Brilliant

[dushanbe]

Coronavirus: Lockdown tightened in parts of northern England https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53602362

[BurnleyFC]

Is anybody still taking any notice of this absolute nonsense?

[ElectroClaret]

Oh, wonderful.

[Zlatan]

Is anybody still taking any notice of this absolute nonsense?

If they were it wouldn’t be necessary

[BurnleyFC]

If they were it wouldn’t be necessary

Not convinced. This ‘virus’ is here to stay and there’s not a damn thing we can do about it until a vaccine is found.

[dougcollins]

Well, people say it's just another flu epidemic. We have them every year.

Thing is, I don't know anyone who died of flu. Two of my colleagues succumbed to this epidemic though.

Make up your own minds. I'm being very careful.

[Pearcey]

Is anybody still taking any notice of this absolute nonsense?

Errrrrr yeah.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Is anybody still taking any notice of this absolute nonsense?

What nonsense are you referring too?

I personally know 3 people who've died from Covid, including 1 family member.
I know a few who've been very ill with it.

If it's all the same to you I'll take notice of the guidance from the gov because I've not finished with living just yet.

[Zlatan]

What nonsense are you referring too?

I personally know 3 people who've died from Covid, including 1 family member.
I know a few who've been very ill with it.

If it's all the same to you I'll take notice of the guidance from the gov because I've not finished with living just yet.

Good response Sid

[BurnleyFC]

What nonsense are you referring too?

I personally know 3 people who've died from Covid, including 1 family member.
I know a few who've been very ill with it.

If it's all the same to you I'll take notice of the guidance from the gov because I've not finished with living just yet.

Whilst I’m sorry to hear that did any of the people in question have underlying health conditions or were they in the vulnerable age group?

One of the posters above mentioned that we have flu epidemics every year. We most certainly don’t, but when we do people inevitably die from it.

[boatshed bill]

Whilst I’m sorry to hear that did any of the people in question have underlying health conditions or were they in the vulnerable age group?

One of the posters above mentioned that we have flu epidemics every year. We most certainly don’t, but when we do people inevitably die from it.

Not 50,000 in 4 months.

[Bordeauxclaret]

Not convinced. This ‘virus’ is here to stay and there’s not a damn thing we can do about it until a vaccine is found.

Not a damn thing we can do about it?

[BurnleyFC]

Not 50,000 in 4 months.

Without getting into specifics, there’s no way anybody can say with any degree of certainty that all those 50,000 deaths can be attributed to COVID-19.

Example, a good friend of mine is a senior nurse at Fairfield. Man gets admitted with COVID. Man gets punctured lung attempting to intubate. Man subsequently dies because of punctured lung. Cause of death on death certificate - COVID.

[icu81b4]

Is anybody still taking any notice of this absolute nonsense?

Have you heard the expression "if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem"?

[boatshed bill]

Without getting into specifics, there’s no way anybody can say with any degree of certainty that all those 50,000 deaths can be attributed to COVID-19.

Example, a good friend of mine is a senior nurse at Fairfield. Man gets admitted with COVID. Man gets punctured lung attempting to intubate. Man subsequently dies because of punctured lung. Cause of death on death certificate - COVID.

Yes, but you can't say for certain that an unspecified number of deaths may have been wrongly attributed to flu either. So it's pointless trying to break that down to specific cases.

[BurnleyFC]

Have you heard the expression "if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem"?

I’m Ribble Valley but thanks for the concern.

[Duffer_]

Without getting into specifics, there’s no way anybody can say with any degree of certainty that all those 50,000 deaths can be attributed to COVID-19.

Example, a good friend of mine is a senior nurse at Fairfield. Man gets admitted with COVID. Man gets punctured lung attempting to intubate. Man subsequently dies because of punctured lung. Cause of death on death certificate - COVID.

Which is why excess deaths are used and that doesn't improve the picture any.

[BurnleyFC]

Which is why excess deaths are used and that doesn't improve the picture any.

I’m not sure if the data is available but I’d be genuinely interested to know the excess death rate the last time we had a flu pandemic.

[boatshed bill]

Just like H1N1 Flu is still available without prescription, Covid19 is now part of our lives. I doubt wer'll ever see an end to it. Hopefully they'll develop a vaccine, but you can't really eradicate a virus.

