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Post by PremierLeagueClass » Sat Aug 01, 2020 11:00 pm

Given the season starts in less than 6 weeks I’d imagine the fixtures will be confirmed in the next week or so? Soon as Tuesdays play off final is done and dusted. Anything been confirmed on this?

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Re: Fixtures

Post by clarethomer » Sat Aug 01, 2020 11:05 pm

Nothing announced yet

CT is pretty good at updating info like that on here

https://www.uptheclarets.com/friendlies-and-key-dates

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Re: Fixtures

Post by ClaretTony » Sat Aug 01, 2020 11:44 pm

Nothing been said yet but I saw something in the last few days suggesting it might be not much more than two weeks before the first match when they are released.

I’ll do some asking next week but it’s going to be Tuesday night before we know who is in the league.

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Re: Fixtures

Post by ElectroClaret » Sun Aug 02, 2020 12:18 am

I sure hope the TV coverage is gonna be the same.
Because I don't think we'll be seeing the Turf first hand till the season after.

I know the plan is for limited access to grounds, but the way things are panning out generally, (and going backwards, if anything) I don't see us attending games for a hell of a long time.

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Re: Fixtures

Post by dsr » Sun Aug 02, 2020 12:41 am

ElectroClaret wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 12:18 am
I sure hope the TV coverage is gonna be the same.
Because I don't think we'll be seeing the Turf first hand till the season after.

I know the plan is for limited access to grounds, but the way things are panning out generally, (and going backwards, if anything) I don't see us attending games for a hell of a long time.
If Chris Whitty has his way, we may never see live football again. He is well into the "stop coronavirus at all costs" camp, it seems. If there's no vaccine, we're stuck like this for ever.

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Re: Fixtures

Post by jrgbfc » Sun Aug 02, 2020 9:00 am

ElectroClaret wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 12:18 am
I sure hope the TV coverage is gonna be the same.
Because I don't think we'll be seeing the Turf first hand till the season after.

I know the plan is for limited access to grounds, but the way things are panning out generally, (and going backwards, if anything) I don't see us attending games for a hell of a long time.
Personally I think the longer it goes more and more people will get out of the habit of going, or realise they don't actually miss it that much, or enjoy going to watch their local non league side instead. I accept it had to be done to get this season finished, but not sure I could muster much excitement for it longer term.

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Re: Fixtures

Post by ClaretDiver » Sun Aug 02, 2020 9:01 am

ElectroClaret wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 12:18 am
I sure hope the TV coverage is gonna be the same.
Because I don't think we'll be seeing the Turf first hand till the season after.

I know the plan is for limited access to grounds, but the way things are panning out generally, (and going backwards, if anything) I don't see us attending games for a hell of a long time.
This has been discussed previously and the concensus is that TV companies will not be showing as many games live. Project Restart was an anomoly...

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Re: Fixtures

Post by JohnMcGreal » Sun Aug 02, 2020 9:14 am

If they've got any sense they'll continue to offer as many free televised games as possible.

If they stick it all behind a paid subscription service, they might find that a lot people aren't prepared to pay through the nose for such a shoddy product.

They need to keep people interested, and that might mean televising a lot of games and making many of them free to watch.

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Re: Fixtures

Post by ClaretTony » Sun Aug 02, 2020 9:52 am

ClaretDiver wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 9:01 am
This has been discussed previously and the concensus is that TV companies will not be showing as many games live. Project Restart was an anomoly...
There isn't a consensus one way or the other, nothing has been said at all yet by the Premier League or the broadcasters although I'd be surprised if things changed from what would be considered the usual number of games rather than all of them.

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Re: Fixtures

Post by arise_sir_charge » Sun Aug 02, 2020 9:57 am

Personally I’d be surprised if they moved away from blanket coverage whilst grounds are empty.

There is actually no point to the Premier League if people can’t watch it.

Also the TV companies would be mad not to go with blanket coverage bearing in mind they literally have a captive audience. It would be madness not to try and make the most of that.
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Re: Fixtures

Post by StuffyClaret » Sun Aug 02, 2020 11:57 am

Surely the fact that all games are available to watch live outside the UK is the strongest possible argument that things should continue as they have done for the last 6 weeks or so, at least until fans are allowed back in the grounds. Alternatively, make all matches (outside of the normal live PPV contract) individually PPV until fans are allowed back at say £5-£10 per game

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Re: Fixtures

Post by NottsClaret » Sun Aug 02, 2020 5:55 pm

arise_sir_charge wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 9:57 am
There is actually no point to the Premier League if people can’t watch it.
Exactly, zero point to professional sport if no one is watching. Might as well let a computer generate results or just knock it on the head for a year.

