ARTICLE: Pope named in England squad

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Re: ARTICLE: Pope named in England squad

Post by TommyJohnson » Tue Aug 25, 2020 3:30 pm

Tony you have put Jason Shancho instead of Sancho on the article.

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Re: ARTICLE: Pope named in England squad

Post by bfcjg » Tue Aug 25, 2020 3:32 pm

Is Maguire in because he is more attack minded, adds punch to the midfield and his aerial assaults cause havoc to people defending ?
Who knows it's all Greek to me.
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Re: ARTICLE: Pope named in England squad

Post by ClaretTony » Tue Aug 25, 2020 3:32 pm

TommyJohnson wrote:
Tue Aug 25, 2020 3:30 pm
Tony you have put Jason Shancho instead of Sancho on the article.
Thanks - corrected it.

I think there is another error too - I've spelt Tarkowski as M I N G S
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Re: ARTICLE: Pope named in England squad

Post by ClaretTony » Tue Aug 25, 2020 3:33 pm

bfcjg wrote:
Tue Aug 25, 2020 3:32 pm
Is Maguire in because he is more attack minded, adds punch to the midfield and his aerial assaults cause havoc to people defending ?
Who knows it's all Greek to me.
Do you not know who he is? :D
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Re: ARTICLE: Pope named in England squad

Post by Bigvince » Tue Aug 25, 2020 3:33 pm

We beat the footballing giants Tunisia and Panama in the group stages, needed penalties to get past Columbia and beat Sweden 2-0 in the quarters. Hardly the hardest opponents! Each game against a decent side we were beaten. I consider Southgate to have had a very kind draw at the World Cup
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Re: ARTICLE: Pope named in England squad

Post by TheOriginalLongsider » Tue Aug 25, 2020 3:35 pm

Raheem Sterling was at Ussain Bolt's party where Bolt seems to have caught Covid 19 ....


England squad - take a pen and cross loads of them out. Declan Rice ????

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Re: ARTICLE: Pope named in England squad

Post by TommyJohnson » Tue Aug 25, 2020 3:38 pm

Vince & Pashley for the England job.

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Re: ARTICLE: Pope named in England squad

Post by ClaretTony » Tue Aug 25, 2020 3:39 pm

Bigvince wrote:
Tue Aug 25, 2020 3:33 pm
We beat the footballing giants Tunisia and Panama in the group stages, needed penalties to get past Columbia and beat Sweden 2-0 in the quarters. Hardly the hardest opponents! Each game against a decent side we were beaten. I consider Southgate to have had a very kind draw at the World Cup
and that's exactly how he got lucky

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Re: ARTICLE: Pope named in England squad

Post by Bigvince » Tue Aug 25, 2020 3:40 pm

At least he hasn’t selected Benson and Hedges :D

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Re: ARTICLE: Pope named in England squad

Post by ashtonlongsider » Tue Aug 25, 2020 3:46 pm

Think Southgate needs to pick players on ability and not for what club they represent. What's Phillips done to warrant a call up? The midfield looks very weak and inexperienced for me and Mings, Gomez and Dier in front of Tarks, I find it hard to understand.

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Re: ARTICLE: Pope named in England squad

Post by Bigvince » Tue Aug 25, 2020 3:48 pm

ashtonlongsider wrote:
Tue Aug 25, 2020 3:46 pm
Think Southgate needs to pick players on ability and not for what club they represent.
What a novel idea

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Re: ARTICLE: Pope named in England squad

Post by BurnleyFC » Tue Aug 25, 2020 4:10 pm

Well done Nick but an absolute joke that Eric Dier and Tyrone Mings get in ahead of Tarkowski.

Time for the goofy one to go.

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Re: ARTICLE: Pope named in England squad

Post by Vino blanco » Tue Aug 25, 2020 4:16 pm

Southgate will also keep picking younger players from the so called bigger clubs, because it keeps the bigger clubs' fans happy and it always gives him the 'jam tomorrow' excuse that it's a young team and 'work in progress', which can improve with time.
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Re: ARTICLE: Pope named in England squad

Post by expoultryboy » Tue Aug 25, 2020 4:16 pm

Anyone who can make money out of missing a penalty for England should be no where near the position he's in .

