According to various newspapers, big clubs are having gargantuan appetite . At all cost they are endeavouring to have at least five players out of Burnley's squad .The names mentioned are: James Tarkowski , Cris Wood, Dwight Mc Neil,, Henrick and Nick Pope
if ever our five-star players do leave our club , It will be an up- hill task for the club to manoeuvre and keep it afloat .

So far Burnley has managed pretty well In spite of stiff competition , Burnley is in the upper bracket . With its limited resources , we feel proud of its achievements . Should all these players remain in the squad ,I feel that we can improve our rankings next season .

What's worth more money - staying in the Premier League and having £100+ million come into the club every season or sell players now and go down.

I'm sure the board are aware of that.

If the big clubs come calling unfortunately there's nothing we can do.

TommyJohnson wrote: ↑

Wed Aug 12, 2020 3:56 pm

If the big clubs come calling unfortunately there's nothing we can do.

Not entirely true. We can reject any offers that don't meet our valuation. The tipping point comes when the player gets his head turned and wants to leave, and / or an acceptable offer is made. It's all a balancing act, and as said above, staying in the premier league is worth 150m each season, so if we reject £50 million for Dwight, Pope or Tarks and they are happy to play and help us stay in the league, then it's a no-brainer to keep our prized assets for as long as we can.

We are no longer in a position where we just bend over when the big clubs come calling.

cable ties

Handcuff them to a radiator

They gonna go to the heady heights of Arsenal or Man Utd to end up a few points in front of Little Old Burnley?

...Or end up back in the Championship?

We've clearly got the capacity to be paying £100k a week, we have the ability to keep our own players.

Not sure we've got the capacity to be paying 100k a week
As far as I know or can assess I don't think many, if any of our players
are on more than 45-50k a week.
Can't imagine us paying 100k a week.
Would cause havoc amongst the players if we brought someone in on that amount.

tarkys_ears wrote: ↑

Wed Aug 12, 2020 5:54 pm

They gonna go to the heady heights of Arsenal or Man Utd to end up a few points in front of Little Old Burnley?

...Or end up back in the Championship?

We've clearly got the capacity to be paying £100k a week, we have the ability to keep our own players.

How do you work out we can afford 100k a week for x number of players?
A number of clubs cannot afford 100k a week for players unless they've got a rich backer..

We replace them with those younger lads already on our conveyor belt.
We will have planned for things like this.

MACCA wrote: ↑

Wed Aug 12, 2020 7:06 pm

We replace them with those younger lads already on our conveyor belt.
We will have planned for things like this.

Well I haven't seen much evidence of any conveyor belt of young talent, bar McNeil.

All our Rookies seem to be out on loan playing in league 2 or even lower

Top Claret wrote: ↑

Wed Aug 12, 2020 7:12 pm

Well I haven't seen much evidence of any conveyor belt of young talent, bar McNeil.

All our Rookies seem to be out on loan playing in league 2 or even lower

Or the ones weve bought ready for the day our better players move on, we managed to replace Heaton, Keane, Ward, Vokes, Gray etc

Feeling a bit meh tonight, but reading than we can offer £100,000 a week in wages has proper made me laugh. Boy am I glad some of our fans don't do the players contracts....

You don't think with a £90m (probably closer to £100m this year) wage bill, we don't have (SOME, NOT ALL - YOU BACKWARD TWERPS) players on/close to £100k a week?

I'd love to know what we're paying the kiosk staff if we don't. Maybe they're all on £20k a week? It'd bring the average into line.

tarkys_ears wrote: ↑

Wed Aug 12, 2020 8:15 pm

You don't think with a £90m (probably closer to £100m this year) wage bill, we don't have players on/close to £100k a week?

I'd love to know what we're paying the kiosk staff if we don't. Maybe they're all on £20k a week? It'd bring the average into line.

I don't think we do, however you're the one saying we have so feel free to provide proof.

The club wage bill is for everyone, the players on all levels, scouts, academy, backroom staff, groundsmen etc.

It's widely acknowledged our highest earners are on 50k a week ish, Hart was possibly on a little more but with him, Lennon and Hendrick gone that's a decent chunk taken off.
We have a very good bonus system to make up for a lower wage cap.

https://twitter.com/SwissRamble/status/ ... 71776?s=19

Breakdown of our finances for 18/19 season to help you out.

