In 50 years time where will SD figure in burnley history ?

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In 50 years time where will SD figure in burnley history ?

Post by s6t9a2f3f » Tue Jul 21, 2020 4:44 pm

Would he be a Jimmy Mac type status or lower ?

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Re: In 50 years time where will SD figure in burnley history ?

Post by RalphCoatesComb » Tue Jul 21, 2020 4:52 pm

No one will replace Jimmy Mc, EVER ! But, in the manager stakes, SD will be right up there with Harry Potts and Jimmy Mullen.

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Re: In 50 years time where will SD figure in burnley history ?

Post by BenWickes » Tue Jul 21, 2020 5:01 pm

He'll be second only to just retired Sir Dwight McNeil. Recently knighted by King George VII.
After a successful career winning the World Cup twice and the European Championships three times. McNeil guided Burnley to 13 Premier League titles, seven times runners up, 4 Champions League trophies and 3 losing finalist medals. 6 FA Cup wins and 4 League Cup wins in his 25 year managerial career.
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Post by Zom Zom » Tue Jul 21, 2020 5:05 pm

He should have a job for life, so if he's not dead in 50 years, he should be still in charge :-)
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Post by cricketfieldclarets » Tue Jul 21, 2020 5:06 pm

If he left today he would still be held in very high regrad - probably one of our top ten most important figures ever at this club.

If he has the same relative success over the next 8 years - i.e. makes the same amount of progress as he has since he joined, he will no doubted be our greatest ever!

Its unlikely he will still be here in 8 years. And to have the same level of improvement and success in that time will be even less likely. But we can dream.

If he 'only' won the league cup or FA Cup he would be a god.

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Post by Culmclaret » Tue Jul 21, 2020 5:08 pm

This will be seen as a Golden Age for the Clarets. Not quite as Golden as the years wound WW1 or the 50s/60s but a great era nonetheless. I would say Haworth, Potts and Dyche will be regarded as our greatest three managers
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Re: In 50 years time where will SD figure in burnley history ?

Post by Colburn_Claret » Tue Jul 21, 2020 5:44 pm

Unless someone is coming along to win us the European Cup in the future, I think he will be top of the tree.
Even if we maintain our status when SD eventually calls it a day, he will still be the man who made it all possible.
History will probably embellish the reality even more to the point where SD is held in sainthood status.

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Post by claptrappers_union » Tue Jul 21, 2020 6:08 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 5:06 pm
If he 'only' won the league cup or FA Cup he would be a god.
That's the only thing not cementing his legacy at Turf Moor and I think his national reputation on a whole. I'd take an FA Cup Final defeat or even a Semi-final. I know we've drawn Man City a couple of times, but I just wish he'd take the cup competitions more seriously, even the League Cup.
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Post by AfloatinClaret » Tue Jul 21, 2020 6:34 pm

RalphCoatesComb wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 4:52 pm
No one will replace Jimmy Mc, EVER!...
Sorry to disappoint, but come 2070 there'll be nobody left who ever watched him play, so Forum discussions/arguments will be between the youngsters raving about Burnley's current players/manager and those wrinklies who're young enough now saying: "Ah, but nobody will replace Sean Dyche EVER!"

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Post by Chester Perry » Tue Jul 21, 2020 6:51 pm

AfloatinClaret wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 6:34 pm
Sorry to disappoint, but come 2070 there'll be nobody left who ever watched him play, so Forum discussions/arguments will be between the youngsters raving about Burnley's current players/manager and those wrinklies who're young enough now saying: "Ah, but nobody will replace Sean Dyche EVER!"
no but they will be plenty of us who grew up knowing people who did watch Jimmy Mc and have been reminded since that no player has come close - we know that our own reference points haven't come up to scratch so there are plenty who will still espouse the current view

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Post by Devils_Advocate » Tue Jul 21, 2020 6:59 pm

In the fullness of time both Coyle and Howe will get the credit they deserve alongside Dyche for this amazing period in the history of Burnley FC.

Dyche will of course rightly be remembered as the best of the three
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Post by cricketfieldclarets » Tue Jul 21, 2020 7:06 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 6:59 pm
In the fullness of time both Coyle and Howe will get the credit they deserve alongside Dyche for this amazing period in the history of Burnley FC.

