Poor Spelling / Grammar

[FactualFrank]

where language and it’s use is changing irreversibly towards programming languages.

Is it?

I've done programming and work with HTML coding, and apart from words such as Color, the use of the English language doesn't appear to be changing at all towards programming languages.

It does appear to be changing more towards text speak and shortening of words though with words the Oxford English Dictionary is adding.

[spadesclaret]

When I was an 'infant' in the late 1950s I was taught that 'show' and 'shew' are two ways of spelling what we now use as 'show' in both instances. 'Show' was used for such things as 'Barrowford Show' or 'The Morecambe and Wise Show', whereas 'shew' was as in 'shew me what you have done'. 'Shew' is pronounced the same way as 'show'. My dictionary tells me that 'shew' is an archaic form of 'show' but I still use it sometimes because that's what Miss Fisher said I should do!

In Norfolk dialect the word 'shew' is used as the past participle of the verb 'to show'. It is pronounced 'shoo'. e.g. She shew me how to make good gravy.

[FactualFrank]

However, the one that really sets my teeth on edge is the use of 'that' instead of 'who' when talking about people -

The player 'that' scored the first goal... The person 'that' lent me a programme...

Not sure if I've used that on here, but it's things like this that you learn from. If I ever think of writing that, I'll remember what you posted.

I used to spell it as definately - my sister randomly commented that it was definitely, and this was 10-15 years ago - I now always spell it correctly.

[Im_not_Robbie_Blake]

Teacher: Your son spells appallingly.
Parent: Oh that's wonderful. What a clever child!

[Im_not_Robbie_Blake]

Don't forget the power of the comma:

Let's eat, Grandma
Let's eat Grandma

[BennyD]

My Huawei phone has transformed my life. What previously took 2 minutes to type out now takes 10 minutes!

It's in a world of its own.

That’s because the Chinese Intelligence Services are logging every word you write.

[BennyD]

In Norfolk dialect the word 'shew' is used as the past participle of the verb 'to show'. It is pronounced 'shoo'. e.g. She shew me how to make good gravy.

The result of centuries of in-breeding.

[Vino blanco]

"She shew me how to make good gravy" is not a use of the past participle: it is simply the past preterite tense. The past participle is not a tense, it is a form of the verb used with 'have' or 'had' to indicate and action carried out on the past, ie, after she had SHOWN me to make good gravy, or in your case 'after she had shewn (or shewed me) me to make good gravy'.

[BacupClaret]

One that really grinds my gears, and I've seen it a lot recently, is DOSE instead of DOES! Wtf! It's a 4 letter word for heaven's sake!

[Bin Ont Turf]

However, the one that really sets my teeth on edge is the use of 'that' instead of 'who' when talking about people -

The player 'that' scored the first goal... The person 'that' lent me a programme...

I know I'm bad for that.

I think it's me just being lazy really.

[keith1879]

I totally agree with FF.

But....here's a bit of food for thought....

I cnduo't bvleiee taht I culod aulaclty uesdtannrd waht I was rdnaieg. Unisg the icndeblire pweor of the hmuan mnid, aocdcrnig to rseecrah at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it dseno't mttaer in waht oderr the lterets in a wrod are, the olny irpoamtnt tihng is taht the frsit and lsat ltteer be in the rhgit pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it whoutit a pboerlm. Tihs is bucseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey ltteer by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Aaznmig, huh? Yaeh and I awlyas tghhuot slelinpg was ipmorantt!

To me this proves the opposite of what it suggests. Yes...I can read and understand it but it takes much longer than if it was correctly spelt and additionally I would be very doubtful about trusting the content of such a message. (Yes --- boring I know).

[Foulthrow]

I think linguistically language is ever evolving. Take 'ye' as an example, the old way of spelling 'the'. I think this is just the evolution of language in a digital age.

I have a friend who is a teacher and when we texts it's like speaking to someone without any concept of the English language so I don't think it has any correlation to intelligence/academic ability.

I don’t think that ‘Ye’ was ever the old spelling of ‘the’. I yink it was because, in ye early days of printing, it was cheaper for one letter than two and ‘y’ became a cheaper way of putting ‘th’.

