Madeleine McCann

[Zlatan]

Oooh if it’s offending time I think most of you are a bunch of twunts...

[Darnhill Claret]

My bad. Of course it was Chief Ironside. Confusion of wheelchairs.

[fidelcastro]

Wonderful things smartphones with autocorrect aren’t they ?

You’ve probably got a stonnar now.. shame you can’t use it.

Don't blame the phone for your idiocy!

Incidentally, I posted on the Ben Mee thread that I remember some clown on here claiming that our captain was no better than league one standard...

I've just remembered that clown was you!

I don't suppose that will come as a great surprise to anyone who has seen your back catalogue though!

[TheFamilyCat]

Don't blame the phone for your idiocy!

Incidentally, I posted on the Ben Mee thread that I remember some clown on here claiming that our captain was no better than league one standard...

I've just remembered that clown was you!

I don't suppose that will come as a great surprise to anyone who has seen your back catalogue though!

Don't mention David Jones.

[Bosscat]

Oooh if it’s offending time I think most of you are a bunch of twunts...

Bunch of Twunts

[Right_winger]

Don't blame the phone for your idiocy!

Incidentally, I posted on the Ben Mee thread that I remember some clown on here claiming that our captain was no better than league one standard...

I've just remembered that clown was you!

I don't suppose that will come as a great surprise to anyone who has seen your back catalogue though!

Oh look someone who thinks they are morally superior but when they cannot articulate their opinion they change to the scatter gun approach. What has an opinion on A Ben Mee thread got to do with this thread?

If you want to try an attack my character then feel free to do it in person. See how brave you are then.

[Bosscat]

Can you guys hold on for a bit need to prepare some more pop-corn

[fidelcastro]

Oh look someone who thinks they are morally superior but when they cannot articulate their opinion they change to the scatter gun approach. What has an opinion on A Ben Mee thread got to do with this thread?

If you want to try an attack my character then feel free to do it in person. See how brave you are then.

In all honesty, I don't need to attack your character.

Anyone reading this can see how unhinged you are.

[Right_winger]

In all honesty, I don't need to attack your character.

Anyone reading this can see how unhinged you are.

Good for you. You know fine well your opinion is equivalent to the part of the anatomy which you clearly lack.

[fidelcastro]

Good for you. You know fine well your opinion is equivalent to the part of the anatomy which you clearly lack.

Which isn't my brain, unlike your good self.

Have a nice night, dear.

[Steve1956]

Can you guys hold on for a bit need to prepare some more pop-corn

Can i share it with you ive eaten all my supplies of popcorn reading miggins holiday thread?

[Bosscat]

Can i share it with you ive eaten all my supplies of popcorn reading miggins holiday thread?

Is the Paperboy still up would have thought with his early start he would be in bed now with his Beano under the covers with a torch

[Untinted Glasses]

Tell me which scenario sounds more absurd.

1. A young girl was abducted from her apartment by a stranger who has a sexual interest in children, due to the parents being at best careless or complacent and, at worst negligent.

2. The parents killed their own daughter for reasons best known to themselves and then casually went for dinner as a cover up story, thus fooling the world's media and the police for 13 years.

It's interesting that even our most lurid tabloids aren’t offering scenario 2, or anything resembling it, as a possible explanation, at least not anymore.

Like you say ther'e scenarios, choose which you ike but dont call the others "conspiracy theories", like I say there just different opinions thats all.

[Darnhill Claret]

Just to add to conspiracy theories that have been mentioned. We still seem to throw in the ‘class thing’. Some have suggested that the McCann parents have been given an easy ride because they are a ‘professional couple’. That’s right, historically can’t think of any medical people, medical professionals, or financially well off people ever charged with any offences or ever found guilty in a court of law. Working class criminals only.

[dsr]

You forgot option 3. The parents accidentally killed Madeline through an overdose of a sleeping drug and have worked to cover up their mistake ever since..

Option 3 is the most likely given all the information available.

