Tark - transfer

[claretandy]

If I had to place a bet my money would be on Nathaniel Chalobah of Watford. I'm not saying that I think he would be a good signing ( that knee injury was a nasty one and he has looked a lesser player since it happened ), but he ticks the logical deductive boxes for guessing an ex player that might be heading back.

1) Joined us on loan back in the 2014/2015 season and played 4 matches for us.
2) We will have looked closely at all the relegated squads, including Watford.
3) Watford have seven midfielders and most of them are better than him.
4) He mainly plays as a defensive midfielder, with spells in central midfield.
5) Probably available, because he has spent most of his career out on loan.
6) He is currently in quarantine with Covid, so a transfer would be up in the air.
7) If spotrac is in the right ball park, his wages of 35K are within our means.
8) He probably wouldn't cost us a lot of money, at least he shouldn't do.
9) Domestic and he ticks the worse than we could have got or could get box.

I'm guessing that our eyes will be drawn to him, because he has EPL experience and he was being briefly touted as a future England International before his injury. He actually received one call up for the Senior National Squad and he played numerous times for every level of the junior squads. We seem to like quoting previous National Squad affiliations in our recent transfer press releases. On the upside he is a good age.

Bringing in his brother on loan would have been a better move, but he went to FC Lorient earlier in the window.

It's Defour.

[Row Z]

This “size of the club“ makes sense though doesn’t it?

If you have a CH who’s playing in a team fighting for the title, then it’s only right he plays over a lower team. If you want to win games and trophies at international level, you need players who’ve been involved in finals, title races and won trophies.

Mings / Dier / Rice / Ward Prowse / Keane / Philips / Winks / Ings?

I know you said CH but it demonstrates across the squad it isn't the case.

[Dyched]

Mings / Dier / Rice / Ward Prowse / Keane / Philips / Winks / Ings?

I know you said CH but it demonstrates across the squad it isn't the case.

Exactly. Which means Tarks isn’t good enough.

People still can’t grasp not all CH are the same. We can all agree Pogba, Viera and Pirlo aren’t the same CM. Vokes, Raul and Adriano aren’t the same forwards. Yet still most can’t understand CH have different games, roles etc.

[Row Z]

Exactly. Which means Tarks isn’t good enough.

People still can’t grasp not all CH are the same. We can all agree Pogba, Viera and Pirlo aren’t the same CM. Vokes, Raul and Adriano aren’t the same forwards. Yet still most can’t understand CH have different games, roles etc.

If we were talking about Ben Mee then I would fully agree, but I would argue Tarky is more than capable with the ball at his feet.

[JohnMac]

Mings and Rice are in the England team/squad. Both at struggling sides with poor defensive records.

There is no logic to Tarky being ommited, none whatsoever.

[Vegas Claret]

Mings and Rice are in the England team/squad. Both at struggling sides with poor defensive records.

There is no logic to Tarky being ommited, none whatsoever.

they are both in teams that pass the ball more than we do - that's your difference, Southgate can't see passed the end of his ******* nose.

[ClaretMov]

Feb 2016. 1 PL season under our belt, fighting for promotion. Signing a player as back up. Do you really think we could go and spend £10/15m for him up front? If we did, his attitude in the time from then to when Keane left could have be different. Record signing sat on the bench week in week out could have frustrated him like we’ve seen with Gibson. Clubs don’t make record signings to then not play them. The club did and got a fantastic deal.

In your opinion

[claretonthecoast1882]

In your opinion

Would you have preferred we paid 3m for Gibson with a sell on fee included rather than the deal we did for him

[ClaretMov]

Would you have preferred we paid 3m for Gibson with a sell on fee included rather than the deal we did for him

I love how after almost every post on this message board a little numpty appears from under a rock and shoots down another's opinion and starts moaning about what they write........its what most on here live for

[claretonthecoast1882]

[JohnMac]

they are both in teams that pass the ball more than we do - that's your difference, Southgate can't see passed the end of his ******* nose.

