Sheffield Wednesday - 12 point deduction

[Zlatan]

Obviously don’t have the financial clout of Man City...

https://www.efl.com/news/2020/july/efl- ... y-verdict/

Oh and don’t mention anything to do with the pandemic... D’oh...

[FactualFrank]

Relegation for them next season realistic then. Had they lost 12 points this season, they'd have finished on 44 and bottom.

[ClaretTony]

They would have been bottom with that. Why is their deduction next season when Wigan’s is this season.

[fidelcastro]

They would have been bottom with that. Why is their deduction next season when Wigan’s is this season.

Is it something to do with the date this was announced?

If not, then I'd be very bitter if I was a Wigan fan!

[conyoviejo]

Disgusting decision by the powers that be.

[Rowls]

Seems arbitrary.

Perhaps they're thinking they don't want too many clubs being relegated in a single season by virtue of points deductions.

It's not good for the competition as it potentially leaves artificially strong teams in the third tier and keeps weaker teams in the second tier.

[conyoviejo]

Seems arbitrary.

Perhaps they're thinking they don't want too many clubs being relegated in a single season by virtue of points deductions.

It's not good for the competition as it potentially leaves artificially strong teams in the third tier and keeps weaker teams in the second tier.

What do you suggest? They do nothing at all?

[Rowls]

What do you suggest? They do nothing at all?

How on earth have you jumped to that conclusion???

[Claret Toni]

Obviously don’t have the financial clout of Man City...

I believe won their appeal and so weren't guilty of flouting the financial regulations - just guilty of failing to co-operate.

[conyoviejo]

How on earth have you jumped to that conclusion???

I haven't jumped to any conclusion Rowls , just wondered what you think should happen.

[Rowls]

I haven't jumped to any conclusion Rowls , just wondered what you think should happen.

I think there's a logic and a sense to staggering the penalties to Wednesday and Wigan but it does seem arbitrary. No more than that though.

Fortunately we Burnley fans don't need to get tanlged up in these lower league shenanigans these days

[Colburn_Claret]

They would have been bottom with that. Why is their deduction next season when Wigan’s is this season.

I was going to post the same.
How can Wigan get done this season, and be relegated, yet Wednesday have it deferred until next season and avoid relegation.

The powers that run the EFL must be the most inept, biased, useless bunch in charge of any organisation. They need removing, whatever happens this season, they need to go. I'm non plussed. If they'd done that to us, I would be putting on the camouflage paint, and going to war.

[huw.Y.WattfromWare]

The problem with Wednesday not being relegated is the length of time the process has taken. It looks as though the EFL have sat on this once Wigan were in difficulties. They do make a rod for their own backs.
Birmingham outcome still to be announced.

[ClaretTony]

I was going to post the same.
How can Wigan get done this season, and be relegated, yet Wednesday have it deferred until next season and avoid relegation.

The powers that run the EFL must be the most inept, biased, useless bunch in charge of any organisation. They need removing, whatever happens this season, they need to go. I'm non plussed. If they'd done that to us, I would be putting on the camouflage paint, and going to war.

There will be appeals here. Barnsley are watching the Wigan situation very carefully because they go down if Wigan win their appeal. Now it’s Charlton who would stay up if Sheff Wed had their points deducted now.

The league are a nonsense and I keep wondering why on earth Dave Baldwin wanted to take that job with them.

[Jakubclaret]

They would have been bottom with that. Why is their deduction next season when Wigan’s is this season.

That's something Wigan need to be arguing though & using Sheffield Wednesday as an example, definitely seems to be a case there.

[Terry Cochrane]

If you are Aston Villa it is cheat for 3 seasons but get promoted and don't pay at all next season in the PL.
That is the one that really stinks.

Villa filed a pre tax loss of £117m in 2018-19 the season they crept up.
They filed a loss of £33m in 2017-18 season.
They filed a loss of £8m in 2016-17 season
All 3 seasons they were in the Championship and received PP; reflected in their accounts.
Their combined loss is £158m across the 3 seasons.

In the Championship, there can be an injection of £8m per season to offset losses from a FFP perspective.
Villa injected nothing in 2016-17, but £57m in 2017-18.
They injected an incredible £106m in 2018-19.
Aston Villa's owners have injected a staggering £171m across the same 3 year period.
There is nothing to stop them doing this, but only £24m of this equity injection is allowed to offset losses within FFP across any 3 year period.

