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Time to offload JBG

Post by TommyJohnson » Mon Jul 27, 2020 11:38 am

Awful yesterday didn't look intetested and looked scared to put a tackle in.

In a team like Burnley playing how we play every single player must be commited to the cause and be prepared to put the body on the line.

Maybe he is scared of getting injured I don't know but if we got rid we could free up wages for a younger wide player who fits the system better(probably on less money)

Also his injury record as we all know is very bad. After so many injuries you are never going to be able to be 100% every game and that's what's needed in a team like ours.

Maybe an unpopular opinion but I think we should let Johan go. I also do think he is a gifted footballer but doesn't fit Burnley and Dyche.

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Re: Time to offload JBG

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Mon Jul 27, 2020 11:39 am

Definitely keep him.

Unfortunate with injuries lately but I don’t think he’s been like that for the rest of his career.

I think he does fit Burnley and Dyche.

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Re: Time to offload JBG

Post by Clarets4me » Mon Jul 27, 2020 11:40 am

Thank you for your letter, the contents of which have been noted .... Balls !
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Re: Time to offload JBG

Post by Woodleyclaret » Mon Jul 27, 2020 11:40 am

Over the past 3 seasons he has created more chances than others for our strikers
Hes not there to track back and tackle hes there to.open up tight defences
Hes been injured for most of this season and Ii for one am happy to see him back.
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Re: Time to offload JBG

Post by ClaretTony » Mon Jul 27, 2020 11:50 am

He still doesn't look fit to me, he needs a break and to come back hopefully fully fit for next season. Remember, this is the player who won our player of the year in 2017/18. I find it quite insulting of him to read that anyone could think he's not interested.
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Re: Time to offload JBG

Post by TVC15 » Mon Jul 27, 2020 11:56 am

Any player who was “not interested” would be shipped out by SD....actually they would probably never start the game.

JBG is just a little low on confidence as any player would be with the injuries he has had this season. He’s also lacking in match sharpness / fitness.
Nobody will be more frustrated than JBG - however much of a concern it is for us fans just think how it is for him when his whole career could be on the line.

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Re: Time to offload JBG

Post by ashtonlongsider » Mon Jul 27, 2020 11:57 am

Personally thought he was our most creative and productive play in the first 20 minutes, but his level dropped significantly and it was no surprise to see him subbed. I like JBG, but stating the obvious, we need to keep him fit. The lad is seriously lacking game time and it showed. All things being equal he could be one of our key players.

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Re: Time to offload JBG

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Mon Jul 27, 2020 12:07 pm

As above. Dyche would never put up with anyone not interested.

He wont be our highest earner and comes up with moments of magic. I would definitely keep him but also look to improve on him.

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Re: Time to offload JBG

Post by Rowls » Mon Jul 27, 2020 12:10 pm

Contributing on here in spite of the silliness of the OP just to say how great it is to see JBG and Brady getting back into contention.

Obviously they're both not at their peak fitness and don't have the razor sharpness we'd like but they're already showing glimpses of the flair and creativity they bring.

If we can get them both to full fitness it will lift the burden of creativity from Dwight and be a boost for the club.
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Re: Time to offload JBG

Post by jdrobbo » Mon Jul 27, 2020 12:16 pm

This thread hurts me a lot. I bloody love JBG and I hope he comes back stronger.
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Re: Time to offload JBG

Post by claretandy » Mon Jul 27, 2020 12:24 pm

We became more disjointed when he was replaced with Brady who was awful IMO.

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Re: Time to offload JBG

Post by CnBtruntru » Mon Jul 27, 2020 12:30 pm

If he could stay fit for a season, I think he is a great asset to have, whether as an impact sub or for 70mins or so from kick off. Mcneil was the woeful one yesterday, bit like an headless chicken running in circles and he is much better than that.

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Re: Time to offload JBG

Post by BOYSIE31 » Mon Jul 27, 2020 12:30 pm

Love him as a player but need him fully fit and hopefully get him signed on a longer contract but hopefully another 1 or maybe 2 wingers due in this summer.

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Re: Time to offload JBG

Post by Ric_C » Mon Jul 27, 2020 12:40 pm

Make or break for him next season, along with Brady. Thought JBG contributed to a pretty lethargic performance yesterday. Although that team must be running on empty with plenty carrying knocks etc, so they can be forgiven :)

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Re: Time to offload JBG

Post by Quickenthetempo » Mon Jul 27, 2020 12:41 pm

He didn't look like he trusted passing to Bardsley yesterday. Which is a big concern.
Bardsley over lapped him and was completely free in a great position but he turned his back on him and crossed it himself.

