Red cards
-
- Posts: 2126
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 7:57 am
- Been Liked: 895 times
- Has Liked: 134 times
Red cards
The games gone soft. Both yellow At best.
Re: Red cards
Correct, perhaps 30 years ago
-
- Posts: 2165
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 11:31 am
- Been Liked: 771 times
- Has Liked: 10082 times
Re: Red cards
Utter b*ll*cks.
Re: Red cards
An elbow to the head is a yellow card?
Are you sure?
Are you sure?
This user liked this post: Juan Tanamera
-
- Posts: 5829
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 12:38 pm
- Been Liked: 2491 times
- Has Liked: 1477 times
- Location: On the high seas chasing Pirates
Re: Red cards
Both red in my opinion,thought Westwood made a meal of it though.
Re: Red cards
Both definitely reds I’ve just watched it
-
- Posts: 14571
- Joined: Thu Feb 01, 2018 9:55 am
- Been Liked: 3437 times
- Has Liked: 6339 times
Re: Red cards
Bait cast by the usual suspect.
Re: Red cards
Why not grab a few tinnies, round up the lads and head down on the train to the FA headquarters to sort them out?
-
- Posts: 557
- Joined: Mon Oct 08, 2018 3:50 pm
- Been Liked: 132 times
- Has Liked: 152 times
Re: Red cards
Its July 2020 and you have ONLY JUST REALISED "the games gone soft" where have you been for the last 15 years ?
-
- Posts: 4751
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 12:47 pm
- Been Liked: 953 times
- Has Liked: 238 times
Re: Red cards
The second one, he jumped in two footed but pulled out, the first looks worse in slow motion, both harsh IMO.
-
- Posts: 2126
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 7:57 am
- Been Liked: 895 times
- Has Liked: 134 times
Re: Red cards
Westwood made the most of it. Not burnley like. I’m a bit embarrassed
Re: Red cards
How has he made a meal of it ,whacked on the back of the head with an elbowconyoviejo wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:34 pmBoth red in my opinion,thought Westwood made a meal of it though.
Re: Red cards
You big baby.pushpinpussy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:35 pmWestwood made the most of it. Not burnley like. I’m a bit embarrassed
What a fanny.
These 2 users liked this post: Somethingfishy FactualFrank
-
- Posts: 16761
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 9:05 am
- Been Liked: 3775 times
- Has Liked: 7572 times
- Location: Derbyshire
Re: Red cards
Both red.
-
- Posts: 1754
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 12:09 pm
- Been Liked: 445 times
- Has Liked: 187 times
- Location: Manchester
Re: Red cards
Was Kevin the manager at Stamford Bridge last season
-
- Posts: 2126
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 7:57 am
- Been Liked: 895 times
- Has Liked: 134 times
Re: Red cards
Doubt on both reds. Not clear and obvious.
Re: Red cards
First one never a red, no need whatsoever for Westwood to go down like he'd been by Mike Tyson.
This user liked this post: Middle-agedClaret
Re: Red cards
Give it rest! You're not clever or funny!
-
- Posts: 379
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 7:55 pm
- Been Liked: 177 times
- Has Liked: 311 times
- Location: Ribble Valley
- Contact:
Re: Red cards
Deliberate blow to the head with an arm is a red, even if Westwood went down ‘easy’.
The two footed off the ground lunge Is the definition of a red.
This user liked this post: Mayoclaret
Re: Red cards
Well if you don't think either were red
You are definitely soft in the head
Never never were either a yellow
You really are a very sad fellow
This user liked this post: DomBFC1882
-
- Posts: 7410
- Joined: Sun Apr 08, 2018 2:19 am
- Been Liked: 2318 times
- Has Liked: 2174 times
Re: Red cards
The ‘goes down easy’ i disagree with, an elbow in the back of the head actually hurts, probably more than the face (from experience)
-
- Posts: 2126
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 7:57 am
- Been Liked: 895 times
- Has Liked: 134 times
Re: Red cards
talking about sad. How is the shirt and btw if you don't mind me saying you could do with going on a diet unless TV made you look a bit chubbier.
-
- Posts: 7410
- Joined: Sun Apr 08, 2018 2:19 am
- Been Liked: 2318 times
- Has Liked: 2174 times
Re: Red cards
spat my beer out then, was trying to work out what you meantpushpinpussy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 7:30 pmtalking about sad. How is the shirt and btw if you don't mind me saying you could do with going on a diet unless TV made you look a bit chubbier.
Re: Red cards
How can you pull out when you’re airborne?claretandy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:35 pmThe second one, he jumped in two footed but pulled out, the first looks worse in slow motion, both harsh IMO.
