End for Pitchfork?

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End for Pitchfork?

Post by Jel » Sat Aug 15, 2020 8:25 pm

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football ... 1597423567

Seems, (if you can believe The Sun), that Ancelloti has had enough.

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Re: End for Pitchfork?

Post by Steve1956 » Sat Aug 15, 2020 10:38 pm

Please please be true,please end up playing in the Championship for someone like Derby....its about his level.
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Re: End for Pitchfork?

Post by ClaretTony » Sat Aug 15, 2020 10:41 pm

Ancelotti is a good manager. My concern is those managers who actually seem to rate Pickford
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Re: End for Pitchfork?

Post by Blackburn_Claret » Sat Aug 15, 2020 10:55 pm

People only don't rate him because they feel Pope is better and Heaton before that. Represented England at every level. Weird, similar to the hate of Joe Hart.
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Re: End for Pitchfork?

Post by Zom Zom » Sun Aug 16, 2020 7:18 am

Part of the problem is that he is picked for England because he is an Everton player. His stock is high in the view of people who make such decisions because of the club he plays for. It's the assumption that a bigger club must have better players.

Of course the old adage also comes in to play that a keeper is only as good as the players in front of him, and there has been some poor performances in that department from Everton over the last season.

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Re: End for Pitchfork?

Post by fanzone » Sun Aug 16, 2020 7:32 am

Blackburn_Claret wrote:
Sat Aug 15, 2020 10:55 pm
People only don't rate him because they feel Pope is better and Heaton before that. Represented England at every level. Weird, similar to the hate of Joe Hart.
We will see how good he is if Chelsea come in for him as they are desperate for a better goalkeeper

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Re: End for Pitchfork?

Post by huw.Y.WattfromWare » Sun Aug 16, 2020 7:48 am

Makes some stunning saves, lots do, but throws far too many in to be a great keeper.

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Re: End for Pitchfork?

Post by Grumps » Sun Aug 16, 2020 7:58 am

Blackburn_Claret wrote:
Sat Aug 15, 2020 10:55 pm
People only don't rate him because they feel Pope is better and Heaton before that. Represented England at every level. Weird, similar to the hate of Joe Hart.
Is that the reason most ex footballers acting as pundits on tv are always finding fault with him as well?
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Re: End for Pitchfork?

Post by fatboy47 » Sun Aug 16, 2020 8:12 am

Blackburn_Claret wrote:
Sat Aug 15, 2020 10:55 pm
People only don't rate him because they feel Pope is better and Heaton before that. Represented England at every level. Weird, similar to the hate of Joe Hart.

Everton fans in the main see him as a gobsh1te and a liability.
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Re: End for Pitchfork?

Post by BenWickes » Sun Aug 16, 2020 9:13 am

Zom Zom wrote:
Sun Aug 16, 2020 7:18 am
Part of the problem is that he is picked for England because he is an Everton player. His stock is high in the view of people who make such decisions because of the club he plays for. It's the assumption that a bigger club must have better players.

Of course the old adage also comes in to play that a keeper is only as good as the players in front of him, and there has been some poor performances in that department from Everton over the last season.
I take your point but Everton have been mid/lower table for years. There's something drastically wrong when an England manager keeps picking a keeper when his own peers unanimously agree that he's not good enough.That defence in front of him won't help and I was surprised he went to Everton in the first place. Not because of their size but more for his own future prospects. He was making elementary mistakes at Sunderland and they haven't been ironed out.
Maybe the lack of keepers to challenge him hasn't helped at Sunderland or Everton, albeit I thought Stekelenburg was a better all round keeper than Pickford at Everton.
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Re: End for Pitchfork?

Post by Zom Zom » Sun Aug 16, 2020 10:06 am

BenWickes wrote:
Sun Aug 16, 2020 9:13 am
I take your point but Everton have been mid/lower table for years. There's something drastically wrong when an England manager keeps picking a keeper when his own peers unanimously agree that he's not good enough.That defence in front of him won't help and I was surprised he went to Everton in the first place. Not because of their size but more for his own future prospects. He was making elementary mistakes at Sunderland and they haven't been ironed out.
Maybe the lack of keepers to challenge him hasn't helped at Sunderland or Everton, albeit I thought Stekelenburg was a better all round keeper than Pickford at Everton.
That's exactly my point bud, better explained in your words than mine.
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Re: End for Pitchfork?

