The Telegraph : Fans returning to matches

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Re: The Telegraph : Fans returning to matches

Post by Dy1geo » Sat Aug 15, 2020 9:31 am

Under “normal circumstances” I would welcome away fans but when I read yesterday that “singing may be banned” on the Holte End” with supporters signing a form not to sing etc I would be griped if that was the case with us and away fans just ignored it, if they didn’t and just say there what’s the point of away fans, might as well have home fans.

I am getting to the point of not bothering next season with the pre match atmosphere in pubs gone and the just sitting in my seat watching the match will have me reminiscing about how good the atmosphere was in our recent cup matches. We really will be playing in a Library.

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Re: The Telegraph : Fans returning to matches

Post by ClaretTony » Sat Aug 15, 2020 9:31 am

Grumps wrote:
Sat Aug 15, 2020 9:11 am
Still not sure how they can make that work. Will households and bubbles be able to sit together? If so, how will they know how to arrange the socially distanced seating until they know who has won the ballot? If there is a household of 4,the seating around them will be different to around someone sat on their own.
Clubs will need as much space as possible to even attempt to make it work.
If away fans were allowed in, how would the home club know who can sit together and who cannot?
Shows just how difficult it will be. It’s going to be a major task for each club.

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Re: The Telegraph : Fans returning to matches

Post by ClaretMov » Sat Aug 15, 2020 9:32 am

Top Claret wrote:
Sat Aug 15, 2020 9:21 am
Still a selfish prat though

I'm not getting into this crap of I'm right your right bullshit that normally happens on this message board, its an open forum but when someone puts thier opinion on and its something they don't like the my dad is bigger than your dad starts, You have your opinion I'll have mine and except it, its what happens on a forum, read it, like it or don't.

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Re: The Telegraph : Fans returning to matches

Post by Whitgord » Sat Aug 15, 2020 9:34 am

One thing seems certain to me. Reading this thread shows what an unsolvable problem we find ourselves in. No one is going to be happy with everything provided by any solution. We can’t even agree on ticket/seating allocation without a pandemic in place! Unfortunately we are all guilty of putting our own needs above others. As someone said earlier, the whole match day experience is going to be full of arguing and disappointment until we have more space than people who want to go (as in normal times).
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Re: The Telegraph : Fans returning to matches

Post by ClaretMov » Sat Aug 15, 2020 9:40 am

TVC15 wrote:
Sat Aug 15, 2020 9:25 am
You mean you won’t be happy ?

Why will security costs be the same with less fans ? Are the security costs for Accrington the same as at Man United ?
Think about what I put, using Accrington from your example, no fans no security cost, Accrington 3k fans 5k security cost say ( beer mat maths not real) Accrington 400 fans scattered about still but still will have 5k security but with less revenue in the ground to put towards costs.

My whole point is top flight teams can take a hit on the money they don't live on gate money like lower leagues do our money comes from tv not season ticket sales

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Re: The Telegraph : Fans returning to matches

Post by Les Lawrence » Sat Aug 15, 2020 9:44 am

Put your season tickets on hold lads and go and watch local football till we get a vaccine.Although club still take your money knowing you won't bewatching many live games.Still you can get a refund to spend on other tickets later on in Season.😃👍

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Re: The Telegraph : Fans returning to matches

Post by Claretmatt4 » Sat Aug 15, 2020 9:47 am

All this thread shows me is that we just aren't ready for it at all. It wouldn't be responsible to go back without a safe method and unfortunately for various reasons that makes it 'unfair'

Safety has to come first for me, everything else is secondary.

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Re: The Telegraph : Fans returning to matches

Post by TVC15 » Sat Aug 15, 2020 9:54 am

ClaretMov wrote:
Sat Aug 15, 2020 9:40 am
Think about what I put, using Accrington from your example, no fans no security cost, Accrington 3k fans 5k security cost say ( beer mat maths not real) Accrington 400 fans scattered about still but still will have 5k security but with less revenue in the ground to put towards costs.

My whole point is top flight teams can take a hit on the money they don't live on gate money like lower leagues do our money comes from tv not season ticket sales
I have thought about it and you still aren’t making any sense....even with the addition of made up figures.

Less fans = less revenue....pretty obvious.
Less fans = less security costs...pretty obvious

No fans = no match day revenue....blatantly obvious.

If it was a situation of all fans or no fans for these lower league clubs then why would that make any sense when nearly all of these teams don’t fill their grounds most weeks. For many a ground a third full will be about the norm.

