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Hows that not a penalty

Post by paulatky » Sun Jul 26, 2020 4:10 pm

Anywhere else on the pitch and its given
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Re: Norwich score

Post by TommyJohnson » Sun Jul 26, 2020 4:10 pm

Offside lol

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Re: Norwich score

Post by randomclaret2 » Sun Jul 26, 2020 4:10 pm

Ruled out

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Re: Hows that not a penalty

Post by TommyJohnson » Sun Jul 26, 2020 4:33 pm

Edited the header and post because you made yourself look a d1ck hahaha

And it wasn't a penalty Jay created the contact....

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Re: Hows that not a penalty

Post by what_no_pies » Sun Jul 26, 2020 5:06 pm

Jay puts his body inbetween ball and man and takes the contact. Aguero does that they talk about clever play and it's a guaranteed free kick of a midfielder does it. I'm not sure I agree it should be a foul but the norm these days is to give those. No consistency.
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Re: Hows that not a penalty

Post by Rileybobs » Sun Jul 26, 2020 6:29 pm

Stonewall penalty. The top players win these penalties week in, week out. Tragic that a decision like that is reviewed and still not overturned.

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Re: Hows that not a penalty

Post by Woodleyclaret » Sun Jul 26, 2020 6:29 pm

Stonewall penalty but it's SuperJonny Moss so its disallowed

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Re: Hows that not a penalty

Post by Vino blanco » Sun Jul 26, 2020 6:31 pm

If fatty Moss saw that at Old Trafford, Anfield, Emirates, Etihad etc, it's a penalty for the home team, no doubt about it.
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Re: Hows that not a penalty

Post by DAVETHEVICAR » Sun Jul 26, 2020 6:35 pm

He should have looked at pitch side TV
Again it would have taken him 20 minutes to get there.
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Re: Hows that not a penalty

Post by bfcjg » Sun Jul 26, 2020 6:37 pm

Penalty for me.

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Re: Hows that not a penalty

Post by Devils_Advocate » Sun Jul 26, 2020 6:40 pm

"People who frequently see bias against their team are biased." - FACT
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Re: Hows that not a penalty

Post by NewClaret » Sun Jul 26, 2020 6:41 pm

Penalty.

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Re: Hows that not a penalty

Post by jojomk1 » Sun Jul 26, 2020 6:46 pm

Jamie Vardy gets them for the same trick (and it is a trick)

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Re: Hows that not a penalty

Post by Grumps » Sun Jul 26, 2020 6:48 pm

TommyJohnson wrote:
Sun Jul 26, 2020 4:33 pm
Edited the header and post because you made yourself look a d1ck hahaha

And it wasn't a penalty Jay created the contact....
Might have been his wife protecting him :lol:

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Re: Hows that not a penalty

Post by Rileybobs » Sun Jul 26, 2020 6:50 pm

jojomk1 wrote:
Sun Jul 26, 2020 6:46 pm
Jamie Vardy gets them for the same trick (and it is a trick)
To be fair, Vardy actually sticks his leg out to initiate the contact. Rodriguez just got his body between man and ball to get a shot away without the defender being able to put a tackle in. Clumsy defending, took him out from behind, blatant penalty and as no attempt was made to play the ball there would have been a case for a red card, although that would have been harsh.
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Re: Hows that not a penalty

Post by superdimitri » Sun Jul 26, 2020 6:51 pm

Jay played for the penalty and in my eyes that immediately means it shouldn't be a pen. Just needs some consistency when against us too.

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Re: Hows that not a penalty

Post by MT03ALG » Sun Jul 26, 2020 7:22 pm

Blatant penalty but it was Burnley not Man U. I assume the VAR Man was junior to Moss...

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Re: Hows that not a penalty

Post by MT03ALG » Sun Jul 26, 2020 8:02 pm

VAR Official was Darren Bond !! He dare NOT overrule Jon Moss !! And the assistant VAR Official was Dan Robathan! Who the hell is he?!

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Re: Hows that not a penalty

Post by Ashingtonclaret46 » Sun Jul 26, 2020 8:52 pm

superdimitri wrote:
Sun Jul 26, 2020 6:51 pm
Jay played for the penalty and in my eyes that immediately means it shouldn't be a pen. Just needs some consistency when against us too.
He did exactly what Murray did for them a couple of seasons ago ---guess what ----he got a penalty!