Oh and I'm sure I've read that Dyche is on a higher weekly wage than any of our players and it's about 60k a week, but Chester or Royboy can confirm that.

I'm not opposed to certain players leaving for the right price, especially those in positions we have a good track record in (goalkeeper for example). But if they are going to go, then it needs to happen sooner rather than later in the window.

Our highest earners are on 50k a week?

So thats about 15 players - and 2 management? Ok so out of 17 that means £44 million

Where has the other 45-55 million gone?

Don't tell me the rest is the cost of the groundkeepers and twix sellers and a handful of bit part £10k a week players?

tarkys_ears wrote: ↑

Wed Aug 12, 2020 8:25 pm

Our highest earners are on 50k a week?

So thats about 15 players - and 2 management? Ok so out of 17 that means £44 million

Where has the other 45-55 million gone?

Don't tell me the rest is the cost of the groundkeepers and twix sellers and a handful of bit part £10k a week players?

You're the expert, you break it all down with facts and figures.

Well I've speculated.

You're the one quoting facts its only £50k a week

Break it down for me.

I asked you, Sidney, what accounts for the other 45-55 million in wages?

Answer please

davemanu2000 wrote: ↑

Wed Aug 12, 2020 2:47 pm

According to various newspapers, big clubs are having gargantuan appetite . At all cost they are endeavouring to have at least five players out of Burnley's squad .The names mentioned are: James Tarkowski , Cris Wood, Dwight Mc Neil,, Henrick and Nick Pope
if ever our five-star players do leave our club , It will be an up- hill task for the club to manoeuvre and keep it afloat .

So far Burnley has managed pretty well In spite of stiff competition , Burnley is in the upper bracket . With its limited resources , we feel proud of its achievements . Should all these players remain in the squad ,I feel that we can improve our rankings next season .

listen to Zammo - Just say No

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2nq8DzYToE

Try insurance of players, NI contributions (isn't that 13.8%), maybe pension contributions, ground and club maintenance. VAT to name a few.

NI contributions?

You think any of these footballers are employed by us on more than the tax allowance threshold states?

Probably costs the club a tenner a year for the entire first team.

tarkys_ears wrote: ↑

Wed Aug 12, 2020 8:34 pm

I asked you, Sidney, what accounts for the other 45-55 million in wages?

Answer please

https://www.spotrac.com/epl/burnley-fc/contracts/

That helps with a number of the players contracts.

Now its your turn to prove we've got players on closer to 100k.
I fairly sure you can't, but I'm more than happy for you to try.


You didn't read the Swiss ramble link did you?

We have 230 ish members of staff at the club.
If the first team squad is 25, that leaves 200 other people.

https://twitter.com/SwissRamble/status/ ... 43589?s=09

I think I would find it hard to support a club that was paying its players 100k a week, especially with the uncertainty with Covid, I even struggle with 50k.

tarkys_ears wrote: ↑

Wed Aug 12, 2020 8:25 pm

Our highest earners are on 50k a week?

So thats about 15 players - and 2 management? Ok so out of 17 that means £44 million

Where has the other 45-55 million gone?

Don't tell me the rest is the cost of the groundkeepers and twix sellers and a handful of bit part £10k a week players?

probably less than 5 players on £50k pw - the club employ around 250 people on permanent contracts (the Academy alone has over 90 employees - not players) there are plenty of players, coaches and specialised analysts, never mind all the senior administration/commercial staff - the first team squad and associated staff are also on one of the best bonus schemes in football (as a proportion of their wages). And yes Sean is the pest paid individual at the club (and the highest paid in our history)

Chester Perry wrote: ↑

Wed Aug 12, 2020 9:09 pm

probably less than 5 players on £50k pw - the club employ around 250 people on permanent contracts (the Academy alone has over 90 employees - not players) there are plenty of players, coaches and specialised analysts, never mind all the senior administration/commercial staff - the first team squad and associated staff are also on one of the best bonus schemes in football (as a proportion of their wages). And yes Sean is the pest paid individual at the club (and the highest paid in our history)

Any idea roughly how much we realistically have to play with in the market (including wages,fees etc) CP ?

