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Posted: **Mon Sep 28, 2020 9:13 pm**

What day does the window slam shut?

Posted: **Mon Sep 28, 2020 9:19 pm**

How is this even news? It was reported 2 days about we had bid £12 + 4 million, but it was too low because Liverpool were looking for 15 up front. Move on.

Posted: **Mon Sep 28, 2020 9:29 pm**

I’ll take Wilson. In fact I’ll take anyone at this point

And he’s probably one with a really high ceiling, especially given his goal scoring, but I worry about his work rate. Not exactly a typical Dyche player, is he?

Would still prefer Buendia or Cantwell at Norwich. Both dropped last week so look like they’re leaving. Buendia in particular is a true grafter and much more in the Dyche mould in my opinion.

Posted: **Mon Sep 28, 2020 10:16 pm**

Tick tock

https://countingdownto.com/?c=3239403

Just saying

Posted: **Mon Sep 28, 2020 11:07 pm**

If Leicester are genuinely offering £40M for Tarks then we should do the deal.
Its galling it has been left this long into the window as it's been mooted since last summer. Had we had that money to spend earlier, we might well be in a much less precarious position and indeed picked up points in our opening pair of games.

But let's not forget the Ben Mee effect. He brings the best out of any right sided centre half. Question is...do we now need two of them? I thought Steve Cook was older than he is and haven't studied his game enough to judge - he's played a lot of PL matches though over the past 5 seasons...4 of which have been successful. I like Scott Dann personally but he is older than I thought and does miss games through injury....

Maybe Cook AND Dawson...which gives us cover at right back too (knowing that Lowts and Bards are both OOC next year)

I guess that's how it is for Burnley. Chris Boden called this a few days ago and likened Tarkowski's attitude to that of Jason Shackell when he went back to Derby (and was quite back-handed in how he pushed for a move). It didn't turn out too well for Shackell....I'm sure it will be different for Tarks. He's the finest centre half I have seen in 40 years watching Burnley and I wish him well, even though the sore toe nonsense is a very disappointing way for things to end. Watching Leicester rip City apart yesterday you can see why he would want the move....its a much better scenario than him going to West Ham in my book.

The issue now is how hard clubs will negotiate for their players knowing we have a bit of cash. Cook, Dawson and Wilson might still make an acceptable window I guess ?

Posted: **Mon Sep 28, 2020 11:15 pm**

What ever happened to the Chairmans line about finishing each window stronger than we started it ?

Posted: **Mon Sep 28, 2020 11:59 pm**

Time Toe go now. Let us get on with our recruitment and climb the table.

Posted: **Tue Sep 29, 2020 12:14 am**

Cubanclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 28, 2020 11:07 pm
I guess that's how it is for Burnley. Chris Boden called this a few days ago and likened Tarkowski's attitude to that of Jason Shackell when he went back to Derby (and was quite back-handed in how he pushed for a move). It didn't turn out too well for Shackell....I'm sure it will be different for Tarks. He's the finest centre half I have seen in 40 years watching Burnley and I wish him well, even though the sore toe nonsense is a very disappointing way for things to end.

Let's not act like tarks is wrong about how he's going about it because we were all celebrating the way he came to us. He's a good player but our setup makes him look way better than he is. I'd have dunk or Keane ahead of him.

Posted: **Tue Sep 29, 2020 12:19 am**

Some of us weren't impressed with how he csme here.

Posted: **Tue Sep 29, 2020 12:21 am**

CFS wrote: ↑
Tue Sep 29, 2020 12:14 am
Let's not act like tarks is wrong about how he's going about it because we were all celebrating the way he came to us. He's a good player but our setup makes him look way better than he is. I'd have dunk or Keane ahead of him.

I wouldn't

Posted: **Tue Sep 29, 2020 12:39 am**

Cubanclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 28, 2020 11:07 pm
If Leicester are genuinely offering £40M for Tarks then we should do the deal.
Its galling it has been left this long into the window as it's been mooted since last summer. Had we had that money to spend earlier, we might well be in a much less precarious position and indeed picked up points in our opening pair of games.