Re: Red cards
pushpinpussy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 7:30 pmtalking about sad. How is the shirt and btw if you don't mind me saying you could do with going on a diet unless TV made you look a bit chubbier.
Ooooh you are awful....
But I "don't" like you
Last edited by Bosscat on Sat Jul 18, 2020 7:39 pm, edited 1 time in total.
This user liked this post: Aclaret
-
- Posts: 4476
- Joined: Sat Aug 05, 2017 8:55 pm
- Been Liked: 1160 times
- Has Liked: 182 times
Re: Red cards
2nd one was 2 footed and they’re red end of . First was unlucky imo, Westwood instigated the fracas and the elbow wasn’t “ thrown “ AW then rolls round like he’d been shot
-
- Posts: 1059
- Joined: Sun Jan 24, 2016 7:55 pm
- Been Liked: 332 times
- Has Liked: 1116 times
Re: Red cards
I agree with AlargeClaret. I thought there was no doubt about the second. Westwood was pretty sly and deceitful for the first. IMHO only, of course.
Re: Red cards
He clenched his fist and brought his elbow down, I really don't see where the confusion is. A definite red
-
- Posts: 5543
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 8:05 pm
- Been Liked: 2340 times
- Has Liked: 1405 times
- Location: Costa del Padihamos beach.
Re: Red cards
After the palace debacle maybe SD has said to the players it's what they need to do to actually get a decision. First one was borderline, but a red. My issue is with consistency how can the first one be given as a red but not the one at palace? What's the difference?
-
- Posts: 297
- Joined: Mon Oct 24, 2016 12:41 pm
- Been Liked: 60 times
- Has Liked: 103 times
Re: Red cards
Very little force in the elbow. In real time looked like nothing. Replay made it look far worse. Yellow would have been proportionate but by the letter of the law a red. Westwood made a meal of it and instigated the situation in the first place.
Second one probably a red but it seemed to me his foot bounced up off the ball and then he tried to pull his foot away. He bent his leg as he was sliding. A bit unfortunate but too much force with both feet so probably a red.
Second one probably a red but it seemed to me his foot bounced up off the ball and then he tried to pull his foot away. He bent his leg as he was sliding. A bit unfortunate but too much force with both feet so probably a red.
-
- Posts: 710
- Joined: Wed Jan 20, 2016 9:27 pm
- Been Liked: 133 times
- Has Liked: 114 times
Re: Red cards
Do you mean two seasons ago, with the two reds? That was Craig Pawson.
-
- Posts: 3625
- Joined: Thu Jan 14, 2016 2:03 pm
- Been Liked: 895 times
- Has Liked: 1104 times
- Location: Solihull Geriatric Centre
Re: Red cards
If you are two footed off the ground enough that your foot can bounce up off the ball then it is a straight red every time. Out of control is the definition of that movement. It doesn't have to be intentional or malicious, break a leg or even, theoretically at least, touch the opponent.Flat Stanley wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 9:02 pmSecond one probably a red but it seemed to me his foot bounced up off the ball and then he tried to pull his foot away. He bent his leg as he was sliding. A bit unfortunate but too much force with both feet so probably a red.
-
- Posts: 7410
- Joined: Sun Apr 08, 2018 2:19 am
- Been Liked: 2318 times
- Has Liked: 2174 times
Re: Red cards
I didn’t actually think it was you mate apologies, I only read the early posts on that thread and presumed it was your mate on the wind up as usual.
This user liked this post: Bosscat
-
- Posts: 8145
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 4:30 pm
- Been Liked: 3083 times
- Has Liked: 5064 times
- Location: Catterick N.Yorks
Re: Red cards
First one was very soft, although you can see why he gave it. The second was about as clear as you can get.
-
- Posts: 3554
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 11:15 am
- Been Liked: 1047 times
- Has Liked: 1187 times
- Location: Reading
Re: Red cards
1st offence
Law states
Violent conduct is when a player uses or attempts to use excessive force or brutality against an opponent when not challenging for the ball, or against a team-mate, team official, match official, spectator or any other person, regardless of whether contact is made.
In addition, a player who, when not challenging for the ball, deliberately strikes an opponent or any other person on the head or face with the hand or arm, is guilty of violent conduct unless the force used was negligible.
Verdict red card offence.
Second challenge
Law states
Any player who lunges at an opponent in challenging for the ball from the front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with excessive force or endangers the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play.
Verdict Red card
Law states
Violent conduct is when a player uses or attempts to use excessive force or brutality against an opponent when not challenging for the ball, or against a team-mate, team official, match official, spectator or any other person, regardless of whether contact is made.