[Foulthrow]

Don't forget the power of the comma:

Let's eat, Grandma
Let's eat Grandma

Here’s one for B#st@rd fans;

“I was helping my uncle, Jack, off a horse.” (Non Blackburn version)

Blackburn version = “I was helping my uncle jack off a horse.”

[FactualFrank]

Here’s one for B#st@rd fans;

“I was helping my uncle, Jack, off a horse.” (Non Blackburn version)

Blackburn version = “I was helping my uncle jack off a horse.”

Well that took more posts than I expected. I knew somebody would post it

[Danieljwaterhouse]

Is it?

I've done programming and work with HTML coding, and apart from words such as Color, the use of the English language doesn't appear to be changing at all towards programming languages.

It does appear to be changing more towards text speak and shortening of words though with words the Oxford English Dictionary is adding.

You’re looking through your lens, look through the lens of a four year old that’s being taught to code, or the seven year old that’s given a Raspberry PI to play with for their homework.

There’s always been computer natives and commuter immigrants but that gap is going to exponentially widen in the next ten years.

[SalisburyClaret]

He - an old way of spelling the???

What rubbish is this - ye is still common parlance in rural areas of the UK and very common in Ireland and has nothing to do with “the”

[Vino blanco]

The use of ye in early and Middle English has two different usages. In the Middle Ages ye was used as a spelling for 'the', as in ye olde shoppe. The y in this case is the old/Middle English letter called the 'thorn' and was pronounced as the modern 'th' , therefore 'ye olde shoppe' was pronounced more like the Modern English 'the'.
The ye when used in expressions like 'ye of little faith' is the old English plural of thou meaning you. This is similar to the German du and its plural ihr, or the Spanish tu and its plural vosotros.

[Bosscat]

The use of ye in early and Middle English has two different usages. In the Middle Ages ye was used as a spelling for 'the', as in ye olde shoppe. The y in this case is the old/Middle English letter called the 'thorn' and was pronounced as the modern 'th' , therefore 'ye olde shoppe' was pronounced more like the Modern English 'the'.
The ye when used in expressions like 'ye of little faith' is the old English plural of thou meaning you. This is similar to the German du and its plural ihr, or the Spanish tu and its plural vosotros.

Educashunal or what

Nice one Vb

[dsr]

My mother can get mildly irritated when I copy my late Grandmother's pronunciation of reservoir as "reservoy". It is a lot easier to say, to be fair.

(Mind you, her hearing has gone so far downhill that she probably can't tell the difference any more. Thank heavens for lip reading. Down with masks! )

[Quicknick]

I think most people offering their views on a public forum - even on here - should have the manners to present their argument as accurately as possible.
If you're not sure of a word, take the time to look it up and learn it - I still have to stop and think about "separate", I don't why, I can spell extremely well but that one's in a blind spot.

Unless there were some kind of special circumstances or his or her story involved an incredibly clever idea involving text-speak, that tale of a kid using text-speak and getting a C+ is absolute shite.

Yes, desperate, separate. I always mentally picture them when I write.

[BenWickes]

I have a friend of 30 years who is Scottish, so is not the easiest to understand when he's speaking. He types as he speaks in txt and even on social media. Can't understand what he types either.
I prefer to text in correct English and type in correct English and be as grammatically correct as possible. Strange thing is even my Mum, who is 75 uses text speak. Drives me nuts!

[claretonthecoast1882]

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[BFCmaj]

Less instead of fewer
There’s instead of there are
Haitch instead of aitch

[Midmoorclaret]

One I see frequently is the use of the word 'then' when the writer means 'than'. Eg. "It's better then the other."

[JohnMac]

That’s because the Chinese Intelligence Services are logging every word you write.

I call my personal mistake maker Mr Wau

[Sausage]

People who say expedentially when they mean exponentially.

Not quite grammatical, but annoying nonetheless, is the phrase "the proof is in the pudding" which makes absolutely no sense. The correct phrase is "the proof of the pudding is in the eating" which means something cannot be declared to be a success until it has been tried and tested.

[durhamclaret]

None Members instead of Non Members!

[BFCmaj]

Non members instead of non-members

[BennyD]

What kind of dickless idiot would make that mistake?

