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chess puzzle
I can't take it any longer, I need help. Supposedly, white can get checkmate in 3 moves whatever black does. White to play and is playing up the board...[/img]
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Re: chess puzzle
Surely, white playing down the board.
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Re: chess puzzle
no, up
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Re: chess puzzle
Pawn b7- b8 Exchange for a queen
Queen b8 - d6?
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Re: chess puzzle
no because black can have its turn and move away
Re: chess puzzle
White Q. D 6
Black can only go E 4
White Q E5 check mate
Black can only go E 4
White Q E5 check mate
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Re: chess puzzle
No forget that
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Re: chess puzzle
The white pawn 2 moves to become a queen and wherever black king moves he cab be checkmated
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Re: chess puzzle
Bishop to d3 then whatever black does queen to d6
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Re: chess puzzle
Black spots (and the random blue one too) represent squares the king cannot move to as they are protected by pieces already in place.
green spots represent the squares the king can move to without being in check.
Once the queen is brought into play, this can be moved into a position which is provides check mate.
Had a long day at work and it's been a while since i played chess.. Does that not work?
green spots represent the squares the king can move to without being in check.
Once the queen is brought into play, this can be moved into a position which is provides check mate.
Had a long day at work and it's been a while since i played chess.. Does that not work?
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Re: chess puzzle
Qxb3+ Ke4
Qd3+ Kd5
Qf5 mate
Black has one option for the first move which would give
Qxb3+ Kc5
Qc4 mate
Qd3+ Kd5
Qf5 mate
Black has one option for the first move which would give
Qxb3+ Kc5
Qc4 mate
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Re: chess puzzle
Not quite because of
Bd3 Kc6
Qd6+ Kb7
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Re: chess puzzle
No I dont think that is the answer...
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Re: chess puzzle
Queen to c4 then black king has to go to e4 then white knight goes to g5 then black king has to go to e5 then white queen to c5. CHECKMATE
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Kick the board over ... stamp your feet ... stomp upstairs to bed crying "I'm never playing chess with you again" ......
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Re: chess puzzle
I have found 2 different ways of obtaining check mate in 2 moves.
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Re: chess puzzle
black king can go to f5 and escapeNickPopeFan wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2020 7:18 pmQueen to c4 then black king has to go to e4 then white knight goes to g5 then black king has to go to e5 then white queen to c5. CHECKMATE
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Re: chess puzzle
I don't think you have2 Bee Holed wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2020 7:53 pmI have found 2 different ways of obtaining check mate in 2 moves.
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Re: chess puzzle
Have you checked my response Super Teds?
If I'm not right I don't know why at this point.
If I'm not right I don't know why at this point.
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Chess should be banned ..... in these enlightened times of BLM
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Re: chess puzzle
Oh - now I get it my queen is taken by the black bishop
Back to the drawing board
Back to the drawing board
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If black replied to Qxb3+ with Kc5 then Qc4 would not be mate as black could go Kxb6Zooniverser wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2020 8:37 pmHave you checked my response Super Teds?
If I'm not right I don't know why at this point.
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Re: chess puzzle
It's difficult because there's more than one way depending what black does, just like the last time a chess puzzle came up.
The first move though is queen to A5.
Blacks next move is irrelevant - nothing can stop what would happen next (I don't think). So let's say he moves his pawn to try and Queen it.
White moves Bishop to A6 putting king in check with the queen.
Black obviously has to move out of check - king to E6, C6 or E4.
King to E6 means that Bishop to C8 is mate
King to E4 means Knight to G5 is mate
King to C6 means Queen to B5 is mate
I can't find a scenario whereby Blacks first move is important. There may be some knight hopping I haven't considered but I can't see it.
If instead of moving the pawn, the black player moves his king then the scenario changes a little but the outcome is the same - 3 move mate, but black would be unlikely to move the king unless forced, especially with the potential of a game changing second queen.
The first move though is queen to A5.
Blacks next move is irrelevant - nothing can stop what would happen next (I don't think). So let's say he moves his pawn to try and Queen it.
White moves Bishop to A6 putting king in check with the queen.
Black obviously has to move out of check - king to E6, C6 or E4.
King to E6 means that Bishop to C8 is mate
King to E4 means Knight to G5 is mate
King to C6 means Queen to B5 is mate
I can't find a scenario whereby Blacks first move is important. There may be some knight hopping I haven't considered but I can't see it.
If instead of moving the pawn, the black player moves his king then the scenario changes a little but the outcome is the same - 3 move mate, but black would be unlikely to move the king unless forced, especially with the potential of a game changing second queen.