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Re: The Telegraph : Fans returning to matches

Post by ClaretMov » Sat Aug 15, 2020 10:04 am

TVC15 wrote:
Sat Aug 15, 2020 9:54 am
I have thought about it and you still aren’t making any sense....even with the addition of made up figures.

Less fans = less revenue....pretty obvious.
Less fans = less security costs...pretty obvious

No fans = no match day revenue....blatantly obvious.

If it was a situation of all fans or no fans for these lower league clubs then why would that make any sense when nearly all of these teams don’t fill their grounds most weeks. For many a ground a third full will be about the norm.

LMFAO......I give up :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: The Telegraph : Fans returning to matches

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sat Aug 15, 2020 10:12 am

ClaretMov wrote:
Sat Aug 15, 2020 9:11 am
******* dickhead.......glory hunter, I've watched us in all four division's been to other side of the country on a Tuesday night to watch Burnley play against clubs that dont exist anymore gone without to see us play got sacked for time off midweek to attend games you prick

Over the years of watching Burnley play shite against shite in the 80s I've earned the right to watch us take on the best.....I watch FOOTBALL not just us play
Well that escalated.

Typical Man Utd fan.
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Re: The Telegraph : Fans returning to matches

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sat Aug 15, 2020 10:13 am

TVC15 wrote:
Sat Aug 15, 2020 9:22 am
Most football fans do not go to away games - that is based on the sheer numbers of fans who attend home games compared to away fans.
To suggest that the majority of supporters would prefer there to be away fans in a reduced attendance scenario does not make any sense.
The groups who are supposedly representing supporters seem to be simply representing themselves - and I’m guessing it’s probably because the large majority of these supporter groups are fans who travel to away games most weeks.
Why would the those large majority of season ticket holders who either never or rarely go to away games be in favour of away fans attending ? Firstly we already know it won’t be about creating a better atmosphere given there will be a few hundred away fans and secondly it would mean less of these season ticket holders being able to attend games.
Nail on the head

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Re: The Telegraph : Fans returning to matches

Post by jrgbfc » Sat Aug 15, 2020 10:14 am

Plenty of people go to the away games for the day out/a few beers. Take the London games for example, you'd have to wear a face covering on the train down and on the tube, struggle to get in a pub beforehand and then in the ground sit away from your mates, and be frowned on if you dare to shout or sing. Doesn't sound like much fun to me!
Although i appreciate some people will be happy to do it, which is up to them. I personally wouldn't mind away sides been given a small allocation of say, 500 tickets.

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Re: The Telegraph : Fans returning to matches

Post by BenWickes » Sat Aug 15, 2020 10:15 am

Wondering whether it's ClaretMov's 'time of the month'... :lol:
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Re: The Telegraph : Fans returning to matches

Post by TVC15 » Sat Aug 15, 2020 10:15 am

ClaretMov wrote:
Sat Aug 15, 2020 10:04 am
LMFAO......I give up :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Good - you give up talking utter sh-ite.
By your argument if you had one fan stood in each stand it would be the same security costs as if they had 3,000 fans.

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Re: The Telegraph : Fans returning to matches

Post by ClaretMov » Sat Aug 15, 2020 10:19 am

TVC15 wrote:
Sat Aug 15, 2020 10:15 am
Good - you give up talking utter sh-ite.
By your argument if you had one fan stood in each stand it would be the same security costs as if they had 3,000 fans.
Please find the post that I put "one fan in each stand"

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Re: The Telegraph : Fans returning to matches

Post by TVC15 » Sat Aug 15, 2020 10:32 am

ClaretMov wrote:
Sat Aug 15, 2020 10:19 am
Please find the post that I put "one fan in each stand"
Do you not understand what “by your argument” means ?

You said that 400 fans would be the same security costs as 3,000 fans. By that logic why would 4 fans or 100 fans not be the same security costs ? Is there another number you have made up in your head below which security costs start to reduce ? Is it 399 fans ?

Security costs are outside the ground not just in - do you not think these costs and the resources deployed are based on the amount of fans attending ? Simple question.

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Re: The Telegraph : Fans returning to matches

Post by ClaretMov » Sat Aug 15, 2020 10:40 am

TVC15 wrote:
Sat Aug 15, 2020 10:32 am
Do you not understand what “by your argument” means ?

You said that 400 fans would be the same security costs as 3,000 fans. By that logic why would 4 fans or 100 fans not be the same security costs ? Is there another number you have made up in your head below which security costs start to reduce ? Is it 399 fans ?