But let's not forget the Ben Mee effect. He brings the best out of any right sided centre half. Question is...do we now need two of them? I thought Steve Cook was older than he is and haven't studied his game enough to judge - he's played a lot of PL matches though over the past 5 seasons...4 of which have been successful. I like Scott Dann personally but he is older than I thought and does miss games through injury....

Maybe Cook AND Dawson...which gives us cover at right back too (knowing that Lowts and Bards are both OOC next year)

I guess that's how it is for Burnley. Chris Boden called this a few days ago and likened Tarkowski's attitude to that of Jason Shackell when he went back to Derby (and was quite back-handed in how he pushed for a move). It didn't turn out too well for Shackell....I'm sure it will be different for Tarks. He's the finest centre half I have seen in 40 years watching Burnley and I wish him well, even though the sore toe nonsense is a very disappointing way for things to end. Watching Leicester rip City apart yesterday you can see why he would want the move....its a much better scenario than him going to West Ham in my book.

The issue now is how hard clubs will negotiate for their players knowing we have a bit of cash. Cook, Dawson and Wilson might still make an acceptable window I guess ?

Steve Davies was different class !!!!!

Posted: **Tue Sep 29, 2020 12:50 am**

Cubanclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 28, 2020 11:07 pm

I'm sure it will be different for Tarks. He's the finest centre half I have seen in 40 years watching Burnley and I wish him well, even though the sore toe nonsense is a very disappointing way for things to end.

You haven't seen that VVD bloke at Liverpool then?

Posted: **Tue Sep 29, 2020 3:15 am**

HunterST_BFC wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 28, 2020 10:16 pm
Tick tock

https://countingdownto.com/?c=3239403

Just saying

It's probably good for us that we can still buy from the championship or lower until.the 15th. Will give us time to bring in Dawson or similar.

Posted: **Tue Sep 29, 2020 4:53 am**

everyone is assuming Tarks is pushing for a move, it could just as easily be the club saying to him "you aren't playing because we are gonna get 40 million for you and we can't risk it".

He's been top notch for us, and has made us a LOAD of money in doing so - if he does go to LCFC he's going to a big progressive club and will no doubt walk into the England set up - I for one thank him and wish him well

Posted: **Tue Sep 29, 2020 6:13 am**

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑
Tue Sep 29, 2020 4:53 am
everyone is assuming Tarks is pushing for a move, it could just as easily be the club saying to him "you aren't playing because we are gonna get 40 million for you and we can't risk it".

He's been top notch for us, and has made us a LOAD of money in doing so - if he does go to LCFC he's going to a big progressive club and will no doubt walk into the England set up - I for one thank him and wish him well

I highly doubt it. If that were the case they would have just kept with the same story.

It's turned from him having a toe injury and probably being available Vs Millwall to the latest from Dyche which is 'He said to me it’s not serious, but it is sore, that’s the way that one is'.

So either that's what Dyche was told some time ago or it's a recent update. If it was the club protecting him then it would have been a clear cut injury with no return date from day 1.

So it's either a real injury, or it's Tarkowski's agent protecting the possibility of a transfer. Since he did the same before he came to us and openly lied about it to Brentford fans it becomes a lot more suspicious to me. What comes around goes around.

Not taking anything away from what he's done for the club and I don't begrudge him a move. I'd love to think he wouldn't do a Brentford to us but I know there's no loyalty in football. Of course I'm still hoping it's a legit injury but it makes no sense it will be the club protecting the potential transfer. Not only because of the points I have made above, but also because given our squad size we won't want to sell him unless we get a silly bid and we're not going to get a silly bid unless it's Manchester United in for him or similar.

Posted: **Tue Sep 29, 2020 6:50 am**

randomclaret2 wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 28, 2020 11:15 pm
What ever happened to the Chairmans line about finishing each window stronger than we started it ?

Depends what the chairman meant by "stronger"

One window our only business was to get rid of Vokes and bring in 37 year old Peter Crouch from the championship.... on a free

MG doesnt say very much, but the little he does say isnt usually factual shall we say.

