Bournemouth accept Man City offer for Aké

[jrgbfc]

The way Guardiola wants to play requires having centre backs who are mobile and can get the ball under pressure and play out from the back. Do people honestly think he wouldn't come in for Tarkowski if he thought he was capable of doing a job for City?

[Iloveyoubrady]

Ake is actually a very good player imo. For City, Ake is a great signing as he is good on the ball.

Tarks is ok on the ball, but not as quick. However, I think tarks is a better player overall due to his immense defending - similar to Maguire, who is less cultured on the ball, slower, but better at defending than the likes of Ake, Stones...

I think tarks would be worth a similar amount if not more because Bournemouth have been relegated and need to sell.

[Sproggy]

That's four hundred million pounds Pep has now spent on his defence and GK.

They kept one more clean sheet than us.

Genius (tm).

[Spijed]

The way Guardiola wants to play requires having centre backs who are mobile and can get the ball under pressure and play out from the back. Do people honestly think he wouldn't come in for Tarkowski if he thought he was capable of doing a job for City?

Trouble is, Guardiola can't spot a good defender.

Stones, Mendy, walker etc.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Don't be ridiculous he will be on more than double our highest earner

City paid a chunk of Harts wages so he'd sod off.

A number of over spending clubs will do that to get players out of the door, Leeds used to do it a lot when they were collapsing financially.

[jrgbfc]

Trouble is, Guardiola can't spot a good defender.

Stones, Mendy, walker etc.

Defending is a lot easier though if you sit deep with 8 men behind the ball. I'd wager if you put Tarkowski into Citys defence he wouldn't look the same commanding figure he does playing for us.

[summitclaret]

Defending is a lot easier though if you sit deep with 8 men behind the ball. I'd wager if you put Tarkowski into Citys defence he wouldn't look the same commanding figure he does playing for us.

Don't agree. He would have much less to do and have many more options on who to pass to.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Imagine just sticking 8 men behind the ball and only the top 6 winning more games than you.

[Quickenthetempo]

City paid a chunk of Harts wages so he'd sod off.

A number of over spending clubs will do that to get players out of the door, Leeds used to do it a lot when they were collapsing financially.

The 4m pound fee we paid City went straight to Joe Hart to cover the 80k a week he was losing in wages joining us.

Just a crafty way to keep him within our wage structure.

[summitclaret]

The 4m pound fee we paid City went straight to Joe Hart to cover the 80k a week he was losing in wages joining us.

Just a crafty way to keep him within our wage structure.

But what a waste of our precious money. Who the hell wanted him to stay on? Got to be one of the worst decisions since signing Paul Stewart.

[Quickenthetempo]

But what a waste of our precious money. Who the hell wanted him to stay on? Got to be one of the worst decisions since signing Paul Stewart.

Stay on? We didn't get him on loan.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

The 4m pound fee we paid City went straight to Joe Hart to cover the 80k a week he was losing in wages joining us.

Just a crafty way to keep him within our wage structure.

I know, we did the same when we had Nugent on loan.

[bobinho]

Has a bit of a look of Ruud Gullit about him....

Until he has the ball....

[jrgbfc]

Don't agree. He would have much less to do and have many more options on who to pass to.

Maybe, but he'd also have to defend high up the pitch with no cover, and be expected to play out from the back under pressure. Would be interesting to see how he'd get on at a bigger club. Personally I think we'll get one more season out of him before he moves on.

[TheOriginalLongsider]

£40 million. Is he really that good? I’d prefer Mee and Tarkowski to him

[tiger76]

Maybe, but he'd also have to defend high up the pitch with no cover, and be expected to play out from the back under pressure. Would be interesting to see how he'd get on at a bigger club. Personally I think we'll get one more season out of him before he moves on.

You could well be right, if Tarks won't sign a new deal then he'll only have 12 months on his contract next summer, so we will have little choice but to cash in on him, as we can't afford to allow him to leave for nothing.

