Is Burnley still in local lockdown?

[Mala591]

Does anybody know?

Does anybody care?

Any positive covid results over the last week in Burnley postcode areas?

What is our MP doing about this totally confusing situation?

Most importantly, can I go out for a few pints with my friends tomorrow?

[Top Claret]

Never been in lockdown. Every mon and his owd dog name spot just gets on wi job

[GodIsADeeJay81]

https://www.goodtoknow.co.uk/wellbeing/ ... own-548615

[Wellsy1882]

No

[Sozturf7]

It's not F in local. It's a fix to alow them to shut down certain areas that they want to without problems.

[FactualFrank]

https://www.goodtoknow.co.uk/wellbeing/ ... own-548615

So yes, if that list is accurate.

[Grumps]

So yes, if that list is accurate.

Hospital admissions down to almost nil
Daily Covid deaths in single figures
Flu killing 7 times more people than covid

And still in lockdown..........

[MACCA]

Nope, just like 95% of the town, just keep doing what you like.

Infact to be fair can anyone genuinely say theyve stuck to 100% of all guidelines and instructions 100% of the time?

[conyoviejo]

Nope, just like 95% of the town, just keep doing what you like.

Infact to be fair can anyone genuinely say theyve stuck to 100% of all guidelines and instructions 100% of the time?

I did until that twohat went up to Durham.,then I thought phook it .

[Grumps]

I did until that twohat went up to Durham.,then I thought phook it .

What lockdown restrictions did he break?..... To avoid a long boring thread I'll tell you, according to the police none, by going up to Durham
Anyway I would think most people are breaking them now. The NHS has been protected, and like I said above, the figures don't justify it now, in my opinion

[conyoviejo]

What lockdown restrictions did he break?..... To avoid a long boring thread I'll tell you, according to the police none, by going up to Durham
Anyway I would think most people are breaking them now. The NHS has been protected, and like I said above, the figures don't justify it now, in my opinion

I never said he broke any.

[ClaretTony]

Nope, just like 95% of the town, just keep doing what you like.

Infact to be fair can anyone genuinely say theyve stuck to 100% of all guidelines and instructions 100% of the time?

Yes I have. And it is the dicks who are flouting them who have left me, and many others, trapped at home.

So sorry but it is downright wrong, selfish and irresponsible to tell people to do what they want.

[Wile E Coyote]

if one thing became obvious during this 5 month period, its the colossal amount of selfish, self centred people there are in the UK.
It has been serious enough pandemic to kill 45000 of our citizens, yet the ignorant ******** just carried on doing exactly what they wanted. Definately not enough decent people around anymore.

[ClaretCraig]

Hospital admissions down to almost nil
Daily Covid deaths in single figures
Flu killing 7 times more people than covid

And still in lockdown..........

I'll listen to the experts and people advised by the experts rather than someone who was too stupid to recognise Bin Laden.

[Jimscho]

Nope, just like 95% of the town, just keep doing what you like.

Infact to be fair can anyone genuinely say theyve stuck to 100% of all guidelines and instructions 100% of the time?

Yes.Until about 3 weeks ago neither my wife or myself had been in a shop on a bus or any enclosed space.I am over 70 with diabetes and my wife is approaching 70 with Asthma.Its has been very annoying to see people partying etc with no care for anybody but theirselves.
Luckily we have two sons and family who have done our shopping etc.I know of quite a few older sensible people who have also been doing the same.It would appear many,not all,younger people are very selfish.

[MACCA]

Yes I have. And it is the dicks who are flouting them who have left me, and many others, trapped at home.

So sorry but it is downright wrong, selfish and irresponsible to tell people to do what they want.

I feel for those who have genuinely 100% followed EVERY SINGLE GUIDELINE, but they are few and far between.

I was the same for 8 weeks, but then realised, I was fighting a losing battle, and it was only me and my family it was negatively effecting by strictly following the very grey and not very clear guidelines.

[Grumps]

I'll listen to the experts and people advised by the experts rather than someone who was too stupid to recognise Bin Laden.

Which bit of what I've said is wrong?

[MACCA]

Yes.Until about 3 weeks ago neither my wife or myself had been in a shop on a bus or any enclosed space.I am over 70 with diabetes and my wife is approaching 70 with Asthma.Its has been very annoying to see people partying etc with no care for anybody but theirselves.
Luckily we have two sons and family who have done our shopping etc.I know of quite a few older sensible people who have also been doing the same.It would appear many,not all,younger people are very selfish.

