A Levels, Covid, Brexit. Worst Government Ever?

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Re: A Levels, Covid, Brexit. Worst Government Ever?

Post by Quickenthetempo » Fri Sep 11, 2020 10:49 pm

martin_p wrote:
Fri Sep 11, 2020 10:28 pm
No, he’s mocking the word ‘of’.

Dear me!
By misquoting other words?

Splendid.

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Re: A Levels, Covid, Brexit. Worst Government Ever?

Post by CombatClaret » Fri Sep 11, 2020 10:51 pm

Damo wrote:
Fri Sep 11, 2020 10:41 pm
Again, as recently as yesterday, no country would want to do a deal with the UK according to some people.
Thats within your two week window is it not?
Today Japan has agreed to do a deal with the UK Post brexit.
Japan is a country isnt it?
Are you going to do another search, or should we just agree that I'm correct?
Ill pop back on in ten minutes or so and see what you have come up with
I asked you to provide evidence of remainers saying two weeks ago that a deal with Japan was out of the question, you haven't / can't.
You've only started moving the goal posts and conflating it with the internal market bill fallout which didn't exist two weeks ago.
A couple of weeks ago, a deal with Japan was out of the question.
Now the deal with Japan that was out of the question is not as good as the deal that the EU have negotiated with them.
Excuse me for taking anything remainers say with an enormous pich of salt haha

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Re: A Levels, Covid, Brexit. Worst Government Ever?

Post by Damo » Fri Sep 11, 2020 11:06 pm

CombatClaret wrote:
Fri Sep 11, 2020 10:51 pm
I asked you to provide evidence of remainers saying two weeks ago that a deal with Japan was out of the question, you haven't / can't.
You've only started moving the goal posts and conflating it with the internal market bill fallout which didn't exist two weeks ago.
Do you want to read my previous post again?
The Japan deal only materialised today, hence the reference to Japan.
Perhaps do another twitter search for posts stating we wouldn't be doing any deals with countries from a couple of weeks ago
Ill pop back on in ten minutes to see how you have got on

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Re: A Levels, Covid, Brexit. Worst Government Ever?

Post by CombatClaret » Fri Sep 11, 2020 11:14 pm

Damo wrote:
Fri Sep 11, 2020 11:06 pm
Do you want to read my previous post again?
The Japan deal only materialised today, hence the reference to Japan.
Perhaps do another twitter search for posts stating we wouldn't be doing any deals with countries from a couple of weeks ago
Ill pop back on in ten minutes to see how you have got on
I've read all your posts I great detail, you claimed people were saying specific things for which you can't provide evidence of.
So now you're asking me to look for something different instead.
You've been caught out making stuff up as you have many times before and now you're just being obstinate in the face of admitting you're misrepresentation of facts.
Goodnight.

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Re: A Levels, Covid, Brexit. Worst Government Ever?

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Fri Sep 11, 2020 11:17 pm

Can Burnley claim they aren’t happy with the details of the Gibson transfer from Middlesbrough?

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Re: A Levels, Covid, Brexit. Worst Government Ever?

Post by Damo » Fri Sep 11, 2020 11:28 pm

CombatClaret wrote:
Fri Sep 11, 2020 11:14 pm
I've read all your posts I great detail, you claimed people were saying specific things for which you can't provide evidence of.
So now you're asking me to look for something different instead.
You've been caught out making stuff up as you have many times before and now you're just being obstinate in the face of admitting you're misrepresentation of facts.
Goodnight.
No, I didn't ask you to look for anything. You took that up on yourself in your first reply to one of my comments.
You were really specific about it as far as I can remember. Pedantic almost.
I'm guessing by your retreat that you have been unable to prove your argument.
A simple apology or acceptance that you were wrong would have sufficed.
Ill check back in ten or twenty minutes or so, if I remember to see if you have found anything that suggests im wrong.

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Re: A Levels, Covid, Brexit. Worst Government Ever?

Post by Damo » Fri Sep 11, 2020 11:34 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote:
Fri Sep 11, 2020 11:17 pm
Can Burnley claim they aren’t happy with the details of the Gibson transfer from Middlesbrough?
Probably pal. Why don't you do an Internet search asking "did burnley claim they were unhappy with the details of the Gibson transfer from Middlesbrough 19/08/2018 to 11/09/2020" and see what it throws up
You can always go to bed if it doesn't give you the answer that you probably desire

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Re: A Levels, Covid, Brexit. Worst Government Ever?

