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Re: Pope’s replacemt

Post by tim_noone » Sun Aug 02, 2020 10:56 pm

Theres a good Lad that plays for Hamilton..

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Re: Pope’s replacemt

Post by SalisburyClaret » Sun Aug 02, 2020 11:03 pm

BPF is Pope’s replacement- it’s well known - what’s the issue?

Pope isn’t going anywhere unless we pocket the best part of £100m

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Re: Pope’s replacemt

Post by Vegas Claret » Mon Aug 03, 2020 2:39 am

SalisburyClaret wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 11:03 pm
BPF is Pope’s replacement- it’s well known - what’s the issue?

Pope isn’t going anywhere unless we pocket the best part of £100m
I think it's reasonable to expect between 50-60 for him, with respect I'm not sure he is worth close to 100 million though

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Re: Pope’s replacemt

Post by BenWickes » Mon Aug 03, 2020 5:31 am

Realistically speaking we should already be looking at a keeper seeing as we have lost Hart and Legzdins. I have mentioned Krul several times recently. Other options could be Etheridge, Butland, Foster, Ramsdale. How about Brice Samba at Forest? 26 and highly rated.

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Re: Pope’s replacemt

Post by DanH90 » Mon Aug 03, 2020 7:29 am

SalisburyClaret wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 11:03 pm
BPF is Pope’s replacement- it’s well known - what’s the issue?

Pope isn’t going anywhere unless we pocket the best part of £100m
I hope this is true, but if I were Pope and had a genuine desire to become England number 1, and a top 4 club playing Champions League football would be a huge pull for me, it is the only way he is going to oust Pickford from what I can see, he certainly won’t be number 1 playing for ‘little old Burnley.’

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Re: Pope’s replacemt

Post by NewClaret » Mon Aug 03, 2020 9:12 am

SalisburyClaret wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 11:03 pm
BPF is Pope’s replacement- it’s well known - what’s the issue?

Pope isn’t going anywhere unless we pocket the best part of £100m
Wouldn’t really object to that, but it would be a risk heading in to a new PL season with a GK with no PL experience. We’d need a back up at least.

I agree we should be holding out for absolute top dollar for Pope. When you see what other clubs sell their dross for, we should be holding out for big money for a proven great keeper.

I think the best way for this team to “push on”, by which I mean become a more established top 6-10 team, would be to keep this tight knit squad together and supplement with one or two quality additions. Hoping the shorter window and quick turnaround increases our chances of that happening.

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Re: Pope’s replacemt

Post by ClaretMov » Mon Aug 03, 2020 9:54 am

conyoviejo wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 7:47 pm
Heatons on his way back.

Bloody hope not

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Re: Pope’s replacemt

Post by ClaretMov » Mon Aug 03, 2020 9:56 am

Sell Pope for 80 million if we are forced to

Bring in Aaron Ramsdale for 20 million

Or one of the two keepers from Brentford's David Raya or Fulham's Marek Rodak who don't win promotion via the playoffs
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Re: Pope’s replacemt

Post by fidelcastro » Mon Aug 03, 2020 10:04 am

ClaretMov wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 9:54 am
Bloody hope not
Why would that be a bad thing?

Unless you mean his injury?

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Re: Pope’s replacemt

Post by ClaretMov » Mon Aug 03, 2020 10:07 am

"Why would that be a bad thing?"

Injury prone

Weakness at getting down to his left (see above)

Past it IMHO

His wage at Villa is 100k a week, will he drop 50% to come back.....NO

His age 34.....Would we pay Several million for him

Lack of games over the last three season, only played 43 out of a possible 144
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Re: Pope’s replacemt

Post by ClaretAndBlue94 » Mon Aug 03, 2020 10:09 am

I think we have a good goalkeeper in BPF. Only issue is the lack of PL games.

I remember being nervous when Pope came on to make his debut (without much first team experience for us) and look how that turned out.

I also thought the crowd did an excellent job of backing Pope when he entered the pitch. Shame that isn't available to BPF when the season resumes.

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Re: Pope’s replacemt

Post by fidelcastro » Mon Aug 03, 2020 10:12 am

ClaretMov wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 10:07 am
"Why would that be a bad thing?"

Injury prone

Weakness at getting down to his left (see above)

Past it IMHO

His wage at Villa is 100k a week, will he drop 50% to come back.....NO
No idea on his wages, but his form didn’t suffer after he had the shoulder injury here. The same injury that Pope has had incidentally.

He doesn't have a weakness getting down to his left either.

