Today’s tactics

[Claretnick]

I’m not upset, I’m worried that he needs to begin to come out of his comfort zone and be progressive with his use of shapes, tempo, and personnel to advertise his wares to a bigger audience.

We are 9th in the Premier League, can't finish below 10th, and probably still 3rd in the form league for 2020!!!!
I don't see how it can get much better than this. Why worry just enjoy the moment, let the well paid gaffer and staff (deservedly so) worry about the fine tuning UTC

[dandeclaret]

And I’ve sat through various Nags coaching pathways that stresses the absolute opposite.

The club and current management teams at board and player level have done wonders for the club with the current constraints, I agree.

But you don’t sit back and admire your achievements, you create new opportunities, you develop your product, and you create financial pathways to do this.

It’s a business, this is how businesses are run.

So you believe at 43 I can be the fastest man on the planet?

The reason they say don't put a "glass ceiling on", is so if you shoot for the stars and miss, you'll still be higher than if you set realistic targeted goals. That may work short term, but people soon lose interest in unachievable goals and targets, and then how are you going to motivate them?

[ewanrob]

Something they should have tried about 30 games ago?

Yes indeed, dont think we probed as we should have done...but thought they defended really well.

[boatshed bill]

We are 9th in the Premier League, can't finish below 10th, and probably still 3rd in the form league for 2020!!!!
I don't see how it can get much better than this. Why worry just enjoy the moment, let the well paid gaffer and staff (deservedly so) worry about the fine tuning UTC

I get the feeling from listening to his interviews that SD will not be at Burnley much longer.Whoever comes in will have a massive rebuild to undertake. Sean Dyche has done wonders for Burnley FC., no question, but his squad is getting old and his tactics are a bit tired too.

[ksrclaret]

So glad to see this thread has turned into a "who has the better management jargon" debate. I'll come back and read that bit when I'm struggling to sleep this evening.

As for the tactics, we're simply not used to being the side who are taking the game to the opposition for so long. The players must have been knackered too so anything beyond the autopilot tactics were always going to prove a challenge. I'll gladly take the 3 points gifted to us by the woeful Norwich and move on.

[taio]

I get the feeling from listening to his interviews that SD will not be at Burnley much longer.Whoever comes in will have a massive rebuild to undertake. Sean Dyche has done wonders for Burnley FC., no question, but his squad is getting old and his tactics are a bit tired too.

No, his tactics are entirley right and tailored to our circumstances. And that's not to say we have not subtly adapted how we play because we have. I find it astonishing that people still question it.

[jrgbfc]

Think it would be fair to say having lots of possession and using subtlety to open up a packed defence aren't exactly our strong points.

[boatshed bill]

No, his tactics are entirley right and tailored to our circumstances. And that's not to say we have not subtly adapted how we play because we have. I find it astonishing that people still question it.

We're still better without the ball.

[taio]

We're still better without the ball.

Yes the organisation and shape that Dyche has embedded is brilliant.

[Vegas Claret]

Progress in professional sport is surely measured by results? An improvement on the results trend of the last 3 seasons is to continue to be going above 54 or 55 points.

Why does it matter if "Knackered" (some may argue cohesive, fit, more professionally prepared, well drilled players) players have to play every game? Where is the evidence that a change to a larger squad, with greater rotation would yield better results? Which clubs have done this at a similar level to Burnley with greater results? The changing of that model has cost plenty of clubs, such as Stoke, Middlesborough and Aston Villa, but I don't see the same success stories.

the fact the manager in pretty every interview makes note of not having a choice in having to play the same players would indicate that he, being THE expert, also believes it would be helpful. He also says that the improvements made and required by the club aren't just measured on the pitch.

So again, with respect, I don't think it requires such a black and white definition of success that you are trying to sell

[Stacky_claret]

3 points and Pope still on for golden glove
I will take 3 points a 2-0 win against a 9 man brighton now
Just remember what an unbelievable 2nd half of the season we've actually had
I think we would be in champions league if it started at christmas lol

[dandeclaret]

the fact the manager in pretty every interview makes note of not having a choice in having to play the same players would indicate that he, being THE expert, also believes it would be helpful. He also says that the improvements made and required by the club aren't just measured on the pitch.