Posted: **Tue Sep 29, 2020 7:07 am**

I'm sure we are going to see a lot of similar links today regarding this, but the one that counts is when CT puts his report up.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footb ... owski.html

Posted: **Tue Sep 29, 2020 7:14 am**

Note that the article says "in the coming days" as the date for the transfer window closing edges ever closer leaving us less time to bring in a replacement and for any further squad strengthening.

Posted: **Tue Sep 29, 2020 7:38 am**

kenyon6923 wrote: ↑
Tue Sep 29, 2020 12:39 am
Steve Davies was different class !!!!!

Do you really think that Steve Davis was a better centre half than Tarkowski?

Posted: **Tue Sep 29, 2020 7:50 am**

I still find it staggering that our club agreed to a 27.5% sell on, fantastic business by Brentford...it would appear we are like lambs to the slaughter when it comes to transfers.

Posted: **Tue Sep 29, 2020 7:53 am**

ewanrob wrote: ↑
Tue Sep 29, 2020 7:50 am
I still find it staggering that our club agreed to a 27.5% sell on, fantastic business by Brentford...it would appear we are like lambs to the slaughter when it comes to transfers.

It probably kept the initial outlay down.
Perhaps we only got him so cheap in the first place was because of the hefty signing on fee.

Also oldham had a sell on fee too, so Brentford needed to make sure their eventual cut was decent after Oldham took theirs.

Posted: **Tue Sep 29, 2020 7:56 am**

When Brentford signed Ollie Watkins from Exeter City for circa £1.5m the sell-on fee agreed was only 15%.

Posted: **Tue Sep 29, 2020 7:59 am**

ewanrob wrote: ↑
Tue Sep 29, 2020 7:50 am
I still find it staggering that our club agreed to a 27.5% sell on, fantastic business by Brentford...it would appear we are like lambs to the slaughter when it comes to transfers.

Someone else said something similar recently and when I asked him a question he got all upset and started crying maybe you could answer this..

Do you wish we had paid around 3m for Gibson with a large sell on fee or the higher fee that we did ?

Posted: **Tue Sep 29, 2020 8:06 am**

I would love for all of us doubters, including myself, to be proved wrong and that it is a genuine injury to Tarks and that he stays but even I have to admit it's looking unlikely. But if he does go and not play for us again then the toe injury will have been an excuse and an insult to every supporter of the club.

Posted: **Tue Sep 29, 2020 8:06 am**

With regards to Gibson it was just an unfortunate signing and we were just happy to get shot and cut our losses the best way we could find. We still haven't signed a replacement and Toekowski is rumoured to be on his way soon.

Posted: **Tue Sep 29, 2020 8:09 am**

What would happen to Brentford's cut of the transfer if we simply exchanged Tarkowski for say three Leicester players with no actual money involved?

Posted: **Tue Sep 29, 2020 8:13 am**

Even with the sell on fee we will come out of it with a nice profit if he goes. I'm starting to look more on the positive side now as I'm fed up with all the speculation. If we clear 30m from the transfer this will fund Wilson, a new centre back and possibly Christie from Celtic. Those three players might prove more beneficial than Tarks playing again, more importantly we need Mee back.

Posted: **Tue Sep 29, 2020 8:16 am**

mkmel wrote: ↑
Tue Sep 29, 2020 8:09 am
What would happen to Brentford's cut of the transfer if we simply exchanged Tarkowski for say three Leicester players with no actual money involved?

You value the players, and give them a cut of the total value.
I'm sure you could try and get round it by valuing the 3 players at 5m each, however with west ham and Leicester already offering 30m, you leave yourself open to an investigation I'm sure..

I seem to recall when we sold Mears and Eagles to Boltin we valued Mears high and Eagles low, to lessen the amount in sell on fee we owed to Man Utd.

On a side note, when Oldham were skint the other season Brentford bought out any future sell on fee ( teported 200k ) that sell on fee if Taelrky went for 40m, would now have netted them around 2m+... and how the could do with thst right now

Posted: **Tue Sep 29, 2020 8:25 am**

All this talk about not backing Dyche, we are only 1 winger away from a full squad. Dyche is the one who has built an ageing squad.