We need the full back/wideman combination to work

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Re: Time to offload JBG

Post by Ric_C » Mon Jul 27, 2020 12:56 pm

We definitely need some creativity in midfield next season, or at least some good technicians who can drive forward and take pressure off the defence. I shudder to think what would happen if Dwight got injured

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Re: Time to offload JBG

Post by Wile E Coyote » Mon Jul 27, 2020 12:59 pm

All players can have off days, but as mentioned above sean dyche just wouldn't tolerate any player less than 100% committed to the cause.

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Re: Time to offload JBG

Post by warksclaret » Mon Jul 27, 2020 1:00 pm

I can sense the opening post's frustration and watching him in the last few games I so dearly wanted him to re-capture his form as I like him as a footballer. He has huge potential and I think a pre-season and run of games will see him being a threat again to any defense. His work rate is good and possibly the best crosser of a ball we have in terms of accuracy. Definitely one we need to keep. My biggest concern is we have 3 left footed wide men in a current active squad of 15 fit starters. A right sided pacey wide man is definitely a priority

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Re: Time to offload JBG

Post by FactualFrank » Mon Jul 27, 2020 1:00 pm

I'm always more confident when he's on the pitch.
I hope a few weeks off can be the difference in him playing a few games before getting injured again, and playing the majority of games next season.

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Re: Time to offload JBG

Post by Belial » Mon Jul 27, 2020 1:14 pm

He needs more confidence which more game game time will bring

I also don't think we're in a position to offload anyone either at the moment

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Re: Time to offload JBG

Post by Darthlaw » Mon Jul 27, 2020 1:20 pm

The only player who needs to be shown the door at the moment is Mr Gibson.

JBG just needs time to play his way into form, which he has done a few times before. Brady is a different issue, however, who needs games in his correct position. He certainly doesn't fit on the right.

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Re: Time to offload JBG

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Mon Jul 27, 2020 1:23 pm

Not sure at a time when we need players in we should be thinking of getting rid of JBG, he needs game time.

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Re: Time to offload JBG

Post by jrgbfc » Mon Jul 27, 2020 1:30 pm

I definetely wouldn't be rushing to offer him another contract yet. Next season is make or break for his career at Burnley I think.

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Re: Time to offload JBG

Post by Swizzlestick » Mon Jul 27, 2020 1:34 pm

Frustrating because he’s quality when on it - injuries are more and more frequent though. I don’t buy the disinterested assertions at all.

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Re: Time to offload JBG

Post by Sunny Cornwall » Mon Jul 27, 2020 1:39 pm

Our problem yesterday, and most weeks was not JBG but the lack of runners in to advance positions from mid field. The number of times we attacked and the only option was to sling it in to two big strikers with no one else near them. The reason we are more appealing when Vydra plays is because he makes those runs albeit from a more advanced position. Harsh to criticise JBG.

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Re: Time to offload JBG

Post by Cirrus_Minor » Mon Jul 27, 2020 3:13 pm

I agree that he has not looked fully fit. If we had more to choose from I think he may have been given longer to recover.

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Re: Time to offload JBG

Post by FCBurnley » Mon Jul 27, 2020 3:20 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Mon Jul 27, 2020 11:50 am
He still doesn't look fit to me, he needs a break and to come back hopefully fully fit for next season. Remember, this is the player who won our player of the year in 2017/18. I find it quite insulting of him to read that anyone could think he's not interested.
How many more breaks does he need. Both he and Brady have clearly not regained anywhere near full fitness.
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Re: Time to offload JBG

Post by Bigvince » Mon Jul 27, 2020 3:35 pm

They both need game time to be match fit, and probably more time to be “dyche fit”

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Re: Time to offload JBG

Post by FCBurnley » Mon Jul 27, 2020 3:37 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Mon Jul 27, 2020 11:50 am
He still doesn't look fit to me, he needs a break and to come back hopefully fully fit for next season. Remember, this is the player who won our player of the year in 2017/18. I find it quite insulting of him to read that anyone could think he's not interested.
How many more breaks does he need. Both he and Brady have clearly not regained anywhere near full physical or mental fitness. Both great when fully fit but need replacing if unable to fully recover. Sad but that’s how it is at PL level

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Re: Time to offload JBG

Post by ClaretTony » Mon Jul 27, 2020 3:54 pm

FCBurnley wrote:
Mon Jul 27, 2020 3:20 pm
How many more breaks does he need. Both he and Brady have clearly not regained anywhere near full fitness.
They are physically fit but a long way short of the match fitness they need. That will come with the shortened pre-season and into next season.