[mdd2]

Burnley FC- if the case you quote hadn't developed Covid he wouldn't have had a punctured lung, which incidentally rarely causes death if managed correctly, so I suggest it is highly likely he died from Covid. That he was being intubated suggests he didn't just have a cough and loss of taste, he was about to be ventilated with only a 50;50 chance of making it

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Whilst I’m sorry to hear that did any of the people in question have underlying health conditions or were they in the vulnerable age group?

One of the posters above mentioned that we have flu epidemics every year. We most certainly don’t, but when we do people inevitably die from it.

Family member in her 50's (Bracknell) , a friend in her late 60's (Nelson) and friends parent in her 60's (Reading)
All in good health, but it shows people anywhere can get it.
My sister in law had it and was ill for 3 weeks down in Newbury.

Now we do have excess deaths from flu every year, it was about 5 years ago we had excess deaths of about 40k and a large chunk of that was flu.
Flu vaccines are basically an educated guess as to which strain of flu will be the main one that particular year and a vaccine made for that strain.
Sometimes they get it wrong, invariably it's right, but we still have a decent number of people dying as a result of flu.

[mdd2]

Just like H1N1 Flu is still available without prescription, Covid19 is now part of our lives. I doubt wer'll ever see an end to it. Hopefully they'll develop a vaccine, but you can't really eradicate a virus.

Well we have done a pretty good job with polio and small pox, and we could get rid of measles if folk would have the vaccine, but I agree this one will be around for years I imagine but a vaccine may help to reduce the severity of the illness for many. In the mean time it is important to protect ourselves by practicing social distancing, hand washing, wearing masks when indicated or we will be back to square one

[HunterST_BFC]

I'm starting to realise the only way some people will ever understand how serious C19 is will be when they are gasping for breath and can't stand.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

I’m not sure if the data is available but I’d be genuinely interested to know the excess death rate the last time we had a flu pandemic.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... usReleases

It's all there.
We had excess deaths of 35k in the winter months of 2016 to beginning of 2017, but it's 2015 that was the previous highest of 45k or so I think.

People are talking about excess deaths of 50-60k but they're not taking into account previous years excess death figures.

Yes we've had a high number of excess deaths and a high percentage will be directly caused by Covid, but a reasonable percentage will be normal.

[BurnleyFC]

Burnley FC- if the case you quote hadn't developed Covid he wouldn't have had a punctured lung, which incidentally rarely causes death if managed correctly, so I suggest it is highly likely he died from Covid. That he was being intubated suggests he didn't just have a cough and loss of taste, he was about to be ventilated with only a 50;50 chance of making it

Understand that point, but it was the nurse who told me about this particular anomaly, and if she’s sceptical about the true number of deaths from COVID then who am I to argue?

She’s also told me that Rochdale has seen a heavy spike in the number of confirmed cases, but only because people from Oldham are now getting tested there.

[Bin Ont Turf]

I'm starting to realise the only way some people will ever understand how serious C19 is will be when they are gasping for breath and can't stand.

If young adults did or started to die at a rate the older folk have, then it would all be completely different.

[Duffer_]

I don't remember the great lockdowns of 2015 to 2017

[dsr]

Well, people say it's just another flu epidemic. We have them every year.

Thing is, I don't know anyone who died of flu. Two of my colleagues succumbed to this epidemic though.

Make up your own minds. I'm being very careful.

In an average year, over 110,000 people die in the UK with flu or pneumonia listed on the death certificate as a primary or secondary cause. Of them, typically about 10,000 to 17,000 die as a direct result of having flu and would have expected to live long productive lives had they not caught flu.

The percentage is quite similar really. There aren't many coronavirus deaths (relatively speaking) for people who would have lived long lives if they hadn't caught it. Half the deaths are people in nursing homes, which incidentally is where flu gets many of its victims from, because people in nursing homes tend to be old and unwell and likely to suffer from the next major infection whatever it may be.

I would like to see the numbers of people being admitted to hospital now. It must be very light, I would have thought.

[Spiral]

Thought experiment: Autumn spike leads to lockdown, cases drop by early winter, concerns about increase in number of infections are being balanced off a desperation to avoid yet further economic catastrophe, govt lifts lockdown, weeks later lockdown is imposed on precisely the evening of the 24th of December preventing large indoor gatherings of family and friends. Is the govt acting on the basis of science with the sole intention of reducing cases, or is the govt behaving cynically by showing to have 'acted' literally hours before Christmas Day, thus placing the blame for an increase in cases on 'irresponsible' families who 'aren't following guidelines', who may have already gathered either prior to, or without knowing of the announcement the night of the 24th of December?