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[huw.Y.WattfromWare]

What a set of neanderthal twunts.

[claptrappers_union]

I thought Daily Mail readers said All Lives Matter though?

[DCWat]

Those responses make you proud to be British!

[TheFamilyCat]

I thought Daily Mail readers said All Lives Matter though?

ALM*

*Not all obviously, just most. In fact, probably not even most. Just some, mainly white ones. But not Woke white ones.

[evensteadiereddie]

It'll be interesting to see which of our posters own up to be happy to read that Mail report and support the responses to it.

[TheFamilyCat]

It'll be interesting to see which of our posters own up to be happy to read that.....

They don't have to own up to it. If they don't condemn it they automatically must support it. That's how it works these days.

[evensteadiereddie]

Aye, true enough.

[kentonclaret]

Reportedly now Britain's biggest selling newspaper so there will be plenty of people reading it and subscribing to the views expressed.

[JohnMac]

Regardless of the potential problems immigration of this type brings, to wish someone dead, let alone celebrate the matter is despicable.

[Ptangyangkipperbang]

In fairness the knobs who wrote all that **** probably don't read the mail or any newspaper just see headlines linked onto their social media

[evensteadiereddie]

You'd hope so.

[Rowls]

Don't know where those disgusting comments in the OP come from but they don't appear to come from the Daily Mail website.

The Daily Mail's comments look like this:

[FactualFrank]

Don't know where those disgusting comments in the OP come from but they don't appear to come from the Daily Mail website.

It looks like a Facebook page.

[Rowls]

Thanks Frank.

[Grumps]

Happens in every paper, have you seen the comments on any item mentioning Asians in the LET.

[ClaretMov]

He died carrying out an illegal act, very very sad for the young man and his family

[Awayfromburnley]

There is a non caring, non loving and quite frankly idiotic proportion of this country. Not entirely their fault, they have been brainwashed by social media and parts of the national media.

It isn't hard to care or at least show empathy for others, for most people.

I find the lack of empathy quite disturbing.

[FactualFrank]

There is a non caring, non loving and quite frankly idiotic proportion of this country. Not entirely their fault, they have been brainwashed by social media and parts of the national media.

It isn't hard to care or at least show empathy for others, for most people.

I find the lack of empathy quite disturbing.

I remember reading that a study showed that people now, have 40% less empathy than back in the 1980s. This wasn't the exact article, but it's about the same study:

According to a comprehensive study from the University of Michigan, we care about others 40 percent less than people in the 1980s did, with the biggest drop-off in empathy occurring after the year 2000. Reasons for this drop in empathy is anyone’s guess, but the increase in media (both social and mainstream) and violent video games have been trotted out as the likely suspects.

https://knowledgenuts.com/2013/08/25/hu ... sed-to-be/

[huw.Y.WattfromWare]

There is a non caring, non loving and quite frankly idiotic proportion of this country. Not entirely their fault, they have been brainwashed by social media and parts of the national media.

It isn't hard to care or at least show empathy for others, for most people.

I find the lack of empathy quite disturbing.

Brainwashed by parents and acquaintances. This starts before they know what social media means. If you are brought up in a good home and taught good ideals the sh1t posted in the OP never enters your head.

[KateR]

disgusting set of comments on the DM shared by the OP

[bfcjg]

Tragic waste of a young life how desperate must they be to attempt that crossing. Sad world.

[arise_sir_charge]

Excuse my ignorance on this but why do they take such risk leaving Europe and France to get the UK? What is it we have/offer that France don’t?

Genuine question.

[BenWickes]

Excuse my ignorance on this but why do they take such risk leaving Europe and France to get the UK? What is it we have/offer that France don’t?

Genuine question.

They've read the thread on Black Pudding!

[Devils_Advocate]

The majority dont try to come here but I guess some will speak reasonable English which must give them a far better chance of making a go at a new life if they can get here

Imagine yourself being a refugee making a new life in France compared with say Australia and think how much easier it would be in a place you can fully communicate with people

[PeterWilton]

Excuse my ignorance on this but why do they take such risk leaving Europe and France to get the UK? What is it we have/offer that France don’t?

Genuine question.

They probably speak English and not French if they're trying to get here instead of France.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

Always lovely to see folk celebrating a death of a child.

[Quickenthetempo]

Let's hope the trafficker gets done for Murder and a proper investigation is held.

Poor lad.

[Zlatan]

If someone has the courage and determination to travel as far as these people do to try and make a new life for themselves I welcome them to my country to make an effort.

What’s wrong with trying anything to make a better life for you family?

Genuine question

[huw.Y.WattfromWare]

Purely on the migration issue.
How many safe countries have they travelled through to get to France?
It’s the shithole regimes they are escaping from that need bringing to order.