So now 3 weeks later all is ok to do what you like?

Not saying it's right or wrong, I strictly stuck to them for 8 solid weeks and it had a negative impact on all of my family.
Since I've been careful and going about my normal ( kind off ) life nothing has happened untoward, and my family has lived a far happier and safer life with no adverse effects.

[MACCA]

if one thing became obvious during this 5 month period, its the colossal amount of selfish, self centred people there are in the UK.
It has been serious enough pandemic to kill 45000 of our citizens, yet the ignorant ******** just carried on doing exactly what they wanted. Definately not enough decent people around anymore.

Fully agree, and yet they're still playing sport , and millions of people " can't wait" to get sport back.

Way too many 2 faced people about.
If they were so concerned about all things covid, these people wouldn't be leaving the house, and wouldn't be wanting sport etc back as it would be increasing the risk.

Quite happy to call 6 people selfish for having a bbq, yet will quite happily watch and cheer on 22 blokes kicking s ball about on a.field, as it suits their enjoyment.

Hypocrites!

[Jimscho]

So now 3 weeks later all is ok to do what you like?

Not saying it's right or wrong, I strictly stuck to them for 8 solid weeks and it had a negative impact on all of my family.
Since I've been careful and going about my normal ( kind off ) life nothing has happened untoward, and my family has lived a far happier and safer life with no adverse effects.

No i am not doing what i like.I am only seeing grandchildren at a distance as required and not in an enclosed space or the garden.I have now been in a shop,on a bus and to a cafe where social distancing is carried out and mainly with outside dining.Only done these thing because people have been masked.No i am definitely not doing what i like.

[paulatky]

I'll listen to the experts and people advised by the experts rather than someone who was too stupid to recognise Bin Laden.

And someone who thought the cases of civid may well have peaked on March 16th

[MACCA]

No i am not doing what i like.I am only seeing grandchildren at a distance as required and not in an enclosed space or the garden.I have now been in a shop,on a bus and to a cafe where social distancing is carried out and mainly with outside dining.Only done these thing because people have been masked.No i am definitely not doing what i like.

Well you doing this could and will trigger others to do similar and so on.

People whinging about other people not be 100% safe with covid when they're not doing the same is laughable.

When Mr A does things that suits them regards covid, then Mr B will copy and so on.

Go in any shop, cafe, bus, pub or restaurant in town and I guarantee not everyone will be wearing a mask.
Why? Because they dont have to, it's not the law

[cricketfieldclarets]

Inconsistent messaging. Contradictory rules. Selfish citizens. Is it any wonder it’s pretty much a free for all in all but name now?

Reality is people now have to take their own precautions that they’re comfortable with. And tbh moving forward that is probably the way it should be.

Protect the vulnerable. The rest should have the reigns loosened somewhat.

Protecting those at risk is definitely required. But equally we aren’t protecting those at lower risks. The future of kids. The current generations jobs and livleihoods. Stopping other essential medical visits and treatment. And everyone’s mental health is all under pressure.

The more we learn about it the more it’s clear that most (not all) will be ok.

[Grumps]

I'll admit breaking the rules locally, looking after grandkids whilst 4 key workers have gone to work.
Not been to any parties, pubs, not been in friends houses, have seen elderly parents, but outside away from the house
Although I've broken one of the local restrictions, I've still been sensible. The alternative was for 3 NHS and one teacher not being able to work.

[Dyched]

So now 3 weeks later all is ok to do what you like?

Not saying it's right or wrong, I strictly stuck to them for 8 solid weeks and it had a negative impact on all of my family.
Since I've been careful and going about my normal ( kind off ) life nothing has happened untoward, and my family has lived a far happier and safer life with no adverse effects.

I’m not so sure he’s saying that Macca.

If I’m right up until the shops began opening public transport was only to be used by essential workers etc. I read it as he/she stuck to those rules and has since used transport/shops since the rules have changed along the way.

[Dyched]

I haven’t stuck to the local rules. They make no sense whatsoever. So I can’t sit in the garden with family? At distance? In the open air? But I’m okay to work in the hospitality industry with 50 odd different household visiting everyday with them not having to wear a mask, indoors, whilst having their greasy hands, slobbering germs all over the place?

