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Have we little choice but to try and do our business "last minute"

Post by s6t9a2f3f » Wed Aug 05, 2020 6:49 pm

With us not having the pull to just go and get what we want/need at will do we just have to sit and be patient and see what drops from the tree ? With covid I am sure more clubs will have reduced their transfer/wages budgets and will have to look at players within our range its going to be very tricky to stay under the radar.
Will any potential player want assurances from SD that he's intending to stay around ?

Going to be interesting how this shorten pre season plays out.

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Post by bobinho » Wed Aug 05, 2020 7:17 pm

Be last minute.... not our choice. Any agent worth his salt will be advising his client not to sign for us early. Simple case of numbers really.

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Post by jurek » Wed Aug 05, 2020 7:24 pm

Not feeling very confident we'll go out and get what we want/need.

If we did and managed to bring someone half decent in then
it would certainly keep the fans happy and with something to look forward too.

However, it is more than likely that we shall leave it
until the last minute and lose out on some of our targets

Can't see much beyond that or before then.
Possible one signing and a few loan signings at best.

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Post by Bfcboyo » Wed Aug 05, 2020 7:30 pm

Can we just bulk the squad up with some good prospects from prem reserves, relegated champ clubs league one and league 2 if necessary . Even if they need to br loaned out in champ for a bit. It's worked before.

I want some more Mee , Tripps , keanes , Popes , Austin's, McNeils, Tarkowskis , Ings , Grays , Westwoods it may take 2 seasons to bring a few even into contention but we can't clearly just wait for diamonds like McNeil to come through nor do we have the clout for many ready made 1st team players in abundance.

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Post by ClaretTony » Wed Aug 05, 2020 7:35 pm

Different sort of window this time in a different kind of close season but one thing is likely to remain the same in that we will need to be patient.
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Post by bfccrazy » Wed Aug 05, 2020 7:46 pm

I remember reading somewhere that some clubs like to make signings late on to avoid paying wages for the month or so from signing when no games are played.

If we sign 4 players of 40k a week. That’s half a mil we could save in wages by signing them a month later in the window.

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Post by warksclaret » Wed Aug 05, 2020 7:58 pm

I suspect our acquisitions will be from two camps. The first camp which will happen first-experienced, in their twilight years, like we have in the past with the likes of Hart, Pieters, Ward, Bardsley, and to some degree Jay Rod. In this group SD will value their experience, personality,character, squad depth etc

The second group will be more stella (hopefully) where we have to battle hard, prise them to Turf Moor and pay the asking price.These will probably happen in the last 48 hours of the window

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Post by NewClaret » Wed Aug 05, 2020 8:08 pm

I suspect in demand players will not be released early by their clubs who seek to hold out for the highest possible fee and create a bidding war.

We all know we’re unlikely to be competitive in that market, or any players first choice, so we have to wait until the other deals are done to see who’s still available.

Suspect this would be a tad easier if we raided foreign clubs and worked on deals during the season, but that’s just not our style.

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Post by Whitgord » Wed Aug 05, 2020 8:48 pm

Most players need to take a good look at themselves if they don’t want to come to Burnley (and play for a top ten premier league club). They aren’t going to get much better unless they are in the top 100 or so of world players.

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Post by Quickenthetempo » Wed Aug 05, 2020 9:21 pm

I think this is the window where it will pay off to do business last minute.
I'm normally in the get them in early camp but not this time.

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Post by MACCA » Wed Aug 05, 2020 9:27 pm

bfccrazy wrote:
Wed Aug 05, 2020 7:46 pm
I remember reading somewhere that some clubs like to make signings late on to avoid paying wages for the month or so from signing when no games are played.

If we sign 4 players of 40k a week. That’s half a mil we could save in wages by signing them a month later in the window.
It sounds so crazy and penny pinching, its probably true.

Can you imagine on missing out on the like of Andy Robertson, Che Adam's etc just to save a couple of hundred grand in wages over the summer.

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Post by fatboy47 » Wed Aug 05, 2020 9:34 pm

MACCA wrote:
Wed Aug 05, 2020 9:27 pm
It sounds so crazy and penny pinching, its probably true.