Exactly, they pass the ball to concede often and lose frequently.

[Zlatan]

they are both in teams that pass the ball more than we do - that's your difference, Southgate can't see passed the end of his ******* nose.

To be fair, it is a substantial nose

[Row Z]

they are both in teams that pass the ball more than we do - that's your difference, Southgate can't see passed the end of his ******* nose.

Debatable - West Ham have gone very direct with Antonio up top.

[gandhisflipflop]

All these posts saying tarks is better than some players in at the big clubs. Let's flip this on its head. Would any of those players improve our defence?

Gomez - absolutely, potential to get better still too
Rudiger - no doubt about it.
Maguire - would look significantly better in our side.
Lindelof - again yes.

The point I'm trying to make is that our set up is one of the best in the league defensively, so players are more protected and therefore excell. Those players above have far less protection, so make more mistakes. Even John stones would do well in our defence. They arnt all bad players. The question is, could tarks step up in a defence offering less protection? Would he do a Michael Keane? He deserves the chance to find out that's for sure.

[Vegas Claret]

Debatable - West Ham have gone very direct with Antonio up top.

stop it with the facts, that's not the "west ham way" so can't be true - Southgate goes off his misconceptions and mainly picks players because of who they play for and reputation - does anyone really think Kalvin Philips would be anywhere near the England squad if he was playing for us ? I don't

Southgate out

[Vegas Claret]

Exactly, they pass the ball to concede often and lose frequently.

doesn't matter as long as Southgate sees a pass he thinks he can be the next Guardiola

[Zlatan]

The more I see of coverage regarding Tarks and a potential transfer the more it feels like a conspiracy to get rid of little ol’Burnley from the Premier League. What better way to do it than not select him for England and then whip up transfer speculation, especially with West Ham, who are FA darlings yet in turmoil. West Ham will go for it because weakening us by signing Tarkowski benefits them as a weakened Burnley means they’re likely to finish above us.

I recall a similar approach from those down the road, they weakened Swindon by signing Shearer (Duncan) which resulted in Swindon not making the playoffs and they did instead.

[ksrclaret]

I love how after almost every post on this message board a little numpty appears from under a rock and shoots down another's opinion and starts moaning about what they write........its what most on here live for

it's certainly a theme with one little numpty in particular. Spot on with the last bit too.

[Pstotto]

Weaken Swindon... Good name for a band.

[Bigvince]

I love how after almost every post on this message board a little numpty appears from under a rock and shoots down another's opinion and starts moaning about what they write........its what most on here live for

I think your opinion is wrong, and I’m not happy with what you’ve written about!

Only joking

[MACCA]

I think your opinion is wrong, and I’m not happy with what you’ve written about!

Only joking

You missed out some really funny insult at the end like bedwetter or dribbler

[TheFamilyCat]

The more I see of coverage regarding Tarks and a potential transfer the more it feels like a conspiracy to get rid of little ol’Burnley from the Premier League. What better way to do it than not select him for England and then whip up transfer speculation, especially with West Ham, who are FA darlings yet in turmoil. West Ham will go for it because weakening us by signing Tarkowski benefits them as a weakened Burnley means they’re likely to finish above us.

I recall a similar approach from those down the road, they weakened Swindon by signing Shearer (Duncan) which resulted in Swindon not making the playoffs and they did instead.

Wow.

[KateR]

Burnley have not set a fixed asking price for Tarkowski, contrary to reports - but Tarkowski does a have a £50m release clause in his contract, relevant to only three clubs; Manchester City, Manchester United and Liverpool.

[BennyD]

If he goes it will be to either of the Manchester clubs.

[Zlatan]

Wow.

Can I quote you on that in 10 months time?

[CnBtruntru]

How much did we get for Tarks?

A bit of sarcasm goes a long way, everybody who reads this thread would think we had already sold him.