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Re: Pope’s replacemt

Post by ClaretMov » Mon Aug 03, 2020 10:14 am

"He doesn't have a weakness getting down to his left either"

Lol are you joking, watch his games since injury, he goes down in instalments now

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Re: Pope’s replacemt

Post by ClaretMov » Mon Aug 03, 2020 10:17 am

ClaretAndBlue94 wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 10:09 am
I think we have a good goalkeeper in BPF. Only issue is the lack of PL games.

I remember being nervous when Pope came on to make his debut (without much first team experience for us) and look how that turned out.

I also thought the crowd did an excellent job of backing Pope when he entered the pitch. Shame that isn't available to BPF when the season resumes.

Lack of fan's could equal lack of pressure on him so could equally work like when the fan's got behind Pope.

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Re: Pope’s replacemt

Post by fidelcastro » Mon Aug 03, 2020 10:20 am

ClaretMov wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 10:14 am
"He doesn't have a weakness getting down to his left either"

Lol are you joking, watch his games since injury, he goes down in instalments now
Utter rubbish.

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Re: Pope’s replacemt

Post by gandhisflipflop » Mon Aug 03, 2020 11:07 am

tiger76 wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 10:26 pm
Butland's not a bad shout as it goes, he's only got a year on his contract, and if Stoke need to trim their wage bill he'll be one they'll be looking to possibly move on, and surely his confidence will be raised by a PL club coming in for him, plus he's only 27 which for a keeper is a spring chicken.
Has the symmetry of Brian Clough when he signed a 27 year old goalkeeper from a relegated Stoke whose confidence was shot at and was once highly rated. His name? Peter Shilton.
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Re: Pope’s replacemt

Post by Quickenthetempo » Mon Aug 03, 2020 11:20 am

If we get a lot of cash from Chelsea and Dyche deems BFP not good enough.

I wouldn't mind using a bit to get Romero from United.

He seems a little disgruntled playing back up now especially with Henderson looking to overtake him in the pecking order.

Get him in and some prem games played.

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Re: Pope’s replacemt

Post by Fretters » Mon Aug 03, 2020 11:40 am

We should keep Nick on the assumption he'll oust the terrible Pickford and be England's number 1 over the next season (and the Euros), pushing his value up even further.

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Re: Pope’s replacemt

Post by summitclaret » Mon Aug 03, 2020 11:53 am

£50m plus and he is a goner. We need the money to strengthen the team. Atm £50m is just not something we can afford to turn down. There are plenty of adequate keepers around that would jump at the chance of PL football and to play behind our defense.

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Re: Pope’s replacemt

Post by Burnley Ace » Mon Aug 03, 2020 11:57 am

How much will Chelsea get for Kappa? Not sure they can afford an £70m swing.

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Re: Pope’s replacemt

Post by Granny WeatherWax » Mon Aug 03, 2020 12:05 pm

summitclaret wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 11:53 am
£50m plus and he is a goner. We need the money to strengthen the team. Atm £50m is just not something we can afford to turn down. There are plenty of adequate keepers around that would jump at the chance of PL football and to play behind our defense.
Agreed, unfortunately. Very little chance we would turn down 50m plus.

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Re: Pope’s replacemt

Post by wilks_bfc » Mon Aug 03, 2020 12:11 pm

All speculation at the moment obviously but if Pope was to go I wouldn’t be adverse to us going in for Krul

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Re: Pope’s replacemt

Post by Clarets4me » Mon Aug 03, 2020 12:15 pm

Claret Toni wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 10:48 pm
Agree - with the added benefit of several ex Stoke players at the club and recently left the club should be able to provide the all important character references. Just saying 'cos a few questionable characters at Stoke during their relegation, so it is said.
I read a profile piece a while ago about Stoke and their England goalkeepers, Banks, Shilton and Butland ..... It was whilst Stoke were still in the EPL, there was a tale of an over zealous security-man blocking Gordon Banks from seeing Butland, ( not knowing who he was ). Butland had a very courteous quiet word with him, and told him that " Any time Mr Banks wants to talk to me, please let him straight through " ...

Only one tale, but seems like our " sort of chap " !! ;)

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Re: Pope’s replacemt

Post by BennyD » Mon Aug 03, 2020 12:50 pm

warksclaret wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 9:04 pm
Whats great about Pope but not so for Burnley is that he had such a great post lockdown that many pundits are saying he is now England's No 1 choice. This has alerted a number of top clubs.On a positive his value has recently to such a high level, none of us can accurately predict his true value

However with goaies a run of poor form and you are either forgotten by the media or slated.A good example is Butland
Who?