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Re: chess puzzle
duncandisorderly wrote: ↑Thu Aug 27, 2020 9:39 amIt's difficult because there's more than one way depending what black does, just like the last time a chess puzzle came up.
The first move though is queen to A5.
Blacks next move is irrelevant - nothing can stop what would happen next (I don't think). So let's say he moves his pawn to try and Queen it.
White moves Bishop to A6 putting king in check with the queen.
Black obviously has to move out of check - king to E6, C6 or E4.
King to E6 means that Bishop to C8 is mate
King to E4 means Knight to G5 is mate
King to C6 means Queen to B5 is mate
I can't find a scenario whereby Blacks first move is important. There may be some knight hopping I haven't considered but I can't see it.
If instead of moving the pawn, the black player moves his king then the scenario changes a little but the outcome is the same - 3 move mate, but black would be unlikely to move the king unless forced, especially with the potential of a game changing second queen.
The problem is black's first move. Instead of moving the pawn, black could move knight G1-F3 and ultimately take the white knight so all the above is redundant. So forcing the king to move after putting it in check straight away is what I thought is the way to go but I'm still not convinced it's possible in 3. It's doing my head in!
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Sorry. Super ted, it was the two black knights being in such an unusual position. Can't get my head round how that's happened.
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Re: chess puzzle
I don't think that can happen?Super Teds wrote: ↑Thu Aug 27, 2020 10:00 amThe problem is black's first move. Instead of moving the pawn, black could move knight G1-F3 and ultimately take the white knight so all the above is redundant. So forcing the king to move after putting it in check straight away is what I thought is the way to go but I'm still not convinced it's possible in 3. It's doing my head in!
queen to A5
black knight to f3
bishop to a6 puts king in check, so the king has to move before the knight can move again, so the knight never gets into position to take the white knight.
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Re: chess puzzle
When the white knight moves to G5 it's check, not checkmate because the black knight now already on f3 can just take the white knight on G5duncandisorderly wrote:Thu Aug 27, 2020 10:06 amI don't think that can happen?
queen to A5
black knight to f3
bishop to a6 puts king in check, so the king has to move before the knight can move again, so the knight never gets into position to take the white knight.
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Re: chess puzzle
If the king moves to E4 then White knight moves to D6 instead of G5.Super Teds wrote: ↑Thu Aug 27, 2020 10:10 amWhen the white knight moves to G5 it's check, not checkmate because the black knight now already on f3 can just take the white knight on G5
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Re: chess puzzle
You could be right with that actually, I've bee staring at it so long I can't concentrate! However, after Queen to A5 black King could move to E6 straight away and avoid all that
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Re: chess puzzle
Qxb3+, Bc6+ and Nh6#Super Teds wrote: ↑Wed Aug 26, 2020 5:57 pmI can't take it any longer, I need help. Supposedly, white can get checkmate in 3 moves whatever black does. White to play and is playing up the board...[/img]
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Re: chess puzzle
Brilliant!!!!duncandisorderly wrote: ↑Thu Aug 27, 2020 9:39 amIt's difficult because there's more than one way depending what black does, just like the last time a chess puzzle came up.
The first move though is queen to A5.
Blacks next move is irrelevant - nothing can stop what would happen next (I don't think). So let's say he moves his pawn to try and Queen it.
White moves Bishop to A6 putting king in check with the queen.
Black obviously has to move out of check - king to E6, C6 or E4.
King to E6 means that Bishop to C8 is mate
King to E4 means Knight to G5 is mate
King to C6 means Queen to B5 is mate
I can't find a scenario whereby Blacks first move is important. There may be some knight hopping I haven't considered but I can't see it.
If instead of moving the pawn, the black player moves his king then the scenario changes a little but the outcome is the same - 3 move mate, but black would be unlikely to move the king unless forced, especially with the potential of a game changing second queen.
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Re: chess puzzle
not quite - King moves straight away to E6 and so white can't get checkmate
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Re: chess puzzle
I don't understand this. Bishop to b6 isn't possible
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Re: chess puzzle
I had a quick look last night and made my comment.
So obviously I am not seeing something.
White Queen to C4
King has to move to e4
Queen to d3 = checkmate...... doesn't it?
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Re: chess puzzle
no, the king just moves back to d52 Bee Holed wrote: ↑Thu Aug 27, 2020 12:49 pmI had a quick look last night and made my comment.
So obviously I am not seeing something.