There’s no way sitting at home watching a vidiprinter is going to hold anyone’s attention, particularly if non league is back with small crowds.

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Re: Fixtures

Post by FactualFrank » Sun Aug 02, 2020 5:56 pm

We'll get Leeds early doors, I can feel it in my water.

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Re: Fixtures

Post by Spijed » Sun Aug 02, 2020 6:23 pm

NottsClaret wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 5:55 pm
Exactly, zero point to professional sport if no one is watching. Might as well let a computer generate results or just knock it on the head for a year.

There’s no way sitting at home watching a vidiprinter is going to hold anyone’s attention, particularly if non league is back with small crowds.
Every game is televised though, they are just not available for the UK market.

That's why people can find streams for every game.

There will be millions watching Liverpool v Man U. on TV in Asia, even if the games are still behind closed doors.

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Re: Fixtures

Post by Paul Waine » Sun Aug 02, 2020 11:14 pm

StuffyClaret wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 11:57 am
Surely the fact that all games are available to watch live outside the UK is the strongest possible argument that things should continue as they have done for the last 6 weeks or so, at least until fans are allowed back in the grounds. Alternatively, make all matches (outside of the normal live PPV contract) individually PPV until fans are allowed back at say £5-£10 per game
Hi Stuffy, £5-£10 per game is a lot to pay. My NOW TV deal is £25/month - for all Sky Premier League games, plus Championship, plus the cricket, plus F1 etc etc etc. OK, this was "special" offer, rising to £35/month after 3 months. I'd sign up for £25/month again - once the season has started.... I'm not sure ppv works for single games in Premier League... ;)

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Post by Paul Waine » Sun Aug 02, 2020 11:15 pm

FactualFrank wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 5:56 pm
We'll get Leeds early doors, I can feel it in my water.
Home or Away? Have I got time to book a cheap train deal....???? Oh. ;)

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Re: Fixtures

Post by BenWickes » Mon Aug 03, 2020 5:55 am

If the TV companies could offer access to all ten games as Sky did on the final day. I don't see the problem. It'd be cheaper than a day at t'Turf or whatever club you follow. They all have the platforms to offer it. BT have an APP, not sure if you can get that on your TV but we watched Burnley games through it on our laptop. If they charge a Day Pass fee of, say; £9.99. It's still cheaper than going to the match.
The problem lies as has been mentioned above. The illegal live streams which of course are free but they were there pre-lockdown. Those streams are not always the best quality (more often not with me) so I'd not mind paying £9.99 if I could watch us every week.
Whether it's cost effective for the broadcasters is another matter.

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Re: Fixtures

Post by wilks_bfc » Mon Aug 03, 2020 7:36 am

BenWickes wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 5:55 am
If the TV companies could offer access to all ten games as Sky did on the final day. I don't see the problem. It'd be cheaper than a day at t'Turf or whatever club you follow. They all have the platforms to offer it. BT have an APP, not sure if you can get that on your TV but we watched Burnley games through it on our laptop. If they charge a Day Pass fee of, say; £9.99. It's still cheaper than going to the match.
The problem lies as has been mentioned above. The illegal live streams which of course are free but they were there pre-lockdown. Those streams are not always the best quality (more often not with me) so I'd not mind paying £9.99 if I could watch us every week.
Whether it's cost effective for the broadcasters is another matter.
It’s all week and good saying £9.99 is cheaper than going to the match but most of us have already paid £30+ per month for season tickets.

Every club has their own media platform now like we have with ClaretsPlayer. Surely they can have a way of showing the games with access to season ticket holders or pay to access for “walk-one” & away fans

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Re: Fixtures

Post by BenWickes » Mon Aug 03, 2020 7:51 am

wilks_bfc wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 7:36 am
It’s all week and good saying £9.99 is cheaper than going to the match but most of us have already paid £30+ per month for season tickets.

Every club has their own media platform now like we have with ClaretsPlayer. Surely they can have a way of showing the games with access to season ticket holders or pay to access for “walk-one” & away fans
Totally agree. In this day and age there must be some sort of means of broadcasting. I wasn't alienating ticket holders. Having already paid you should be able to get some sort of access to the games without going down the PPV route. Heck! Clubs can broadcast youth games on Youtube for free so there has to be avenues that can be looked at where fans can watch. Be it through club's own media platforms for season ticket holders or PPV etc.

