Brentford pulling another rabbit out of the hat

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Brentford pulling another rabbit out of the hat

Post by Woodleyclaret » Mon Aug 31, 2020 12:19 pm

Brentfords signing of Toney is a shrewd move
He looked useful in FA cup v us.
He can develop and has a good potential sell on value.
I know before I get slagged off ,Brentford aren't Premier league but they do seem to have a knack of discovering gems that others dont.
The business model seems to work but the sale of the new ground and lease back would make me nervous if I were a Bees supporter.
You need to keep control of your ground not speculate with its value
Look at Coventry and Bolton for two cautionary tales when you dont own your ground.

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Re: Brentford pulling another rabbit out of the hat

Post by ClaretAL » Mon Aug 31, 2020 12:43 pm

I didn't think much to him when he played against us.

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Re: Brentford pulling another rabbit out of the hat

Post by Longsidelenny1882 » Mon Aug 31, 2020 12:44 pm

Said after the cup game worth a punt utc
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Re: Brentford pulling another rabbit out of the hat

Post by Conroysleftfoot » Mon Aug 31, 2020 12:47 pm

It will be interesting to see how he does this season. I presume they will now sell Watkins to Villa.

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Re: Brentford pulling another rabbit out of the hat

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Mon Aug 31, 2020 12:47 pm

Is £5 million shrewd?

We've paid a lot less for strikers who turned out to be shrewd afterwards.

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Re: Brentford pulling another rabbit out of the hat

Post by dandeclaret » Mon Aug 31, 2020 12:52 pm

Hasn't Brentford's "Successful Business Model" seen them sell their ground and grow net debt by over £100m in the last 7 years?

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Re: Brentford pulling another rabbit out of the hat

Post by mdd2 » Mon Aug 31, 2020 12:54 pm

Five year contract and deal could reach £10million

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Re: Brentford pulling another rabbit out of the hat

Post by Chester Perry » Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:35 pm

didn't Peterborough say £13m was the price when he was being linked to us vast difference in what Brentford have paid there

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Re: Brentford pulling another rabbit out of the hat

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:37 pm

dandeclaret wrote:
Mon Aug 31, 2020 12:52 pm
Hasn't Brentford's "Successful Business Model" seen them sell their ground and grow net debt by over £100m in the last 7 years?
https://twitter.com/SwissRamble/status/ ... 14209?s=19

Debt was at around £60 million according to last accounts with wages operating at 124% of turnover.

Without player sales they'd be knackered even more.

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Re: Brentford pulling another rabbit out of the hat

Post by Rowls » Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:56 pm

Brentford are currently a very well built house.

Made out of a deceptively expensive pack of cards.

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Re: Brentford pulling another rabbit out of the hat

Post by Andingle » Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:06 pm

That's Ace, hope he's a diamond as they are one of the better clubs.

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Re: Brentford pulling another rabbit out of the hat

Post by MrTopTier » Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:09 pm

Rowls wrote:
Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:56 pm
Brentford are currently a very well built house.

Made out of a deceptively expensive pack of cards.
Agreed and plying their trade in the second tier of English football, but apparently its the model to follow.

Toney’s bobbins as well.

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Re: Brentford pulling another rabbit out of the hat

Post by ClaretTony » Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:20 pm

Interesting one about Toney. He said he wanted to leave Peterborough to go and play in the Premier League. Peterborough confirmed that they had not received a single enquiry from any Premier League club.

Will this be a good deal for Peterborough or Brentford? Time will tell.

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Re: Brentford pulling another rabbit out of the hat

Post by kenyon6923 » Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:31 pm

99% of clubs cannot afford the proven real deal they have little choice other to rely on speculation or a wonderful uk/European scouting system. Not many clubs are producing 1st team players with their academy's either 1-2 here and there.

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Re: Brentford pulling another rabbit out of the hat

Post by Devils_Advocate » Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:35 pm

No idea about their finances and whether the club is being run well or is a disaster waiting to happen but if you look at the size and history of Brentford FC them having a sustained period in the second tier and challenging for promotion to the Premier League is a massive achievement

In almost 70 years of football they've only spent one season above tier 3 and had steadily averaged gates of around 5-6k before getting into the Championship. Something has been done right at Brentford over the last 10 years and Id guess at least part of that is to find players they can improve, get some value from on the pitch and then sell on for decent money

Whether part of this success has been pumping money to cover losses which leaves them unstable I dont know but on the pitch Brentford have been punching well above their weight just like we have been in the Premier League

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Re: Brentford pulling another rabbit out of the hat

Post by ClaretTony » Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:43 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:37 pm
https://twitter.com/SwissRamble/status/ ... 14209?s=19

Debt was at around £60 million according to last accounts with wages operating at 124% of turnover.

Without player sales they'd be knackered even more.
There’s an interesting comment at the link re the transfer market being depressed by COVID. That was posted in May but current evidence suggests that’s not going to be the case.

Fantastic system if you can continue to sign players and then sell them on for profits. Just the problem when inevitably you get two or three difficult years when the sales become less lucrative.

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Re: Brentford pulling another rabbit out of the hat

Post by kentonclaret » Mon Aug 31, 2020 5:06 pm

Although the fee paid to Exeter City was "undisclosed" it was rumoured to be in the ballpark of £1.8m. Ollie Watkins was also "EFL young player of the year" so could hardly be put in the bracket of "under the radar." But Brentford were the club that struck the deal and will reap the rewards when he moves on for a substantially higher fee.

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Re: Brentford pulling another rabbit out of the hat

Post by Jakubs Tash » Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:49 pm

"Another rabbit out of the hat" - hahaha!!!

Yeah, nobody has ever heard of this Toney chap. Superb scouts down at Brentford....

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Re: Brentford pulling another rabbit out of the hat

Post by Longsidelenny1882 » Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:54 pm

Thought he looked half decent in the cup game on the turf good movement a bit of pace time will tell if he can hack it going up the football ladder utc

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