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Re: Time to offload JBG

Post by houseboy » Mon Jul 27, 2020 4:02 pm

I find the phrase (which crops up on here fairly regularly) 'free up wages' fairly odd. Free up for what exactly? Does anyone seriously believe for instance that we could get anyone anywhere near as good as JBG for less or even the same money? We are not, as a club, in anywhere near the position of losing quality players, however injury prone, just now. What we really need is to be ADDING to the wage bill by bringing in more players of decent quality to cover for injuries, bring pressure to bear on existing players etc. We don't need/can't get world class players but we have proved we don't need that, we just need players who have the required amount of skill and the attitiude that Dyche needs to get the most out of what we do have. JBG,by the way, is arguably one of the best players we have, albeit a bit unlucky with injuries, and to suggest it may be time for him to go is, to me, a tad wrong.

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Re: Time to offload JBG

Post by tiger76 » Mon Jul 27, 2020 4:20 pm

JBG'S biggest problem is staying fit, if he could get a run of games he's more than capable of playing a big part next season, blimey it was only last week he got an assist for heavens sake, i do think it's a make or break season for him next time though, he's ooc in 2021, and unless he shows that he's capable of stringing a good number of appearances together, then we might have to consider letting him go sadly.

When he and Brady are fit and on form they're more than worthy of a 1st team place, but neither have been fit much over the last few seasons alas.

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Re: Time to offload JBG

Post by warksclaret » Mon Jul 27, 2020 4:20 pm

Definitely need competition for places in midfield. If they were all fit now it would be McNeil/Cork/Westwood/Brownhill. All four have an off day for two games and its still the same four. Cannot think of one other PL side where there is no competition to get into the midfield. An ordinary side like Brighton yesterday had a number of options and used them fully. They even took off their first goal scorer at one point who had a great game

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Re: Time to offload JBG

Post by Im_not_Robbie_Blake » Mon Jul 27, 2020 4:33 pm

'Offload' - sounds like selling a slave! Disgusting word to use.

A fine player, who never lets us down and approaching his peak!

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Re: Time to offload JBG

Post by Vino blanco » Mon Jul 27, 2020 4:36 pm

The OP is playing silly billies, nothing more nothing less.

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Re: Time to offload JBG

Post by jojomk1 » Mon Jul 27, 2020 4:43 pm

I see Brownhill and JBG as our preferences for wide right next season - don't forget this guy has also come in with some very important goals over the years
My worry is Brady, who looks way off the pace and almost disinterested - would like to see him used as a bargaining tool (sell or exchange) for another wide left player

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Re: Time to offload JBG

Post by TommyJohnson » Tue Jul 28, 2020 3:57 am

Rowls wrote:
Mon Jul 27, 2020 12:10 pm
Contributing on here in spite of the silliness of the OP just to say how great it is to see JBG and Brady getting back into contention.

Obviously they're both not at their peak fitness and don't have the razor sharpness we'd like but they're already showing glimpses of the flair and creativity they bring.

If we can get them both to full fitness it will lift the burden of creativity from Dwight and be a boost for the club.
Flair and creativity 8-) :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Time to offload JBG

Post by Vegas Claret » Tue Jul 28, 2020 4:00 am

we need to add to the squad not make it smaller

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Re: Time to offload JBG

Post by TommyJohnson » Tue Jul 28, 2020 4:31 am

Vino blanco wrote:
Mon Jul 27, 2020 4:36 pm
The OP is playing silly billies, nothing more nothing less.
Wow ? So you think we should waste our limited resources on a never fit winger who doesn't fit the system ?


I'll give him 3 games of the new season before he's on the treatment table.