[Dyched]

In your opinion

My opinion is right. You should know that by now.

[Dyched]

The more I see of coverage regarding Tarks and a potential transfer the more it feels like a conspiracy to get rid of little ol’Burnley from the Premier League. What better way to do it than not select him for England and then whip up transfer speculation, especially with West Ham, who are FA darlings yet in turmoil. West Ham will go for it because weakening us by signing Tarkowski benefits them as a weakened Burnley means they’re likely to finish above us.

I recall a similar approach from those down the road, they weakened Swindon by signing Shearer (Duncan) which resulted in Swindon not making the playoffs and they did instead.

Very, very slowly step away from the keyboard. Lay your head down for a little while, you need to ride this one out.

[FactualFrank]

Burnley have not set a fixed asking price for Tarkowski, contrary to reports - but Tarkowski does a have a £50m release clause in his contract, relevant to only three clubs; Manchester City, Manchester United and Liverpool.

Never heard of this one - thought the release fee applied regardless of who made the bid?

[TheFamilyCat]

Can I quote you on that in 10 months time?

Yes, you can quote me on saying "wow" if you like. Not sure what it will achieve though.

[KateR]

Never heard of this one - thought the release fee applied regardless of who made the bid?

copy and paste from Sky Sports transfers, regarding Leicester, new to me also

[clarethomer]

Never heard of this one - thought the release fee applied regardless of who made the bid?

I recall reading on here, it was made specifically to the NW because of his desire to be near home as his reason due to health reasons of his mum.

I guess you can place in a contract what you want, as long as it meets the rules of contractual law.

[NewClaret]

I reckon Dyche has convinced Tarks to flirt with being open to a move, attract the bids so we go out & spend the fee money, then change his mind. It’s the master plan, I tell ya...

[Row Z]

Apparently we are strapped for cash so have dropped the asking price to £35m.

Cant see that to be honest, although what does worry me is historically we have had to sell at least one player to fund multiple other arrivals.

[Firthy]

Apparently we are strapped for cash so have dropped the asking price to £35m.

Cant see that to be honest, although what does worry me is historically we have had to sell at least one player to fund multiple other arrivals.

You couldn't make it up Oh wait a minute, that's exactly what they are doing

[Chester Perry]

Apparently we are strapped for cash so have dropped the asking price to £35m.

Cant see that to be honest, although what does worry me is historically we have had to sell at least one player to fund multiple other arrivals.

This thread has gone full circle - previously posted this on the thread

It goes back to the repeated misunderstanding of what Garlick said in April, which is still widely shared by Burnley fans never mind anyone else. People think we are broke, we are most definitely not broke.

Garlick's nightmare scenario was based on no more football through to now and no sign of when football would start again from now, it was forged on the understanding of what our contractual/obligated outgoings were in that timeframe and where our financial situation would be if no monies were coming in because on no football being played and no sign of it being played in the near future - that has very clearly not happened. It also quite clearly indicated that we had £50m in cash at the point of lockdown.

If the reports are to be believed that the Premier League are to pay in full last season's distribution then we have just come off the back of a season were we likely recorded record revenues, due to increased TV monies - if that is the case then the season itself will likely have generated a profit and a cash uplift - the news of the PPTV deal may change that.

Many will read this and think we have money to spend, we will have some, but our board will be looking down the track at reduced TV monies over multiple seasons whether in the Premier League or on Parachute payments (a result of rebates etc), likely challenges on the commercial front with probable reductions in a number of areas, and minimal income from matchday - our traditional compact ground is not well equipped for social distancing.

The board will oversee the necessary adjustments to ensure our club withstands the financial hazards of the coming seasons and seek to keep us free from debt and in robust health. Unfortunately the reward for being the only club in the country not needing to ask the owners or lenders for money during this crisis is continued prudence and of course the existence of our treasured club

[jurek]

Can't see why we have apparently dropped the price for Tarks to 35m
unless of course the two or three Dyche wishes to come in are likely to cost us
more than Garlick wishes or has indicated we're willing to spend.