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Re: ARTICLE: Pope named in England squad

Post by superdimitri » Tue Aug 25, 2020 4:29 pm

It's okay, plenty of time and games left before the cup for the usual suspects to make even more mistakes.

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Re: ARTICLE: Pope named in England squad

Post by LAM » Tue Aug 25, 2020 4:34 pm

3 right backs so assuming Walker has edged in ahead of Tarkowski as a centre back as well.

I try to remain non-bias, but hard to say that Southgate doesn’t hold some big club favour when Dier is chosen ahead of Tarks.

Well deserved on Pope.

Taylor not ready yet but another repeat season who knows.

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Re: ARTICLE: Pope named in England squad

Post by BenWickes » Tue Aug 25, 2020 4:42 pm

Southgate just joins all past managers in towing the FA party line. It's about money and who's face fits. Nothing to do with ability or form. Twas ever thus.
Brian Clough was the best manager England never had and that was because he was outspoken and wouldn't give two figs what the FA said or thought. They couldn't have that and wont have that.
Before anyone goes on and says 'But Peter Taylor!' I am aware of the partnership but I think Clough would have been a far bigger success than any before or since because he picked players based on ability, not celebrity.

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Re: ARTICLE: Pope named in England squad

Post by Stayingup » Tue Aug 25, 2020 4:43 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Tue Aug 25, 2020 2:08 pm
Mings in - Tarkowski out - makes no sense at all to me. I know I'm biased but I just don't get that at all.
Absolutely. Lost the plot has hot cross bun @sre.

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Re: ARTICLE: Pope named in England squad

Post by Stayingup » Tue Aug 25, 2020 4:44 pm

BenWickes wrote:
Tue Aug 25, 2020 4:42 pm
Southgate just joins all past managers in towing the FA party line. It's about money and who's face fits. Nothing to do with ability or form. Twas ever thus.
Brian Clough was the best manager England never had and that was because he was outspoken and wouldn't give two figs what the FA said or thought. They couldn't have that and wont have that.
Before anyone goes on and says 'But Peter Taylor!' I am aware of the partnership but I think Clough would have been a far bigger success than any before or since because he picked players based on ability, not celebrity.
Yes lije I say sat on the fence. @rse like a hot cross bun

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Re: ARTICLE: Pope named in England squad

Post by Rileybobs » Tue Aug 25, 2020 5:06 pm

I've backed the majority of Southgate's decision up to now, but leaving out Tarkowski has left me pretty much lost for words. I can only presume that he didn't like what he saw when called up - be that his pace or athleticism. I could understand Mings being selected in his place but Eric Dier, really?

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Re: ARTICLE: Pope named in England squad

Post by MrTopTier » Tue Aug 25, 2020 5:12 pm

Well done to Nick although he won’t be No 1.

Nice to see Ings and Tripps in there as well.

England have been crap for 50 years, so no real surprise that Southgate continues the trend.
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Re: ARTICLE: Pope named in England squad

Post by Tall Paul » Tue Aug 25, 2020 5:33 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Tue Aug 25, 2020 5:06 pm
I've backed the majority of Southgate's decision up to now, but leaving out Tarkowski has left me pretty much lost for words. I can only presume that he didn't like what he saw when called up - be that his pace or athleticism. I could understand Mings being selected in his place but Eric Dier, really?
I reckon he must go on whoscored and sort by pass completion stats to select his defenders.

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Re: ARTICLE: Pope named in England squad

Post by Dinks » Tue Aug 25, 2020 5:36 pm

Maybe Tarks omission is only a shock to our support,maybe we overrate him,maybe Southgate is right not to pick him,he should be in in place of fathead Harry,go around snotting & bribing people and you play for the biggest club in the country it seems hes undropable

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Re: ARTICLE: Pope named in England squad

Post by Longsidebogs » Tue Aug 25, 2020 5:42 pm

Vino blanco wrote:
Tue Aug 25, 2020 2:11 pm
Tarkowski should be in the England squad. If he played for Spurs or Arsenal for example, I am sure he would be in there.
And that my friend is it in a nutshell. Burnley cannot be seen to have several full England internationals. Tarky is miles better than Mings. But he plays for Burnley.