Dyche will of course rightly be remembered as the best of the three
Correct.

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Post by cricketfieldclarets » Tue Jul 21, 2020 7:06 pm

claptrappers_union wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 6:08 pm
That's the only thing not cementing his legacy at Turf Moor and I think his national reputation on a whole. I'd take an FA Cup Final defeat or even a Semi-final. I know we've drawn Man City a couple of times, but I just wish he'd take the cup competitions more seriously, even the League Cup.
Absolutely agree.

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Post by Longsidelenny1882 » Tue Jul 21, 2020 7:25 pm

As Tina turner sang simply the best utc

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Post by bfcjg » Tue Jul 21, 2020 7:35 pm

I'll be dead so who gives one ? 😀

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Re: In 50 years time where will SD figure in burnley history ?

Post by RalphCoatesComb » Tue Jul 21, 2020 7:59 pm

bfcjg wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 7:35 pm
I'll be dead so who gives one ?
Always the optimist :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post by UnderSeige » Tue Jul 21, 2020 9:31 pm

It would be good if he could win something. He already has a Championship Champions title under his belt. Perhaps he could add a cup to it? This would cement his success in the records.

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Post by ClaretTony » Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:56 pm

Culmclaret wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 5:08 pm
This will be seen as a Golden Age for the Clarets. Not quite as Golden as the years wound WW1 or the 50s/60s but a great era nonetheless. I would say Haworth, Potts and Dyche will be regarded as our greatest three managers
And I don't think anyone comes even close to them
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Post by Bfcboyo » Wed Jul 22, 2020 7:05 am

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Post by mdd2 » Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:21 am

In answer to the title of this thread he will appear as
Sean Dyche
Managerial career
Watford 2011-12
Burnley 2012-2022 (missing out on being the longest serving current premier league manager)
Followed by Another 2020-2022

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Post by mikeS » Wed Jul 22, 2020 11:12 am

Will I be able to take a jet pack into Turf Moor in 50 years time?

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Post by FCBurnley » Wed Jul 22, 2020 11:53 am

What Sean Dyche has done for Burnley FC is truly remarkable. When I moved to Florida in 2008 I never thought I would ever see Burnley in the PL in my lifetime. Now I can watch every game live on tv and we are recognized and respected as a club worldwide. We are just about to have our second top half finish in the last 3 seasons. Our training facilities rank up there with the best. We have money in the bank. Thank you Sean

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Post by JTClaret » Wed Jul 22, 2020 2:39 pm

As a great... although he will be remembered for unattractive, effective football.
Allardyce had Bolton in Europe, and can have a team playing decent football at times, but people know what he is known for and it's basically the same thing as Dyche and Burnley.

He's at statue status for me whatever happens. Though I hope he is given the ability to be some real quality over the next couple of years... that and we don't sink when the time comes that he leaves.

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Post by dpinsussex » Wed Jul 22, 2020 2:45 pm

Culmclaret wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 5:08 pm
I would say Haworth, Potts and Dyche will be regarded as our greatest three managers
Not Brian Laws then??

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Post by Hipper » Wed Jul 22, 2020 3:23 pm

FCBurnley wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 11:53 am
What Sean Dyche has done for Burnley FC is truly remarkable. When I moved to Florida in 2008 I never thought I would ever see Burnley in the PL in my lifetime. Now I can watch every game live on tv and we are recognized and respected as a club worldwide. We are just about to have our second top half finish in the last 3 seasons. Our training facilities rank up there with the best. We have money in the bank. Thank you Sean
I'm not convinced he will be highly regarded in fifty years time. He's won nothing in the top league at Burnley and he's likely to win nothing in the top league here as he's not interested in the cups and they don't now have such importance anyway.

I'm not saying he hasn't been successful in the current circumstances but in history most don't look at comparative success but real achievements. Apart from our club historians, what Burnley manager of fifty or more years ago can the average Burnley fan name that won nothing? Alan Brown is the only one I can think of, and that was because it's claimed by some that he set up the side that Potts had success with.