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Re: Hows that not a penalty

Post by what_no_pies » Sun Jul 26, 2020 8:58 pm

MT03ALG wrote:
Sun Jul 26, 2020 8:02 pm
VAR Official was Darren Bond !! He dare NOT overrule Jon Moss !! And the assistant VAR Official was Dan Robathan! Who the hell is he?!
'Robathan' was the VAR ref - how appropriate.

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Re: Hows that not a penalty

Post by superdimitri » Sun Jul 26, 2020 9:02 pm

Ashingtonclaret46 wrote:
Sun Jul 26, 2020 8:52 pm
He did exactly what Murray did for them a couple of seasons ago ---guess what ----he got a penalty!
Oh yeah, no denying. But if the consistency starts with this I won't have any complaint.

Of course it won't, but I can see why it wasn't given.

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Re: Hows that not a penalty

Post by CrosspoolClarets » Sun Jul 26, 2020 9:06 pm

A definate penalty but with Moss you never know. The VAR ref didn’t overturn it because the ref didn’t miss anything obvious. If Moss had called it, VAR would have allowed the pen.

The Gudmundsson one I can see why it was disallowed even if the keeper wasn’t getting there.

A real shame, especially given the penalty claim today, that the one was given in added time against Wolves back in August (a far less likely pen), without which today would have been to win to get into Europe (if Arsenal lose the cup final). It shows how seasons change based on one or two dubious penalty decisions.

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Re: Hows that not a penalty

Post by UnderSeige » Sun Jul 26, 2020 9:34 pm

VAR is spoiling the game. I think it was invented by the Daleks to exterminate the pleasure of watching football.

One of the great highlights of a football game is to cheer a goal going in. Now, when the goal goes in the back of the net, you don't know whether to cheer or wait for VAR - and then cheer the VAR result. I've even heard fans chanting VAR VAR.

I would prefer it to be that the referees initial decision (unless the linesman is flagging) is final. In that way, if he gets it wrong we can all take pleasure in booing the referee.

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Re: Hows that not a penalty

Post by Vegas Claret » Sun Jul 26, 2020 9:37 pm

Dyche thought is was a pen, Dyche thought the ball was out of play for the Brighton winner

**** VAR

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Re: Hows that not a penalty

Post by Devils_Advocate » Sun Jul 26, 2020 9:45 pm

It was invented because most football fans have a natural bias that leads them to think the decisions that go against them are because the refs were either incompetent or favour the other teams

As fans are still biased then the introduction of VAR has just increased peoples unhinged view that the refs (plus a new additional one) are even more incompetent and more favouring of the other teams than before.

Not only that but the cost to this is that our game has been slowed down and made a lot more robotic removing some of the great spontaneity and excitement.

If people would have just accepted that refs have an impossible job and are honest people doing their best and also had some self awareness of their own bias we could have carried on withou the need for VAR

I said before that all VAR would do is shift peoples blame from the ref to the VAR official and that is what has happened.

All of you on here who constantly whinge about refs, think all the decisions are against us and also hate VAR then im afraid you are the problem and only have yourselves to blame

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Re: Hows that not a penalty

Post by Rileybobs » Sun Jul 26, 2020 9:49 pm

No complaints with our disallowed goal. 100% the correct decision even if the keeper wouldn’t have made the save.

I’m convinced that VAR reviews are eating into playing time though. 5 minutes added at the end of the second half. I reckon there would have been 4 minutes anyway due to the goal celebration, injuries and substitution. When you add a minute on for the drinks break there doesn’t seem to be any time added on for the two VAR reviews which took around a minute each.

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Re: Hows that not a penalty

Post by dpinsussex » Sun Jul 26, 2020 9:51 pm

Was an interesting decision.

My gut instinct was to point to the spot from the camera angle I had. There was contact, Jay was clever and made sure body in the way. Smart attacking play.

The question is, how much contact, did that contact make him fall to the ground.

Would I as a burnley fan expect the decision- yes
Would I, should I be an oppo fan expect decision- would be gutted.