So what you are saying is that Mr McCann went back to the apartment and found his daughter dead, he then:

1. Attempted to resuscitate her and failed.
2. Grieved.
3. Went and told his wife while none of the other people round the table noticed anything amiss.
4. His wife saw the body - perhaps she didn't try resuscitation, so saved a bit of time there.
5. they had a discussion on what to do and decided to hide the body.
6. remembered this foolproof hiding place they had spotted earlier which the police would never find.
7. one of them, on foot, carried the body to the foolproof hiding place.
8. walked back.
9. while the other one went back to the table to avoid suspicion.
10. they raised the alarm.

All within 1 hour. And you think that is more likely than a stranger hanging round a family resort looking for a child to kill?

[Jakubclaret]

Nailed it. However, a lot of people are unable to admit they're wrong and actually not smarter than everybody else. I'm sure the police could find Maddie's remains in that allotment they're currently digging up in Germany and some on here would still twist whatever fantastical theory they're clinging to in order to incriminate the parents.

We’ll see what transpires in due course, by hook or crook you can bet your bottom dollar somebody somewhere will be the fall guy, that much money as been thrown at it & other resources & with the media spotlight & the desperation to completely vindicate the McCanns it’s a certainty eventually something will happen, I’m just glad I wasn’t within a 100 miles radius of the Portuguese resort in 2007.

[Quicknick]

Are you saying that it would have been impossible for a stranger who had been casing the area for weeks to find a hiding place for the body, but a distraught couple who didn't know the area and hadn't got a car could do it in an hour?

Edit: see below.

[Quicknick]

It wasn’t the first night she’d been left alone though. Quite plausible someone spotted the trend, followed their behaviour and took a chance. Especially in what was known to be a family resort.

In fact that’s far more plausible than the McCann’s being responsible for the death and being able to conceal the evidence and the body in a foreign resort they’d not previously visited.

They had been there before, hadn't they? I'm quite probably wrong here. I'll check.

Edit: Tried to find out but can't.

[Bfcboyo]

There is a lady who lives near us who has been letting her daughter out from the age of 3 then with her brother 8 supervising her . This isn't on the same road it's a couple of roads away and we once had to put her in our daughter's cardigan feed her and return her home at 8.30 at night . After gently suggesting the 3 year old girl shouldn't be left out cold hungry and under the 8 year olds supervision we had a torrent of abuse from the car crash waiting to happen mother.

Accused us of being ridiculously over protective.

Suppose everybody has their own standards and morals.

[Jakubclaret]

They had been there before, hadn't they? I'm quite probably wrong here. I'll check.

Edit: Tried to find out but can't.

Gerry had been to Portugal before on golfing trips but Kate had never been before, so it's not entirely true to state that the McCann's didn't know Portugal because Gerry certainly did.

[TheFamilyCat]

There you go, she's buried in a bunker.

[claretonthecoast1882]

There you go, she's buried in a bunker.

I hope they didn't ground the digger in the bunker

[Spijed]

The Daily Express will be running out of headlines if this case gets resolved!

[arise_sir_charge]

Gerry had been to Portugal before on golfing trips but Kate had never been before, so it's not entirely true to state that the McCann's didn't know Portugal because Gerry certainly did.

Jesus, have I seriously just read this?

I hope they’ve checked the holes and bunkers at local golf courses!

[arise_sir_charge]

We’ll see what transpires in due course, by hook or crook you can bet your bottom dollar somebody somewhere will be the fall guy, that much money as been thrown at it & other resources & with the media spotlight & the desperation to completely vindicate the McCanns it’s a certainty eventually something will happen, I’m just glad I wasn’t within a 100 miles radius of the Portuguese resort in 2007.

Why would you be a suspect? Is there something you’d like to share with us?

[Leisure]

You forgot option 3. The parents accidentally killed Madeline through an overdose of a sleeping drug and have worked to cover up their mistake ever since..

Option 3 is the most likely given all the information available.

So how come her body wasn't found in Portugal? What did they do with her body?

[arise_sir_charge]

So how come her body wasn't found in Portugal? What did they do with her body?