Post by Bainsyclaret » Fri Sep 11, 2020 11:47 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:
Fri Sep 11, 2020 10:18 pm
How would you describe a poster who makes fun of another, using wrong words, but makes his point using completely wrong words?

I wrote 'should', you mistakenly mocked 'would'.
I don't know why this made me laugh so much but it did.You should have said have not of.

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Re: A Levels, Covid, Brexit. Worst Government Ever?

Post by tiger76 » Sat Sep 12, 2020 12:00 am

These comments by Steve Baker are hardly likely to aid the government https://uk.yahoo.com/news/tory-mp-not-w ... 1062.html

How can they expect the general public to abide to the guidance, if their own MP'S are showing disquiet about the advice being issued.

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Re: A Levels, Covid, Brexit. Worst Government Ever?

Post by Damo » Sat Sep 12, 2020 12:23 am

Siddo wrote:
Fri Sep 11, 2020 9:11 pm
Having done extensive research on the subject, I can confirm that only leavers and Covid deniers say "would of".
This lack of basic English knowledge does make me wonder how these people understand international law but can't converse or communicate in their mother tongue.
Its always funny when lefties resort to arguments based on use of English language.
Very "nationalistic" don't you think?
You going to pull us up on the words sung in the national anthem next?
Perhaps query their in depth knowledge of the monarchy since its inception?
Its hard to argue that you actually share most of the same values as the people you claim to dislike

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Re: A Levels, Covid, Brexit. Worst Government Ever?

Post by mill hill claret » Sat Sep 12, 2020 12:44 am

How can it be the worst government ever ? ...when no other government has had to sort out the peoples vote of Brexit and had to deal with an unknown pandemic that no one knows anything about ...they call the tory's callous...but everyone has been paid for having time at home

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Re: A Levels, Covid, Brexit. Worst Government Ever?

Post by martin_p » Sat Sep 12, 2020 12:52 am

Damo wrote:
Sat Sep 12, 2020 12:23 am
Its always funny when lefties resort to arguments based on use of English language.
Very "nationalistic" don't you think?
You going to pull us up on the words sung in the national anthem next?
Perhaps query their in depth knowledge of the monarchy since its inception?
Its hard to argue that you actually share most of the same values as the people you claim to dislike
It’s even funnier when it ‘triggers’ someone.

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Re: A Levels, Covid, Brexit. Worst Government Ever?

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sat Sep 12, 2020 1:30 am

Blackburnclaret wrote:
Sat Sep 12, 2020 12:44 am
How can it be the worst government ever ? ...when no other government has had to sort out the peoples vote of Brexit and had to deal with an unknown pandemic that no one knows anything about ...they call the tory's callous...but everyone has been paid for having time at home
They're the worst government ever because some people can't see past what they want to see.

They aren't interested in what the gov did to try and ensure people had money.
They certainly won't be interested that we've had the pandemic.
It's only the negatives they want to see or hear about.

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Re: A Levels, Covid, Brexit. Worst Government Ever?

Post by Greenmile » Sat Sep 12, 2020 2:38 am

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Sat Sep 12, 2020 1:30 am
They're the worst government ever because some people can't see past what they want to see.

They aren't interested in what the gov did to try and ensure people had money.
They certainly won't be interested that we've had the pandemic.
It's only the negatives they want to see or hear about.
You’re setting the bar pretty low when “we’ve had a pandemic” is a positive.

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Re: A Levels, Covid, Brexit. Worst Government Ever?

Post by JohnMcGreal » Sat Sep 12, 2020 6:14 am

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Fri Sep 11, 2020 9:01 pm
We haven't broken any agreements as yet.
We've noticed that the agreement we previously agreed to isn't suitable for us, or being adhered to by the EU.

We therefore wish to alter/end this agreement.

All looks perfectly normal thus far.
Perfectly normal? Seriously? In crazy town, perhaps.

How can a government suddenly 'noticing' several key aspects of a treaty it signed be described as anything other than crushing incompetence?

It's basically an admission that they had no idea what they were signing. A basic and fundamental error that ought to be a resignation matter. Johnson and his government have proved themselves unfit for office.