Can you imagine on missing out on the like of Andy Robertson, Che Adam's etc just to save a couple of hundred grand in wages over the summer.
I quite like the idea of missing out on Che Adams personally.
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Post by dougcollins » Wed Aug 05, 2020 9:48 pm

Early bird gets the worm.

Speaking of which, what happens regarding the 20 - 21 ST already paid for, in full? Do I get priority TM attendance with the other 74 allowed in?

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Post by summitclaret » Wed Aug 05, 2020 10:28 pm

bfccrazy wrote:
Wed Aug 05, 2020 7:46 pm
I remember reading somewhere that some clubs like to make signings late on to avoid paying wages for the month or so from signing when no games are played.

If we sign 4 players of 40k a week. That’s half a mil we could save in wages by signing them a month later in the window.
And then not play them weeks because they are not Dyche fit/need to learn our system. Total waste of relative peanuts. But that is not the reason why we generally sign late. It's because we are still not an attractive proposition to many, relatively.

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Post by Spike » Wed Aug 05, 2020 10:44 pm

It is totally unbelievable that a strategy of only signing players at the end of the transfer window would fit every signing.

Now is the time for Riggings to prove all his doubters wrong

A perfect strategy must surely consist of early and late signings

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Post by agreenwood » Wed Aug 05, 2020 11:10 pm

Hopefully we’ve got a manager by the time the waiting game ends.

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Post by boatshed bill » Wed Aug 05, 2020 11:34 pm

Sounds a bit defeatist to me.
Surely if we have identified targets we may as well stick our bid in.... because any targets we may have will have been notified by their agents of our interest, so they could make the choice to sign or not.

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Post by CombatClaret » Wed Aug 05, 2020 11:38 pm

Spike wrote:
Wed Aug 05, 2020 10:44 pm
It is totally unbelievable that a strategy of only signing players at the end of the transfer window would fit every signing.
It's not a strategy, it's the reality of being Burnley.
Want early deals go support Arsenal or City.

Next time you sell something of value please take the first offer from someone you know is not the richest person interested.
Didn't think so.

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Post by CombatClaret » Wed Aug 05, 2020 11:41 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Wed Aug 05, 2020 11:34 pm
Sounds a bit defeatist to me.
Surely if we have identified targets we may as well stick our bid in.... because any targets we may have will have been notified by their agents of our interest, so they could make the choice to sign or not.
That's very possible.
But no agent worth their salt would tell the player to sign before they have to and not wait to see who else comes in.
And I'd be ringing every other club saying 'Burnley bid X so you'll need to better that.

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Post by boatshed bill » Wed Aug 05, 2020 11:51 pm

CombatClaret wrote:
Wed Aug 05, 2020 11:41 pm
That's very possible.
But no agent worth their salt would tell the player to sign before they have to and not wait to see who else comes in.
And I'd be ringing every other club saying 'Burnley bid X so you'll need to better that.
Yes, that is possibly true. But we are realistically only competing for players who may interest about 6 mid-table clubs.
Sometimes I think we suffer from an inferiority complex; is it because we are a small town club?
We are a serious step up for a good number of players seeking to improve themselves, not a last chance saloon ;)

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Post by Grimsdale » Thu Aug 06, 2020 12:08 am

CombatClaret wrote:
Wed Aug 05, 2020 11:41 pm
That's very possible.
But no agent worth their salt would tell the player to sign before they have to and not wait to see who else comes in.
And I'd be ringing every other club saying 'Burnley bid X so you'll need to better that.
This.

The only way we are going to get a player in early is if we make an offer to the player that the agent knows he won't be able to better anywhere else or if the player really wants to come to Burnley (like Jay last summer). And even then, we still need to agree a fee with the selling club.

I'm sure the club would love to get it's transfer business done early but the reality is we'll very likely have to wait as usual until the mad rush at the end of the window.

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Post by Jakubclaret » Thu Aug 06, 2020 1:12 am

CombatClaret wrote:
Wed Aug 05, 2020 11:41 pm
That's very possible.
But no agent worth their salt would tell the player to sign before they have to and not wait to see who else comes in.
And I'd be ringing every other club saying 'Burnley bid X so you'll need to better that.
Not necessarily true but generally probably accurate, if any said agent as historical good relationships with any said club or friendships with the club's hierarchy, a quiet word in the lughole & a brown envelope could induce an agent to advise his client to go with something that wouldn't necessarily be the best deal for them but would be for the agent.