If we take £24m off the 3 year loss then their FFP deficit is c£134m across a 3 year period.
The maximum allowable loss after allowing for capital is £15m across a 3 year period.
They are £119m outside the regulations.

It is absolutely incredible that the PL have not taken account of this.
In my opinion a club should not be allowed to be promoted if they are such violent breach of the Championship FFP rules.
In my opinion Villa should have been relegated to League 1 or worse, not been rewarded with promotion to the Premier League.
The PL will take no action because they want Aston Villa in it; same as Leeds, Newcastle, West Ham, Everton.
Any club outside this (plus the big 6) would simply have had the book thrown at them.
It really really stinks.
If and when the perennial under achievers and fūcker uppers next get relegated then the Football League should apply the maximum penalty they can for the next season. Better still apply it in relation to the multiple of times they were outside the rules. Relegate the cheating bastards to League 2 like Rangers got ( I know it is a different circumstance)

[bobinho]

I was going to post the same.
How can Wigan get done this season, and be relegated, yet Wednesday have it deferred until next season and avoid relegation.

The powers that run the EFL must be the most inept, biased, useless bunch in charge of any organisation.

Have you forgotten about FIFA?

[Colburn_Claret]

Have you forgotten about FIFA?

True, but it's been out of the spotlight lately, and at least Splatter has gone.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

The PL don't want specific clubs in the top flight

They just don't give a toss about rule breakers from the EFL, because if a club is willing to run at a loss that's better for the PL because they'll spend whatever money they get.
The PL don't want clubs getting promoted and then banking the money for a rainy day.

[Terry Cochrane]

The PL don't want specific clubs in the top flight

They just don't give a toss about rule breakers from the EFL, because if a club is willing to run at a loss that's better for the PL because they'll spend whatever money they get.
The PL don't want clubs getting promoted and then banking the money for a rainy day.

So what you are saying is that the PL pay lip service to FFP?

You may be right but I say its a disaster for the Championship which operates a model that just doesn't work and encourages cheating. The likes of Bournemouth and Villa have succeeded in recent promotions as a result of overspending to the detriment of other teams who have tried to olay within the rules.

[ElectroClaret]

Charlton "considering a legal challenge" to the SW points
deduction.
(BBC)

[Rowls]

The problem with Wednesday not being relegated is the length of time the process has taken. It looks as though the EFL have sat on this once Wigan were in difficulties. They do make a rod for their own backs.
Birmingham outcome still to be announced.

Might well be why they've done it.

Imagine Birmingham get a 12 point deduction too - There would have been three teams getting relegated because of points penalties and the three worst sides would have stayed up.

[Barry_Chuckle]

3 teams try cheat the system deserve relegation, if that mean 3 teams who played fair stay up, I'd call that a positive outcome for the little piece of integrity the game has left.

[BenWickes]

One would assume Bournemouth will be in trouble or did they settle? I read Villa, Derby and Reading could also fall foul. Though Villa being a PL club operate under different rules?! It is ridiculous Wigan got relegated and Wednesday didn't.

[jojomk1]

Didn't Steve Gibson (Boro chairman) accuse Derby of doing a similar thing last year ?

[BenWickes]

Didn't Steve Gibson (Boro chairman) accuse Derby of doing a similar thing last year ?

BBC say they Derby's activities 'were' being scrutinised. Last I heard they were still under investigation.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

So what you are saying is that the PL pay lip service to FFP?

You may be right but I say its a disaster for the Championship which operates a model that just doesn't work and encourages cheating. The likes of Bournemouth and Villa have succeeded in recent promotions as a result of overspending to the detriment of other teams who have tried to olay within the rules.

Yeah the PL pay lip service to EFL FFP rules.

Norwich only get 2 years of parachute payments now because they got relegated in the first year, but they were reasonably sensible with the money they got for this season and that's frowned upon by many people, Inc pundits.
The belief is clubs should spend spend spend to get into and stay in the PL.
People find it odd if a club tries to balance its books, but Norwich are using us as an example of how its done properly now and they're ignoring everyone else.