Of course if a crazy offer came in for him in this window we'd probably have to sell anyway, we can't afford to knock back £40-50m if it's on the table.

[Stayingup]

Its a close call but I think most managers would prefer Ake over Tarks. Whether its a case that Ake has going cheap because Bournemouth have gone down or whether people on here are over valuing Tarks cos he's our player Im not sure.

I do however think Ake is worth more than Tarks (not to us obviously) and so if people think Bournemouth have got a good deal then I wouldn't expect Tarks to fetch much over £30m

Actually Ake is worth 60 million and Tarks about 5. Your on the right track but behind the leading pack.

[ecc]

Don't get this thing with Aké. How come Bournemouth shed so many goals with such a good CB? What does that say about the rest of the defence?

[GodIsADeeJay81]

https://www.premierleague.com/players/8 ... wski/stats

https://www.premierleague.com/players/4 ... 3%A9/stats

There isn't much in it between the two of them tbh, although Ake /Bournemouth have conceded a lot more goals

[dsr]

Defending is a lot easier though if you sit deep with 8 men behind the ball. I'd wager if you put Tarkowski into Citys defence he wouldn't look the same commanding figure he does playing for us.

On the other hand, defending is a lot easier if you put half a dozen of the world's best players in front of you and terrify the opposition into playing 8-1-1 formation. I reckon, taking all things into consideration, that Tarkowski had a harder season's defending than Otamendi or van Dijk.

[Foreverly Claret]

Ake..the wrong guy for City..they need more grit in their defence..Tarks would have been ideal...no point scoring for fun ( as they do ) if you're inconsistent at the back..they lose too many games .I find this sad because I would much rather see them at the top than the red Scousers and manure.Maybe they'll go for Tarks as well !?!?

[BenWickes]

That Man City defence, Laporte aside; is pretty susceptible to the quick break. Norwich's Hernandez sliced through them like a hot knife through butter on two occasions last week.
It's all well and good being a pretty footballing side but you run the risk of a counter with the way they play and that defence is way too attack minded. Zinchenko, Mendy, Stones, Walker may be effective going forward but not the best at defending.
I'm not overly convinced by Ake and never have been.
If I was a City fan. I'd be looking at a more defensive all rounder, allowing Laporte to express his own game more, a defensive midfielder in the Kante mould and two full backs who are equally adept at defending as well as attacking. Liverpool are a good example of a team who use wing backs effectively. Robertson and TAA are both equally good at defending as well as adding width. With VVD, those three have transformed their defence, which was quite porous.

[WillDanceForChocolat]

Certainly didn't have a relegation clause on his salary much like half the team

Everyone in the squad has a relegation clause in their contract apart from Ake. Which was fair enough as he was never going to play in the Championship and there would always have been a PL team that came in for him.

The argument as to why is he so valuable when we shipped so many goals is simple. As you know, Howe's teams are meant to be set up to score in the same way Dyche sets up to not concede. You can see that as a criticism if you like, it isn't it's just a different approach to trying to get the result. The failure this season was to not score as many as previous seasons as we conceded a similar amount. There's a multitude of reasons for that which I won't go into here. A striker who scores 20 in a free scoring outfit isn't necessarily better than a striker that scores 12 in a team that creates very few chances.

If you divorce him from the tactical setup and the defensive issues it creates and simply judge his overall play, Ake is a top six defender. He could well flourish at Man City. On a week-to-week basis I'm sure he's going to do very well. The challenge will come in those big games where you can't afford to make a single mistake. He hasn't had that pressure before but I guess that's the same for every player that moves to those clubs. Worth noting though that in his stats, despite all the goals we shipped, he didn't make a mistake that led directly to a goal all season. That's where the career of someone like Stones fell down at City.

I'm happy for him and wish him all the best there. He's been nothing but professional and it's almost fitting that his last moment in an AFCB shirt was injuring himself in a last ditch flying block to save a goal from a mistake by a teammate. Total commitment despite knowing a big move was on the cards. Contrast that with a certain short of stature toe rag who disappeared for the whole season because he didn't want to risk his big move.