Atalanta are further proof you don't need to pay crazy wages to build a top team:

Weekly wages this season

Papu Gomez 31 €64,000
Duvan Zapata 28 €64,000
Josip Ilicic 31 €53,500
Mario Pasalic 24 €46,500
Luis Muriel 28 €44,000
Rafael Toloi 28 €28,500
Marten de Roon 28 €27,000
Ruslan Malinovskyi 26 €24,500
Simon Kjaer 30 €24,500
Jose Luis Palomino 29 €21,000
Timothy Castagne 23 €19,000
Andrea Masiello 33 €18,000
Hans Hateboer 25 €18,000
Pierluigi Gollini 24 €18,000
Remo Freuler 27 €18,000
Berat Djimsiti 26 €14,250
Marco Sportiello 27 €12,500
Guillherme Arana 22 €12,500
Robin Gosens 25 €10,000
Musa Barrow 20 €9,000
Roger Ibanez 20 €6,000
Francesco Rossi 28 €5,000

average transfer fee paid is about 10 million

In truth the answer is that if they are genuinely in demand then we can't hold on to them unless they are of a very rare breed, loyal.
What we need is to develop replacements so that we can actually benefit from sales.

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑

Wed Aug 12, 2020 9:24 pm

Atalanta are further proof you don't need to pay crazy wages to build a top team:

Weekly wages this season

Papu Gomez 31 €64,000
Duvan Zapata 28 €64,000
Josip Ilicic 31 €53,500
Mario Pasalic 24 €46,500
Luis Muriel 28 €44,000
Rafael Toloi 28 €28,500
Marten de Roon 28 €27,000
Ruslan Malinovskyi 26 €24,500
Simon Kjaer 30 €24,500
Jose Luis Palomino 29 €21,000
Timothy Castagne 23 €19,000
Andrea Masiello 33 €18,000
Hans Hateboer 25 €18,000
Pierluigi Gollini 24 €18,000
Remo Freuler 27 €18,000
Berat Djimsiti 26 €14,250
Marco Sportiello 27 €12,500
Guillherme Arana 22 €12,500
Robin Gosens 25 €10,000
Musa Barrow 20 €9,000
Roger Ibanez 20 €6,000
Francesco Rossi 28 €5,000

average transfer fee paid is about 10 million

Does anybody know what the figures are for PSG?

Conroysleftfoot wrote: ↑

Wed Aug 12, 2020 9:37 pm

Does anybody know what the figures are for PSG?

I know Neymar earns more in one week than the entire Atalanta team

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑

Wed Aug 12, 2020 9:15 pm

Any idea roughly how much we realistically have to play with in the market (including wages,fees etc) CP ?

It is difficult - there are still so many unknowns - while we read reports that the Premier League are paying in full for last season (that would mean we earned in excess of £150m last season from all income sources - but not the financial year - and probably had better profits possibly around £15m - £20m)

- Next season will see a demand for further rebates by broadcasters
- some of whom have just stopped paying (the Chinese contract is £560m + a season) and they still owe £160m for this season - it was due in March
- the rebates will have to come from reduced central payments probably form next season but no one knows who much the total rebate bill will be so cannot estimate how much the reduced earnings will be next season
- We still do not know when fans will return (it could be years before we are at full capacity
- Then there is still the ongoing public pressure on the Premier League to provide a support package to the pyramid. women's and grassroots game

I think our biggest hinderance to bigger spending is not our cash holding but the combination of reduced incomes and a manageable salary level/amortisation rate. If Gibson does go that means up to £3.75m (if you believe we actually paid £15m for him) is taken away from amortisation (add a further £2.6m for Hendrick and £1m - £3m or so for those who have signed extended contracts in the last season). That gives us around £6m (if trying to hold to current level or a possible stretch to £12m or so if we are to keep amortisation to no more than £50m. At the same time we need to be holding wages to the current level and it may be time to start rethinking that bonus system if we haven't already. It is in our interest to maintain a level of profitability without selling players to fund it.

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑

Wed Aug 12, 2020 8:46 pm

https://www.spotrac.com/epl/burnley-fc/contracts/

That helps with a number of the players contracts.

Now its your turn to prove we've got players on closer to 100k.
I fairly sure you can't, but I'm more than happy for you to try.