[MACCA]

I’m not so sure he’s saying that Macca.

If I’m right up until the shops began opening public transport was only to be used by essential workers etc. I read it as he/she stuck to those rules and has since used transport/shops since the rules have changed along the way.

I have also followed all guidelines in place, yet still not seen grand kids or been to cafes etc.
What is silly is those holier than thou folk complaining about others doing a different versions of being selfish that what they are.
Hypocrites

[Jimscho]

I’m not so sure he’s saying that Macca.

If I’m right up until the shops began opening public transport was only to be used by essential workers etc. I read it as he/she stuck to those rules and has since used transport/shops since the rules have changed along the way.

You are correct i am following the rules.Not sure why Macca seems to be taking issue with what i am doing and have done.

[Jimscho]

I have also followed all guidelines in place, yet still not seen grand kids or been to cafes etc.
What is silly is those holier than thou folk complaining about others doing a different versions of being selfish that what they are.
Hypocrites

Not sure i am happy being called a ‘holier than thou folk’or ‘hypocrite’ for just following the rules.You are obviously an ignorant person who needs to wind your neck in.Wont be replying further to you as i dont get involved with people who are just trying to pick an argument for the sake of it.Bye have a good lockdown.

[MACCA]

Not sure i am happy being called a ‘holier than thou folk’or ‘hypocrite’ for just following the rules.You are obviously an ignorant person who needs to wind your neck in.Wont be replying further to you as i dont get involved with people who are just trying to pick an argument for the sake of it.Bye have a good lockdown.

I'm also following the rules, and thank you for wishing me a good lock down, it's going really well at the moment, really enjoying it. In fact, been better than normal life these past few weeks.

Cheaper family meals out, great weather for family gatherings, bbq galore, pubs re opened, amateur footy back to watch, all we need back now Is professional footy and everything is hunkey dorey.

[martin_p]

I'm also following the rules, and thank you for wishing me a good lock down, it's going really well at the moment, really enjoying it. In fact, been better than normal life these past few weeks.

Cheaper family meals out, great weather for family gatherings, bbq galore, pubs re opened, amateur footy back to watch, all we need back now Is professional footy and everything is hunkey dorey.

You said you gave up strictly following the rules after eight weeks!

[ClaretTony]

You said you gave up strictly following the rules after eight weeks!

He also told everyone to do what they like.

On Monday last week I had an emergency dental appointment and the dentist is around two and a half miles from home. I walked it there (downhill) but couldn’t face walking home so had to get the bus. I wasn’t comfortable given not everyone was wearing a mask and I was relieved to get off. It’s the only time I’ve been out of the house in weeks. Then I read someone on here telling people to do what they like.

[mdd2]

Things do seem to be changing in so far as numbers with infections are rising but deaths and admissions at the moment are not. However until we know the reasons why this is so-and it is still possible it will take off big time again we still need to practice infection controls which for the public remain pretty simple namely
Social distancing, wash hands regularly; now wear masks in shops on public transport-simple rules easy to apply and we need to remember that one persons' sniffles from Covid is another persons death sentence if we pass it on.
For those who say f**k these "rules" I would like to wish them a miserable Covid illness but I won't, I hope they stay well, not for their sake but for the poor professionals who will have to risk their necks sorting out the selfish uncaring tossers who do become infected and seriously ill because they have not kept to the advice.

[dsr]

A lot of the problem is that the rules say that anyone who fancies a trip down the pub for a few pints can do so without masks and without restriction, but anyone who wants to visit their old mother and sit in the garden two metres apart to have a chat may not. Some people, understandably, think that a one-on-one chat in a garden is less risky than a crowded session in a pub.

And when the rules become so obviously nonsensical, it is little wonder that people start to break them. I have done it myself. When friends came round, we could quite legitimately have stood at our front door and chatted with them standing on the footpath two metres away; but instead we went round to the garden and sat down two metres away. I doubt we dramatically increased the risk of coronavirus by moving those ten yards; but I'm certain we broke the rule. My apologies to all those whose lives were put at risk.

But that's the point. A lot of the rules are stupid, so people get into the habit of breaking the rules, and once they're in the habit of breaking the rules, they are likely to break more of them. If the rules were coherent there would be better observance.

[clarethomer]

The rules are inconsistent in my opinion.