[Firthy]

The whole thing is a joke. Why pick on the smaller clubs when the likes of City, United, Chelsea and Liverpool can get away with spending as much as they want because the league are scared of them.

[mdd2]

Yeah the PL pay lip service to EFL FFP rules.

Norwich only get 2 years of parachute payments now because they got relegated in the first year, but they were reasonably sensible with the money they got for this season and that's frowned upon by many people, Inc pundits.
The belief is clubs should spend spend spend to get into and stay in the PL.
People find it odd if a club tries to balance its books, but Norwich are using us as an example of how its done properly now and they're ignoring everyone else.

I remember Shearer commending how we managed relegation in 2015 and dealt with the finances allowing us to largely keep the squad, develop the Club, bounce back and also keeping faith with the manager -that period was really one of sheer brilliance by the management of our club.

[Commy]

One would assume Bournemouth will be in trouble or did they settle?

I think Bournemouth were fined and paid £6m.

[Longsidelenny1882]

Derby next utc

[ClaretTony]

The whole thing is a joke. Why pick on the smaller clubs when the likes of City, United, Chelsea and Liverpool can get away with spending as much as they want because the league are scared of them.

Not picking on smaller clubs, the ones you mention aren’t in the Football League. Totally different rules in the Premier League but the simple fact is that Sheffield Wednesday have blatantly broken the rules.

[ClaretTony]

Didn't Steve Gibson (Boro chairman) accuse Derby of doing a similar thing last year ?

Accused a number of clubs. Middlesbrough have stayed within the rules even to the point of selling Bamford, Gibson & Traoré two years ago to ensure they did. If clubs like Middlesbrough are playing by the rules they need protecting against any clubs who are cheating.

[Firthy]

Not picking on smaller clubs, the ones you mention aren’t in the Football League. Totally different rules in the Premier League but the simple fact is that Sheffield Wednesday have blatantly broken the rules.

Fair point but it's ridiculous that Premier and Football leagues have different rules. It just makes the the gap between the big clubs and the rest even wider. The amount of money being spent by the bigger clubs is obscene and ruining football, I'm glad the Newcastle takeover didn't happen would have just been another Man City in the making.

[ClaretTony]

Fair point but it's ridiculous that Premier and Football leagues have different rules. It just makes the the gap between the big clubs and the rest even wider. The amount of money being spent by the bigger clubs is obscene and ruining football, I'm glad the Newcastle takeover didn't happen would have just been another Man City in the making.

I don't think you could have the same rules in the two leagues to be fair. What I'd like to see is that any cheating club in the Football League who benefits with a promotion to the Premier League should then still be suitably punished. A number of clubs, QPR & Bournemouth quickly stand out because both were fined. Unfortunately, by the time their cheating was established, they had already played a season in the PL.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

I think Bournemouth were fined and paid £6m.

They paid up with minimal fuss if I recall correctly.

QPR had a hissy fit after they tried to bend the rules that they initially agreed to, refused to pay their fine and went to court and I don't know if that's been resolved yet.

Leciester were also fined and I think they eventually paid up.

Technically if a club refused to pay the fine to the EFL after promotion to the PL, in the event of relegation they could be refused entry to the EFL, but we all know that wouldn't happen.

[Terry Cochrane]

They paid up with minimal fuss if I recall correctly.

QPR had a hissy fit after they tried to bend the rules that they initially agreed to, refused to pay their fine and went to court and I don't know if that's been resolved yet.

Leciester were also fined and I think they eventually paid up.

Technically if a club refused to pay the fine to the EFL after promotion to the PL, in the event of relegation they could be refused entry to the EFL, but we all know that wouldn't happen.

The EFL haven’t got the balls to make a quick decision about Sheff Wed and Derby so they will damn sure not refuse re- entry for the cheaters once they get relegated as in the case of Bournemouth this season.

[MrTopTier]

Report coming out tomorrow suggesting EFL pursued wrong case and as consequence, Wednesday could only be deducted points for next season.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foot ... -case.html

[ElectroClaret]

So does this mean Charlton have some kind of case here, or is it all too late for them?

[ClaretTony]

So does this mean Charlton have some kind of case here, or is it all too late for them?

I wouldn’t have thought Charlton have a case but it shows just what an inept organisation the league is.