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Re: Pope’s replacemt

Post by Awayfromburnley » Mon Aug 03, 2020 12:59 pm

As a good Catholic lad this thread caught my eye, especially after reading the article below.


https://news.sky.com/story/former-pope- ... s-12041469

The current Pope is a replacement. Nick Pope's replacement will have his work cut out.

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Re: Pope’s replacemt

Post by cockneyclaret » Mon Aug 03, 2020 1:02 pm

Money and Conor Gallagher for Pope would be a fair shout.. should we decide to sell

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Re: Pope’s replacemt

Post by Gordaleman » Mon Aug 03, 2020 1:25 pm

What's 'The Beast' doing these days?


Joke.

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Re: Pope’s replacemt

Post by fidelcastro » Mon Aug 03, 2020 1:27 pm

Gordaleman wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 1:25 pm
What's 'The Beast' doing these days?


Joke.
Still trying to organise his testimonial.

:D

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Re: Pope’s replacemt

Post by houseboy » Mon Aug 03, 2020 1:54 pm

If all the rumours of our players leaving were true we'd lose half the bloody team and then Dyche would clear off in despair. After that it wouldn't matter who was in goal we'd be back in the Championship. Mcneil, Pope, Wood, Tarks and Mee have all been touted fairly recently, it never ends for a club like ours.
Seriously guys I have stopped even looking at reports connecting our players to other sides (including our beloved manager). If and when they happen we just take it on the chin and move on...no point discussing what hasn't happened in my opinion.
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Re: Pope’s replacemt

Post by Conroysleftfoot » Mon Aug 03, 2020 2:04 pm

cockneyclaret wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 1:02 pm
Money and Conor Gallagher for Pope would be a fair shout.. should we decide to sell
I second that.

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Re: Pope’s replacemt

Post by pureclaret » Mon Aug 03, 2020 2:20 pm

whats the beast doing now?
hes in our under 23 and looks ok and with stadiums quiet you would here him up Brunshaw for sure

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Re: Pope’s replacemt

Post by AshevilleNCClaret » Mon Aug 03, 2020 2:27 pm

There is no way that Pope is leaving for Chelsea. The top 6 all want to play out of the back, and there are only a couple of keepers in the PL that can actually do that..... and Pope is not one of them, nor do I think he can become one of them.

He fits into our squad perfectly.

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Re: Pope’s replacemt

Post by bfcmik » Mon Aug 03, 2020 2:54 pm

AshevilleNCClaret wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 2:27 pm
There is no way that Pope is leaving for Chelsea. The top 6 all want to play out of the back, and there are only a couple of keepers in the PL that can actually do that..... and Pope is not one of them, nor do I think he can become one of them.

He fits into our squad perfectly.
Have you watched us since the restart? Pope has been passing or throwing the ball out either to the full backs or into Westwood or Brownhill if they drop back into space. Going long may not always be his own choice, we are not really quick enough when being pressed from the front - either speed wise or in moving the ball around - to play that roll out from the back too often. Against teams who haven't got a big press up front, such as Norwich, Palace and Brighton we saw lots of throws and passes to Bardsley and Taylor/Pieters/McNiel

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Re: Pope’s replacemt

Post by AshevilleNCClaret » Mon Aug 03, 2020 3:01 pm

bfcmik wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 2:54 pm
Have you watched us since the restart? Pope has been passing or throwing the ball out either to the full backs or into Westwood or Brownhill if they drop back into space. Going long may not always be his own choice, we are not really quick enough when being pressed from the front - either speed wise or in moving the ball around - to play that roll out from the back too often. Against teams who haven't got a big press up front, such as Norwich, Palace and Brighton we saw lots of throws and passes to Bardsley and Taylor/Pieters/McNiel
Pope has been using the outlets to defenders more, but I was thinking that "playing out of the back" is basically utilizing the goal keeper as an extra outfield player, and frankly only Allison and Ederson seem capable of doing that. Arsenal tried it this year and was absolutely terrible...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61IU9d1-SBM

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Re: Pope’s replacemt

Post by dsr » Mon Aug 03, 2020 3:03 pm

AshevilleNCClaret wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 2:27 pm
There is no way that Pope is leaving for Chelsea. The top 6 all want to play out of the back, and there are only a couple of keepers in the PL that can actually do that..... and Pope is not one of them, nor do I think he can become one of them.

He fits into our squad perfectly.
Pope's well capable of receiving the ball in space and passing it to someone else in space. Not so good at receiving the ball under pressure and playing the inch-perfect pass a foot away from the approaching forward, perhaps; but how many teams want their goalkeeper to do that?

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Re: Pope’s replacemt

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Mon Aug 03, 2020 3:05 pm

AshevilleNCClaret wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 2:27 pm
There is no way that Pope is leaving for Chelsea. The top 6 all want to play out of the back, and there are only a couple of keepers in the PL that can actually do that..... and Pope is not one of them, nor do I think he can become one of them.