In addition, a player who, when not challenging for the ball, deliberately strikes an opponent or any other person on the head or face with the hand or arm, is guilty of violent conduct unless the force used was negligible.
Verdict red card offence.
Second challenge
Law states
Any player who lunges at an opponent in challenging for the ball from the front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with excessive force or endangers the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play.
Verdict Red card
These 5 users liked this post: Bosscat Ashingtonclaret46 Mayoclaret Vino blanco longsidepies
Re: Red cards
When I read the topic of this thread I immediately thought of diamonds and hearts
This user liked this post: Bosscat
Re: Red cards
The game has gone soft unfortunately so by the letter of the law they’re both red cards.
-
- Posts: 18014
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 7:07 pm
- Been Liked: 4074 times
- Has Liked: 1853 times
Re: Red cards
The second one is a red in any league in the world.
100%
100%
-
- Posts: 2594
- Joined: Sat Jan 23, 2016 8:03 pm
- Been Liked: 728 times
- Has Liked: 515 times
- Location: Padiham
Re: Red cards
Norwich Citys chief reporter thinks Westwood stood up and moved his head into Buendias elbow To be fair he is getting told by his own fans on Twitter to change his specs.
-
- Posts: 3554
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 11:15 am
- Been Liked: 1047 times
- Has Liked: 1187 times
- Location: Reading
Re: Red cards
Correct hence why laws are set by ifab to use right across the globe. ConsistencyElectroClaret wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 11:17 pmThe second one is a red in any league in the world.
100%
-
- Posts: 2594
- Joined: Sat Jan 23, 2016 8:03 pm
- Been Liked: 728 times
- Has Liked: 515 times
- Location: Padiham
Re: Red cards
He made sure the ref and VAR at least looked at it. That is at most what he is guilty of. Buendia clearly makes contact with Westwoods head. It wasn't like some we often see where there is no contact and a player rolls around. It is a red whether Westwood reacts or not. There was clear intent in using the elbow and the force he used is irrelevant..he made contact.Middle-agedClaret wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 8:34 pmI agree with AlargeClaret. I thought there was no doubt about the second. Westwood was pretty sly and deceitful for the first. IMHO only, of course.
-
- Posts: 4445
- Joined: Fri Jan 22, 2016 8:20 pm
- Been Liked: 1165 times
- Has Liked: 1301 times
Re: Red cards
Both were red cards, simples. Norwich were naive and frustrated.
-
- Posts: 5367
- Joined: Fri Jan 22, 2016 2:42 pm
- Been Liked: 1904 times
- Has Liked: 1980 times
Re: Red cards
Because of our reputation as a no-nonsense, physically strong side, I'm sure other teams think they have play like Burnley to match our physicality. This leads to our opponents trying to be too physical against us, not understanding that our physicality is related to hard work, strength and organisation.
This user liked this post: Burnley1989
-
- Posts: 7219
- Joined: Sun Jan 17, 2016 6:11 pm
- Been Liked: 2379 times
- Has Liked: 3807 times
- Location: Padiham
Re: Red cards
First one a definite Red. He was very sly and deliberate and knew he had been caught out. I think Ash went down because the point of an elbow just behind the ear is a painful blow.
Second one was reckless and out of control and 3 Burnley players in different positions immediately remonstrating proves the point somewhat.
Second one was reckless and out of control and 3 Burnley players in different positions immediately remonstrating proves the point somewhat.
-
- Posts: 10974
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 9:38 am
- Been Liked: 5188 times
- Has Liked: 804 times
- Location: On top of a pink elephant riding to the Democratic Republic of Congo
Re: Red cards
A bit soft in normal circumstances, but the Premier League isn't normal.
Although any Argie deserves to be sent off, in my abnormal opinion.
Although any Argie deserves to be sent off, in my abnormal opinion.
-
- Posts: 16899
- Joined: Fri Jan 22, 2016 4:37 pm
- Been Liked: 6965 times
- Has Liked: 1484 times
- Location: Leeds
Re: Red cards
The first one was arguably soft. But if you intentionally elbow someone in the head you are asking for trouble, no matter how soft the contact was. I think Westwood’s reaction was OTT, but he’s probably realised by now that to get a decision like that you have to make a point to the referee. Every other team does it.
The second one was a clear red, can’t believe there can be an argument against it. The challenge was reckless, dangerous and out of control.
The second one was a clear red, can’t believe there can be an argument against it. The challenge was reckless, dangerous and out of control.
This user liked this post: longsidepies