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Re: Time to offload JBG

Post by BenWickes » Tue Jul 28, 2020 5:57 am

TommyJohnson wrote:
Tue Jul 28, 2020 4:31 am


I'll give him 3 games of the new season before he's on the treatment table.
Very generous of you. When match fit. He's our most consistent player on the right hand side. Bearing in mind he's been out injured and we're down to the bare bones. He was probably used earlier than SD would have liked. Match fitness is totally different to physical fitness. Give him a break. A few pre-season friendlies will help him iron that out considerably. In any case. It takes even the fit players a few competitive games to reach the level they'd like to be at. Hence why you see a few misplaced passes, sluggish performances and unusual results in early league games.

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Re: Time to offload JBG

Post by superdimitri » Tue Jul 28, 2020 6:03 am

Can't say I agree with the OP but hes entitled to his opinion. A lot of forum police here that seem to misunderstand the purpose of a discussion forum.

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Re: Time to offload JBG

Post by BenWickes » Tue Jul 28, 2020 6:40 am

jojomk1 wrote:
Mon Jul 27, 2020 4:43 pm
I see Brownhill and JBG as our preferences for wide right next season - don't forget this guy has also come in with some very important goals over the years
My worry is Brady, who looks way off the pace and almost disinterested - would like to see him used as a bargaining tool (sell or exchange) for another wide left player
I'd be very worried if wide right wasn't deemed an urgent priority this window. I like JBG but we do need competition at the very least in that position. I sincerely hope SD isn't pinning his hopes on Brownhill playing on the right. He should be fighting for a midfield place, not pigeon holed into a position where, even though he's performed admirably; is not his best or favoured position.

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Re: Time to offload JBG

Post by dougcollins » Tue Jul 28, 2020 10:02 pm

BenWickes wrote:
Tue Jul 28, 2020 6:40 am
I'd be very worried if wide right wasn't deemed an urgent priority this window. I like JBG but we do need competition at the very least in that position. I sincerely hope SD isn't pinning his hopes on Brownhill playing on the right. He should be fighting for a midfield place, not pigeon holed into a position where, even though he's performed admirably; is not his best or favoured position.


Do you remember a guy called Jeff Hendrick?

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Re: Time to offload JBG

Post by Quickenthetempo » Tue Jul 28, 2020 10:06 pm

BenWickes wrote:
Tue Jul 28, 2020 6:40 am
I'd be very worried if wide right wasn't deemed an urgent priority this window. I like JBG but we do need competition at the very least in that position. I sincerely hope SD isn't pinning his hopes on Brownhill playing on the right. He should be fighting for a midfield place, not pigeon holed into a position where, even though he's performed admirably; is not his best or favoured position.
Brownhill would be fine on the right hand side of midfield if we got a decent over lapping right back, same with the left footed JBG to be fair.

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Re: Time to offload JBG

Post by warksclaret » Tue Jul 28, 2020 10:28 pm

It would be very interesting to see how many goals have come from balls delivered from the left, as opposed to the right. I suspect it will be significantly more from the left. I can recall a number of assists coming from Dwights left foot, and Pieters has had a number of assists, particularly in the early season, then of course Taylor has chipped in with assists. I know JBG cut in with his left and delivered a pin point cross to Wood v Norwich, but I dont recall many more from the right. We have played Hendrick and Bardsley for quite a few games on the right-neither of them were adept at over lapping and getting a telling cross in to the two front men

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Re: Time to offload JBG

Post by BenWickes » Wed Jul 29, 2020 5:22 am

Quickenthetempo wrote:
Tue Jul 28, 2020 10:06 pm
Brownhill would be fine on the right hand side of midfield if we got a decent over lapping right back, same with the left footed JBG to be fair.
As I said. He's performed admirably. We do need some creativity on the right. Be it a winger or overlapping RB. Take your point on JBG. He does tend to cut inside to cross, as you say he is predominantly left footed.

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Re: Time to offload JBG

Post by BenWickes » Wed Jul 29, 2020 5:26 am

dougcollins wrote:
Tue Jul 28, 2020 10:02 pm
Do you remember a guy called Jeff Hendrick?
I do and he was another one who performed there admirably. Still not his best position and left us one sided. Not Hendrick's fault but we did and do lack creativity and pace down the right. I'm not knocking the players asked to play there. Just stating the bleeding obvious to everyone. We need some creativity and pace down the right.
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Re: Time to offload JBG

Post by boatshed bill » Wed Jul 29, 2020 9:15 am

Not offload, he's still a useful squad member, but we do need another player in his position...an upgrade.

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