White Queen to C4
King has to move to e4
Queen to d3 = checkmate...... doesn't it?
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Re: chess puzzle
A quick look says that this works
I'd misread the original notion but I agree with the amended post from PeterWilton which is what I thought he meant in the first place
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Re: chess puzzle
no I don't think it makes sense. bishop can't move to b6 unless I'm misunderstanding
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Re: chess puzzle
Something along the lines of
WQb3-BKe4, WPf3-BKf5, WBd7-Check Mate
Black King could move to C5 first move but not had time to check if White can check in 3 moves if that happens
WQb3-BKe4, WPf3-BKf5, WBd7-Check Mate
Black King could move to C5 first move but not had time to check if White can check in 3 moves if that happens
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Re: chess puzzle
I meant Bc6+.
My solution is correct with the correct notation
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Re: chess puzzle
I edited it to correct the b6/c6 error. But once again, the incorrect answer is Qxb3+, Bc6+ and Nh6#.
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Re: chess puzzle
What if black responds to Qxb3 with Kc5PeterWilton wrote: ↑Thu Aug 27, 2020 8:14 pmI edited it to correct the b6/c6 error. But once again, the correct answer is Qxb3+, Bc6+ and Nh6#.
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Re: chess puzzle
Good point. So actually the solution is Qc4+, Bc6+ and Nh6#
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Can King not respond e4, f5 and g5 to escape mate?PeterWilton wrote: ↑Thu Aug 27, 2020 8:29 pmGood point. So actually the solution is Qc4+, Bc6+ and Nh6#
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Re: chess puzzle
If the king moves to E6 on blacks first move then the next white move is bishop to C6.Super Teds wrote: ↑Thu Aug 27, 2020 11:59 amnot quite - King moves straight away to E6 and so white can't get checkmate
From there the king cannot move to any square without putting itself in check. It's not in mate yet, but it cannot move. So Blacks second move is completely irrelevant so the final white move, queen to D5, makes it mate in three turns.
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Re: chess puzzle
If black plays Knight e3 second move the queen cant mate on d5 as the black knight will be attacking that squareduncandisorderly wrote: ↑Thu Aug 27, 2020 8:53 pmIf the king moves to E6 on blacks first move then the next white move is bishop to C6.
From there the king cannot move to any square without putting itself in check. It's not in mate yet, but it cannot move. So Blacks second move is completely irrelevant so the final white move, queen to D5, makes it mate in three turns.
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It can't though can it?Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑Thu Aug 27, 2020 9:00 pmIf black plays Knight e3 second move the queen cant mate on d5 as the black knight will be attacking that square
Queen to A5
Knight to E3
Bishop to A6
Black king in check so must move. The knight can't get there as the king must move out of check and it occupies the square the knight would take. The king can only go to E6 (then queen to D5) or C6 (then queen to B5)
Either way it's still check in three.
It's a poor question because there are so many variables and so many answers, but whatever black chooses to do, provided the first move is white queen to A5, white wins in three if it reacts accordingly to Blacks first move.
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Re: chess puzzle
My understanding of what you originally said wasduncandisorderly wrote: ↑Thu Aug 27, 2020 9:11 pmIt can't though can it?
Queen to A5
Knight to E3
Bishop to A6
Black king in check so must move. The knight can't get there as the king must move out of check and it occupies the square the knight would take. The king can only go to E6 (then queen to D5) or C6 (then queen to B5)
Either way it's still check in three.
It's a poor question because there are so many variables and so many answers, but whatever black chooses to do, provided the first move is white queen to A5, white wins in three if it reacts accordingly to Blacks first move.
Qa5-ke6
bc6-black moves
Qd5 check mate
I am saying on blacks second move (when it is not in check) it can play Knight to e3 which stops you d5 mate
I want you to get the answer cos its doing my head in but that isnt it. Let me look at the amended version youve put above and see if that works
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Re: chess puzzle
So you have said Qa5 and I respond Ke6. Whats your next two moves to mate me?
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Re: chess puzzle
****.
OK. It's Qd6+, Ng5+ and Qd4#
**** ****. This is wrong too. Why is this thread even here? This is worse than the cencel culture thread and that got locked.
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Re: chess puzzle
So the black moves Knight to E3 scenario pans out like;
Queen to A5
Knight to E3
Bishop to A6 - king in check
King moves to E6 OR king moves to C6
Bishop to C8 OR queen to B5
Queen to A5
Knight to E3
Bishop to A6 - king in check
King moves to E6 OR king moves to C6
Bishop to C8 OR queen to B5