I can meet with my brother and his family in the park where there are twenty other families doing the same thing, but for him to come to my house and for us to see in the same SQ/M space with no other families is not allowed. Looking at the other people in the park, there appears to be many big families/groups which would assume high occupancy households.

I wear a mask indoors in public spaces where I may be doing some shopping but I can go to the gym without one, swim and spend 2 hrs in the company of people sweating and being out of breath with only social distancing and wiping down of equipment as my protection.

I went to get tested, last week - not because I was ill but because I had been out more than usual for last 2 weeks. Came back negative.

Feels to me like these rules, whilst well intended, are not really making any sense because they are led by commercial interest. Thing is that we have has 60 odd cases in pendle out of 91k. These are cases - not deaths.

It's frustrating for those who are trying to obey the rules and I feel that I am still but I am not convinced that they are the right rules now given the stats we are seeing.

[mdd2]

Agree dsr but the two or three things if you include masks are germaine to preventing cross infection -social distance wash hands regularly and frequently. Cannot get much simpler than that.
Many of the restrictions appearing are because social distancing is not universal as we can see from watching the news.
We will be testing the tomorrow as we come out of 5 weeks quarantine caused by my wife having elective surgery. The two weeks before surgery became three as the date was put back and then 5 days before her op Nice changed the length of pre-op isolation-and we have to isolate for 2 weeks post-op after discharge home. 12.30 August 21st-out for .

[mdd2]

Clarethomer-this virus is not that happy outside which is why whilst there are concerns about gatherings outside it is a far bigger risk inside. The bigger families under one roof are safer outside than in. Winter will be more difficult because we spend less time outside. Better in the beer garden than inside the pub, but wherever possible keep to social distancing and I would be avoiding places where that is not possible. I will see what it is like in the restaurant tomorrow.

[ksrclaret]

I doubt many people could tell you the list rules of they are supposed to follow, let alone put them into practice.

This virus is not going away any time soon. It will be years, possibly decades before it is eliminated, if at all. Everyone will have to adapt around it. It's a concept that has been around since the first group of biological molecules got together and formed a cell. Survival of the fittest.

[jrgbfc]

We can't all hide away in our houses waiting for a vaccine that may take years. If people don't get on with their lives and get the economy going again there'll be no NHS or public services left for when we're hopefully back to "normal" anyway.

[BenWickes]

We've been following the rules 100%. Apart from rare trips wearing masks to the corner shop, everything from groceries, paint to bicycle tyres has been delivered. Not been anywhere apart from work by bike. Our company is hygiene based anyway so very little contact with people. Even the dog walks are very early morning 6 am and 1.30 am. Not visited anyone or had any visitors. We've been doing this before lockdown was enforced. It's not rocket science and didn't need telling to do it. Apart from very brief conversations at the corner shop under a mask, from delivery drivers at distance and at work under masks and visor. Neither my wife or myself has had any contact with anyone since early March. Frankly it's been brilliant for us as we are not people persons anyway so it's given us a perfect reason to avoid almost all social contact.

[mdd2]

Sensible Ben, but getting on with life does mean getting to and from work and some social contact 2 metres apart. Because we rely so heavily on the service industries as our manufacturing base has lessened over the years the economy will continue to take a big hit. We would be out for lunch three times a week before all this kicked off and today is our first lunch out since lockdown and I think we have had fish and chips three times and 3 takeaway curries since mid March and before that we would have at least two evening take aways or eat outs per month.
I drive 14,000miles per annum and since mid March I have done about 300miles have a full tank which has been topped up twice.

[BenWickes]

Sensible Ben, but getting on with life does mean getting to and from work and some social contact 2 metres apart. Because we rely so heavily on the service industries as our manufacturing base has lessened over the years the economy will continue to take a big hit. We would be out for lunch three times a week before all this kicked off and today is our first lunch out since lockdown and I think we have had fish and chips three times and 3 takeaway curries since mid March and before that we would have at least two evening take aways or eat outs per month.
I drive 14,000miles per annum and since mid March I have done about 300miles have a full tank which has been topped up twice.

We work in food production so hygiene has always been strict, even stricter now. Was hard to breathe the other week with a mask and visor in the humidity. I know life must go on but I've just been to the corner shop for Ibuprofen as it's hard to get. Half the customers weren't wearing masks so on that basis I couldn't trust being in a pub or restaurant or Asda as who knows where else they've been or had contact with? Limit contact as best you can but try to maintain a sense of normality.