Posted: **Tue Sep 29, 2020 8:31 am**

We only have 13 fit and available senior players with 7 still out injured and that's if you include Tarkowski amongst our injured players

So how do you make that we are only one player short of a full squad?

Posted: **Tue Sep 29, 2020 8:36 am**

mkmel wrote: ↑
Tue Sep 29, 2020 8:31 am
We only have 13 fit and available senior players with 7 still out injured and that's if you include Tarkowski amongst our injured players

So how do you make that we are only one player short of a full squad?

we cant just buy people as people are injured, we arent man city. course the injured players count in the squad.

Posted: **Tue Sep 29, 2020 8:37 am**

claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑
Tue Sep 29, 2020 7:59 am
Someone else said something similar recently and when I asked him a question he got all upset and started crying maybe you could answer this..

Do you wish we had paid around 3m for Gibson with a large sell on fee or the higher fee that we did ?

You can throw in anything you want into the equation, doesnt get away from the fact that just short of 30% is
Very good business on Brentfords side.

Posted: **Tue Sep 29, 2020 8:41 am**

£37M + Demarai Gray? Even if on a season loan

https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/spor ... er-4557335

Posted: **Tue Sep 29, 2020 8:44 am**

ewanrob wrote: ↑
Tue Sep 29, 2020 8:37 am
You can throw in anything you want into the equation, doesnt get away from the fact that just short of 30% is
Very good business on Brentfords side.

Didn't say it wasn't good business by them, would you say that it was also good business by us to get him for around 3m and spend 4 season in the Prem ?

Will ask you again though, do you wish we had piad 3m for Gibson with a large sell on fee, it isn't that hard it is either a yes or a no

Posted: **Tue Sep 29, 2020 8:49 am**

mkmel wrote: ↑
Tue Sep 29, 2020 8:41 am
£37 + Demarai Gray?

https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/spor ... er-4557335

Can't see Gray wanting to come to BFC

Only chances we will have will be the likes of Albrighton, Amartey and/or Morgan

Beggars can't be choosers - and we are certainly beggars

Posted: **Tue Sep 29, 2020 8:50 am**

Granny WeatherWax wrote: ↑
Tue Sep 29, 2020 8:25 am
All this talk about not backing Dyche, we are only 1 winger away from a full squad. Dyche is the one who has built an ageing squad.

A CH and a winger short. Two centre halves short if Tarks goes. Still think we need a creative midfielder too.

Posted: **Tue Sep 29, 2020 8:53 am**

ewanrob wrote: ↑
Tue Sep 29, 2020 7:50 am
I still find it staggering that our club agreed to a 27.5% sell on, fantastic business by Brentford...it would appear we are like lambs to the slaughter when it comes to transfers.

Really....how on earth do you expect to do business...Tarks was an absolute steal. Brentford knew how good he was and how good he could become...as did we. It was a brilliant deal on which we will likely make a profit of at least 30m.

Posted: **Tue Sep 29, 2020 8:55 am**

claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑
Tue Sep 29, 2020 8:44 am

Will ask you again though, do you wish we had piad 3m for Gibson with a large sell on fee, it isn't that hard it is either a yes or a no

Perhaps

Posted: **Tue Sep 29, 2020 8:56 am**

2 Bee Holed wrote: ↑
Tue Sep 29, 2020 8:55 am
Perhaps

Cheating

Posted: **Tue Sep 29, 2020 8:56 am**

Granny WeatherWax wrote: ↑
Tue Sep 29, 2020 8:36 am
we cant just buy people as people are injured, we arent man city. course the injured players count in the squad.

If Tarkowski goes to Leicester and then even if the 6 injured players come back very soon and we buy no players that will still only leave us with 19 senior players. So not just the one player short of a full squad like you suggested

Posted: **Tue Sep 29, 2020 8:57 am**

BenWickes wrote: ↑
Tue Sep 29, 2020 8:50 am
A CH and a winger short. Two centre halves short if Tarks goes. Still think we need a creative midfielder too.

i said a winger.

we have 4 senior centre halves, would you prefer to develop Dunne or sign someone like Dann?