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Re: ARTICLE: Pope named in England squad

Post by Vino blanco » Tue Aug 25, 2020 5:46 pm

My Spurs mate has just texted me saying "Can't believe Dier is in the England squad and your captain Tarkowski isn't!".

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Re: ARTICLE: Pope named in England squad

Post by bobinho » Tue Aug 25, 2020 5:49 pm

Maybe the manager thinks that we are a bit like Man City and Barcelona/Real Madrid in that we don’t actually need any defenders who can defend... just midfielders with a bit of pace to carry the ball forward because we rarely will have to defend.

We (Burnley) set up to defend. Every single game we play showcases our defenders for the quality they are, so I can only assume the modern international game has no place for defenders. The selection of Tyrone mings would support that argument.

Delighted for Nick, but i fancy he will need to take a cushion...
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Re: ARTICLE: Pope named in England squad

Post by wilks_bfc » Tue Aug 25, 2020 5:50 pm

Dinks wrote:
Tue Aug 25, 2020 5:36 pm
Maybe Tarks omission is only a shock to our support,maybe we overrate him,maybe Southgate is right not to pick him,he should be in in place of fathead Harry,go around snotting & bribing people and you play for the biggest club in the country it seems hes undropable
Yeah. We’re seeing this through claret tinted specs
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Re: ARTICLE: Pope named in England squad

Post by wilks_bfc » Tue Aug 25, 2020 5:50 pm

And not forgetting Mings


Should have pointed out that I got the screenshots from a twitter post, but tbh it is something that I would have done myself :lol:
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Re: ARTICLE: Pope named in England squad

Post by bobinho » Tue Aug 25, 2020 5:51 pm

Well there you are... it’s all about “goals conceded”. :o

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Re: ARTICLE: Pope named in England squad

Post by wilks_bfc » Tue Aug 25, 2020 5:56 pm

bobinho wrote:
Tue Aug 25, 2020 5:51 pm
Well there you are... it’s all about “goals conceded”. :o
Yep I “realised” that as I posted them :roll:

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Post by hoskinsgoalatswansea » Tue Aug 25, 2020 5:58 pm

It’s a joke that Tarkowski isn’t in. I hoped Southgate would be a manager that was able to look beyond playing for a big club. It’s like that’s the only way a player’s ability can be validated. A good manager should have good judgement to see past that. If you can’t you may as well just let the league table pick your team.

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Re: ARTICLE: Pope named in England squad

Post by Tall Paul » Tue Aug 25, 2020 6:01 pm

bobinho wrote:
Tue Aug 25, 2020 5:51 pm
Well there you are... it’s all about “goals conceded”. :o
It's more likely to be about pass completion, which seems to be missing from wilks' stats.

Seriously, Southgate has made it quite clear that he wants his defenders to be able to play it out from the back so it's understandable why he doesn't pick Tarks. Stupid, but understandable.

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Post by wilks_bfc » Tue Aug 25, 2020 6:06 pm

Weren’t my stats but these are to include the passes
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Post by wilks_bfc » Tue Aug 25, 2020 6:06 pm

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Post by northernpowerhouse » Tue Aug 25, 2020 6:09 pm

NewClaret wrote:
Tue Aug 25, 2020 2:11 pm
Kalvin Phillips in :lol: :lol: :lol:
As he should be. Beggars can't be choosers and England aren't in a position to overlook a talented ball-playing defensive midfielder just because he's been playing in the championship. We're crying out for a Carrick-style player who can sit deep and set the tempo.

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Post by Bigvince » Tue Aug 25, 2020 6:10 pm

Carrick style😱
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Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Tue Aug 25, 2020 6:17 pm

wilks_bfc wrote:
Tue Aug 25, 2020 5:50 pm
And not forgetting Mings


Should have pointed out that I got the screenshots from a twitter post, but tbh it is something that I would have done myself :lol:
For a bloke who's meant to be a defender, it would appear Mings doesn't do a lot of it based on those stats.

