A Levels, Covid, Brexit. Worst Government Ever?

[tiger76]

Best time now to move university start of year to January, permanently. Would facilitate late exams this next time and ensure places awarded on actual results ipv guesses and teachers over-enthusiasm.

Many courses do start in January, hence why we get some freshers in September, and then another batch of freshers in the new year.

I don't have any numbers, but anecdotally from radio phone in's et al, it's clear that there is a % of students choosing to defer this year, and I can't say I blame them, it'll hardly by the student experience they'd have expected, particularly for any 1st years.

[Burnley Ace]

2 week self isolation when you return from Portugal (22/100k) yet th e Gov are encouraging me to return to work in places where the rate is two or three times higher?

[martin_p]

2 week self isolation when you return from Portugal (22/100k) yet th e Gov are encouraging me to return to work in places where the rate is two or three times higher?

Yes, but the science says you can’t catch it if you’re helping the economy.

[AndrewJB]

Boris Johnson was absolutely embarrassing at PMQs today, the guy can barely string a coherent sentence together. I think even the Tories are waking up to how clueless he is now, Sunak or Gove will be in charge by the time the next election comes around, if not a lot sooner.

We’ve had government by Murdoch for the last forty years, but Gove is a paid up creature of Murdoch.

[KateR]

My goodness the moaning and whinging just never stops, ohhh dear I don't know what to do, the Gov. isn't very clear, dither dither, I know let me go on to UTC and maybe someone will tell me what to do or at least they will agree with me and give me likes.

Use you're God given brain for goodness sake and give the moaning a rest, you're now as boring as Marty's BJ tells lies.

[evensteadiereddie]

Yes, it's much better not to criticise the government for being useless and ineffectual. Let's just get on with our lives, eh ?

[KateR]

no, that's not the point, there are enough of you, band together, start an online news org, sell advertising, there are millions if not billions of you out there, do something about it, instead of spending years posting the same thing year on year so often. That's the point I'm trying to make, make a difference, help to make the change you so desire, because in the years here, you (I don't mean you personally) have made zero changes to anyone's thought, just IMO.

Start discussing, who will your editor be, who's going to be your reporters, plenty of IT gurus here, web content, colour schemes, how do you get up on to Google/Yahoo first pages, etc. Fight the right wing media Andrew and so many criticize, that bits easy, any fool can moan, can you make a difference though?

Use this thread, use the Challenge thread, use other threads like the Stocks & Shares thread to find investors to find the people to engage, some with money, some with time.

Just think, you could have hundreds if not thousands of message boards providing links to your news site, all run from the comfort of your own home, FB, Instagram and Twitter are your weapons, just develop the ammunition, it's not difficult to do, it really isn't

[martin_p]

no, that's not the point, there are enough of you, band together, start an online news org, sell advertising, there are millions if not billions of you out there, do something about it, instead of spending years posting the same thing year on year so often. That's the point I'm trying to make, make a difference, help to make the change you so desire, because in the years here, you (I don't mean you personally) have made zero changes to anyone's thought, just IMO.

Start discussing, who will your editor be, who's going to be your reporters, plenty of IT gurus here, web content, colour schemes, how do you get up on to Google/Yahoo first pages, etc. Fight the right wing media Andrew and so many criticize, that bits easy, any fool can moan, can you make a difference though?

Use this thread, use the Challenge thread, use other threads like the Stocks & Shares thread to find investors to find the people to engage, some with money, some with time.

Just think, you could have hundreds if not thousands of message boards providing links to your news site, all run from the comfort of your own home, FB, Instagram and Twitter are your weapons, just develop the ammunition, it's not difficult to do, it really isn't

You need to chill out a bit Kate. No one is here to change anyone’s mind, it’s a football message board that sometimes strays into other topics, it’s just a bit of fun.

[KateR]

You need to chill out a bit Kate. No one is here to change anyone’s mind, it’s a football message board that sometimes strays into other topics, it’s just a bit of fun.

was it just a little bit to difficult, Marty?

I don't, for one, see much fun in the continuously negativity and attacking certain posters with old smelly bait, anyway it cements some of my thoughts, so I will leave you all to your bit of "fun" since you're clearly not serious about what you post, just so much easier to copy and paste links that other people have thoughts around.

I thought it could have been a good challenge for a few, particularly those suffering from job losses and those with a lot of time to waste, wouldn't cost much and could be rewarding and a way to express your thoughts, I mean fun, to a much wider audience. Yet I can see it is a challenge where you might just get a bit more push back on from others on this site, and those difficult questions and insults might just spoil the fun you have here.

PS, fully chilled here, just thought I'd provide something for ya'all to think about, sorry if it put a dampener on the fun, and I had you down for one the key reporters in the team.