[Awayfromburnley]

It’s the shithole regimes they are escaping from that need bringing to order.

Absolutely and in part created by our own poor foreign policy, unfortunately.

These people are desperate and I've yet to see a rational argument why we should not help them.

And no, we aren't full.

[BenWickes]

These people are desperate and I've yet to see a rational argument why we should not help them.

Well. I'll oblige. The country on which they arrive on. It's their responsibility under international law. That'll be Spain, Italy, Greece etc and all the countries they travel through. They have the responsibility. Not the UK.

[TheFamilyCat]

Excuse my ignorance on this but why do they take such risk leaving Europe and France to get the UK? What is it we have/offer that France don’t?

Genuine question.

I believe the tour of Anfield is the deal clincher.

[BFCmaj]

April 4th, 1984. Last night to the flicks. All war films. One very good one of a ship full of refugees being bombed somewhere in the Mediterranean. Audience much amused by shots of a great huge fat man trying to swim away with a helicopter after him, first you saw him wallowing along in the water like a porpoise, then you saw him through the helicopters gunsights, then he was full of holes and the sea round him turned pink and he sank as suddenly as though the holes had let in the water, audience shouting with laughter when he sank.

then you saw a lifeboat full of children with a helicopter hovering over it. there was a middle-aged woman might have been a jewess sitting up in the bow with a little boy about three years old in her arms. little boy screaming with fright and hiding his head between her breasts as if he was trying to burrow right into her and the woman putting her arms round him and comforting him although she was blue with fright herself, all the time covering him up as much as possible as if she thought her arms could keep the bullets off him. then the helicopter planted a 20 kilo bomb in among them terrific flash and the boat went all to matchwood. then there was a wonderful shot of a child’s arm going up up up right up into the air a helicopter with a camera in its nose must have followed it up and there was a lot of applause from the party seats but a woman down in the prole part of the house suddenly started kicking up a fuss and shouting they didnt oughter of showed it not in front of kids they didnt it aint right not in front of kids it aint until the police turned her turned her out i dont suppose anything happened to her nobody cares what the proles say typical prole reaction they never…

George Orwell, 1984

[Stayingup]

Don't know where those disgusting comments in the OP come from but they don't appear to come from the Daily Mail website.

The Daily Mail's comments look like this:

Definitely not from Daily Mail comment section. The first lot anyway. So much hatred about and social and hell social media brings it out.

[Awayfromburnley]

Well. I'll oblige. The country on which they arrive on. It's their responsibility under international law. That'll be Spain, Italy, Greece etc and all the countries they travel through. They have the responsibility. Not the UK.

So how do these countries manage? Some argue too many come here, is it really fair due to nothing more than geography that those nearest bear the burden.

We surely have an equal responsibility?

I accept it isn't quite the same, but during WW2 we didn't send children to the nearest village. We dispersed them around the country, to ease the burden.

[Woodleyclaret]

Maybe it's the French government's feeble attempts to stop boats leaving
We have given them millions to police the beaches and deal with the issue
Also why are the migrants not been detained at Marseille. It's a 1000miles from Marseille to Calais
The other draw is our willingness to give out benefit and shelter
Other countries on route are not prepared to offer much if any incentive to stay.

[BenWickes]

So how do these countries manage? Some argue too many come here, is it really fair due to nothing more than geography that those nearest bear the burden.

We surely have an equal responsibility?

I accept it isn't quite the same, but during WW2 we didn't send children to the nearest village. We dispersed them around the country, to ease the burden.

It could have been dealt with better I grant you but that's down to trafficking and not friendly nations. Whichever way you slice it. A nation cannot allow immigrants to wander from nation to nation. You'd think Covid was a damn good reason!
I digress. A buffer zone somewhere under UN control would be ideal. A proper one. We cannot just have people entering the country unchallenged. It is a challenge but they should be dealt with at source. Libya seems popular but all across the borders of the MED. It's sad but it really is not our problem when so many other western nations, are between us.

[BFCmaj]

Well. I'll oblige. The country on which they arrive on. It's their responsibility under international law. That'll be Spain, Italy, Greece etc and all the countries they travel through. They have the responsibility. Not the UK.

https://fullfact.org/immigration/refuge ... e-country/

[martin_p]

https://fullfact.org/immigration/refuge ... e-country/

Yep, the only power we have to return asylum seekers to the first EU country club he/she entered will be gone in four and a half months.