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Post by SalisburyClaret » Tue Aug 25, 2020 6:38 pm

If Southgate was picking the England cricket team, Anderson wouldn’t be in the squad
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Re: ARTICLE: Pope named in England squad

Post by Dinks » Tue Aug 25, 2020 6:42 pm

SalisburyClaret wrote:
Tue Aug 25, 2020 6:38 pm
If Southgate was picking the England cricket team, Anderson wouldn’t be in the squad
Brilliant :lol:

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Re: ARTICLE: Pope named in England squad

Post by jrgbfc » Tue Aug 25, 2020 6:49 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Tue Aug 25, 2020 3:23 pm
Not just Tarkowski missing though is it? Some of the names in that squad beggar belief.
I agree that Tarkowski is worth a look, but I think unless he moves on and performs for a so called "bigger" club Southgate just isn't going to pick him. Personally I think its stranger not at least having a look at Charlie Taylor when there's no other left backs there.
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Post by jrgbfc » Tue Aug 25, 2020 6:54 pm

Bigvince wrote:
Tue Aug 25, 2020 3:33 pm
We beat the footballing giants Tunisia and Panama in the group stages, needed penalties to get past Columbia and beat Sweden 2-0 in the quarters. Hardly the hardest opponents! Each game against a decent side we were beaten. I consider Southgate to have had a very kind draw at the World Cup
The record books show we got to the Semis though. Something Glen Hoddle and Sven Goran Eriksson never achieved with England despite having far better squads.

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Post by Bigvince » Tue Aug 25, 2020 6:59 pm

jrgbfc wrote:
Tue Aug 25, 2020 6:54 pm
The record books show we got to the Semis though. Something Glen Hoddle and Sven Goran Eriksson never achieved with England despite having far better squads.
🤷‍♂️

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Re: ARTICLE: Pope named in England squad

Post by boatshed bill » Tue Aug 25, 2020 7:04 pm

It's a pity that when Tarks played for England he didn't do particularly well. i don't think a change of club would necessarily help him to get back in the national squad.

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Post by HollandsPies » Tue Aug 25, 2020 7:43 pm

Maguire will have no doubt offered Southgate a bribe.

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Post by Roosterbooster » Tue Aug 25, 2020 7:56 pm

aggi wrote:
Tue Aug 25, 2020 2:39 pm
Although I'd rate Mings higher than Dier.
At CB I rate Ings over Dier too!!

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Re: ARTICLE: Pope named in England squad

Post by tiger76 » Tue Aug 25, 2020 7:57 pm

jrgbfc wrote:
Tue Aug 25, 2020 6:54 pm
The record books show we got to the Semis though. Something Glen Hoddle and Sven Goran Eriksson never achieved with England despite having far better squads.
That's true England did reach the last 4 at the WC, but most football connoisseurs know that going that deep was flattering to Southgate and the squad,
let's see how far England progress at the next Euro's when there'll be no easy games to navigate, and despite reaching the semis it was still a big opportunity missed by England, given the fact that many of the favourites fell by the wayside, that's unlikely to be the case next year, and the pressure will be on England to at least match their 2018 showing.

And if England hadn't survived that penalty shoot out with Colombia Gareth could well have been shown the door, the sticking block to England winning tournaments is the midfield, defence and keeper, up front there's a goal threat, but you just can't see England being tight enough at the back in the latter stages of tournaments to proceed past the better teams, when push comes to shove.

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Re: ARTICLE: Pope named in England squad

Post by BurnleyFC » Tue Aug 25, 2020 8:01 pm

Zlatan wrote:
Tue Aug 25, 2020 7:47 pm
Maguire been dropped...

https://www.thefa.com/news/2020/aug/25/ ... ate-250820
Southgate will probably call up Phil Jones now.
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Re: ARTICLE: Pope named in England squad

Post by Tribesmen » Tue Aug 25, 2020 8:26 pm

The thing is England have so many very good players to pick from always so many have to miss out

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Re: ARTICLE: Pope named in England squad

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Tue Aug 25, 2020 8:54 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Tue Aug 25, 2020 3:12 pm
No but his granddad used to be in charge of the FA so he got a good start.
Come on. You don’t think a player plays as many games for club and country because his grandad was once part of the FA?

A manager like pochetino and mourinho would never entertain that.

Dier is a decent if unassuming player.

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