Anyway, good luck for next season. We pretty much recognise that we weren't good enough for various reasons this year although the Burnley matches do get a lot of mentions. VAR allowing the Rodriguez winner when he used his arm at our place but then disallowing our goal at you place and also giving the penalty for less obvious offences rankles a bit. That's football though! Or, more accurately these days, that's VAR!

Onto next season. The PL is great and where you want to be but the Championship is more fun! Hopefully we'll see you again in twelve months. In the good sense, not because we've both had poor years.

[Devils_Advocate]

Good post mate but you'll upset a few of the bottom lip brigade on here with such a sensible, knowledgeable and positive view of Bournemouth. I was hoping you guys stayed up as I really like Howe as a person and I like his approach to the game.

Good luck next season but it will be far from easy to get straight back up

[Culmclaret]

I was sad to see Bournemouth go. Howe wasn’t right for us but you can’t deny that he spotted the talent that got us up the first time under Dyche. Had done a brilliant job at AFCB up to this season but the PL is so unforgiving that you just can’t have an off season with a smaller club. As for Ake, I wonder whether this is an indication that City have accepted that Liverpool will dominate for a while c/f Van Dyck.

[Spijed]

Robertson and TAA are both equally good at defending as well as adding width. With VVD, those three have transformed their defence, which was quite porous.

I'd beg to differ about TAA. Against tricky wingers he looks very suspect and Pulisic tore him to shreds in the recent game at Anfield.

[Chester Perry]

Everyone in the squad has a relegation clause in their contract apart from Ake. Which was fair enough as he was never going to play in the Championship and there would always have been a PL team that came in for him.

not according to some reports viewtopic.php?f=2&t=20891&start=4809

[Commy]

I don't think TAA is any good defending. I think he was left out against us because Dwight shows him up when he is against him. Wasn't he subbed the other season at half time because he was being run ragged?

[Iloveyoubrady]

I don't think TAA is any good defending. I think he was left out against us because Dwight shows him up when he is against him. Wasn't he subbed the other season at half time because he was being run ragged?

Dwight always seems to give Trent a hard time.

[WillDanceForChocolat]

not according to some reports viewtopic.php?f=2&t=20891&start=4809

The problem with cutting and pasting a whole article rather than linking to it is that when it gets updated because incorrect information is included then you miss out on the corrected article.

Here's the link: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/20 ... n-clauses/

When it was first published it named several players not having clauses but it was swiftly amended to only mention Ake.

There was also an interview with someone from our hierarchy a while back when he mentioned the player contracts have a relegation clause in them. As I said, I can understand an exception was made for Ake but not for anybody else.

[Vegas Claret]

I would imagine the reason Ake is fancied over Tarkowski is sprint speed, he's pretty quick. 41 million for a Dutch International with PL experience doesn't seem too over valued in today's bonkers market. Ignore the fact he got relegated, Howe can't set up a defence and we all know that

[Chester Perry]

The problem with cutting and pasting a whole article rather than linking to it is that when it gets updated because incorrect information is included then you miss out on the corrected article.

Here's the link: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/20 ... n-clauses/

When it was first published it named several players not having clauses but it was swiftly amended to only mention Ake.

There was also an interview with someone from our hierarchy a while back when he mentioned the player contracts have a relegation clause in them. As I said, I can understand an exception was made for Ake but not for anybody else.

When I outline your link I see no change - the article was transcribed because of the paywall - which is why I use outline I do not subscribe - I accept that articles are regularly updated but not seeing any notice of it even at the top of the page you linked, before I put the url into outline, just a sate and post time - general practice would be to add a last updated note at that place

[WillDanceForChocolat]

When I outline your link I see no change - the article was transcribed because of the paywall - which is why I use outline I do not subscribe - I accept that articles are regularly updated but not seeing any notice of it even at the top of the page you linked, before I put the url into outline, just a sate and post time - general practice would be to add a last updated note at that place

I'm not sure what you mean by outline the link but even the free preview shows a significant rewrite:

Here's the original first four paragraphs:

"Bournemouth face a huge battle to try to make a quick return to the Premier League while fighting the threat of a financial crisis as some of the club’s highest earners do not have relegation clauses in their contracts.

