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Burnley to merge with Blackburn

Post by Culmclaret » Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:11 pm

Well. Here’s one bound to go down well in BB11. As part of the response to the forthcoming Devolution White Paper proposals are being formulated to restructure local government in Lancashire. The existing county council and the unitary councils of Blackpool and Blackburn with Darwen will be thrown into the melting pot and three new unitary councils created.

1. Central and South: Preston, South Ribble, Chorley and West Lancs

2. West/North:Blackpool, Wyre, Fylde, Lancaster and Ribble Valley

3. East: Hyndburn, Rossendale, Pendleton, Burnley and......you guessed it!

In addition a new Lancashire Combined Authority with a directly elected mayor will sit over the top of the three new unitary councils so that the existing two tier structure of local government in most of the county will be replaced by....errr...a two tier structure.

Let the fun begin

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Re: Burnley to merge with Blackburn

Post by Bosscat » Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:15 pm

Culmclaret wrote:
Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:11 pm
Well. Here’s one bound to go down well in BB11. As part of the response to the forthcoming Devolution White Paper proposals are being formulated to restructure local government in Lancashire. The existing county council and the unitary councils of Blackpool and Blackburn with Darwen will be thrown into the melting pot and three new unitary councils created.

1. Central and South: Preston, South Ribble, Chorley and West Lancs

2. West/North:Blackpool, Wyre, Fylde, Lancaster and Ribble Valley

3. East: Hyndburn, Rossendale, Pendleton, Burnley and......you guessed it!

In addition a new Lancashire Combined Authority with a directly elected mayor will sit over the top of the three new unitary councils so that the existing two tier structure of local government in most of the county will be replaced by....errr...a two tier structure.

Let the fun begin
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Re: Burnley to merge with Blackburn

Post by ClaretPope » Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:17 pm

Pendle presumably. Bizarre that Ribble Valley is linked with Blackpool.

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Re: Burnley to merge with Blackburn

Post by tiger76 » Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:18 pm

I'll get the popcorn ready, i assume this is a cost-cutting exercise, but i don't see any logic to it otherwise.

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Re: Burnley to merge with Blackburn

Post by taio » Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:20 pm

This will be fraught with difficulty politically but if it can be made to happen it's certainly the right thing to do. The current two tier system is fragmented, confusing, inefficient and unsustainable. The proposals would also mean better alignment to the NHS.

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Re: Burnley to merge with Blackburn

Post by summitclaret » Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:20 pm

Absolute ********. It just needs to be Burnley, Pendle and Rossendale. 250k pop. The perfect size for a unitary authority. Nobody wants to be associated with Blackburn, but Hyndburn will have to be. Ribble Valley is a massive issue. Put um with us and ensure Labour have to be moderate to have a fair chance of control.
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Re: Burnley to merge with Blackburn

Post by Culmclaret » Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:21 pm

Yes Pendle....bloody predictive text came up with Pendleton

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Re: Burnley to merge with Blackburn

Post by Chester Perry » Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:22 pm

Culmclaret wrote:
Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:11 pm
Well. Here’s one bound to go down well in BB11. As part of the response to the forthcoming Devolution White Paper proposals are being formulated to restructure local government in Lancashire. The existing county council and the unitary councils of Blackpool and Blackburn with Darwen will be thrown into the melting pot and three new unitary councils created.

1. Central and South: Preston, South Ribble, Chorley and West Lancs

2. West/North:Blackpool, Wyre, Fylde, Lancaster and Ribble Valley

3. East: Hyndburn, Rossendale, Pendleton, Burnley and......you guessed it!

In addition a new Lancashire Combined Authority with a directly elected mayor will sit over the top of the three new unitary councils so that the existing two tier structure of local government in most of the county will be replaced by....errr...a two tier structure.

Let the fun begin
Ribble Valley did not want to run with East Lancs so will be run from Blackpool instead - not sure how that will help them

and yes the proposal is that East Lancs is run from down the road

It is a 4 year road map to get there and an awful lot of hurdles to overcome, the theory is that savings can be made by combine council staff and the Lancashire Mayor will give the county more say over its spending - the reality is likely to mean towns like ours are ignored.