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Post by ClaretTony » Mon Aug 03, 2020 10:12 am

wilks_bfc wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 7:36 am
Every club has their own media platform now like we have with ClaretsPlayer. Surely they can have a way of showing the games with access to season ticket holders or pay to access for “walk-one” & away fans
The games are not the club's to show, the rights for games was sold collectively by the Premier League to domestic and international broadcasters.

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Re: Fixtures

Post by PremierLeagueClass » Mon Aug 03, 2020 10:21 am

As others have said, it makes no sense not to have blanket coverage whilst fans aren’t allowed in. It’s looking like that could be the case for a good portion of this season.

If you’re going to play a game with no fans, that can’t be watched on tv, why play it at all.

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Re: Fixtures

Post by wilks_bfc » Mon Aug 03, 2020 10:23 am

ClaretTony wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 10:12 am
The games are not the club's to show, the rights for games was sold collectively by the Premier League to domestic and international broadcasters.
I know that, and in normal circumstances that's all fine.

But if, as expected, the 20/21 season starts with no fan access, then in my opinion, they have 3 options

1) they make it available like they did during "Project Restart"
2) come to some arrangement with clubs to enable them to show their games on their own platforms, for STH & PPV
3) people will find the means to watch the international streams (which are becoming a lot more stable & reliable than they previously were) and risk losing customers when "normal" service resumes.

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Re: Fixtures

Post by NewClaret » Mon Aug 03, 2020 11:12 am

wilks_bfc wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 10:23 am


I know that, and in normal circumstances that's all fine.

But if, as expected, the 20/21 season starts with no fan access, then in my opinion, they have 3 options

1) they make it available like they did during "Project Restart"
2) come to some arrangement with clubs to enable them to show their games on their own platforms, for STH & PPV
3) people will find the means to watch the international streams (which are becoming a lot more stable & reliable than they previously were) and risk losing customers when "normal" service resumes.
I think the whole piracy situation is a disgrace and I wish the PL would find a way to shut that down. I'm personally happy to pay to watch football, but the PL need to get their act together and provide the right platform for people to watch the games they want without paying a fortune for those they don't. It shouldn't be that hard, and whilst they fail to get their act together (especially during this pandemic/empty stadia), illegal streams will continue to be prevalent.

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Post by Woonderbah » Mon Aug 03, 2020 11:42 am

arise_sir_charge wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 9:57 am
Personally I’d be surprised if they moved away from blanket coverage whilst grounds are empty.

There is actually no point to the Premier League if people can’t watch it.

Also the TV companies would be mad not to go with blanket coverage bearing in mind they literally have a captive audience. It would be madness not to try and make the most of that.
Agree.
And it's the global advertising industry that the broadcasters have to keep happy.
With a reduced audience watching an inferior product, advertisers and sponsors may not want to pay what they've been paying pre Covid19.

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Re: Fixtures

Post by KateR » Mon Aug 03, 2020 2:37 pm

it's all about business decisions and zero to do with fans, however all clubs will be losing money due to no fans so another business decision at the club and League level to be discussed/agreed with broadcasters so will take some time to sort out but of course time is limited. Holistically I would say they will be broadcasting a lot more than in a normal season and likely to be similar to project restart as they drive to have have record TV audiences.

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Re: Fixtures

Post by NewClaret » Mon Aug 10, 2020 9:29 am

We’re about one month to go until the season restarts. Surely fixtures announced this week? Clubs etc, will need to make plans!

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Post by ClaretTony » Mon Aug 10, 2020 9:30 am

NewClaret wrote:
Mon Aug 10, 2020 9:29 am
We’re about one month to go until the season restarts. Surely fixtures announced this week? Clubs etc, will need to make plans!
Late next week

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Post by Eyres_11 » Mon Aug 10, 2020 10:08 am

StuffyClaret wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 11:57 am
Surely the fact that all games are available to watch live outside the UK is the strongest possible argument that things should continue as they have done for the last 6 weeks or so, at least until fans are allowed back in the grounds. Alternatively, make all matches (outside of the normal live PPV contract) individually PPV until fans are allowed back at say £5-£10 per game
I aint paying £5/£10 per home game as well as my season ticket.

looking forward to seeing how the club deal with game by game refunds especially if some done on a ballot.
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Post by wilks_bfc » Mon Aug 10, 2020 10:32 am

Eyres_11 wrote:
Mon Aug 10, 2020 10:08 am
I aint paying £5/£10 per home game as well as my season ticket.

looking forward to seeing how the club deal with game by game refunds especially if some done on a ballot.
Exactly my point in an earlier post

There needs to be an arrangement, where STH can somehow watch the game. Away fans & “walk ons” can them have option to PPV

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Re: Fixtures

Post by FactualFrank » Mon Aug 10, 2020 10:33 am

ClaretTony wrote:
Mon Aug 10, 2020 9:30 am
Late next week
Is that confirmed? I read something yesterday or the day before which mentioned the last week of August, but then 17th August was also being floated about.