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Post by superdimitri » Thu Aug 06, 2020 3:03 am

bfccrazy wrote:
Wed Aug 05, 2020 7:46 pm

If we sign 4 players of 40k a week. That’s half a mil we could save in wages by signing them a month later in the window.
Are you Mike Garlick in disguise?
Penny pinching at it's finest. Half a million more is peanuts and should gladly be paid if it means we get our top target.

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Post by MACCA » Thu Aug 06, 2020 7:37 am

fatboy47 wrote:
Wed Aug 05, 2020 9:34 pm
I quite like the idea of missing out on Che Adams personally.
Fair point, I just wonder what further miracles Mr Dyche could work if he actually landed some of his number 1 targets, rather than settling for option E, F and G.

Who knows how different players will perform under different managers and their systems.

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Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Thu Aug 06, 2020 9:14 am

MACCA wrote:
Thu Aug 06, 2020 7:37 am
Fair point, I just wonder what further miracles Mr Dyche could work if he actually landed some of his number 1 targets, rather than settling for option E, F and G.

Who knows how different players will perform under different managers and their systems.
Which players did we sign that weren't his first choice?

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Post by MACCA » Thu Aug 06, 2020 12:47 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Thu Aug 06, 2020 9:14 am
Which players did we sign that weren't his first choice?
That are still here?

Gibson, Vydra and Taylor, but I'm sure there are more.

Itd be more interesting to know of the ones that didnt arrive.

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Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Thu Aug 06, 2020 12:48 pm

MACCA wrote:
Thu Aug 06, 2020 12:47 pm
That are still here?

Gibson, Vydra and Taylor, but I'm sure there are more.

Itd be more interesting to know of the ones that didnt arrive.
How do you know they weren't his first choice though?

I can't recall us being linked with 3 left backs at the same time and ending up with Taylor.
Same with Gibson and Vydra.

We are usually linked with one player for a certain position and we hold out for that one.

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Post by Rowls » Thu Aug 06, 2020 1:06 pm

MACCA wrote:
Thu Aug 06, 2020 12:47 pm
That are still here?

Gibson, Vydra and Taylor, but I'm sure there are more.

Itd be more interesting to know of the ones that didnt arrive.
We were clearly after Taylor for some time. Dyche devoted a large amount of his post match comments after our last league win against Leeds to heaping praise on Charlie Taylor and, to a lesser degree, Chris Wood.

Looks like we did a lot of homework on these two long before they signed for us.

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Post by Grumps » Thu Aug 06, 2020 1:09 pm

MACCA wrote:
Thu Aug 06, 2020 12:47 pm
That are still here?

Gibson, Vydra and Taylor, but I'm sure there are more.

Itd be more interesting to know of the ones that didnt arrive.
Taylor was first choice, the other two quite clearly not.

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Post by MACCA » Thu Aug 06, 2020 1:09 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Thu Aug 06, 2020 12:48 pm
How do you know they weren't his first choice though?

I can't recall us being linked with 3 left backs at the same time and ending up with Taylor.
Same with Gibson and Vydra.

We are usually linked with one player for a certain position and we hold out for that one.
Just because we weren't linked with them in the press doesn't mean they wasn't first choice.

Regards Taylor we were apparently very close to signing Andrew Robertson, we ended up having to switch targets.

Also regards Gibson, we were in for Mowson first from Swansea, and that again very close , then we ended up with Gibson.

I'm sure there are plenty more to go at.

I think we can all agree theyll be very few, if any instances recently where we have landed our number 1 target.
That's just how it works here.
Itd not served us too badly as it, the main man is a miracle worker.

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Post by MACCA » Thu Aug 06, 2020 1:11 pm

Grumps wrote:
Thu Aug 06, 2020 1:09 pm
Taylor was first choice, the other two quite clearly not.
Ah I thought we were after Robertson from Hull, I'm sure those in the know can clarify one way or another.