Leisure you are ******* in the wind with some of the folk on here.

They are convinced that the McCann’s did it (based on no evidence) and that they have got away with it because they happened to be middle class and not working class.

The reality is, something horrific happened to that poor child and sadly the parents are in part responsible having ‘neglected’ their responsibilities as parents.

The fact they likely regret their actions daily isn’t enough for some people, they’d prefer that they be accused, vilified and humiliated until such a point there is an answer that completely absolves them of any direct involvement in her abduction.

I find it all rather pathetic to be honest.

[Leisure]

& the desperation to completely vindicate the McCanns

Desperation of whom? Please explain.

[Jakubclaret]

Jesus, have I seriously just read this?

I hope they’ve checked the holes and bunkers at local golf courses!

You can defend the McCann's by all means that's your perogative, you stated the McCann's hadn't been to Portugal before, well not technically true it was just the specific resort you was referring to I think, the other poster disagreed & decided to check but couldn't find the information, so I checked for myself & Jerry McCann had visited Portugal previously so he must have some knowledge of Portugal. I can't help it if some of the facts are pointing in 1 direction, either they haven't visited Portugal pre 2007 or they have, well 1 of them did. So on that basis it's wrong to suggest the McCann's had no knowledge of that particular area (Portugal).

[Jakubclaret]

Leisure you are ******* in the wind with some of the folk on here.

They are convinced that the McCann’s did it (based on no evidence) and that they have got away with it because they happened to be middle class and not working class.

The reality is, something horrific happened to that poor child and sadly the parents are in part responsible having ‘neglected’ their responsibilities as parents.

The fact they likely regret their actions daily isn’t enough for some people, they’d prefer that they be accused, vilified and humiliated until such a point there is an answer that completely absolves them of any direct involvement in her abduction.

I find it all rather pathetic to be honest.

& by that same token & flipping that the very same coin - "They are convinced that the McCann's did it based on no evidence. You are also convinced the McCann's didn't do it again based on no evidence. My supported suspicions are backed up without any concrete convictions spanning back 13 years ago & a child just disappearing for no apparent reason, & to further reinforce my way of thinking the actual police & authorities in Portugal highly doubt the McCann's version of events.

[Burnley1989]

There you go, she's buried in a bunker.

Literally the first thing that came into my head when I read that

[Volvoclaret]

Literally the first thing that came into my head when I read that

So was Hitler. Conspiracy theorists get ready.

[dsr]

You can defend the McCann's by all means that's your perogative, you stated the McCann's hadn't been to Portugal before, well not technically true it was just the specific resort you was referring to I think, the other poster disagreed & decided to check but couldn't find the information, so I checked for myself & Jerry McCann had visited Portugal previously so he must have some knowledge of Portugal. I can't help it if some of the facts are pointing in 1 direction, either they haven't visited Portugal pre 2007 or they have, well 1 of them did. So on that basis it's wrong to suggest the McCann's had no knowledge of that particular area (Portugal).

Are you aware that Portugal is a big place? You can't walk from end to end in 10 minutes.

Put it this way. you have been to England, you have some knowledge of it. Quite a lot of knowledge, I would have thought. So could you recommend a good place to bury a body in the immediate vicinity of Bourton-on-the-Water, please?

[Leisure]

Desperation of whom? Please explain.

Jakub - Still waiting for you to answer!

[Jakubclaret]

Jakub - Still waiting for you to answer!

The impression I get is because the McCann's have a respectable middle class lifestyle it's absolutely impossible for the McCann's to be guilty on that basis alone, if it was a working class couple or a couple on benefits, they'd be hung drawn & quartered.

[Darnhill Claret]

Is Bourton on The Water near a golf course by any chance?

Actually I do believe that Jakubclaret has inadvertently solved the mystery. Just look at the name of the number 1 suspect.
BrUecKNER. The anagram of all anagrams. Sherlock Holmes himself is now relegated somewhere below Jakubclaret.

