Nixon again

[ewanrob]

Nixon

The budget is clearly limited. Common theme is low offers at home and abroad. First team group is strong. Not much underneath. It is what it is. He would have gone if a big move came on. Once again that hasn’t happened. May have hit own glass ceiling. Mind you he gets paid well

The big six or seven always want a glamour name. It’s a shame. But Dyche on fantastic money so it’s a gold plated fur lined coffin for him

I do wonder where he gets all this

[FactualFrank]

I do wonder where he gets all this

Yet I find it difficult to disagree with any of it.

[ClaretTony]

Nixon

The budget is clearly limited. Common theme is low offers at home and abroad. First team group is strong. Not much underneath. It is what it is. He would have gone if a big move came on. Once again that hasn’t happened. May have hit own glass ceiling. Mind you he gets paid well

The big six or seven always want a glamour name. It’s a shame. But Dyche on fantastic money so it’s a gold plated fur lined coffin for him

I do wonder where he gets all this

Nothing we don’t know there. I have been consistent in believing that we would have been looking for a new manager had a decent vacancy come up for Dyche. Simple fact is there have been no vacancies.

[FactualFrank]

Nothing we don’t know there. I have been consistent in believing that we would have been looking for a new manager had a decent vacancy come up for Dyche. Simple fact is there have been no vacancies.

Reckon the board are planning ahead and looking for the next manager? It's surely the sensible thing to do, so that we're sorted when he does move.

[randomclaret2]

Its hard to disagree with much of what Nixon says here.

[boatshed bill]

Nothing we don’t know there. I have been consistent in believing that we would have been looking for a new manager had a decent vacancy come up for Dyche. Simple fact is there have been no vacancies.

Totally agree. He was hoping for better.
He will be lucky if he gets a better job than BFC

[ClaretTony]

Reckon the board are planning ahead and looking for the next manager? It's surely the sensible thing to do, so that we're sorted when he does move.

Remember having a meeting with Hoos a couple of weeks after the Dyche appointment and he said to us that you always have to be looking for your next manager. You would think all clubs do but then you see clubs sack a manager and then have no idea which way to turn.

[PremierLeagueClass]

Shame for Dyche in that he won’t be given the chance to progress his career. It’s perfect for us though. The snobbery of the big clubs has helped us greatly these last few years.

You never know, the dream scenario could unfold where we get some serious investment and then we will see if Dyche can create something truly special at Burnley (he already has in my eyes but you get the idea).

[bodge]

I remember Lee Hoos saying that he had a huge dossier on managers, this will be in place at all serious clubs, so should SD depart then they should already have the criteria in place for a replacement and a preferred list of candidates.

Let's hope we don't need to use it soon.

[ClaretTony]

I remember Lee Hoos saying that he had a huge dossier on managers, this will be in place at all serious clubs, so should SD depart then they should already have the criteria in place for a replacement and a preferred list of candidates.

Let's hope we don't need to use it soon.

Strange man at times was Hoos but overall I got on with him quite well, you just needed to take cover when he lost his temper. He’s been working at chief exec level now in football for a lot of years too so hugely experienced.

[bodge]

Yes been at QPR for some time, done well to survive really as a lot of players have gone recently including the family silver Hugill and Eze.

[ClaretTony]

Yes been at QPR for some time, done well to survive really as a lot of players have gone recently including the family silver Hugill and Eze.

Left us for QPR in April 2015 with Dave Baldwin stepping up at Burnley

[Danieljwaterhouse]

Dyche as said would’ve gone had the right job come up.

I think this is when more info came out about the sale/investment to keep his head focused and placated.

I still think we could lose him to an Aston Villa, Newcastle, Southampton, type role if we don’t get the right package round him soon.

He (rightly) believes he can coach at the top table and will be plotting a way to that table with the path of least resistance.

He is close to getting dubbed the new fat sam and then his path is over. The recent England Squad announcement and the rumours that Southgate doesn’t see the way our players play as compatible with his squad are damaging.

We all know this is pragmatic and in no way limits his practices but to the outside world it’s becoming stereotypical

[bodge]

Any more info on the sale/investment Daniel ?

[NewClaret]

Nixon’s a d***, I’ve decided.

[Darthlaw]

Only way Dyche will move up the food chain is a move to Spain, Italy or (more likely) Germany.

I fear the ‘team spirit’ employed here won’t work on the continent, though.

[FactualFrank]

Nixon’s a d***, I’ve decided.

I think that was all agreed and rubber stamped a long time ago.

[FactualFrank]

Only way Dyche will move up the food chain is a move to Spain, Italy or (more likely) Germany.

I fear the ‘team spirit’ employed here won’t work on the continent, though.

Several clubs in the Prem he'd go to.