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Post by ClaretTony » Mon Aug 10, 2020 10:48 am

FactualFrank wrote:
Mon Aug 10, 2020 10:33 am
Is that confirmed? I read something yesterday or the day before which mentioned the last week of August, but then 17th August was also being floated about.
Seen it in a few places now and matches the info I have

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Post by Conroysleftfoot » Mon Aug 10, 2020 10:59 am

It will be interesting to see what they do about the fixtures for Chelsea, Man U, Man City and Wolves. If, has been mentioned, they give them extra time after their 'exertions ' in the finals of the 2 European competitions to recover, what happens to the teams that will be supposed to play them at the start of the season? Knowing are luck we will be scheduled to play all 4 of these teams early on and then end up kicking our heels with the resulting fixture congestion later on in the season.

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Post by claretandy » Mon Aug 10, 2020 11:05 am

Conroysleftfoot wrote:
Mon Aug 10, 2020 10:59 am
It will be interesting to see what they do about the fixtures for Chelsea, Man U, Man City and Wolves. If, has been mentioned, they give them extra time after their 'exertions ' in the finals of the 2 European competitions to recover, what happens to the teams that will be supposed to play them at the start of the season? Knowing are luck we will be scheduled to play all 4 of these teams early on and then end up kicking our heels with the resulting fixture congestion later on in the season.
Shouldn't they just be scheduled to play each other ?

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Re: Fixtures

Post by ClaretTony » Mon Aug 10, 2020 11:14 am

Conroysleftfoot wrote:
Mon Aug 10, 2020 10:59 am
It will be interesting to see what they do about the fixtures for Chelsea, Man U, Man City and Wolves. If, has been mentioned, they give them extra time after their 'exertions ' in the finals of the 2 European competitions to recover, what happens to the teams that will be supposed to play them at the start of the season? Knowing are luck we will be scheduled to play all 4 of these teams early on and then end up kicking our heels with the resulting fixture congestion later on in the season.
You would hope that they would sensibly ensure no club has to play more than one of them in those opening rounds of fixtures

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Re: Fixtures

Post by Conroysleftfoot » Mon Aug 10, 2020 12:03 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Mon Aug 10, 2020 11:14 am
You would hope that they would sensibly ensure no club has to play more than one of them in those opening rounds of fixtures
Trouble is where does sensible come in to Premier League thinking?

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Post by Dyched » Mon Aug 10, 2020 12:10 pm

Conroysleftfoot wrote:
Mon Aug 10, 2020 10:59 am
It will be interesting to see what they do about the fixtures for Chelsea, Man U, Man City and Wolves. If, has been mentioned, they give them extra time after their 'exertions ' in the finals of the 2 European competitions to recover, what happens to the teams that will be supposed to play them at the start of the season? Knowing are luck we will be scheduled to play all 4 of these teams early on and then end up kicking our heels with the resulting fixture congestion later on in the season.
If that was the case and we say kicked off 3 weeks later it could work in our favour. More of a proper preseason, more time for any new signings to settle in properly. A wouldn’t have thought 3-4 delayed games would cause to much trouble in a 9 month season.

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Post by ClaretTony » Mon Aug 10, 2020 12:11 pm

Conroysleftfoot wrote:
Mon Aug 10, 2020 12:03 pm
Trouble is where does sensible come in to Premier League thinking?
A lot when it comes to the fixtures to be fair

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Post by StuffyClaret » Mon Aug 10, 2020 12:13 pm

Eyres_11 wrote:
Mon Aug 10, 2020 10:08 am
I aint paying £5/£10 per home game as well as my season ticket.

looking forward to seeing how the club deal with game by game refunds especially if some done on a ballot.
I think you are probably missing the point. If you are a season ticket holder, you will (probably) be getting reimbursed for those matches behind closed doors so £5/£10 to watch the game will actually represent a saving.

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Post by NewClaret » Mon Aug 10, 2020 12:56 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Mon Aug 10, 2020 9:30 am
Late next week
Thanks CT.