If i was refereeing the game I would want to be absolutely clear cut that it was significant contact and not sure I would be absolutely convinced in this incident.
I appreciate this would create negative opinion from one side and positive from the other.
This really is a marmite decision from a referees perspective

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Re: Hows that not a penalty

Post by Rileybobs » Sun Jul 26, 2020 9:57 pm

dpinsussex wrote:
Sun Jul 26, 2020 9:51 pm
Was an interesting decision.

My gut instinct was to point to the spot from the camera angle I had. There was contact, Jay was clever and made sure body in the way. Smart attacking play.

The question is, how much contact, did that contact make him fall to the ground.

Would I as a burnley fan expect the decision- yes
Would I, should I be an oppo fan expect decision- would be gutted.

If i was refereeing the game I would want to be absolutely clear cut that it was significant contact and not sure I would be absolutely convinced in this incident.
I appreciate this would create negative opinion from one side and positive from the other.
This really is a marmite decision from a referees perspective
That’s fair enough, but Rodriguez loves a shot. He doesn’t take our penalties. He got his body in the way to make sure that the only way the defender could get the ball would be to foul him, which he did. He had no reason to go down when presented with a very score-able opportunity.

I’d like to say I was amazed that it wasn’t given when reviewed, but to be honest I wasn’t.

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Re: Hows that not a penalty

Post by Taffy on the wing » Sun Jul 26, 2020 10:06 pm

superdimitri wrote:
Sun Jul 26, 2020 6:51 pm
Jay played for the penalty and in my eyes that immediately means it shouldn't be a pen. Just needs some consistency when against us too.
You should change your user name to Mary Contrary!
Definite Penalty.

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Re: Hows that not a penalty

Post by ClaretTony » Sun Jul 26, 2020 10:14 pm

Vino blanco wrote:
Sun Jul 26, 2020 6:31 pm
If fatty Moss saw that at Old Trafford, Anfield, Emirates, Etihad etc, it's a penalty for the home team, no doubt about it.
Can't agree with you on that, if he saw that for the home team at those grounds he'd give them a second penalty to add to it
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Re: Hows that not a penalty

Post by Ashingtonclaret46 » Sun Jul 26, 2020 10:25 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Sun Jul 26, 2020 9:45 pm
It was invented because most football fans have a natural bias that leads them to think the decisions that go against them are because the refs were either incompetent or favour the other teams

As fans are still biased then the introduction of VAR has just increased peoples unhinged view that the refs (plus a new additional one) are even more incompetent and more favouring of the other teams than before.

Not only that but the cost to this is that our game has been slowed down and made a lot more robotic removing some of the great spontaneity and excitement.

If people would have just accepted that refs have an impossible job and are honest people doing their best and also had some self awareness of their own bias we could have carried on withou the need for VAR

I said before that all VAR would do is shift peoples blame from the ref to the VAR official and that is what has happened.

All of you on here who constantly whinge about refs, think all the decisions are against us and also hate VAR then im afraid you are the problem and only have yourselves to blame

"People who frequently see bias against their team are biased."
Don't put the blame on British fans, PL, FA or even the British media ----VAR was introduced by FIFA because they consider that it is the way forward to ensure that every decision is 100% correct. These are the people responsible for Wolrd football ---- quite frightening isn't it?
Never mind, there will be plenty more things to come to spoil the enjoyment of what was once a smashing game.
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Re: Hows that not a penalty

Post by levraiclaret » Sun Jul 26, 2020 10:31 pm

John Moss LUFC hates:
1. Man Utd;
2. Burnley;
3. Sheff Wed;
4. HTFC;
5. Sheff Utd

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Re: Hows that not a penalty

Post by RalphCoatesComb » Sun Jul 26, 2020 11:00 pm

When the penalty was awarded for Lacazette (Arsenal) it was obvious that the foul on Jay Rod was almost identical.

PENALTY all day long.

Fatty Moss does it again!

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Re: Hows that not a penalty

Post by ClaretMov » Mon Jul 27, 2020 8:07 am

Look at Brighton's first goal and at the top of the screen when the replay is shown on mot and a Brighton player is off side

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Re: Hows that not a penalty

Post by CharlieinNewMexico » Mon Jul 27, 2020 9:13 am

ClaretMov wrote:
Mon Jul 27, 2020 8:07 am
Look at Brighton's first goal and at the top of the screen when the replay is shown on mot and a Brighton player is off side
Haven’t seen it but surely not interfering as the Brighton lad wellied it in from 30 yards?