[Cubanclaret]

With respect, Nixon’s words here succinctly nails our situation to a tee. They could have been uttered by many a contributor of this Board, but we look to him and others in the journalism world to bring us something we don’t know....rather than something we do. The thing about pay is bang on. At few clubs (if any) is the manager better Paid than the top players. And that’s why he should always ‘park’ any frustrations pretty quickly and get on with the job he gets Extremely well paid for.

[NewClaret]

I think that was all agreed and rubber stamped a long time ago.

Ignoring him from now on.

[FactualFrank]

Ignoring him from now on.

Tony knows him better than I, but adding both his comments and what I've seen of his tweets, he's clearly very much someone who tweets for an ego boost.

[Danieljwaterhouse]

Any more info on the sale/investment Daniel ?

Nope, not that I would be made aware of. The balls moving/been moved and I think the next we will know in the public domain will be a statement to the markets announcing the investment/sale and the controlling stake details.

How long that takes is a guessing game now...

Did hear we’ve made contact about Phil Jones for a nominal fee...

[Somethingfishy]

Tony knows him better than I, but adding both his comments and what I've seen of his tweets, he's clearly very much someone who tweets for an ego boost.

He is just massively narcissistic.

[Danieljwaterhouse]

Only way Dyche will move up the food chain is a move to Spain, Italy or (more likely) Germany.

I fear the ‘team spirit’ employed here won’t work on the continent, though.

Interesting move, I can’t see him stepping out of the safety of the UK with his family etc

[Somethingfishy]

Nope, not that I would be made aware of. The balls moving/been moved and I think the next we will know in the public domain will be a statement to the markets announcing the investment/sale and the controlling stake details.

How long that takes is a guessing game now...

Did hear we’ve made contact about Phil Jones for a nominal fee...

Jesus wept. I really hope that isn't true.

[Danieljwaterhouse]

I don’t think it’s the worst news we’ve had this summer, and not the worst player to be linked to. He’s exposed at United, but in the low block, he would be a wall.

[Somethingfishy]

I don’t think it’s the worst news we’ve had this summer, and not the worst player to be linked to. He’s exposed at United, but in the low block, he would be a wall.

I really hope this investment that is ongoing will allow us to buy some younger talent.

[Danieljwaterhouse]

We don’t know the investment model yet. I’d think it’d be success in the pitch and THEN build on the already outstanding infrastructure.

I’d take Lingard, Jones and whoever else United are throwing out of their first team squad.

No need to move house, schools, etc, we’re an attractive proposal for players out the back door in the top six!

[Somethingfishy]

We don’t know the investment model yet. I’d think it’d be success in the pitch and THEN build on the already outstanding infrastructure.

I’d take Lingard, Jones and whoever else United are throwing out of their first team squad.

No need to move house, schools, etc, we’re an attractive proposal for players out the back door in the top six!

Surely that depends on the amount of money they would be willing to chuck at it? Is it steady growth just allowing us to buy the regular players that we struggle with at the moment or are we talking big money to radically change the stature of the club?

[Danieljwaterhouse]

Surely that depends on the amount of money they would be willing to chuck at it? Is it steady growth just allowing us to buy the regular players that we struggle with at the moment or are we talking big money to radically change the stature of the club?

In context: Big Money

[nil_desperandum]

We don’t know the investment model yet. I’d think it’d be success in the pitch and THEN build on the already outstanding infrastructure.

I’d take Lingard, Jones and whoever else United are throwing out of their first team squad.

No need to move house, schools, etc, we’re an attractive proposal for players out the back door in the top six!

I'm not a huge fan of Jones, but I think he would be a good squad player assuming Tarkowski is staying. Jones and Long as cover for Tarks and Mee would make sense. It didn't work bringing a quality younger player in to sit on the bench (Gibson) and we don't really want to be spending another 15 or 20 million on a quality CB who will be sitting on the bench, (unless Mee or Tarks get injured or suspended). A good young CB will expect game time as Gibson - rightly - did, so I wouldn't be opposed to JOnes on a short term deal, and as I recall he has some PL experience as a right back and defensive midfielder too, so he ticks quite a few boxes as a bench player.

[claret59]

'Jesus wept. I really hope that isn't true.'

Jesus wept at the death of a friend. Nothing to do with sport.

[Somethingfishy]

I'm not a huge fan of Jones, but I think he would be a good squad player assuming Tarkowski is staying. Jones and Long as cover for Tarks and Mee would make sense. It didn't work bringing a quality younger player in to sit on the bench (Gibson) and we don't really want to be spending another 15 or 20 million on a quality CB who will be sitting on the bench, (unless Mee or Tarks get injured or suspended). A good young CB will expect game time as Gibson - rightly - did, so I wouldn't be opposed to JOnes on a short term deal, and as I recall he has some PL experience as a right back and defensive midfielder too, so he ticks quite a few boxes as a bench player.

Good arguments. I see the merits of signing him a little more but he is quite slow and error prone. Like you say though if it is a short term deal he is experienced back up in a few positions.

[Somethingfishy]

'Jesus wept. I really hope that isn't true.'