So again, with respect, I don't think it requires such a black and white definition of success that you are trying to sell

The manager when faced with a choice, also didn't take it. He doesn't change his front 2 when Jay Rodriguez was his 3rd choice, he didn't change Keane and Mee, when he had Tarkowski as 3rd choice, or Mee and Tarkowski when he had Gibson as 3rd choice.

I read his press conferences as wanting a better calibre of player in the first 11, and to stretch to go to that next level of player, for the first XI, or to invest in youth to give continuity to the first XI in a couple of years, not so that he can change the players, as evidenced in the sentence above.

[ElectroClaret]

I’m not upset, I’m worried that he needs to begin to come out of his comfort zone...

Hells teeth, man we were winning 2-0. Why would you want to come out of a "comfort zone" when we were so comfortable?

[Quickenthetempo]

When we think Bardsley and Pieters were the full backs expected to overlap and provide width you can understand why we didn't play well.

They play as well as they can but they're pretty limited footballers.

[boatshed bill]

Yes the organisation and shape that Dyche has embedded is brilliant.

i'm certainly not disagreeing with that.
My concerns are still valid...ageing squad, reliance on superb goalkeeping performances (Heaton and Pope) very little tactical use of subs.
And I believe anyone coming in when he leaves will struggle.

[taio]

i'm certainly not disagreeing with that.
My concerns are still valid...ageing squad, reliance on superb goalkeeping performances (Heaton and Pope) very little tactical use of subs.
And I believe anyone coming in when he leaves will struggle.

I agree when Dyche leaves we will most likely struggle which tells you what an amazing jobs he's done.

[boatshed bill]

I agree when Dyche leaves we will most likely struggle which tells you what an amazing jobs he's done.

Again, i've not said anything to the contrary.
Do you listen to his interviews? His presence in the media is increasing. I'm of the opinion that he's angling for a better job (if it exists). I'm not convinced that he has so much interest in the development of our younger players, or the long term future of the club in the PL.
Now, I'm perfectly happy to be proved completely wrong... time will tell.

[dandeclaret]

Again, i've not said anything to the contrary.
Do you listen to his interviews? His presence in the media is increasing. I'm of the opinion that he's angling for a better job (if it exists). I'm not convinced that he has so much interest in the development of our younger players, or the long term future of the club in the PL.
Now, I'm perfectly happy to be proved completely wrong... time will tell.

Dwight Mcneill, 5 years in the premier legaue, a new training ground and a category 1 academy, would be a strong start to disproving the notion that he "hasn't so much interest in the development of our younger players, or the long term future of the club in the PL"

[taio]

Again, i've not said anything to the contrary.
Do you listen to his interviews? His presence in the media is increasing. I'm of the opinion that he's angling for a better job (if it exists). I'm not convinced that he has so much interest in the development of our younger players, or the long term future of the club in the PL.
Now, I'm perfectly happy to be proved completely wrong... time will tell.

He was a very strong advocate of significant investment in Gawthopre obviously to the benefit of the younger players and our long term future.

[boatshed bill]

Dwight Mcneill, 5 years in the premier legaue, a new training ground and a category 1 academy, would be a strong start to disproving the notion that he "hasn't so much interest in the development of our younger players, or the long term future of the club in the PL"

I think he had interest in all that, but i only really hear him promoting himself lately.
Like i say, I'm happy to be proved completely wrong.
Dwight McNeil, you have to admit, is an anomaly.

[Colburn_Claret]

I thought the tactics were perfect, and the pace of the game correct. It was our final ball that let us down, the crossing was poor, and when the cross was a good one the finish was poor. Just one of those days, and far better to have it against 9 man Norwich than 11 man Brighton. Two men staying out wide might have helped, but we created chances anyway, just didn't put them away.

[Bfc]

This would have been a good time to give Peaock-Farrell 10 mins of game time, to experience playing in a top flight game. Also to keep Pope in with a better chance of getting the Golden Glove, if he had been taken off.
Unless there's something built into the transfer deal, which gives Leeds a payment, if he made a first team appearance this season.

[CrosspoolClarets]

Do you think we'd have got more than three points if he'd done all that?

It’s nice to show off being a clever so and so to the OP, but if it wasn’t for a wonderful save from Pope after that Bardsley deflection, and an own goal it would have finished 1-1 despite having a 2 man advantage for 45 minutes.