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Post by Grumps » Thu Aug 06, 2020 1:24 pm

MACCA wrote:
Thu Aug 06, 2020 1:11 pm
Ah I thought we were after Robertson from Hull, I'm sure those in the know can clarify one way or another.
Different time

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Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Thu Aug 06, 2020 1:36 pm

Robertson deal was as good as done with everything agreed until their manager Silva threatened to resign if he was sold.

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Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Thu Aug 06, 2020 1:37 pm

MACCA wrote:
Thu Aug 06, 2020 1:11 pm
Ah I thought we were after Robertson from Hull, I'm sure those in the know can clarify one way or another.
Robertson was the January, very nearly happened but Hull sold the winger to West Ham and then refused to sell us Robertson, or something like that.
There was some right bellendry on here when we didn't get him and he signed for Liverpool instead if I recall rightly.

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Post by Quickenthetempo » Thu Aug 06, 2020 1:39 pm

MACCA wrote:
Thu Aug 06, 2020 1:11 pm
Ah I thought we were after Robertson from Hull, I'm sure those in the know can clarify one way or another.
We had a bid accepted by Hull before getting Taylor from Leeds.

We signed Vydra after not wanting to spend 18m on Jay Rod.

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Post by MACCA » Thu Aug 06, 2020 1:44 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:
Thu Aug 06, 2020 1:39 pm
We had a bid accepted by Hull before getting Taylor from Leeds.

We signed Vydra after not wanting to spend 18m on Jay Rod.
So basically once we figure out if Gibson was gone for after we missed out on Mawson, then that's all 3 I mentioned not being the first choices initially?

Have I understood you correctly there?
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Post by MACCA » Thu Aug 06, 2020 1:45 pm

Grumps wrote:
Thu Aug 06, 2020 1:24 pm
Different time
So we wanted Robertson first, but then moved on to Taylor?

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Post by Gp8419 » Thu Aug 06, 2020 1:59 pm

fatboy47 wrote:
Wed Aug 05, 2020 9:34 pm
I quite like the idea of missing out on Che Adams personally.
Love it some people are never happy with what they have got.he has hardly been productive I don’t think he bagged till nearly season end!

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Post by Grumps » Thu Aug 06, 2020 2:00 pm

Like I said, different time... When Taylor signed he was first choice... At one stage we wanted lansbury, is every midfielder signed after that 2nd choice?
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Post by MACCA » Thu Aug 06, 2020 2:16 pm

Grumps wrote:
Thu Aug 06, 2020 2:00 pm
Like I said, different time... When Taylor signed he was first choice... At one stage we wanted lansbury, is every midfielder signed after that 2nd choice?

Regards Taylor, a couple of journalists thought diffrent, if their sources aren't in the know as much as you, then fair enough.
Suppose it's down to who's word you trust, and I dont know you so just went off the journalists that usually know more than the average fan ( not that you're an average fan, you could be on the board for all I know )
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Post by MACCA » Thu Aug 06, 2020 2:19 pm

So we were reported as being priced out of a move for Robertson on 25th June by a couple of journalists, and then landed Taylor on 6th of July.

Suppose we could call a couple of weeks a different time, and Taylor the obvious number 1 target just like Lansbury once was.

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Post by Grumps » Thu Aug 06, 2020 2:21 pm

MACCA wrote:
Thu Aug 06, 2020 2:19 pm
So we were reported as being priced out of a move for Robertson on 25th June by a couple of journalists, and then landed Taylor on 6th of July.

Suppose we could call a couple of weeks a different time
Our only bid to Hull was the last day of a transfer window. Taylor was signed early in another window.

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Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Thu Aug 06, 2020 2:24 pm

Robertson to us was January 2017, in the summer of 2017 he knew Liverpool wanted him.

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Post by MACCA » Thu Aug 06, 2020 2:35 pm

Grumps wrote:
Thu Aug 06, 2020 2:21 pm
Our only bid to Hull was the last day of a transfer window. Taylor was signed early in another window.
Ahh so you have to bid for them to be the number 1 target.
That explains it now, not that it mattered if we bid or not, if Liverpool were interested he was only ever going 1 place.

We probably held off bidding Robertson so Taylor could be the number 1 target that we landed.

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