Incidentally, bearing in mind the incidents at Norwich, I quote this from Wiki/Alan Brown:

In 1954, Brown returned once more to Burnley when he was appointed as manager. His arrival back at the club was not well received by some of the senior players at Burnley who were unhappy in anticipation of being managed by such a figure of moral integrity. Undeterred by the potential backlash, Brown set about instilling in the club the same values of integrity, hard work and honesty that he held dear.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Brow ... to_Burnley

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Post by NottsClaret » Wed Jul 22, 2020 3:32 pm

Hipper wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 3:23 pm
I'm not convinced he will be highly regarded in fifty years time. He's won nothing in the top league at Burnley and he's likely to win nothing in the top league here as he's not interested in the cups and they don't now have such importance anyway.
You set a high bar Hipper, I like it.

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Post by Cirrus_Minor » Wed Jul 22, 2020 3:51 pm

There are links (albeit tenuous) from Alan Brown to Sean Dyche.

Brown left Burnley to manage Sunderland during which time they employed Brian Clough. Clough took up coaching at an early age due to his career ending injury, he has apparently said that he was influenced by Brown during this period.

Clough later managed Nottingham Forest which Dyche was a player. Dyche has claimed that Clough was an influence on his career.
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Post by Colburn_Claret » Wed Jul 22, 2020 3:58 pm

JTClaret wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 2:39 pm
As a great... although he will be remembered for unattractive, effective football.
Allardyce had Bolton in Europe, and can have a team playing decent football at times, but people know what he is known for and it's basically the same thing as Dyche and Burnley.

He's at statue status for me whatever happens. Though I hope he is given the ability to be some real quality over the next couple of years... that and we don't sink when the time comes that he leaves.
If you look at the team Allardyce had at Bolton, you can look at the reason they are where they are today. It was never sustainable. We all want that team playing fancy football, but not at the price Bolton paid.

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Post by Colburn_Claret » Wed Jul 22, 2020 4:03 pm

Hipper wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 3:23 pm
I'm not convinced he will be highly regarded in fifty years time. He's won nothing in the top league at Burnley and he's likely to win nothing in the top league here as he's not interested in the cups and they don't now have such importance anyway.

I'm not saying he hasn't been successful in the current circumstances but in history most don't look at comparative success but real achievements. Apart from our club historians, what Burnley manager of fifty or more years ago can the average Burnley fan name that won nothing? Alan Brown is the only one I can think of, and that was because it's claimed by some that he set up the side that Potts had success with.

Incidentally, bearing in mind the incidents at Norwich, I quote this from Wiki/Alan Brown:

In 1954, Brown returned once more to Burnley when he was appointed as manager. His arrival back at the club was not well received by some of the senior players at Burnley who were unhappy in anticipation of being managed by such a figure of moral integrity. Undeterred by the potential backlash, Brown set about instilling in the club the same values of integrity, hard work and honesty that he held dear.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Brow ... to_Burnley
Not dissing anything Brown achieved, but he did it in an era of the maximum wage. The playing field was a lot leveller, and nobody imagined oil sheiks, Russian oligarchs or American billionaires.
I don't think it requires SD to achieve more than he has already , to justify his legend status at Burnley.

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Post by FCBurnley » Wed Jul 22, 2020 4:22 pm

People say that Dyche teams dont play good Football. I think Dyche gets the best from the players he has. Give him the Chelsea or Liverpool squads and he would do very well. Give him the Everton squad and they would finish above us.Something they and their big money managers have failed to do in 2 of the last 3 seasons.

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Post by JTClaret » Thu Jul 23, 2020 7:41 pm

Colburn_Claret wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 3:58 pm
If you look at the team Allardyce had at Bolton, you can look at the reason they are where they are today. It was never sustainable. We all want that team playing fancy football, but not at the price Bolton paid.
My point was more the he didn't just play 'effective' football and that it is forgotten about when he did play fancy football, regardless of the future it lead to. I fear Dyche will always fall into the same bracket and struggle to shake the tag.

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Post by tiger76 » Thu Jul 23, 2020 8:06 pm

Sean will go down as one of the great names in our history, how big a footnote he plays in our history will largely depend on what occurs when he finally leaves, if we plummet rapidly down the leagues, then his influence will grow in importance, however if we remain at the top table for several years after he goes, then he'll diminish in standing.