He fits into our squad perfectly.

Chelsea have just bombed their keeper due to him struggling using his hands, maybe they had got over the weird fad that a keeper being able to ping a ball 50 yards on a sixpence is more important than keeping it out the net.

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Re: Pope’s replacemt

Post by bfcmik » Mon Aug 03, 2020 3:06 pm

AshevilleNCClaret wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 3:01 pm
Pope has been using the outlets to defenders more, but I was thinking that "playing out of the back" is basically utilizing the goal keeper as an extra outfield player, and frankly only Allison and Ederson seem capable of doing that. Arsenal tried it this year and was absolutely terrible...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61IU9d1-SBM
Got you. I have to agree. It is something that those 2 goalkeepers are able to do - though the quality of players in front of them may have made it so much easier for them to do it! Everywhere else it worked much less often than it broke down!

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Re: Pope’s replacemt

Post by DanH90 » Mon Aug 03, 2020 3:17 pm

houseboy wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 1:54 pm
If all the rumours of our players leaving were true we'd lose half the bloody team and then Dyche would clear off in despair. After that it wouldn't matter who was in goal we'd be back in the Championship. Mcneil, Pope, Wood, Tarks and Mee have all been touted fairly recently, it never ends for a club like ours.
Seriously guys I have stopped even looking at reports connecting our players to other sides (including our beloved manager). If and when they happen we just take it on the chin and move on...no point discussing what hasn't happened in my opinion.
Is there any point in a Burnley FC message board during the close season if not to speculate on the potential outgoings/incomings and how we may fill a void should that happen?

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Re: Pope’s replacemt

Post by AshevilleNCClaret » Mon Aug 03, 2020 3:20 pm

bfcmik wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 3:06 pm
Got you. I have to agree. It is something that those 2 goalkeepers are able to do - though the quality of players in front of them may have made it so much easier for them to do it! Everywhere else it worked much less often than it broke down!
i have no idea why teams want to do this.... arsenal self-destructing in the back should be a warning to all clubs....

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Re: Pope’s replacemt

Post by Danieljwaterhouse » Mon Aug 03, 2020 6:27 pm

jdrobbo wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 10:21 pm
I really rate Ramsdale but I’d go for Jack Butland. A very decent keeper who had his confidence shot during Stoke’s relegation from the Premier League, who nobody seems keen on any more. A few weeks with Billy Mercer and he’d be right back at it again.
Like Hart was? The fights gone out of that kid, he’s done.

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Re: Pope’s replacemt

Post by Woodleyclaret » Mon Aug 03, 2020 6:44 pm

Butland and Hart are both busted flushes
Signing Joe was a serious error signing Jack would be as bad
We have young keepers who are worth trusting
Billy Mercer is the best keeper coach in the country and will be able to add any up and coming keepers to his splendid success record
Bailey PF is already an international but can still improve

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Re: Pope’s replacemt

Post by houseboy » Tue Aug 04, 2020 12:56 am

DanH90 wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 3:17 pm
Is there any point in a Burnley FC message board during the close season if not to speculate on the potential outgoings/incomings and how we may fill a void should that happen?
Absolutely no problem with speculation bud...I just can’t be bothered with it personally. The only argument I have against it (and this is not aimed at you bud) is when some people start talking as though a player has already left. It’s a kind of masochistic approach to football I think. You’ll see what I mean before the new season starts. Anyway welcome to the board my friend.
By the way the close season usually brings the best out of people on here, with some good (and bad) music threads and a few comic ones. Join in the fun (but have a thick skin). 🤣
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Re: Pope’s replacemt

Post by AfloatinClaret » Tue Aug 04, 2020 10:03 am

pureclaret wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 2:20 pm
whats the beast doing now? hes in our under 23 and looks ok and with stadiums quiet you would here him up Brunshaw for sure
What's the correct term for a young beast; cub, puppy, kitten, calf?

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Re: Pope’s replacemt

Post by AlargeClaret » Tue Aug 04, 2020 10:22 am

Butland is a cracking keeper and still young ,though hopefully Pope stays .Truth be told the clubs who Pope would thrive at probs won’t have the bottle to play him 1st choice

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Re: Pope’s replacemt

Post by Claret Toni » Tue Aug 04, 2020 7:49 pm

Much comment about Pope not being the best footballing goalkeeper, but I'd venture the view that Chelsea have a much more pressing need that Pope could help solve.

They are dire at dealing with the high ball and Pope is the best in the Prem, and possibly the world at that.

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