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Re: Hows that not a penalty

Post by Rileybobs » Mon Jul 27, 2020 9:17 am

ClaretMov wrote:
Mon Jul 27, 2020 8:07 am
Look at Brighton's first goal and at the top of the screen when the replay is shown on mot and a Brighton player is off side
Not interfering with play though.

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Re: Hows that not a penalty

Post by dpinsussex » Mon Jul 27, 2020 9:42 am

Is the player on the line interfering?

I can absolutely see why the goal was chalked off. The interesting bit was there appeared to be no reaction at all from Brighton players and most notably the Brighton keeper.

I know as part of my prematch instruction (which obviously VAR wouldn't be proxy to) is explaining what I want in exactly that situation.

If the ball hits the back of the net and nobody complains get on with it. Its what the game expects.

If the keeper goes mental, I want my AR to raise his flag. I can then go over and provide him with the other piece of information in order to get the correct decision. Easy sell for an offside at that point.

The lack of reaction and the awarding of the goal suggests that was also in the referees pre.match instruction. The game expected the goal to be given.
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Re: Hows that not a penalty

Post by ClaretMov » Mon Jul 27, 2020 10:10 am

Rileybobs wrote:
Mon Jul 27, 2020 9:17 am
Not interfering with play though.
You can also say a player on the pitch in the eyes view of the keeper in the box is interfering with play because he's a distraction

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Re: Hows that not a penalty

Post by Rileybobs » Mon Jul 27, 2020 10:20 am

ClaretMov wrote:
Mon Jul 27, 2020 10:10 am
You can also say a player on the pitch in the eyes view of the keeper in the box is interfering with play because he's a distraction
You can say that but that’s not how the offside law is applied.

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Re: Hows that not a penalty

Post by boatshed bill » Mon Jul 27, 2020 10:27 am

For our disallowed headed goal, their keeper is holding JBG. Goal or penalty for me.

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Re: Hows that not a penalty

Post by Ric_C » Mon Jul 27, 2020 10:29 am

Surely the fact the keeper had NO chance of ever saving that shot should be a factor on whether JBG was interfering. He was basically stopping the keeper from picking the ball out of the net three seconds earlier. A terrible terrible decision.

Also for the Jay Rod penalty shout, you just KNOW, that if that's Martial at Old Trafford or Lacazette at the Emirates, or Aguero at the Ethihad, he just points to the spot, with a little shake of the head to say "cmon I had no choice!"

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Re: Hows that not a penalty

Post by Dougall » Mon Jul 27, 2020 10:45 am

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Sun Jul 26, 2020 9:45 pm
It was invented because most football fans have a natural bias that leads them to think the decisions that go against them are because the refs were either incompetent or favour the other teams

As fans are still biased then the introduction of VAR has just increased peoples unhinged view that the refs (plus a new additional one) are even more incompetent and more favouring of the other teams than before.

Not only that but the cost to this is that our game has been slowed down and made a lot more robotic removing some of the great spontaneity and excitement.

If people would have just accepted that refs have an impossible job and are honest people doing their best and also had some self awareness of their own bias we could have carried on withou the need for VAR

I said before that all VAR would do is shift peoples blame from the ref to the VAR official and that is what has happened.

All of you on here who constantly whinge about refs, think all the decisions are against us and also hate VAR then im afraid you are the problem and only have yourselves to blame

"People who frequently see bias against their team are biased."
There's quite a lot of truth in this, but long before Burnley got back into the top flight, it was apparent to me that there was a very clear (probably unconscious) trend of decisions going against Barnsley, Bradford, Bolton, even them down the road (and I certainly have no innate bias in their favour!).
And one of the things that was very noticeable in the 09/10 season from my seat (where you can hear some of what's said on the pitch) was that referees would address the players they knew (presumably from reffing their games for years) by their first names whilst BFC players were addressed as 'Hey - number four!'
I don't think that refs hate Burnley (though as a crowd, we probably don't foster warm relations with refs!), but I do believe that, if that had been Martial,Aguerro, Lacazette - or even Vardy - it actually LOOKS different to the ref. I don't think it's a deliberate thing at all. But that's where VAR should help, and it doesn't appear to!!

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