You didn't read the Swiss ramble link did you?

We have 230 ish members of staff at the club.
If the first team squad is 25, that leaves 200 other people.

https://twitter.com/SwissRamble/status/ ... 43589?s=09

I'm sorry Sidney, are you suggesting that all 25 of our squad players are on the same money or all 200 other people are too?

Chester Perry wrote: ↑

Wed Aug 12, 2020 10:06 pm

It is difficult - there are still so many unknowns - while we read reports that the Premier League are paying in full for last season (that would mean we earned in excess of £150m last season from all income sources - but not the financial year - and probably had better profits possibly around £15m - £20m)

- Next season will see a demand for further rebates by broadcasters
- some of whom have just stopped paying (the Chinese contract is £560m + a season) and they still owe £160m for this season - it was due in March
- the rebates will have to come from reduced central payments probably form next season but no one knows who much the total rebate bill will be so cannot estimate how much the reduced earnings will be next season
- We still do not know when fans will return (it could be years before we are at full capacity
- Then there is still the ongoing public pressure on the Premier League to provide a support package to the pyramid. women's and grassroots game

I think our biggest hinderance to bigger spending is not our cash holding but the combination of reduced incomes and a manageable salary level/amortisation rate. If Gibson does go that means up to £3.75m (if you believe we actually paid £15m for him) is taken away from amortisation (add a further £2.6m for Hendrick and £1m - £3m or so for those who have signed extended contracts in the last season). That gives us around £6m (if trying to hold to current level or a possible stretch to £12m or so if we are to keep amortisation to no more than £50m. At the same time we need to be holding wages to the current level and it may be time to start rethinking that bonus system if we haven't already. It is in our interest to maintain a level of profitability without selling players to fund it.

I doubt they care about amortisation. Whatever they decide about Gibson, it won't be based on the idea of making the accounts look prettier - it'll be based on cash money. If you can afford to replace a useless asset then you do it regardless of what he cost two years ago.

tarkys_ears wrote: ↑

Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:51 pm

I'm sorry Sidney, are you suggesting that all 25 of our squad players are on the same money or all 200 other people are too?

Until you can provide me with something that shows we have players on close to 100k a week, as per your original claim then this chat is not going any further.
I've disproven your claims thus far and you've countered with nothing but babble.
I've even shown that not all our players are on the same wage.

We all know you can't provide anything to back up your claims, I was being kind earlier in giving you a chance to do so.

Run along now, it's way past your bedtime.

Our business model is designed to sell and recruit at a profit.

davemanu2000 wrote: ↑

Wed Aug 12, 2020 2:47 pm

According to various newspapers, big clubs are having gargantuan appetite . At all cost they are endeavouring to have at least five players out of Burnley's squad .The names mentioned are: James Tarkowski , Cris Wood, Dwight Mc Neil,, Henrick and Nick Pope
if ever our five-star players do leave our club , It will be an up- hill task for the club to manoeuvre and keep it afloat .

So far Burnley has managed pretty well In spite of stiff competition , Burnley is in the upper bracket . With its limited resources , we feel proud of its achievements . Should all these players remain in the squad ,I feel that we can improve our rankings next season .

Sneaking Jeff in the list of five star players who might leave was clever but Jeff was 3 star and he has gone on to job seekers allowance . Turns out he was just too good for Milan and Man Utd.

I doubt anybody basic salary will be close to £100k a week, but factoring in bonuses for wins, goals, high final position in the league, staying up etc will probably put some players yearly earnings near that £5m mark


If we started offering players a basic salary of £100k a week no doubt they would want all the bonuses adding on too, it just wouldn't work.

I'm certainly no Accountant. However, when factoring in a pandemic, and the country being in a recession, most clubs (with the odd exception or 4) must surely be looking at reducing expenditure. Its common sense. I'd be surprised if at least one of our price assets wasn't sold. However, it wont be for anywhere near some of the sums being banded around on here. Likewise re Gibson. Just because he doesn't see 'eye to eye' with SD doesn't mean we have to more or less give him away. I feel this lad has plenty to offer, he's a good player and leader and I'm sure he'll go on to be a success. I'd like him to patch up his differences, as it could potentially become a problem position for us if we sell or one of the main two CB's should, heaven forbid get an injury.