And that leaves Bournemouth under threat of losing stars such as Callum Wilson, Nathan Ake, Josh King and David Brooks for cut-price fees as top-flight clubs seek to take advantage of their predicament.

While Eddie Howe, who is paid around £4 million a year, considers his future, Bournemouth are likely to be forced into having to sell their most valuable assets to offset the financial impact of going down during the coronavirus pandemic.

Telegraph Sport can reveal that Bournemouth’s situation is made even more difficult by the fact that some of their star players do not have clauses in their contracts that mean they have to accept wage decreases following relegation."

Here's the amended version:

"Bournemouth could be forced to accept a cut-price fee for star man Nathan Ake after it emerged the central defender does not have a relegation clause in his contract.

Already fighting the threat of a financial crisis while trying to plan for life in the Championship, relegated Bournemouth’s best hope of raising major funds is to sell Ake, who has attracted interest from Manchester City, Chelsea and Manchester United.

Chelsea have a £40 million buy back option on Ake, but it is unlikely that Bournemouth will get close to that figure given they cannot afford to keep the Dutch defender, who is one of the club’s highest earners.

While most of Bournemouth’s first-team players will have to accept automatic wage reductions following relegation from the Premier League, Ake is in no such position and that will only strengthen the negotiating position of his suitors...."

It's also worth noting the journalist was pretty determined to take a negative viewpoint, even in his rewrite. For example, claiming it was unlikely we'd get close to £40m for Ake. We just got more.

As I said before, the club hierarchy have previously said the players have relegation clauses. I'm happy to accept that ahead of someone who appears to have either a dodgy source or an axe to grind.

[Chester Perry]

yes it is a rewrite but it certainly does not say only Ake is the only one not to have a relegation clause in the bits you have posted

[WillDanceForChocolat]

I'd say it's a very careful rewording to avoid the journalist having to say 'what I wrote before isn't true'. He's left it ambiguous enough so that people can interpret that way but he's clearly rowed back.

From:
"some of their star players do not have clauses in their contracts" which is definitely plural.

To:
"most of Bournemouth’s first-team players will have to accept automatic wage reductions following relegation from the Premier League, Ake is in no such position" where the 'most' could mean anything up to everyone apart from Ake. Which is the case.

The name of the link he used when he created the article is 'several-bournemouths-highest-earners-have-no-relegation-clauses' but the amended article doesn't contain that information. It's just a weasel article where the journalist has been forced into backtracking and has tried to reword it in a way that could be construed either way.

[ClaretTony]

Aké to Man City now confirmed

[bobinho]

Pep wants him. He sees something obviously.

I’m still surprised they didn’t go for VVD before the scousers got in there... city were crying out for a decent CB.

[Spijed]

Pep wants him. He sees something obviously.

He saw something in Mendy & Stones as well.

It shows he's got very poor eyesight in that respect because when it comes to defenders Guardiola has spent an awful lot of money on some mediocre players.

[Woodleyclaret]

City can afford to buy duds and pay over the odds for them
John Stones is dire and Ake isnt much better
If City wanted a proven England international and local I was surprised they didn't bid for Tarks at £50m hes a bargain and far better than Maguire at United

[GodIsADeeJay81]

After 24 appearances in 2 years for City, reports are that he's going back to Chelsea for £40-45million.
He's apparently agreed terms with Chelsea, just need the club to put in their bid for him.

[Claretitus]

When we played Citeh at the Turf last season, my mate, who follows them home and away , said “Ake is playing, anything could happen”. Pretty much summed him up really, the fans never believed in him, or trusted him to deliver. Not really what you want for a £40M plus player.