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Re: Fixtures

Post by NewClaret » Mon Aug 10, 2020 1:03 pm

Out of interest, what will everyone look for as being a “good” fixture list? This year for me it would be:

- home game to start
- couple of “winnable” games to start - not City, Liverpool, etc.
- to play the European clubs shortly after their return, after we’ve played a few.
- balanced season with the tougher teams spread evenly, unlike January (albeit did very well in as it happens)
- The CL clubs during the latter part of the season (Feb to May), when they’re in the latter stages.

Don’t ask for much really :lol:

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Post by huw.Y.WattfromWare » Mon Aug 10, 2020 1:16 pm

Dyched wrote:
Mon Aug 10, 2020 12:10 pm
If that was the case and we say kicked off 3 weeks later it could work in our favour. More of a proper preseason, more time for any new signings to settle in properly. A wouldn’t have thought 3-4 delayed games would cause to much trouble in a 9 month season.
They shouldn’t need a full pre-season, they’ve only just finished the last. Historically games/points behind can lead to trouble. Rovers got relegated after the polio outbreak in Blackburn.
It also means an extra 4 mid-week games and I believe they are maintaining the international breaks. They could end up legless playing teams that are rested.

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Post by BenWickes » Mon Aug 10, 2020 3:45 pm

NewClaret wrote:
Mon Aug 10, 2020 1:03 pm
Out of interest, what will everyone look for as being a “good” fixture list? This year for me it would be:

- home game to start
- couple of “winnable” games to start - not City, Liverpool, etc.
- to play the European clubs shortly after their return, after we’ve played a few.
- balanced season with the tougher teams spread evenly, unlike January (albeit did very well in as it happens)
- The CL clubs during the latter part of the season (Feb to May), when they’re in the latter stages.

Don’t ask for much really :lol:
Well. If the likes of Chelsea and City are getting extended breaks. I'd rather play them early before they get into full flow. If we've got two/three games head start on them. We stand more chance of getting some sort of result.
West Ham, Everton, Fulham or WBA at home for the first game. Any of those 3/4 away in the opening few games before having City at home for their first game.
Would prefer to play Liverpool and CIty away in February time 'ish.

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Re: Fixtures

Post by Whitgord » Mon Aug 10, 2020 4:46 pm

Anybody, anywhere and any time. Just bring them on.

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Re: Fixtures

Post by groove » Mon Aug 10, 2020 5:10 pm

We don't really need fixture lists for next season. We can just use the TV guide. I've looked forward to the fixtures being released every summer since 1983, check who we've got first, pick out the good away days, check the Xmas and Easter fixtures, see who we play nearest my birthday. But not this year, if all we've got to look forward to are televised games the fixture list doesn't really matter. I'll just check the TV guide like I'm looking for any decent upcoming films or anything else that catches the eye. That's where we're at.

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Re: Fixtures

Post by Paul Waine » Mon Aug 10, 2020 5:13 pm

Conroysleftfoot wrote:
Mon Aug 10, 2020 10:59 am
It will be interesting to see what they do about the fixtures for Chelsea, Man U, Man City and Wolves. If, has been mentioned, they give them extra time after their 'exertions ' in the finals of the 2 European competitions to recover, what happens to the teams that will be supposed to play them at the start of the season? Knowing are luck we will be scheduled to play all 4 of these teams early on and then end up kicking our heels with the resulting fixture congestion later on in the season.
Hasn't it been said that teams need minimum 30 days break. So, Chelsea have started theirs after Bayern defeat. It's possible that both ManU and Wolves will be on their end of season breaks after tomorrow's games. It maybe just City taking it to the last game. Premier League will know where they stand by the end of the week.

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Re: Fixtures

Post by ClaretTony » Mon Aug 10, 2020 6:30 pm

huw.Y.WattfromWare wrote:
Mon Aug 10, 2020 1:16 pm
They shouldn’t need a full pre-season, they’ve only just finished the last. Historically games/points behind can lead to trouble. Rovers got relegated after the polio outbreak in Blackburn.
It also means an extra 4 mid-week games and I believe they are maintaining the international breaks. They could end up legless playing teams that are rested.
The first international break is before the season starts

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Re: Fixtures

Post by andyh » Mon Aug 10, 2020 6:38 pm

On paper the worst set of fixtures we’ve had was when we finished 7th. We were away at Chelsea and played most of the top teams away in the early fixtures sprinkled with a couple of tough home matches. As it panned out we beat Chelsea and got points all over the place in those “tough” matches.

You play everyone twice. Playing the top teams and avoiding the newly promoted teams in the first few matches would be my preference.

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