[Gordaleman]

When I was an 'infant' in the late 1950s I was taught that 'show' and 'shew' are two ways of spelling what we now use as 'show' in both instances. 'Show' was used for such things as 'Barrowford Show' or 'The Morecambe and Wise Show', whereas 'shew' was as in 'shew me what you have done'. 'Shew' is pronounced the same way as 'show'. My dictionary tells me that 'shew' is an archaic form of 'show' but I still use it sometimes because that's what Miss Fisher said I should do!

"two ways of spelling what we now use" I think that you'll find that you should have said," two ways of spelling that we now use."

[Vino blanco]

"Two ways of spelling what we now use as show" is fine. A more formal way would be to use "that which" but "what" is now accepted as an alternative.

[aggi]

The interesting thing is that the grammar taught to schoolchildren is actually pretty in depth, much more so than I remember when I was young. This is the grammar paper for an eleven year old in the SATS http://www.satspapers.org/SATs%20papers ... stions.pdf

I would say that predictive text and spell check can make you very lazy. My spelling has worsened over the years as everything is autocorrected anyway. However, if you don't know what should be there anyway when you do get into the situation of your/you're and the like.

[KateR]

You didn't finish your last sentence Aggi, or did you? Be interested to know what the punchline is, intuitively it just feels like very poorly formed grammar and leaves the reader, or this one anyway, puzzled

Predictive and spell check have been wonderful for me in regard to this interesting subject line but then again some of you might have guessed that.

[Im_not_Robbie_Blake]

"two ways of spelling what we now use" I think that you'll find that you should have said," two ways of spelling that we now use."

Nonsense. Read the whole sentence and you'll see that I used the correct words (....what we now use as....etc)

[Gordaleman]

Nonsense. Read the whole sentence and you'll see that I used the correct words (....what we now use as....etc)

Sorry but you're still wrong. If you can't accept it, that's fine.

[Ric_C]

People who get lose and loose mixed up.

"We'd better not loose tomorrow"

"At least we're not loosing to the likes of ..."

I just don't get it, they are entirely different words which sound totally different. But the amount of times I see it, especially on social media, does my head in.

I must admit though, a post the other week saying someone was "anchoring after a move" did make me laugh

[FactualFrank]

People who get lose and loose mixed up.

Yep, I see that a lot.

[gawthorpe_view]

Their,
There,
They're.

[Redbeard]

the amount of times I see it

The number of times...

[Vino blanco]

Gordaleman, imnotrobblieblake's use of 'what' in that sense is correct, as I said in an earlier post.

[Vintage Claret]

I once went out with an English teacher.

She was very good at spelling and grammar and her pet hate was any improper use of the colon.

[Gordaleman]

Gordaleman, imnotrobblieblake's use of 'what' in that sense is correct, as I said in an earlier post.

"When I was an 'infant' in the late 1950s I was taught that 'show' and 'shew' are two ways of spelling what we now use as 'show' in both instances."

Looking at the original sentence above, I'm still conviced that 'That' would be more accurate, but maybe it's an occasion where either could be used depending on context.

[Vino blanco]

"What" is fine in this context

[Im_not_Robbie_Blake]

Thank you, Vb!

[Croydon Claret]

I remember a job application being received whereby the applicant said that he had a "Sitting Guilds" qualification

[spadesclaret]

I remember a job application being received whereby the applicant said that he had a "Sitting Guilds" qualification

This reminds me of when I was teaching a class of 8-year-olds. One little boy asked me how to spell 'fryper'. Not understanding, I asked him to repeat it. Again, the word sounded like 'fryper'. Trying to make some sort of sense of this, I asked him to tell me the whole sentence he was writing. This is what he said -

"Last night we had fryper tatoes for our tea."

I have never eaten fried potatoes since then, only frypers.

[Rileybobs]

I've noticed quite a few people on here say 'you was' or 'we was'.

[rob63]

On another thread I've just noticed someone use seen instead of seeing, as in, seeing as we have an alternative

[BurnleyFC]

Undoubtably.
Upmost.

[KateR]

it really does keep me awake at nights like so many on here, no honestly, what are you laughing at, this is such a serious subject for some people I'll have you know!!