[martin_p]

was it just a little bit to difficult, Marty?

I don't, for one, see much fun in the continuously negativity and attacking certain posters with old smelly bait, anyway it cements some of my thoughts, so I will leave you all to your bit of "fun" since you're clearly not serious about what you post, just so much easier to copy and paste links that other people have thoughts around.

I thought it could have been a good challenge for a few, particularly those suffering from job losses and those with a lot of time to waste, wouldn't cost much and could be rewarding and a way to express your thoughts, I mean fun, to a much wider audience. Yet I can see it is a challenge where you might just get a bit more push back on from others on this site, and those difficult questions and insults might just spoil the fun you have here.

PS, fully chilled here, just thought I'd provide something for ya'all to think about, sorry if it put a dampener on the fun, and I had you down for one the key reporters in the team.

Don’t worry Kate, I always find your posts amusing.

[KateR]

Don’t worry Kate, I always find your posts amusing.

So glad, if I can do my little bit to make people smile as life passes us all by, then I am just glad to have contributed, you'll miss me when I'm gone, I am sure of that

I left the full stop out just in case you were insulted by it

[AndrewJB]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... ut-tenders

More taxpayer cash handed out to besties.

[mdd2]

Almost 3000 new cases in last 24hr. Fasten your seat belts for the second wave courtesy of the reckless and feckless who cannot follow simple instructions.
One person's reckless actions is another's funeral
Mr Garlick needs to keep his hand on his wallet, at this increasing rate of infection there is no early resumption of crowds at games on the cards

[jrgbfc]

Cases were always going to rise once we started getting back to a bit of normality. We can't lock ourselves away forever. Unless something drastic goes wrong I still think fans will be back in some capacity by October.

[Grumps]

Almost 3000 new cases in last 24hr. Fasten your seat belts for the second wave courtesy of the reckless and feckless who cannot follow simple instructions.
One person's reckless actions is another's funeral
Mr Garlick needs to keep his hand on his wallet, at this increasing rate of infection there is no early resumption of crowds at games on the cards

Check the hospital admissions, the infections are not resulting in illness.

[KateR]

For me I am very happy to see cases reported going up, in my mind can only be a good thing and I expect it to get worse in the coming months.

What I don't want to see is a rapid rise in hospital cases.

What I really don't want to see is the death rate rising.

[mdd2]

Cases are increasing in some parts and it is early days still
There could be an element of fortune to this if it stays the case that over 90% of those infected are young, thus increasing herd immunity
However we are nowhere near winter and cases are rising in the Southern Hemisphere where there is now winter
It is one hell of a gamble to shrug your shoulders because the stats have yet to show more admissions to hospitals into ICU and to the morgue
Chances are this will happen as if by the weekend we are seeing 4000 new cases per day then I await some reassurance that it will be ok by the end of September
Will be great news and fascinating as to why if we are still only seeing under 10 deaths per day

[mkmel]

2988 new positive cases on Sunday following on from 1813 on Saturday

[FactualFrank]

2988 new positive cases on Sunday following on from 1813 on Saturday

I guess it depends on whether it's scattered or in certain areas. If it is, the area(s) can be tightened.

[Quickenthetempo]

Has anyone died in the street in Britain like the photos of China showed people just dropping dead like flies?

[Quickenthetempo]

[Tall Paul]

Plandemic

[Swizzlestick]

Just missing “sheeple” for the dullard truther on Facebook full house.

[cblantfanclub]

Just read up on it and the Chinese didn't attribute any of these deaths to Covid as far as I can tell. Precautions were because there was an unknown virus appearing that had caused 25 or 40 deaths, depending on what you read, at the time of the main photo.

[PeterWilton]

2 week self isolation when you return from Portugal (22/100k) yet th e Gov are encouraging me to return to work in places where the rate is two or three times higher?

Because the Conservatives don't care about you. Well, they might, but they care about the economy much, much more.

I hope this doesn't surprise you.

[joey13]

Check the hospital admissions, the infections are not resulting in illness.

Check the hospital admissions in France , still denying the second wave along with your mate unfactual Frank ?

[Grumps]

Check the hospital admissions in France , still denying the second wave along with your mate unfactual Frank ?

Have I said anything that's untrue?
Did I give any opinion on the factual statement?
Where have I denied a second wave?

I'll sit back and await to be enlightened

[Devils_Advocate]

Have I said anything that's untrue?
Did I give any opinion on the factual statement?
Where have I denied a second wave?

I'll sit back and await to be enlightened

Some people keep pedaling the same nonsense about the risk of a second wave

[FactualFrank]

Check the hospital admissions in France , still denying the second wave along with your mate unfactual Frank ?