Blackburn has been a great driver behind this, having been drunk with money from a government whose Home Secretary was their MP and who delighted in diverting government money to his seat from surrounding towns, they saw that we were starting to punch above our weight as replaced them in national prominence thanks to the respective fortunes of our clubs and less so the impact of having MP's whose parties were in Government.
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Re: Burnley to merge with Blackburn

Post by summitclaret » Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:22 pm

Twicers.

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Post by summitclaret » Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:24 pm


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Re: Burnley to merge with Blackburn

Post by summitclaret » Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:27 pm

The took the East Lancs title for cricket. They can f off if they think they can run us.

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Re: Burnley to merge with Blackburn

Post by Burnley Ace » Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:29 pm

Having done work with both Councils we would all be better off if Burnley took over Blackburn!

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Re: Burnley to merge with Blackburn

Post by BurnleyFC » Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:29 pm

It won’t happen.

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Re: Burnley to merge with Blackburn

Post by summitclaret » Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:32 pm

Money talks. Don't listen.

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Re: Burnley to merge with Blackburn

Post by huw.Y.WattfromWare » Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:37 pm

Gerrymandering if the tories are behind it.

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Re: Burnley to merge with Blackburn

Post by Buxtonclaret » Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:37 pm

Won't be long now before all East Lancs is Claret & Blue. :lol:

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Re: Burnley to merge with Blackburn

Post by Turfytop » Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:41 pm

There is a petition doing the rounds, just wish I knew how to post the link for it, needs everyone to sign it who’s against this, surely burnley council can’t be supporting this
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Re: Burnley to merge with Blackburn

Post by taio » Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:42 pm

huw.Y.WattfromWare wrote:
Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:37 pm
Gerrymandering if the tories are behind it.
Several Labour administrations are in favour of local government reorganisation in Lancashire

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Re: Burnley to merge with Blackburn

Post by bfcjg » Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:48 pm

Disgraceful. Blackburn is a council under the control of 2 businesses who tell them what they want and the council facilitate it.

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Re: Burnley to merge with Blackburn

Post by WadingInDeeper » Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:07 pm

We have regular contact with one department in most of the Local Authorities in the Northwest, and some in the midlands and Northeast. Looking at East Lancs, Blacburn/Darwen are excellent, possibly the best we deal with. Burnley/Pendle officers are non-existent and a bit of a joke, Hyndburn only slightly better whilst Rossendale at least outsource the work to a good alternative to having their own office.

If merging means improved services then it can't be any worse than now.

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Re: Burnley to merge with Blackburn

Post by ElectroClaret » Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:18 pm

You can bet the council tax bills won't get any smaller whichever way things end up. :?

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Re: Burnley to merge with Blackburn

Post by summitclaret » Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:26 pm

WadingInDeeper wrote:
Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:07 pm
We have regular contact with one department in most of the Local Authorities in the Northwest, and some in the midlands and Northeast. Looking at East Lancs, Blacburn/Darwen are excellent, possibly the best we deal with. Burnley/Pendle officers are non-existent and a bit of a joke, Hyndburn only slightly better whilst Rossendale at least outsource the work to a good alternative to having their own office.

If merging means improved services then it can't be any worse than now.
Who are we and you do realise that Blackburn has multiple times the budget of Burnley don't you?

Also do you know that Jack Straw is the only reason we don't control ourselves?

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Re: Burnley to merge with Blackburn

Post by WadingInDeeper » Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:44 pm

summitclaret wrote:
Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:26 pm
Who are we and you do realise that Blackburn has multiple times the budget of Burnley don't you?
Exactly, small authorities can't afford to perform their duties and/or can't afford properly qualified and trained officers.

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Re: Burnley to merge with Blackburn

Post by Sozturf7 » Thu Jul 30, 2020 10:27 pm

Having worked with councils from most areas of Lancashire, I always found Blackburn Horrendous to deal with. I have no doubt that money is at the back of this crazy idea.

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Re: Burnley to merge with Blackburn

Post by taio » Thu Jul 30, 2020 10:38 pm

Sozturf7 wrote:
Thu Jul 30, 2020 10:27 pm
Having worked with councils from most areas of Lancashire, I always found Blackburn Horrendous to deal with. I have no doubt that money is at the back of this crazy idea.
Of course money is one of the main reasons and there's nothing wrong with that because council budgets have been decimated over the past decade, taxpayers generally want value for money and efficient public services, and local government reorganisation in Lancashire should mean more funding and devolution, as is the case in Manchester and Liverpool.