The OP was making a very fair point, we can’t settle for such low standards. Dyche was rightly critical of his side’s creativity today, some criticism of him too for negativity is the right thing to do.

[FactualFrank]

We won 2-0. Have a day off some of you.

[boatshed bill]

This would have been a good time to give Peaock-Farrell 10 mins of game time, to experience playing in a top flight game. Also to keep Pope in with a better chance of getting the Golden Glove, if he had been taken off.
Unless there's something built into the transfer deal, which gives Leeds a payment, if he made a first team appearance this season.

Would that affect Nick Pope's Golden Glove situation?
In fact, had SD chucked a few young players on and we conceded there's plenty on here who would have battered him with vitriol!

[Gordaleman]

Said it in the match thread... Pope.

Give Kev Long the gloves and play a keeper sweeper with 5 up top.

Right, back to footy manager........

Well it would have guaranteed Popey another clean sheet 45 minutes earlier at least.

[Tall Paul]

It’s nice to show off being a clever so and so to the OP, but if it wasn’t for a wonderful save from Pope after that Bardsley deflection, and an own goal it would have finished 1-1 despite having a 2 man advantage for 45 minutes.

The OP was making a very fair point, we can’t settle for such low standards. Dyche was rightly critical of his side’s creativity today, some criticism of him too for negativity is the right thing to do.

Yes you're absolutely right, if it wasn't for things that actually happened, something that didn't happen might have happened instead.

[ElectroClaret]

...if it wasn’t for a wonderful save from Pope after that Bardsley deflection, and an own goal it would have finished 1-1 despite having a 2 man advantage for 45 minutes.

You're choosing to ignore the several cracking saves Krul pulled off, are you?
OK

[ClaretTony]

I love Dyche, I love his management, his media work, the culture he’s created, and so on...

But he’s lacking either the nuts or doesn’t have the ideas to really make decisive changes to affect the game.

Vydra should’ve been on at half time, McNeil and Brady should’ve been TOLD to stay as wide as possible, and he should have pulled one of the full backs and out on a wide player.

He reminds me of the special one

I thought we'd won, I thought we'd won comfortably. I thought we were in total control in the second half. I even thought there wouldn't be critical threads on the board or players being rated 5 out of 10, but there you go, you can never satisfy some fans.

[Danieljwaterhouse]

I thought we'd won, I thought we'd won comfortably. I thought we were in total control in the second half.

We did, we did, we were....

But there’s always the one chance that could’ve equaled it up at 1-0

I think we should’ve gone for the jugular

[ClaretTony]

You're choosing to ignore the several cracking saves Krul pulled off, are you?
OK

Man of the match by a country mile was Krul. Heaven knows what the score would have been without his performance.

[Tall Paul]

We did, we did, we were....

But there’s always the one chance that could’ve equaled it up at 1-0

I think we should’ve gone for the jugular

We had 23 shots. Have we ever had that many in a PL game?

[Danieljwaterhouse]

Hells teeth, man we were winning 2-0. Why would you want to come out of a "comfort zone" when we were so comfortable?

It was an opportunity for a Dyche to flex his management.

[taio]

It was an opportunity for a Dyche to flex his management.

Why on earth would he flex things when we are on such a fabulous run and most people want us to achieve as many points as possible?

[dandeclaret]

You know how frustrating it was for you that we couldn’t break their 2 stubborn, rigid, banks of 4 down.... welcome to the opposition view for 95% of teams in the prem when they play Burnley.

[dougcollins]

At half time the Sky commentator said 'We await the Burnley onslaught'.

Now they are two words I never thought I would hear together.

[boatshed bill]

We had 23 shots. Have we ever had that many in a PL game?

Aston Villa on New Year's Day?

[JimmyRobbo]

Why second guess a professional performance that got us 3 more points?

Some clubs would have gone hell for leather and lost. Our cup loss wasn't all that great with a side that should still have won.

[Tall Paul]

Aston Villa on New Year's Day?

20 in that game.

[dougcollins]

We had 23 shots. Have we ever had that many in a PL game?

That's the bit I didn't understand - surely shooting regularly from outside the box were exactly the wrong tactics in the second half. We don't normally waste the ball like that, why did we choose to do it today?

[ElectroClaret]

It was an opportunity for a Dyche to flex his management.

What the f**k does that even mean?