Post by Rileybobs » Sun Aug 16, 2020 11:21 am

BenWickes wrote:
Sun Aug 16, 2020 9:13 am
I take your point but Everton have been mid/lower table for years. There's something drastically wrong when an England manager keeps picking a keeper when his own peers unanimously agree that he's not good enough.That defence in front of him won't help and I was surprised he went to Everton in the first place. Not because of their size but more for his own future prospects. He was making elementary mistakes at Sunderland and they haven't been ironed out.
Maybe the lack of keepers to challenge him hasn't helped at Sunderland or Everton, albeit I thought Stekelenburg was a better all round keeper than Pickford at Everton.
But Southgate doesn’t ‘keep picking’ Pickford - England haven’t played for 9 months - and guess which keeper played the full 90 minutes in that game? Up to that point I would argue that Pickford was fully deserving of the England jersey. He had a good World Cup and was in that position on merit, it was nothing to do with the fact that he plays for Everton, who aren’t even one of the big clubs.

Since England last played Pickford’s form has dropped dramatically and this has lead to a number of pundits and sports writers questioning his place in the side. How on earth Southgate can be criticised for this when he hasn’t picked an England side for 9 months is beyond me. If he continues to persist with Pickford when other players are clearly more suitable candidates then his judgement can be called into question.
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Re: End for Pitchfork?

Post by BenWickes » Sun Aug 16, 2020 11:43 am

Rileybobs wrote:
Sun Aug 16, 2020 11:21 am
But Southgate doesn’t ‘keep picking’ Pickford - England haven’t played for 9 months - and guess which keeper played the full 90 minutes in that game? Up to that point I would argue that Pickford was fully deserving of the England jersey. He had a good World Cup and was in that position on merit, it was nothing to do with the fact that he plays for Everton, who aren’t even one of the big clubs.

Since England last played Pickford’s form has dropped dramatically and this has lead to a number of pundits and sports writers questioning his place in the side. How on earth Southgate can be criticised for this when he hasn’t picked an England side for 9 months is beyond me. If he continues to persist with Pickford when other players are clearly more suitable candidates then his judgement can be called into question.
Hmm. We'll have to agree to disagree. Quite a few pundits, peers etc were debating Pickford's starting place even before and during the 2018 World Cup.

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Re: End for Pitchfork?

Post by Wile E Coyote » Sun Aug 16, 2020 12:05 pm

i don't think southgate is that naive or daft enough to stick with an out of form keeper.
He isn't going to select people from bigger clubs when there are better elsewhere, there'd be no point.
If he did, then his own reputation as a coach suffers, and if results were poor he'd be sacked.

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Re: End for Pitchfork?

Post by Steve1956 » Sun Aug 16, 2020 12:52 pm

fatboy47 wrote:
Sun Aug 16, 2020 8:12 am
Everton fans in the main see him as a gobsh1te and a liability.
Had to log in to "like" that fantastic and to the point description of Pickford...precise...to the point.......and true....brilliant. :D

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Re: End for Pitchfork?

Post by Bosscat » Sun Aug 16, 2020 1:02 pm

fatboy47 wrote:
Sun Aug 16, 2020 8:12 am
Everton fans in the main see him as a gobsh1te and a liability.
Harsh .... But True 😁

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Re: End for Pitchfork?

Post by joey13 » Sun Aug 16, 2020 2:34 pm

fatboy47 wrote:
Sun Aug 16, 2020 8:12 am
Everton fans in the main see him as a gobsh1te and a liability.
Everton fans would know :)

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Re: End for Pitchfork?

Post by tim_noone » Sun Aug 16, 2020 3:02 pm

Everton Fans weren't keen on Keane.... :shock:

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Re: End for Pitchfork?

Post by Blackburn_Claret » Sun Aug 16, 2020 4:04 pm

tim_noone wrote:
Sun Aug 16, 2020 3:02 pm
Everton Fans weren't keen on Keane.... :shock:
£30 million... 2 goals in 30 games, subbed on then back off after about 15 minutes. He's poor.

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Re: End for Pitchfork?

Post by Steve1956 » Sun Aug 16, 2020 4:05 pm

Blackburn_Claret wrote:
Sun Aug 16, 2020 4:04 pm
£30 million... 2 goals in 30 games, subbed on then back off after about 15 minutes. He's poor.
:lol: ...... :roll:

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Re: End for Pitchfork?

Post by Giftonsnoidea » Sun Aug 16, 2020 4:12 pm

I thought this was going to be about the music website. Hope Pope gets more chances to show what he can do.

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