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Re: A Levels, Covid, Brexit. Worst Government Ever?

Post by JohnMcGreal » Sat Sep 12, 2020 6:21 am

JohnMcGreal wrote:
Sat Sep 12, 2020 6:14 am
Perfectly normal? Seriously? In crazy town, perhaps.

How can a government suddenly 'noticing' several key aspects of a treaty it signed be described as anything other than crushing incompetence?

It's basically an admission that they had no idea what they were signing. A basic and fundamental error that ought to be a resignation matter. Johnson and his government have proved themselves unfit for office.

And that scenario gives them the benefit of the doubt that they are genuinely that stupid and incompetent. The alternative view, and probably the accurate one, is that they knew exactly what was in that withdrawal agreement and always planned to undermine it further down the road.

Meaning they signed it in bad faith, which is pretty catastrophic for our International relations, and that they deliberately lied to and misled their voters in the general election, which ought to be catastrophic for their party's reputation, but who knows these days.

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Re: A Levels, Covid, Brexit. Worst Government Ever?

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sat Sep 12, 2020 8:15 am

Greenmile wrote:
Sat Sep 12, 2020 2:38 am
You’re setting the bar pretty low when “we’ve had a pandemic” is a positive.
It's called factoring in events that are occurring.

If there was no pandemic then the government wouldn't be being labelled as the worst gov ever by the idiots.
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Re: A Levels, Covid, Brexit. Worst Government Ever?

Post by Devils_Advocate » Sat Sep 12, 2020 10:22 am

Johnson on the deal he wants to rip up and cuck in the bin

https://twitter.com/i/status/1304674107687161867

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Re: A Levels, Covid, Brexit. Worst Government Ever?

Post by AndrewJB » Sat Sep 12, 2020 10:27 am

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Sat Sep 12, 2020 8:15 am
It's called factoring in events that are occurring.

If there was no pandemic then the government wouldn't be being labelled as the worst gov ever by the idiots.
John McGreal’s points above alone - without a pandemic - should be enough to label them the worst government ever. The lies and duplicity are off the scale, and there is nothing to redeem them. You can’t say “ah, but at least we had the fewest deaths in Europe” or “thankfully our economy looks strong coming out of this” or “at least they’ve resolved the issue of people coming here in dinghies” They’ve been relentlessly useless.

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Re: A Levels, Covid, Brexit. Worst Government Ever?

Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Sat Sep 12, 2020 10:50 am

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Sat Sep 12, 2020 8:15 am
It's called factoring in events that are occurring.

If there was no pandemic then the government wouldn't be being labelled as the worst gov ever by the idiots.
They would number of u turns alone easily gives them that award!

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Re: A Levels, Covid, Brexit. Worst Government Ever?

Post by Spijed » Sat Sep 12, 2020 10:58 am

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Sat Sep 12, 2020 8:15 am
It's called factoring in events that are occurring.

If there was no pandemic then the government wouldn't be being labelled as the worst gov ever by the idiots.
Explain how events have changed the situation regarding the Irish border?

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Re: A Levels, Covid, Brexit. Worst Government Ever?

Post by nil_desperandum » Sat Sep 12, 2020 11:01 am

Blackburnclaret wrote:
Sat Sep 12, 2020 12:44 am
How can it be the worst government ever ? ...when no other government has had to sort out the peoples vote of Brexit and had to deal with an unknown pandemic that no one knows anything about ...they call the tory's callous...but everyone has been paid for having time at home
Two major flaws in one short post.
Firstly, the Conservatives own the Brexit project , and it's their Withdrawal Bill that they championed and put to our people at the General election, that they are now "sorting out"
And secondly, your final sentence is quite simply a lie. It's not true

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Re: A Levels, Covid, Brexit. Worst Government Ever?

Post by tiger76 » Sat Sep 12, 2020 2:27 pm

So much for the world beating testing system https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54121367

This doesn't bode well for the winter.

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Re: A Levels, Covid, Brexit. Worst Government Ever?