[Cajun]

For what it's worth, I thought we played quite well today. Obviously we would all have loved us to have netted a bagful against 9 men, and had Wood put away that good close-range chance on his left peg early in the second half Norwich might have folded and we might have got some more. But I thought they defended well, and Krul made some good saves, while at the same time I thought we moved the ball around nicely from wing to wing to stretch them. Unfortunately our crossing was not good for the most part - even the ball in from JBG for the first goal from which Woody scored by turning acrobat.
Would have been easy to switch off and lose focus, but we don't do that.
I've never liked playing against teams when they have a man sent off (i remember being on the horrible 2-1 loss to 9-man Sun'lan at the Turf decades ago) but we did what we needed to do, and despite the injuries etc we are finishing the season in a great position. Hopefuly we can keep the momentum going into next season after the short break. UTC

[Ashingtonclaret46]

Before tonight's game Norwich had made 17094 passes, had average possession of 49.3%, had 404 shots and scored 26 goals and won 5 games.
Bournemouth have made 14124 passes, had average possession of 43.92%, had 365 shots and scored 37 goals and won 8 games.
Brighton have made 17312 passes, had average possessio of 52.06%, had 436 shots and scored 37 goals and won 13 games.
Villa have made 13294 passes, had average possession of 44.67%, had 436 shots and scored 39 goals and won 8 games.
The Clarets have made 12432 passes, had average possession of 41.86%, had 374 shots and scored 42 goals and won 15 games.

So much made of possession and passes made, however, when you watch a team taking 12 passes to move the ball to the halfway line and then turn back to try another 10 to 12 passes to get it into their opponents half it does not make for enjoyment.

[DCWat]

I think we could have done more to break them down and Despite our obvious dominance in the second half, we didn’t do enough to take advantage of the situation.

I’d have liked to have seen us play the two wingers very wide to stretch it a lot more. Much of our play was through the middle. A couple of goals in the second half and we could have given one or two of the youngsters five or ten minutes on the pitch.

All that said, we’ve had a fantastic run of results with a massively depleted team, injuries, departures and players coming back from injury - all in a very short space of time.

They’re probably bloody knackered!

[GodIsADeeJay81]

It was an opportunity for a Dyche to flex his management.

Any chance you could explain what that means?

[nil_desperandum]

This would have been a good time to give Peaock-Farrell 10 mins of game time, to experience playing in a top flight game. Also to keep Pope in with a better chance of getting the Golden Glove, if he had been taken off.

Surely if we had taken Pope off he'd now have one less clean sheet than he now has?
If you can take your keeper off and it counts as a clean sheet then we may as well just play Pope for a couple of minutes against Brighton and he'll win the Golden Glove.

[EarbyClaret]

Not surprised to read some of the comments on this thread - but second half of tonight's game entirely predictable once we scored before the the break - I make that one defeat in 15 (City) or two in 16 (City and Chelsea) - a 15th win of the season, 7th away from home, 4th win since the restart - all without conceding, a goalkeeper in line for the golden gloves, no yellow cards and no more injuries - struggling to think what more people expect from a squad down to the bare bones and a starting 11 that effectively picks itself

As a professional there to do a job under those circumstances tonight was the perfect performance and result - what we are achieving at the moment - given our operating conditions - is quite phenomenal

[TsarBomba]

The season is drawing to a close.

There’ll be a very limited rest period and pre-season before we get back into it again, and we have a lot of players coming back from injury.

And we’re playing every four days in heat that players will not be accustomed to.

Have a day off. Enjoy it while it lasts. UTC.

[Dyched]

I agree to a point. But 3 points will always be 3 points overall and the difference between 9th and 10th will matter little to the fans, but it could be significant to the club. And like I say, SD is often pretty clueless once the first whistle blows, so it wasn't such a shock.

Few posters have said the same over the past few weeks. The way I see it is. Give one of them 5/6/7 games. If he performs well you’ve got a squad player for next season. If he continues doing well you’ve got another young lad worth far more than 2/3 places higher in the table.

[Im_not_Robbie_Blake]

When we think Bardsley and Pieters were the full backs expected to overlap and provide width you can understand why we didn't play well.

They play as well as they can but they're pretty limited footballers.

Pieters was the 'go to' player who set up our best attacks and had good shots at goal too! He varied his distribution really cleverly. In my opinion was motm.