At least come out with something original you 5 star plank.

Admit it - you want thousands more people to die, just so you can say "Told you so". You're pathetic. Everyone on here knows you're pathetic. Do us all a favour and clear off. When you turn 18, come back.

[PeterWilton]

When you have no argument so you decide to accuse your opponent of wanting thousands of people to die just to try and discredit them.

At least come out with something original you 5 star plank.

Admit it - you want thousands more people to die, just so you can say "Told you so". You're pathetic. Everyone on here knows you're pathetic. Do us all a favour and clear off. When you turn 18, come back.

[mdd2]

Looking at the recent trends and how it took off in March we may have 5k/day by the weekend or early next week. Just as we followed Italy last time after a lag of two weeks it is looking like this time we will be following France and there ,hospital admissions are now on the rise and there are suggestions that we are seeing more now.

[Devils_Advocate]

Aye but Denise Welch says its all a big con so Im not having this 2nd wave bullsh*t

[Spijed]

I see the government have tonight blocked the Grenfell Tower recommendations.

I wonder why?...

[FactualFrank]

When you have no argument so you decide to accuse your opponent of wanting thousands of people to die just to try and discredit them.

At least use your previous username. Doesn't quite work otherwise.

And you didn't even understand how I don't need to discredit him (you). He's (you) were guessing, trolled the covid thread and wound a lot of people up.

Edit: Just read a few of your previous posts. Changed my mind... pretty clear who it is now. Others will know if they do the same. l'll add this username to the list as well.

[mkmel]

2988 new positive cases on Sunday following on from 1813 on Saturday

2948 new positive cases on Monday

BBC News - Coronavirus: Warnings from scientists as UK cases continue to rise
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54066831

[PeterWilton]

At least use your previous username. Doesn't quite work otherwise.

And you didn't even understand how I don't need to discredit him (you). He's (you) were guessing, trolled the covid thread and wound a lot of people up.

Edit: Just read a few of your previous posts. Changed my mind... pretty clear who it is now. Others will know if they do the same. l'll add this username to the list as well.

Ard you OK?

[CombatClaret]

Johnson now doesn't like his own Brexit deal.

Johnson personally re-negotiated this withdrawal agreement.
He put it before the electorate at a general election, and he won an overall majority
He put it before the House of Commons, and he won a majority
He boasted of it as 'oven-ready' over & over again.

If you go along with the government who are criticising their own withdrawal agreement, either you intentionally voted for liars who knew their oven-ready deal was poison, or you didn't know what you were voting for.

[mkmel]

The EU don't trust Johnson. But there again who does?

[aggi]

Looks like the furlough scheme ended up being rife with fraud and errors. In the time it's been running the estimate is that the amount lost is possibly in the order of double the amount lost to benefit fraud in a year.

I'm not particularly surprised by that, we received a lot of professional guidance about what would be a breach of the rules and it was clear that many firms would breach them. I'd also say that holding back the scheme until it was perfect wasn't an option, sometimes you just have to use an imperfect scheme as the benefits will outweigh those taking advantage.

However, for all those who get hugely worked up about benefit fraud it's worth bearing in mind how low the levels are relatively when you compare it to something like this.

[Bordeauxclaret]

How many Five Star hotel rooms for migrants does that work out at?

[martin_p]

Looks like the furlough scheme ended up being rife with fraud and errors. In the time it's been running the estimate is that the amount lost is possibly in the order of double the amount lost to benefit fraud in a year.

I'm not particularly surprised by that, we received a lot of professional guidance about what would be a breach of the rules and it was clear that many firms would breach them. I'd also say that holding back the scheme until it was perfect wasn't an option, sometimes you just have to use an imperfect scheme as the benefits will outweigh those taking advantage.

However, for all those who get hugely worked up about benefit fraud it's worth bearing in mind how low the levels are relatively when you compare it to something like this.

We need to come down on benefits for businesses hard, bloody scroungers.

[bpgburn]

Looks like the furlough scheme ended up being rife with fraud and errors. In the time it's been running the estimate is that the amount lost is possibly in the order of double the amount lost to benefit fraud in a year.

I'm not particularly surprised by that, we received a lot of professional guidance about what would be a breach of the rules and it was clear that many firms would breach them. I'd also say that holding back the scheme until it was perfect wasn't an option, sometimes you just have to use an imperfect scheme as the benefits will outweigh those taking advantage.

However, for all those who get hugely worked up about benefit fraud it's worth bearing in mind how low the levels are relatively when you compare it to something like this.

But you have given no data to make the comparison, what is the estimate of the Furlough fraud and what is the figure for benefit fraud?