[MACCA]

You said you gave up strictly following the rules after eight weeks!

Correct.

I had to return to work.
Sadly my mortgage and other bill's wouldn't pay themselves, and my family needed feeding.

Maybe I should have tried to fo the whole 12 weeks with no income at all coming into the household.

[Burnley1989]

Correct.

I had to return to work.
Sadly my mortgage and other bill's wouldn't pay themselves, and my family needed feeding.

Maybe I should have tried to fo the whole 12 weeks with no income at all coming into the household.

It’s a lot easier for those that no longer work and can shield to complain about those that are back working who aren’t what you would consider ‘at risk’ likewise those with little choice as they need to save their livelihoods. Everybody’s circumstances are different and whilst there will always be selfish people, you’ve to be careful who you judge as you don’t know their circumstances.

I’ve friends that worked through the whole of lock down, I think theyve struggled with the whole concept as they’ve not really had to experience being locked away, have stayed healthy and followed guidelines. Thankfully, we are hopefully over the worst of it, unfortunately for some of us, we will probably be out of work and struggling to support our families over the next 12 months.

[DanH90]

I don’t really understand this ‘the rules are inconsistent and stupid logic.’ It’s fairly obvious to me, banning people from meeting in gardens is because those people will end up going inside the house, and the virus spreads more easily indoors than outdoors. And before people argue that isn’t true, one trip in the car around Burnley will prove my point quite firmly.

[1968claret]

Will be interesting to see if we remain in local restrictions. The infection rate for Burnley has halved over the last two weeks. We are now at around the national average.
Given that infection rates are the key to any local considerations, this should lead to the local restrictions being lifted.

[MACCA]

It’s a lot easier for those that no longer work and can shield to complain about those that are back working who aren’t what you would consider ‘at risk’ likewise those with little choice as they need to save their livelihoods. Everybody’s circumstances are different and whilst there will always be selfish people, you’ve to be careful who you judge as you don’t know their circumstances.

I’ve friends that worked through the whole of lock down, I think theyve struggled with the whole concept as they’ve not really had to experience being locked away, have stayed healthy and followed guidelines. Thankfully, we are hopefully over the worst of it, unfortunately for some of us, we will probably be out of work and struggling to support our families over the next 12 months.

I agree with many of your points.

I believe IF we could have totally locked the country down for 2 weeks and done a wuhan type operation we would have been better served, but after doing 8 weeks of totally following guidelines, totally closing down work etc we couldnt do it any longer.

Not only would it have put me and my wife out of business, the ripple effect would have effected dozens more in various ways.

Our whole lives changed, the health and mentality of the whole house nose dived.
Fully understand those who have shielded 100% for the whole time we have had family do the same, but they are few and far between, but still regardless, people will continue to do as they like.

I cant criticise anyone who's going to work, their daily business etc, whilst I'm happy to work, watch my local teams play sport, play sport myself etc.

Some of these who are going what they like could be taking as many if not more precautions than those playing professional sport etc.
Yet they are accused of being selfish.

Peoples families health etc is more important than sport, those doing the judging need to look at what they find acceptable and not. I think if they're honest, theyll be being just as selfish as the ones they're accusing.

[Grumps]

Will be interesting to see if we remain in local restrictions. The infection rate for Burnley has halved over the last two weeks. We are now at around the national average.
Given that infection rates are the key to any local considerations, this should lead to the local restrictions being lifted.

Don't hold your breath.....

[arise_sir_charge]

I don’t think folk fully understand how these rules and guidance are formed.

In all decision making there will be an acceptance that not everyone will follow every rule.

Masks in shops is an obvious one. If 70% of people follow that rule, the risk in that environment has been cut exponentially.

Look at it like a speed limit on a road. Not everyone sticks to it, but the fact it exists and the majority of people do, makes the road much safer.

That’s not to say breaking the rules is fine, it isn’t, but like speed limits it’s impossible to police everywhere all the time and so working on the basis that the majority will adhere achieves success in minimising the associated risk.

[CharlieinNewMexico]

Yes I have. And it is the dicks who are flouting them who have left me, and many others, trapped at home.

So sorry but it is downright wrong, selfish and irresponsible to tell people to do what they want.

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