Posted: **Tue Sep 29, 2020 8:59 am**

mkmel wrote: ↑
Tue Sep 29, 2020 8:56 am
If Tarkowski goes to Leicester and then even if the 6 injured players come back very soon that will still only leave us with 19 senior players. So not just the one player short of a full squad like you suggested

Tarks is still here.

When everyone is fit we have

3 keepers
4 full backs
4 centre halves
3 wingers
4 centre mids
4 strikers

so i make that 22. - at least 2 players for every position except on the wing.

Posted: **Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:04 am**

The other problem is that we have players within the squad who, on past history, are very unlikely to play a full season without spending weeks/months on the treatment table. Brady and JBG spring to mind.

Posted: **Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:04 am**

claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑
Tue Sep 29, 2020 8:44 am
Didn't say it wasn't good business by them, would you say that it was also good business by us to get him for around 3m and spend 4 season in the Prem ?

Will ask you again though, do you wish we had piad 3m for Gibson with a large sell on fee, it isn't that hard it is either a yes or a no

Yes, Gibson was never worth 16 million the club panicked.

Posted: **Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:05 am**

FactualFrank wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 28, 2020 12:30 am
As your parents were on it full time, I'll take your word!

How old are you. You will be telling me your dad is bigger next

I was actually referring to the guy who thought he was writing sonnets, but obviously went way over your head.

Posted: **Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:06 am**

ewanrob wrote: ↑
Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:04 am
Yes, Gibson was never worth 16 million the club panicked.

Thought so.

When we sign a player cheap with a sell on fee and he does brilliant for us we have had our pants down due to the sell on fee.

When we sign a player for a larger fee with no sell on and it doesn't work out we have had our pants down due to panicking.

Posted: **Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:08 am**

claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑
Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:06 am
Thought so.

When we sign a player cheap with a sell on fee and he does brilliant for us we have had our pants down due to the sell on fee.

When we sign a player for a larger fee with no sell on and it doesn't work out we have had our pants down due to panicking.

Think Gibson at the time was a good purchase. We just didn't know it would turn out like it did.

Posted: **Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:10 am**

claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑
Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:06 am
Thought so.

When we sign a player cheap with a sell on fee and he does brilliant for us we have had our pants down due to the sell on fee.

When we sign a player for a larger fee with no sell on and it doesn't work out we have had our pants down due to panicking.

I suspect ewanrob thinks irony means made of iron.

Posted: **Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:11 am**

mkmel wrote: ↑
Tue Sep 29, 2020 8:09 am
What would happen to Brentford's cut of the transfer if we simply exchanged Tarkowski for say three Leicester players with no actual money involved?

You’d imagine these deals will be worded by very clever lawyers who anticipate that situation, and, as Macca says below, the West Ham bid rejections will provide limited scope for any funny business. You’d expect to be subject to an FA investigation and legal action breach of contract if you did something so unethical.

That said, given West Ham’s offers seem so far below our valuation, there’s probably some room to play with on reciprocal transfers/loans that Brentford may deem too difficult to pursue.

I don’t begrudge Brentford the cash. Man United was different

Structuring deals with big sell on fees is one possible solution to our lack of cash/unwillingness to spend. I am quite surprised we agreed to a flat 27.5% though. I’d structure sell-on fees so it reduced each year until it’s ultimately very low. Let’s say we signed Wilson for a fair price this summer, I’d quite happily pay Liverpool a 50% sell on fee next window if he had a stormer and Leicester offered £50m, but that should reduce to something much lower the longer he stays here, the more opportunity we give him & the greater influence our staff have on his development.

Posted: **Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:13 am**

Granny WeatherWax wrote: ↑
Tue Sep 29, 2020 8:57 am
i said a winger.

we have 4 senior centre halves, would you prefer to develop Dunne or sign someone like Dann?

I'd rather bring in one back up and loan Dunne to a Championship club for more experience. Do not feel comfortable at all having Dunne and Long as our only back up and definitely not as regular starters.

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