[aggi]

But you have given no data to make the comparison, what is the estimate of the Furlough fraud and what is the figure for benefit fraud?

I din't bother with a link as it seems to be in the news today. However:

Fraud and error for furlough estimated to be up to £3.5bn https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54066815

About £1.9bn estimated for benefit fraud https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-39980793 (a slightly old link but give you the flavour).

[martin_p]

I din't bother with a link as it seems to be in the news today. However:

Fraud and error for furlough estimated to be up to £3.5bn https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54066815

About £1.9bn estimated for benefit fraud https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-39980793 (a slightly old link but give you the flavour).

I think the benefit figures are a bit higher now, but still not as high as £3.5bn. But you need to look at the figures in the context of the overall spend so percentages are a better comparison. The estimate for the furlough scheme is 5-10% lost to fraud and error, for benefits the latest figures are about 1.5%.

[bpgburn]

I think the benefit figures are a bit higher now, but still not as high as £3.5bn. But you need to look at the figures in the context of the overall spend so percentages are a better comparison. The estimate for the furlough scheme is 5-10% lost to fraud and error, for benefits the latest figures are about 1.5%.

Thanks
Jesus, what a bunch of dishonest fraudulent **** we have walking amongst us regardless of what benefit it is, disgraceful!

[RingoMcCartney]

The Withdrawal Agreement Act 2020 was passed on second reading by 124 votes, following shortly after last December’s General Election. This constitutional outcome reflected the will of the people in the referendum authorised by Act of Parliament. The 2019 General Election gave the Conservative Party, which endorsed the Referendum, a majority of 81. Section 38 clearly and expressly ensures that the sovereignty both of Parliament and of the electorate through its representatives in Parliament is free from EU subjugation. The UK courts must accept this.

The Transition Period under the Withdrawal Agreement does assert that until 31st December this year the UK will continue to operate as if it were still under EU jurisdiction. This will not be extended beyond 31st December 2020. We left the EU on 31st January 2020. Section 38 enables Parliament to override the Withdrawal Agreement by a later enactment without qualification. Section 38 even includes the words, ”nothing in this Act derogates from the sovereignty of the Parliament of the United Kingdom”.

[AndrewJB]

Thanks
Jesus, what a bunch of dishonest fraudulent **** we have walking amongst us regardless of what benefit it is, disgraceful!

I think once you add to that the hundreds of millions we’ve handed out for tests that don’t work, and not fit for purpose PPE, and the world beating app that isn’t, then we’re probably well over £4 Billion.

[Spijed]

The Withdrawal Agreement Act 2020 was passed on second reading by 124 votes, following shortly after last December’s General Election. This constitutional outcome reflected the will of the people in the referendum authorised by Act of Parliament. The 2019 General Election gave the Conservative Party, which endorsed the Referendum, a majority of 81. Section 38 clearly and expressly ensures that the sovereignty both of Parliament and of the electorate through its representatives in Parliament is free from EU subjugation. The UK courts must accept this.

The Transition Period under the Withdrawal Agreement does assert that until 31st December this year the UK will continue to operate as if it were still under EU jurisdiction. This will not be extended beyond 31st December 2020. We left the EU on 31st January 2020. Section 38 enables Parliament to override the Withdrawal Agreement by a later enactment without qualification. Section 38 even includes the words, ”nothing in this Act derogates from the sovereignty of the Parliament of the United Kingdom”.

"Northern Ireland Secretary admits new bill will 'break international law'"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54073836

[aggi]

The Withdrawal Agreement Act 2020 was passed on second reading by 124 votes, following shortly after last December’s General Election. This constitutional outcome reflected the will of the people in the referendum authorised by Act of Parliament. The 2019 General Election gave the Conservative Party, which endorsed the Referendum, a majority of 81. Section 38 clearly and expressly ensures that the sovereignty both of Parliament and of the electorate through its representatives in Parliament is free from EU subjugation. The UK courts must accept this.

The Transition Period under the Withdrawal Agreement does assert that until 31st December this year the UK will continue to operate as if it were still under EU jurisdiction. This will not be extended beyond 31st December 2020. We left the EU on 31st January 2020. Section 38 enables Parliament to override the Withdrawal Agreement by a later enactment without qualification. Section 38 even includes the words, ”nothing in this Act derogates from the sovereignty of the Parliament of the United Kingdom”.

Top use (well copy/paste) of subjugation there.

No-one is saying that UK law stops this happening. Parliament is sovereign and that has always been the case regardless of whether we were in the EU.

What is the problem is that breaching an agreement in international law isn't a good look when you're trying to negotiate trade deals where you'll be bound by international law.

[pureclaret]

best ever as they support call for tv for premier league games in September !!!