[Darnhill Claret]

No I think working class families in the same situation would still want some investigation team to discover relevant evidence to discount any persons of interest, to eventually arrive at a standout suspect with sufficient evidence to procure a conviction.

[Darnhill Claret]

Evidence such as, you must be guilty because you are of British working class stock, would probably not even get to court. And if the authorities are doing all they can to secure a conviction for this British middle class family, then I accuse them of taking too long. Surely it doesn’t take 13 years to ‘fit someone up’.

[TVC15]

This thread is getting worse...but sadly utterly predictable in terms of certain posters views on anything. Let’s hope they never end up on a jury.

What kind of person forms an opinion that parents have killed their child because there is no evidence to suggest they haven’t ? WTF

Oh and in terms of making this a “class” thing anybody who thinks leaving their children unsupervised is restricted by whether you are working, middle or upper class is not in the real world.
“Baby Crying in shally no 3”......anyone

[Darnhill Claret]

If the tabloid headlines today are an accurate depiction of police progress at Breuckner’s, they appear to have discovered an underground bunker at one of his addresses. Hopefully the end is in sight.

[Bosscat]

A number on here must spend their evenings sharpening their pitchforks and putting parafin on their home made torches.....

https://youtu.be/azprsLvZLeg

[TheFamilyCat]

Are you aware that Portugal is a big place? You can't walk from end to end in 10 minutes.

Put it this way. you have been to England, you have some knowledge of it. Quite a lot of knowledge, I would have thought. So could you recommend a good place to bury a body in the immediate vicinity of Bourton-on-the-Water, please?

In the model village. You could disguise the body as a sleeping giant.

[SammyBoy]

I think I've mentioned it on a couple of Madeleine McCann threads because I find it so hilarious, but when this subject came up on the old board a poster genuinely and in all seriousness accused Gordon Brown of helping to cover up the McCann's guilt I mean as baseless as Jakubclaret's aspersions are at least they're not that left field.

[Leisure]

The impression I get is because the McCann's have a respectable middle class lifestyle it's absolutely impossible for the McCann's to be guilty on that basis alone, if it was a working class couple or a couple on benefits, they'd be hung drawn & quartered.

It appears that for once you may be right. Of course it's not possible for them to be found/considered guilty just because they are a respectable middle class family!

And your answer still doesn't answer my question as to who is supposedly desperate for them to be found not guilty?

[Burnley1989]

Great thread this, feel guilty for laughing but conspiracy theory types are great for a laugh

[Jakubclaret]

It appears that for once you may be right. Of course it's not possible for them to be found/considered guilty just because they are a respectable middle class family!

And your answer still doesn't answer my question as to who is supposedly desperate for them to be found not guilty?

It's pointless continuing for me on this thread, whilst people are resistant to fact & favour the random or opportunistic child abductor predator, lord Lucan seems easier to find, with no evidence whatsoever 13 years later apart from 2 people offering an account which professional police detectives involved doubt.

[Leisure]

It's pointless continuing for me on this thread, whilst people are resistant to fact & favour the random or opportunistic child abductor predator, lord Lucan seems easier to find, with no evidence whatsoever 13 years later apart from 2 people offering an account which professional police detectives involved doubt.

What facts are those?

[fidelcastro]

Great thread this, feel guilty for laughing but conspiracy theory types are great for a laugh

Oh no... there's no such thing as a conspiracy theory, apparently. It's just a different opinion... however unlikely, far fetched or impossible it may be.

[Jakubclaret]

What facts are those?

The facts that there's no evidence to suggest an abduction ever took place, 13 years later & that fact cannot be proved or disproved to be fair, I'm a reasonable person but the suggestion that it wasn't a random abductor suggesting a preplanned strike & the knowledge gained by monitoring the movement's prior, that method would almost certainly lead to some credible sightings or leads something substantial but instead nothing, nah you'll be telling me father Christmas is real next.

[huw.Y.WattfromWare]

apart from 2 people offering an account which CORRUPT professional police detectives involved doubt.

I’ve corrected your post. A crappy detective that couldn’t wait to get his version out in print. Living happily off the proceeds now.