Of course as has been eluded too if he could win a major trophy during his tenure, then his name will live forever in our folklore.

But unless we achieve unprecedented success post his departure, his era will figure high in BFC history, 2nd only to the Harry Potts days.

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Post by bodge » Thu Jul 23, 2020 8:24 pm

Colburn is correct above in that you have to put his achievements into context regarding the financial playing field he's operating in.

This season we will finish above Everton, Newcastle, Villa and West Ham again.

That's right AGAIN and it's this word that is testimony to the mindblowing transformation in our fortunes.

We may finish above Arsenal and that thought was unfeasible when i was watching us in the 80's and 90's.

It's not about should there be a statue, it's where it's put and when it's commissioned that are the real questions for debate.
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Post by tiger76 » Thu Jul 23, 2020 8:38 pm

bodge wrote:
Thu Jul 23, 2020 8:24 pm
Colburn is correct above in that you have to put his achievements into context regarding the financial playing field he's operating in.

This season we will finish above Everton, Newcastle, Villa and West Ham again.

That's right AGAIN and it's this word that is testimony to the mindblowing transformation in our fortunes.

We may finish above Arsenal and that thought was unfeasible when i was watching us in the 80's and 90's.

It's not about should there be a statue, it's where it's put and when it's commissioned that are the real questions for debate.
You raise a fair point, and we're definitely punching above our weight, arguably in a way we didn't in the 1960's, yes we were a small town club, but in that era it was a much more open league, and we could compete to a certain extent on transfer fees, and even wages against the big city clubs, that just isn't possible in this day and age, also we had a great scouting network, and a conveyor belt of youth, to replace our stars when they were inevitably sold on.

The 4 clubs you mention have record transfer fees of £45m, £40m, £22m and £45m, and that's just on 1 player, they also have many that they've paid handsome fees for, and yet were regularly finishing above them in recent seasons, yes we'd all like to win the PL, but in reality we're doing as well as we can with the available resources.

I've no doubt Sean will get a statue erected eventually, where it's erected is a :?: that's still to be answered.

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Post by CrosspoolClarets » Thu Jul 23, 2020 8:56 pm

As an optimist, I’d like to think that we would spend most of the next 50 years in this league and Sean’s time would be viewed by our grandchildren as a mere pub quiz question with no great legendary status, most fans not knowing who he was but older fans remind them he built those initial foundations.

Safe to say in that scenario Howe and Coyle wouldn’t be remembered at all.

I’m not a fan of the economic argument that small town clubs will eventually all struggle. Bar the huge global elite it seems to still be a game of musical chairs, otherwise big clubs like Forest wouldn’t have struggled for 20 years. Let’s hope our next 5 managers are as good or even better.

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Post by gandhisflipflop » Thu Jul 23, 2020 9:37 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Thu Jul 23, 2020 8:38 pm
You raise a fair point, and we're definitely punching above our weight, arguably in a way we didn't in the 1960's, yes we were a small town club, but in that era it was a much more open league, and we could compete to a certain extent on transfer fees, and even wages against the big city clubs, that just isn't possible in this day and age, also we had a great scouting network, and a conveyor belt of youth, to replace our stars when they were inevitably sold on.

The 4 clubs you mention have record transfer fees of £45m, £40m, £22m and £45m, and that's just on 1 player, they also have many that they've paid handsome fees for, and yet were regularly finishing above them in recent seasons, yes we'd all like to win the PL, but in reality we're doing as well as we can with the available resources.

I've no doubt Sean will get a statue erected eventually, where it's erected is a :?: that's still to be answered.
I'd have it where the old bandstand was in the town centre. Or part of the restoration project in the town centre if that's still going ahead.

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Post by Dyched » Thu Jul 23, 2020 9:44 pm

Depending what happens he’ll be by far the biggest name/legend in our history.

Why?

What players from 1890-1950 are still talked about? Hardly any. All those that saw Jimmy Mc etc will no longer be here, their children no longer here. Stories stop being passed down.

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Post by boatshed bill » Thu Jul 23, 2020 9:59 pm

Harry Potts has a road named after him, he will be remembered forever.

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