Security costs are outside the ground not just in - do you not think these costs and the resources deployed are based on the amount of fans attending ? Simple question.
It's called an opinion, agree to disagree and have a fantastic rest of the day fellow claret

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Re: The Telegraph : Fans returning to matches

Post by Bosscat » Sat Aug 15, 2020 10:53 am

Do I need anymore Popcorn 🤭🤭🤭.

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Re: The Telegraph : Fans returning to matches

Post by TVC15 » Sat Aug 15, 2020 10:56 am

Bosscat wrote:
Sat Aug 15, 2020 10:53 am
Do I need anymore Popcorn 🤭🤭🤭.
Nope - those days are gone !
Out of interest would 400 bags of popcorn cost less than 3,000 bags ?
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Re: The Telegraph : Fans returning to matches

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:10 am

What i dont understand is why Blackburnclarets thread like this got pulled thursday and comments removed. hounding was the word used Thursday. id agree.
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Re: The Telegraph : Fans returning to matches

Post by Blackburn_Claret » Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:11 am

Les Lawrence wrote:
Sat Aug 15, 2020 8:21 am
We all know that when home /away tickets are allocated,the select few super fans ,will get tickets to all the games😠
Its only right Dave Burnley attends, he was at the recent behind closed doors fixtures so I've no issue with him attending every other game. The issue is 100s coming on coaches for me.

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Re: The Telegraph : Fans returning to matches

Post by Blackburn_Claret » Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:12 am

cricketfieldclarets wrote:
Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:10 am
What i dont understand is why Blackburnclarets thread like this got pulled thursday and comments removed. hounding was the word used Thursday. id agree.
Apparently I was provoking other supporters with my match day 11 squad of supporters attending fixtures.

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Re: The Telegraph : Fans returning to matches

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:13 am

cricketfieldclarets wrote:
Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:10 am
What i dont understand is why Blackburnclarets thread like this got pulled thursday and comments removed. hounding was the word used Thursday. id agree.
Wasn’t it you who said it was hounding??

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Re: The Telegraph : Fans returning to matches

Post by Blackburn_Claret » Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:16 am

Bordeauxclaret wrote:
Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:13 am
Wasn’t it you who said it was hounding??
I was also hounded when I said Ben Gibson was a bad egg and needed to be shipped out. Couple of days later he was back at boro with my comments about him removed and then super posters claiming he was a bad egg were agreed with.

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Re: The Telegraph : Fans returning to matches

Post by Blackburn_Claret » Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:24 am

ClaretMov wrote:
Sat Aug 15, 2020 9:18 am
What i was saying is why should we only get certain games, some will not be happy with the way the games are dished out........it should be all back or non back accross football.

The lower league club's couldn't survive if they had to open to say 1000 fan's scattered around the ground but still had the same security costs
Some games are better than no games at all. Whats your problem?

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Re: The Telegraph : Fans returning to matches

Post by TVC15 » Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:27 am

ClaretMov wrote:
Sat Aug 15, 2020 10:40 am
It's called an opinion, agree to disagree and have a fantastic rest of the day fellow claret
Cheers - I might go and watch some local cricket. There’s usually around 400 fans there....plus another 500 security staff just like at the Test matches

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Re: The Telegraph : Fans returning to matches

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:29 am

Bordeauxclaret wrote:
Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:13 am
Wasn’t it you who said it was hounding??
Yes. I agreed.

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Re: The Telegraph : Fans returning to matches

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:48 am

I’m glad you agree with yourself :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: The Telegraph : Fans returning to matches

Post by Bosscat » Sat Aug 15, 2020 12:09 pm

I was right more popcorn was required
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Re: The Telegraph : Fans returning to matches

Post by Grumps » Sat Aug 15, 2020 12:58 pm

Blackburn_Claret wrote:
Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:11 am
Its only right Dave Burnley attends, he was at the recent behind closed doors fixtures so I've no issue with him attending every other game. The issue is 100s coming on coaches for me.
Hopefully that's not true and you've just made it up

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Re: The Telegraph : Fans returning to matches

Post by Blackburn_Claret » Sat Aug 15, 2020 1:14 pm

Grumps wrote:
Sat Aug 15, 2020 12:58 pm
Hopefully that's not true and you've just made it up
Yeah I made it up like a made the Ben Gibson story up :roll: :roll: :roll:

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Re: The Telegraph : Fans returning to matches

Post by Grumps » Sat Aug 15, 2020 1:21 pm

Blackburn_Claret wrote:
Sat Aug 15, 2020 1:14 pm
Yeah I made it up like a made the Ben Gibson story up :roll: :roll: :roll:
I hope you are, because if the club were found to have facilitated it in any way, they could be in big trouble.