Post by CombatClaret » Sun Sep 13, 2020 11:18 am

tiger76 wrote:
Sat Sep 12, 2020 2:27 pm
So much for the world beating testing system https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54121367
This doesn't bode well for the winter.
Govt claims capacity for 375,000 tests a day but we can't clear 62,000

Now Cummings throw to £100bn (equivilent entire NHS budget) at his mates without any transparency in an attempt to reach 10million tests a day using technology that doesn't exist and which minister seem unable to describe in a plan drawn up "devoid of any contribution from scientists, clinicians, and public health and testing and screening experts".

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Re: A Levels, Covid, Brexit. Worst Government Ever?

Post by FactualFrank » Sun Sep 13, 2020 11:36 am

Teenager fined £10,000 after house party 'got out of hand' and 50 people turned up
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest ... e-22674466

Will no doubt get out of it, but this is the sort of thing I was wanting months ago. The fines should have been much higher than the £60 or whatever it was back in March/April for people who didn't social distance.

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Re: A Levels, Covid, Brexit. Worst Government Ever?

Post by Devils_Advocate » Sun Sep 13, 2020 3:57 pm

Here we go again, MPs like robots doing as their told rather than having the balls to represent themselves and their constituents who voted for them

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Re: A Levels, Covid, Brexit. Worst Government Ever?

Post by tiger76 » Sun Sep 13, 2020 4:10 pm

FactualFrank wrote:
Sun Sep 13, 2020 11:36 am
Teenager fined £10,000 after house party 'got out of hand' and 50 people turned up
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest ... e-22674466

Will no doubt get out of it, but this is the sort of thing I was wanting months ago. The fines should have been much higher than the £60 or whatever it was back in March/April for people who didn't social distance.
I entirely agree FF, but too many complain about civil liberties being breached, even now some backbench Tory MP'S are griping about the minimal restrictions, we're in the midst of a health crisis FFS, maybe if their own government sorted out what their policy was to combat this pandemic, and had a reliable testing strategy we might get somewhere, because there is no way they can enforce another nationwide lockdown, for starters the furlough scheme is winding down, so people have to be able to earn to pay the piper.

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Re: A Levels, Covid, Brexit. Worst Government Ever?

Post by martin_p » Sun Sep 13, 2020 4:43 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Sun Sep 13, 2020 3:57 pm
Here we go again, MPs like robots doing as their told rather than having the balls to represent themselves and their constituents who voted for them

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What are all these threats that have only just come to light (apparently)?

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Re: A Levels, Covid, Brexit. Worst Government Ever?

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sun Sep 13, 2020 5:10 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Sun Sep 13, 2020 3:57 pm
Here we go again, MPs like robots doing as their told rather than having the balls to represent themselves and their constituents who voted for them

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Do they represent remain or leave constituties?

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Re: A Levels, Covid, Brexit. Worst Government Ever?

Post by Devils_Advocate » Sun Sep 13, 2020 5:16 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Sun Sep 13, 2020 5:10 pm
Do they represent remain or leave constituties?
No idea but Id rather MPs thought for themselves and expressed their own opinions rather than them just copy and pasting the latest orders from the Tory HQ Whatsapp group

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Re: A Levels, Covid, Brexit. Worst Government Ever?

Post by FactualFrank » Sun Sep 13, 2020 5:19 pm

Yeah that is a bit cringeworthy.

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Re: A Levels, Covid, Brexit. Worst Government Ever?

Post by tiger76 » Sun Sep 13, 2020 5:28 pm

Benton represents Blackpool South, I don't have the details to hand how that constituency voted, but the numbers for Blackpool as a whole were about 2-1 to leave, so it's far to surmise it was a heavy leave voting seat in 2016.

Mangnall is a more interesting case, he represents Totnes in Devon, and that seat voted narrowly to remain in 2016 as far as I can tell, so he's arguably voting against his constituents, however he wasn't their MP at the time of the referendum vote.

Indeed both the MP'S mentioned were newly elected in 2019, the Conservatives taking Blackpool South from Labour, and Mangnall unseating the former Conservative MP Sarah Wollaston, who defected to the Lib Dems due to the brexit issue.

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Re: A Levels, Covid, Brexit. Worst Government Ever?

Post by nil_desperandum » Sun Sep 13, 2020 5:36 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Sun Sep 13, 2020 5:10 pm
Do they represent remain or leave constituties?
Not really relevant.
One assumes that they stood for the Conservatives at the last election supporting the "fantastic" deal that was the cornerstone of the manifesto, and they both voted for the Withdrawal Agreement (presumably) knowing what was in it.
So their constituents elected them based on their support for the Withdrawal Agreement.