[BenWickes]

https://fullfact.org/immigration/refuge ... e-country/

To my knowledge immigrants ARE supposed to be dealt with at point of entry. In any case. Why should we take them when they have been through several countries with equal/better economy and/or weather?
I am pretty sure your link is not correct. As said. It's irrelevant. They're escaping brutality or war. They hit Greece, then it's their problem not ours.Greece is a lovely country, warm, dry and peaceful. Why trudge through several other countries and expect the British to welcome them? What part of that don't you get? We don't owe them anything

[GodIsADeeJay81]

To my knowledge immigrants ARE supposed to be dealt with at point of entry. In any case. Why should we take them when they have been through several countries with equal/better economy and/or weather?
I am pretty sure your link is not correct. As said. It's irrelevant. They're escaping brutality or war. They hit Greece, then it's their problem not ours.Greece is a lovely country, warm, dry and peaceful. Why trudge through several other countries and expect the British to welcome them? What part of that don't you get? We don't owe them anything

Depends on where they're from.

If it's an area that's been destabilised through the actions of the UK, like Iraq or Libya then yes maybe we do owe them something, because we interfered and left behind a mess.

Other countries then not so much.

I don't agree with them wandering all over the EU to get here, but to say we owe none of them anything is a bit much.

[dougcollins]

Priti Patel.

Kind of ironic (but not in any humorous way) that an immigrant gets to decide what other immigrants should or shouldn't do.

[BFCmaj]

To my knowledge immigrants ARE supposed to be dealt with at point of entry. In any case. Why should we take them when they have been through several countries with equal/better economy and/or weather?
I am pretty sure your link is not correct. As said. It's irrelevant. They're escaping brutality or war. They hit Greece, then it's their problem not ours.Greece is a lovely country, warm, dry and peaceful. Why trudge through several other countries and expect the British to welcome them? What part of that don't you get? We don't owe them anything

The UK currently accommodates at most 44,000 asylum seekers in total.‬
‪That figure accounts for just 0.06% of the UK population.‬
‪Asylum seekers are entitled to an allowance of £37.75 a week to live on.‬
‪In total, this allowance for every single asylum seeker in the entire country comes to, at most, £1.6m a week, or £86m every year.‬
‪However, in comparison, just this week it was revealed that the government wasted almost double that amount after handing a £252m contract to a company owned by one of Liz Truss’s own advisors to source PPE and they ended up chucking £150m of it down the drain by buying useless masks. This is just one example in a truly monstrous list of wasted taxpayers’ money on Boris Johnson’s watch.‬
‪If you’re angry because you think this country can’t afford asylum seekers, you should be 100 times more angry at the astonishing waste caused by this incompetent and deeply corrupt government. ‬

[BenWickes]

Depends on where they're from.

If it's an area that's been destabilised through the actions of the UK, like Iraq or Libya then yes maybe we do owe them something, because we interfered and left behind a mess.

Other countries then not so much.

I don't agree with them wandering all over the EU to get here, but to say we owe none of them anything is a bit much.

This is why I mentioned a buffer zone internationally supported. God knows the Iraq war was our (I say our but it was Bliar) fault. It's basically everyone's fault but let's create a buffer. I am all for funding it with a substantial part of our FAF (Foreign Aid Fund) and actually create safe havens until they can go home. I'm not heartless. I just think there must be a way we can, as an international community. Create camps that are actually liveable.

[Siddo]

Wasn't Brexit all about the UK controlling its own borders? You know, taking back control?

Now we are upset about a few desperate people risking their lives for a better life on 30 odd quid a week until they get a job.

This town with a Tory MP and voting leave is hardly going to give a reasonable reply to the immigration argument.

[Bin Ont Turf]

If someone has the courage and determination to travel as far as these people do to try and make a new life for themselves I welcome them to my country to make an effort.

What’s wrong with trying anything to make a better life for you family?

Genuine question

Nothing, but we're an overpopulated piddling little island, that's the problem we have.

Although I'm sure that there are some on this thread who would take at least one of the fluent English speaking immigrants in to their home.

[Cirrus_Minor]

Excuse my ignorance on this but why do they take such risk leaving Europe and France to get the UK? What is it we have/offer that France don’t?

Genuine question.

Maybe we should ask them. Probably want to escape constant war and hopeless poverty.

[fanzone]

Excuse my ignorance on this but why do they take such risk leaving Europe and France to get the UK? What is it we have/offer that France don’t?

Genuine question.

Firstly if like to say what a tragic waste if a young life.

The best way to stop these risks being taken is to make it known that nobody entering this country illegallywill be given anything other than a one way ticket back to the country they come from. If they don't confirm where they are from they will be imprisoned on absolute basic rations until the information is provided.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

Judging by the replies on the OP thread maybe the there is a trade off to be had. Hope millionaire man of the people Nige continues his Dads Army sketches.