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Re: The Telegraph : Fans returning to matches

Post by Blackburn_Claret » Sat Aug 15, 2020 1:22 pm

Grumps wrote:
Sat Aug 15, 2020 1:21 pm
I hope you are, because if the club were found to have facilitated it in any way, they could be in big trouble.
I was being sarcastic. Why would I make it up?

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Re: The Telegraph : Fans returning to matches

Post by Blackburn_Claret » Sat Aug 15, 2020 1:22 pm

and why would they be in big trouble. It was all perfectly legal.

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Re: The Telegraph : Fans returning to matches

Post by Grumps » Sat Aug 15, 2020 1:30 pm

Blackburn_Claret wrote:
Sat Aug 15, 2020 1:22 pm
and why would they be in big trouble. It was all perfectly legal.
How could it be legal, or at least within the agread process with Premier league, government, police etc

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Re: The Telegraph : Fans returning to matches

Post by Blackburn_Claret » Sat Aug 15, 2020 2:06 pm

Grumps wrote:
Sat Aug 15, 2020 1:30 pm
How could it be legal, or at least within the agread process with Premier league, government, police etc
He was dressed up as bumble bee

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Re: The Telegraph : Fans returning to matches

Post by tiger76 » Tue Aug 18, 2020 7:46 pm

A promising development my only worry is that fans will descend on grounds in their droves, and make any form of social distancing impossible to police. But it does make sense to try and get some fans into grounds, otherwise clubs will be struggling to survive, especially at those levels.

Non-league clubs at step three and below can admit fans to groundshttps://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53817206

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Re: The Telegraph : Fans returning to matches

Post by NottsClaret » Tue Aug 18, 2020 7:53 pm

Good news that. I think that’ll be us at non-league for 20/21, plus whatever Burnley games are on in the club on telly.
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England fans hope to return in October

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Wed Aug 19, 2020 5:18 pm

Another positive news story re: fans coming back.

The biggest challenge (and risk) is likely the commutes and or over crowding of pubs. But hopefully outdoor crowds can continue to be welcomed.

Things still look to be going in the right direction.

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Re: England fans hope to return in October

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Re: The Telegraph : Fans returning to matches

Post by jrgbfc » Thu Aug 20, 2020 6:08 am

Colne are allowing in 200 for their home friendly on Saturday, ticket only. Hopefully things get relaxed a bit in a few weeks, wouldn't mind going to a few this year with all the restrictions there'll be for our games.

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Re: The Telegraph : Fans returning to matches

Post by Darthlaw » Thu Aug 20, 2020 9:28 am

So, if it goes to one match in three, you could get one of the following sets of games, before they start messing with fixtures for europe, etc.

Man U - Chelsea - Wolves - Aston Villa - West Brom - Newcastle - Liverpool

Southampton - Crystal Palace - Sheffield United - Man City - Arsenal - West Ham

Tottenham - Everton - Fulham - Brighton - Leicester - Leeds

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Re: The Telegraph : Fans returning to matches

Post by Cirrus_Minor » Thu Aug 20, 2020 10:23 am

The first thing that came to my mind when I heard of restricted attendances was - how are Burnley going to manage the toilet crush at half time in the upper tier of JH stand? Not to mention if this also includes people queuing for a half time pint.

Even with a third only attending, to keep social distanced queues at 2 metres apart will probably require markers over a mile long that potentially will extend up Brunshaw Road to Pike Hill. By the time you have splashed your clogs the second half will be completed anyway.

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Re: The Telegraph : Fans returning to matches

Post by Sheedyclaret » Thu Aug 20, 2020 10:31 am

Cirrus_Minor wrote:
Thu Aug 20, 2020 10:23 am
The first thing that came to my mind when I heard of restricted attendances was - how are Burnley going to manage the toilet crush at half time in the upper tier of JH stand? Not to mention if this also includes people queuing for a half time pint.

Even with a third only attending, to keep social distanced queues at 2 metres apart will probably require markers over a mile long that potentially will extend up Brunshaw Road to Pike Hill. By the time you have splashed your clogs the second half will be completed anyway.

Only way i can see it working is turning up at allocated time straight to your seat no drink/ no toilet watch game go home .other than that behind closed doors still

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Re: The Telegraph : Fans returning to matches

Post by tiger76 » Thu Aug 20, 2020 2:26 pm

Scotland's stadiums could reopen for restricted numbers of fans from 14 Septemberhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/scotland/53 ... ing-story

Surprising development up here considering NS has applied a cautious approach to easing lockdown, of course there's no guarantee that this will yet happen, but even the fact that it's being mooted is a positive sign.

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