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Re: A Levels, Covid, Brexit. Worst Government Ever?

Post by Damo » Sun Sep 13, 2020 5:42 pm

Amazing seeing all the people on here and on twitter, suddenly bastions of fair play and "my word is my bond" after years of trying to get a democratic result overturned by any means possible
Beyond parody

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Re: A Levels, Covid, Brexit. Worst Government Ever?

Post by aggi » Sun Sep 13, 2020 5:45 pm

CrosspoolClarets wrote:
Fri Sep 11, 2020 10:36 pm
Re your last sentence, I agree, I said at the time it was a handcuff in deal disguise. Sadly my suspicion is that they felt the Remain opposition in the media and in Parliament (even after winning a majority) meant they had to be seen to be avoiding no deal, and they may have intended to break the agreement all along (that is charitable if immoral, there is a chance they and their civil servants got blindsided by it).

Re the legal example, my information is a few years old so some may have got their act together, but the point remains valid that breaches of international law happen all the time. Doesn’t make it right of course, just not unique in a major country.
It was all down to those dastardly remainers again? Given they'd just got an 80 seat majority and culled those with a remain sentiment I think that suggesting they then agreed that deal to keep remain on board is a hell of a stretch.

Whilst he was London mayor Johnson was well known for the lack of planning and consideration of detail and long term implications. Taking into consideration how quickly they forced the WA through and how few MPs read it I think the simpler explanation that they just didn't consider the implications is more likely.

It's amazing how few of the Tories on here will accept that Johnson should take responsibility for a WA he explicitly pushed through.

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Re: A Levels, Covid, Brexit. Worst Government Ever?

Post by tiger76 » Sun Sep 13, 2020 5:45 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:
Sun Sep 13, 2020 5:36 pm
Not really relevant.
One assumes that they stood for the Conservatives at the last election supporting the "fantastic" deal that was the cornerstone of the manifesto, and they both voted for the Withdrawal Agreement (presumably) knowing what was in it.
So their constituents elected them based on their support for the Withdrawal Agreement.
Can't argue with that logic, of course whether these MP'S actually did peruse the WA is up for question, it doesn't appear anybody in the cabinet has, otherwise they'd have surely found this NI border issue, which they claimed was sorted when the original WA was renegotiated by BJ.

But that's what happens when parliament isn't given the time to properly scrutinise bills, and they're rushed through, you get muddled legislation.

Forgive me if I'm confused, but does this mean the Conservatives have now reneged on yet another manifesto pledge, I know there's probably been a few they've rolled back on, so it's hard to keep count.

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Re: A Levels, Covid, Brexit. Worst Government Ever?

Post by nil_desperandum » Sun Sep 13, 2020 5:56 pm

Damo wrote:
Sun Sep 13, 2020 5:42 pm
Amazing seeing all the people on here and on twitter, suddenly bastions of fair play and "my word is my bond" after years of trying to get a democratic result overturned by any means possible
Beyond parody
I can't see any relevance of that to the current situation.
The EU referendum was an entirely domestic internal matter, over which our MPs could not agree. Part of the problem being that all the architects of brexit cleared off as soon as it was voted on, and it was left to a hapless Mrs May to try to salvage something from the wreckage. (A well nigh impossible task with her own party at each other's throats). It made us a laughing stock internationally but didn't breach any treaty. (Basically it was no one else's problem or business)
The current "dispute" concerns an International Treaty that a newly elected Govt - with an 80 seat majority - enthusiastically signed up to just 6 months ago. The whole world will be watching. You use the phrase "My word is my bond". This has always been something that the UK has been respected for. This isn't just a verbal agreement, it's a treaty that we ourselves proposed, and then signed up to in full knowledge of its implications, and knowing that we would be seeking to make a deal with the other party at a later date.

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Re: A Levels, Covid, Brexit. Worst Government Ever?