Jesus wept at the death of a friend. Nothing to do with sport.

Sorry vicar.

[k90bfc]

Jones turns like the QE2,No thanks,not good enough for us!

[NewClaret]

Think it would be Dyche’s best work to salvage Jones’ career. Not sure if it can be done.

Wouldn’t mind Andreas Pereira, was impressed with his work rate against us. Dalot might be worth a look too.

[Bosscat]

Nope, not that I would be made aware of. The balls moving/been moved and I think the next we will know in the public domain will be a statement to the markets announcing the investment/sale and the controlling stake details.

How long that takes is a guessing game now...

Did hear we’ve made contact about Phil Jones for a nominal fee...

You mean this handsome chappie

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[Woodleyclaret]

Jones is complete shite and as for the Lee Hoos love in this is the guy behind the £3.5m fiasco with Kieran Trippiers contract.

[Sozturf7]

Sometimes I see good sense on here ; note sometimes. However.........

[Darthlaw]

Several clubs in the Prem he'd go to.

Several? I count 3 One of which who will probably give him a go.

None of Man City, Man U, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool or Tottenham will go near. You can probably throw Everton Wolves And Leeds into that too, with their ownership.

I think we can rule out Brighton, Fulham and West Brom as making a step forwards. Sheffield United too, as they seem to be similar to us. Palace and West Ham are negligible as a forward move and would he risk total control he has here for the potential for a P45 within a year? Flip a coin for Southampton.

Leicester maybe, Newcastle possibly but the fans of both won’t be keen on his football. Villa as a possible sleeping giant but potential for a step backwards.

[andyh]

On Dyche I think he should look at the career of Big Sam. Moved to nominally bigger clubs but soon moved on. Will be best for all concerned if he looks to build his legacy with us.

As for Phil Jones I think he could be an excellent shout. There is a player there... he needs to shift some timber and get away from the glare of Man Utd. Fergie once famously said he could be Utds best ever player. Which has been rightly ridiculed but shows there is something about him.

[BurnleyFC]

Only way Dyche will move up the food chain is a move to Spain, Italy or (more likely) Germany.

I fear the ‘team spirit’ employed here won’t work on the continent, though.

I’m convinced he’ll be England manager one day. He certainly deserves it more than the goofy, waistcoat wearing idiot currently in charge.

[mdd2]

Nominal fee for Jones? Not OOC until 2023 so if it is a nominal fee United must want him out. Doubt he would want to move for less money to sit on the bench when he could do that at OT.

[ksrclaret]

You get the feeling Dyche will wake up on the morning of his 65th birthday and think "right, this must be the year I get offered another job". He's great for us but I find it hard to see how another club takes him from us. He'll probably have to leave first and then he'll become a little more attractive as an out of work manager for Prem clubs. At the moment it's all very "you first".

As for Nixon, I'm surprised he's still alive to be honest. Mind you, he's been self isolating since well before it was fashionable.

[SalisburyClaret]

Jones is to defending what Nixon is to accurate journalism

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Lingard is on £100k a week and Jones on a little less.

I'm surprised anyone thinks we'd take them on those wages, unless they willingly took a pay cut and we already know there are other clubs who could easily match those wages.

Jones would probably do well in our set up tbh.

[TVC15]

Jones is complete shite and as for the Lee Hoos love in this is the guy behind the £3.5m fiasco with Kieran Trippiers contract.

What “fiasco” is this then ?
You do realise that Trippier was ready to leave for nothing but agreed to stay for another year.
And in addition to getting the significant benefit of another season from what many fans regard as one of the best players to ever put on a Burnley shirt he was also kind enough to put in a buy out clause of £3.5m which meant we sold him for 7 times what we paid for him.

If that’s a Lee Hoos “fiasco” we should be moving heaven and earth to get him back at Burnley !

[CBT]

Nixon

The budget is clearly limited. Common theme is low offers at home and abroad. First team group is strong. Not much underneath. It is what it is. He would have gone if a big move came on. Once again that hasn’t happened. May have hit own glass ceiling. Mind you he gets paid well

The big six or seven always want a glamour name. It’s a shame. But Dyche on fantastic money so it’s a gold plated fur lined coffin for him

I do wonder where he gets all this

Nixon also says allardyce hit the same wall 10 years ago and he's right
No probs for me though

[Red Fox Rocks Socks]

I’d be more than happy for Jones to come here. He’s been a joke figure at Utd for a good while but I think as said above in our solid non expansive back 4 setup he has a chance of looking like a player again.

Is he local? I know he came through at the horse lovers down the road

[boatshed bill]

Lingard is on £100k a week and Jones on a little less.

I'm surprised anyone thinks we'd take them on those wages, unless they willingly took a pay cut and we already know there are other clubs who could easily match those wages.

Jones would probably do well in our set up tbh.

I can't think of any situation, or tactic,in which we would employ Lingard