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Re: Burnley to merge with Blackburn

Post by Burnley Ace » Thu Jul 30, 2020 10:42 pm

WadingInDeeper wrote:
Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:44 pm
Exactly, small authorities can't afford to perform their duties and/or can't afford properly qualified and trained officers.
In what capacity or field have you worked with BwD? I have had the opposite experience.

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Re: Burnley to merge with Blackburn

Post by rob63 » Thu Jul 30, 2020 10:44 pm

The new authority will need a new name, a combination of the 2 maybe? It'll be too controversial to use the beginning of either town name, so what if they go with Burn, from Blackburn....& ley, from Burnley & put them together?

Has a nice ring to it imo ;)
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Re: Burnley to merge with Blackburn

Post by HunterST_BFC » Thu Jul 30, 2020 10:46 pm

... it seems the merging has started...

Just saying

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Re: Burnley to merge with Blackburn

Post by WadingInDeeper » Fri Jul 31, 2020 12:09 am

Burnley Ace wrote:
Thu Jul 30, 2020 10:42 pm
In what capacity or field have you worked with BwD? I have had the opposite experience.
It's in a professional capacity. The people we deal with are consistent with how they apply guidelines, knowledgeable helpful and fair, comparable with the bigger city councils. However, I dare say some of my clients would take the opposite view to me.

If the smaller authorities like Burnley/Pendle/Rossendale/Hyndburn etc found some way of pooling resources they could afford to improve their services.

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Re: Burnley to merge with Blackburn

Post by charlyt » Fri Jul 31, 2020 2:25 am

I see a geat deal of in fighting on the horizon.
The knobs in Bustardland will expect to become the top bananas and we become inferior beings fed on sops.
I say, let us have a vote on this idiotic notion before it happens.
Bustardland, is, and always has been the domicile of lesser beings.

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Re: Burnley to merge with Blackburn

Post by Jimmymaccer » Fri Jul 31, 2020 6:13 am

Or is it Blac(can’t say it) merges with mighty Burnley!

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Re: Burnley to merge with Blackburn

Post by mikeS » Fri Jul 31, 2020 8:26 am

For restructure read austerity. More cuts and savings to divert cash to the south east.

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Re: Burnley to merge with Blackburn

Post by Culmclaret » Fri Jul 31, 2020 9:24 am

This is all driven by the Government’s obsession with Combined Authorities and directly elected mayors. However you restructure local government,you create new issues to solve. In this case, in order to reflect the particular needs of Burnley and the other place, there will almost inevitably be the need to create new town councils for both, so for Burnley this will mean that three layers of government ( the Lancashire Combined Authority, the East Lancs Unitary Council and Burnley Town Council) will replace LCC and Burnley Borough Council. All three layers might feasibly have different political control and there will be significant tensions within an East Lancs Unitary almost inevitably based on Blackburn with Darwen as the ‘continuing authority’. Just what we need in the middle of a global crisis is a local government reorganisation!

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Re: Burnley to merge with Blackburn

Post by AlargeClaret » Fri Jul 31, 2020 9:35 am

Didn’t Caligula once try to elect his horse as Consul ?

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Re: Burnley to merge with Blackburn

Post by claret2018 » Fri Jul 31, 2020 3:04 pm

will anybody notice or care who their council is? as long as the bins get collected I couldn't give a monkeys

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Post by taio » Fri Jul 31, 2020 3:13 pm

claret2018 wrote:
Fri Jul 31, 2020 3:04 pm
will anybody notice or care who their council is? as long as the bins get collected I couldn't give a monkeys
Yes because local authorities are responsible for crucial services like social care, education, public health, highways, housing and environmental.

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Re: Burnley to merge with Blackburn

Post by Culmclaret » Fri Jul 31, 2020 5:21 pm

They are also responsible for overseeing the safety of sports stadia working with other agencies through Safety Advisory Groups. So we would not want the power to close TM to be exercised from a council based up the M65.......

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Re: Burnley to merge with Blackburn

Post by charlyt » Mon Aug 10, 2020 2:12 am

May the Lord stop this unhloly merger.

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Re: Burnley to merge with Blackburn

Post by Spike » Mon Aug 10, 2020 9:45 am

Everything will be called Burnley
It will need its own South Asian Embassy

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