Post by Damo » Sun Sep 13, 2020 6:17 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:
Sun Sep 13, 2020 5:56 pm
I can't see any relevance of that to the current situation.
The EU referendum was an entirely domestic internal matter, over which our MPs could not agree. Part of the problem being that all the architects of brexit cleared off as soon as it was voted on, and it was left to a hapless Mrs May to try to salvage something from the wreckage. (A well nigh impossible task with her own party at each other's throats). It made us a laughing stock internationally but didn't breach any treaty. (Basically it was no one else's problem or business)
The current "dispute" concerns an International Treaty that a newly elected Govt - with an 80 seat majority - enthusiastically signed up to just 6 months ago. The whole world will be watching. You use the phrase "My word is my bond". This has always been something that the UK has been respected for. This isn't just a verbal agreement, it's a treaty that we ourselves proposed, and then signed up to in full knowledge of its implications, and knowing that we would be seeking to make a deal with the other party at a later date.
My word is my bond stopped being relevant with the various court cases pursued by remainers when they decided the electorate was too thick to decide what they wanted.
Fair play went out of the window when the EU decided that potentially starving the people of NI was less important than Spanish fishermen having access to our waters.
You are right about the whole world watching. Perhaps they will attempt to deal with us with slightly more trepidation, knowing we won't be bullied into a terrible deal following the decisions made this week.
They won't care one jot that the the EU have been slapped down. Infact most people (the Stockholm syndrome sufferers in this country apart obviously) will be laughing into their sleeves

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Re: A Levels, Covid, Brexit. Worst Government Ever?

Post by martin_p » Sun Sep 13, 2020 6:35 pm

Damo wrote:
Sun Sep 13, 2020 5:42 pm
Amazing seeing all the people on here and on twitter, suddenly bastions of fair play and "my word is my bond" after years of trying to get a democratic result overturned by any means possible
Beyond parody
You missed a word out there, any legal means possible.

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Re: A Levels, Covid, Brexit. Worst Government Ever?

Post by nil_desperandum » Sun Sep 13, 2020 6:36 pm

Damo wrote:
Sun Sep 13, 2020 6:17 pm
My word is my bond stopped being relevant with the various court cases pursued by remainers when they decided the electorate was too thick to decide what they wanted.
Fair play went out of the window when the EU decided that potentially starving the people of NI was less important than Spanish fishermen having access to our waters.
You are right about the whole world watching. Perhaps they will attempt to deal with us with slightly more trepidation, knowing we won't be bullied into a terrible deal following the decisions made this week.
They won't care one jot that the the EU have been slapped down. Infact most people (the Stockholm syndrome sufferers in this country apart obviously) will be laughing into their sleeves
I think that Gina Miller went to court to protect the Sovereignty of Parliament that we had voted for, did she not? Wasn't it the case that the govt. were trying to bypass Parliament? Wasn't it the ruling that the law should be upheld?
With regards to the second part of your post, it's already clear that many countries in the world are extremely concerned by this and have come out and said so. USA being just one.
It was Johnson by the way who was prepared to sacrifice NI and put a border down the sea. He owns all this 100%

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Re: A Levels, Covid, Brexit. Worst Government Ever?

Post by Damo » Sun Sep 13, 2020 6:37 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:
Sun Sep 13, 2020 6:36 pm
I think that Gina Miller went to court to protect the Sovereignty of Parliament that we had voted for, did she not? Wasn't it the case that the govt. were trying to bypass Parliament? Wasn't it the ruling that the law should be upheld?
With regards to the second part of your post, it's already clear that many countries in the world are extremely concerned by this and have come out and said so. USA being just one.
It was Johnson by the way who was prepared to sacrifice NI and put a border down the sea. He owns all this 100%
Please don't quote Nancy Pelosi as the usa. She is completely irrelevant

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Re: A Levels, Covid, Brexit. Worst Government Ever?

Post by Damo » Sun Sep 13, 2020 6:39 pm

martin_p wrote:
Sun Sep 13, 2020 6:35 pm
You missed a word out there, any legal means possible.
Ah, the UK is acting illegally now? Haha. Nice one Martin

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Re: A Levels, Covid, Brexit. Worst Government Ever?

Post by nil_desperandum » Sun Sep 13, 2020 7:52 pm

Damo wrote:
Sun Sep 13, 2020 6:37 pm
Please don't quote Nancy Pelosi as the usa. She is completely irrelevant
In what sense is she completely irrelevant? She's not even slightly irrelevant.
She has already reaffirmed that Congress will block any "deal" that jeopardises or undermines the Good Friday agreement.
She said this many months ago, and repeated it in the past 7 days. Apart from the fact that Congress has to approve any deal, there's also a, reasonable at least, chance that the Democrats will have their own President too in a couple of months time. (I don't wish to debate that point here though, since it's hard to call).
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 21632.html
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Re: A Levels, Covid, Brexit. Worst Government Ever?

Post by Damo » Sun Sep 13, 2020 8:08 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:
Sun Sep 13, 2020 7:52 pm
In what sense is she completely irrelevant? She's not even slightly irrelevant.
She has already reaffirmed that Congress will block any "deal" that jeopardises or undermines the Good Friday agreement.
She said this many months ago, and repeated it in the past 7 days. Apart from the fact that Congress has to approve any deal, there's also a, reasonable at least, chance that the Democrats will have their own President too in a couple of months time. (I don't wish to debate that point here though, since it's hard to call).
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 21632.html
Even if she was suddenly thrust into power (let's be honest, she isnt) everything she said in your post is a massive oxymoron.
Being unable to assist NI from GB is the single biggest threat to the peace agreement

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Re: A Levels, Covid, Brexit. Worst Government Ever?

Post by Devils_Advocate » Sun Sep 13, 2020 8:45 pm

FT reporting that the Japan trade deal commits the UK to stricter state aid rules than what the EU are asking for.

So one of the major issues we have with the EU causing us to want to rip up the Treaty we signed is reportedly less stringent than what is included in this amazing Japan deal we have triumphantly negotiated

This is the bullsh*t we are being fed and still the bootlickers continue to lap it up

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Re: A Levels, Covid, Brexit. Worst Government Ever?

Post by Damo » Sun Sep 13, 2020 8:57 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Sun Sep 13, 2020 8:45 pm
FT reporting that the Japan trade deal commits the UK to stricter state aid rules than what the EU are asking for.

So one of the major issues we have with the EU causing us to want to rip up the Treaty we signed is reportedly less stringent than what is included in this amazing Japan deal we have triumphantly negotiated

This is the bullsh*t we are being fed and still the bootlickers continue to lap it up
Aye, they are also making us accept their cholitinated whale meat in exchange for the NHS.

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Re: A Levels, Covid, Brexit. Worst Government Ever?

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sun Sep 13, 2020 8:57 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Sun Sep 13, 2020 8:45 pm
FT reporting that the Japan trade deal commits the UK to stricter state aid rules than what the EU are asking for.

So one of the major issues we have with the EU causing us to want to rip up the Treaty we signed is reportedly less stringent than what is included in this amazing Japan deal we have triumphantly negotiated

This is the bullsh*t we are being fed and still the bootlickers continue to lap it up
You forgot this bit at the end of that article.
. But some lawyers also stressed that the subsidy rules in the Japan bilateral deal were still weak compared with the detailed and invasive EU state aid regime.

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Re: A Levels, Covid, Brexit. Worst Government Ever?

Post by aggi » Sun Sep 13, 2020 8:59 pm

The whole state aid thing is a weird one.

There are loads of people simultaneously decrying Labour's 'Marxist' nationalisation plans whilst complaining about not being able to prop up companies with government money.

On top of that, it's something the UK has rarely done even compared to other EU companies. It's a strange hill to die on unless there is some plan to exploit weaker rules (possibly by tax breaks I'd guess but that's a grey area even under EU rules).

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Re: A Levels, Covid, Brexit. Worst Government Ever?

Post by nil_desperandum » Sun Sep 13, 2020 9:04 pm

Damo wrote:
Sun Sep 13, 2020 8:08 pm
Even if she was suddenly thrust into power (let's be honest, she isnt) everything she said in your post is a massive oxymoron.
Being unable to assist NI from GB is the single biggest threat to the peace agreement
So are you claiming that the House of Representatives don't have to vote on any deal that Trump may or may not negotiate with the UK, (that's assuming he's in power to do so)?

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Re: A Levels, Covid, Brexit. Worst Government Ever?

Post by Devils_Advocate » Sun Sep 13, 2020 9:05 pm

Damo wrote:
Sun Sep 13, 2020 8:57 pm
Aye, they are also making us accept their cholitinated whale meat in exchange for the NHS.
Hope youre ok mate, youve been coming out with some strange sh*t this week
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