If anything that is likely to push the price up for those we are seeking.

Personally I'd be happy to keep Tarks and only bring in one or two.

[NewClaret]

Can't see why we have apparently dropped the price for Tarks to 35m
unless of course the two or three Dyche wishes to come in are likely to cost us
more than Garlick wishes or has indicated we're willing to spend.

If anything that is likely to push the price up for those we are seeking.

Personally I'd be happy to keep Tarks and only bring in one or two.

I’d much rather keep Tarks and only sign a couple.

Losing Tarks would take the shine off any incomings because we’ve already significant weakened. Keeping him & signing a creative midfielder and RW would not be a bad window at all.

[dpinsussex]

Perspective:

Watkins £30m+
Tarks £30m

I know who at that price I would spend my £30m on (If I had it).

Tarks is worth way more than Watkins

Actually let's sell him to Vila we are bound to get £100m for.him

[jurek]

Dyche has said we don't need to sell
or wants to sell any of his best players and that we're financially sound.

He also said (apparently) that every player has his price
and that it's the Chairman who decides. And that they don't always agree.
In addition also read somewhere that Tarks (apparently) wants to go.

Building up nicely, this is.

[Royboyclaret]

Dyche has said we don't need to sell
or wants to sell any of his best players and that we're financially sound.

He also said (apparently) that every player has his price
and that it's the Chairman who decides. And that they don't always agree.
In addition also read somewhere that Tarks (apparently) wants to go.

Building up nicely, this is.

We have so much for which to be grateful to Sean Dyche, the miracles he has performed with the team on the pitch over eight years is the stuff of legends. However, he is in no position to state that the club is currently financially sound.

[CrosspoolClarets]

Premier League clubs will lose £700m this year if fans do not return (today’s announcement).

The chairman of BFC doesn’t strike me as the type to splash out on a couple of players with this threat lurking. He may though look to sell, and buy a couple of cheaper ones.

[boatshed bill]

Premier League clubs will lose £700m this year if fans do not return (today’s announcement).

Would you know what would be our share of the loss? given that we are at the bottom end of he pay scale.

[Royboyclaret]

Premier League clubs will lose £700m this year if fans do not return (today’s announcement).

The chairman of BFC doesn’t strike me as the type to splash out on a couple of players with this threat lurking. He may though look to sell, and buy a couple of cheaper ones.

The £700m is based on a statement by Richard Masters and is effectively the total loss of PL match-day receipts for next season if all games continue to be played behind closed doors. From a Burnley perspective our loss is minimal, being just over £6m for the full season, in fact the big six comprise some £525m of the total £700m.

Our potential financial difficulties lie elsewhere.

[Royboyclaret]

The £700m is based on a statement by Richard Masters and is effectively the total loss of PL match-day receipts for next season if all games continue to be played behind closed doors. From a Burnley perspective our loss is minimal, being just over £6m for the full season, in fact the big six comprise some £625m of the total £700m.

Our potential financial difficulties lie elsewhere.

[what_no_pies]

Premier League clubs will lose £700m this year if fans do not return (today’s announcement).

The chairman of BFC doesn’t strike me as the type to splash out on a couple of players with this threat lurking. He may though look to sell, and buy a couple of cheaper ones.

Our lower capacity and cheaper tickets means match day revenue is much smaller than most clubs. Quick fag packet calculation I'd suggest we generate in the region of £8-10m in ticket sales over the league campaign. Other match day revenue could be another few million on top - another £5-6m with corporate, programmes and food/drinks is probably optimistic. The average of that £700m is £35m so based on my rough calculations I reckon a lot of other clubs will feel the impact a lot more than BFC. We're still right to be being cautious given the uncertain future we face, but it's not all doom and gloom for us.

Also, why is nobody saying we've done well to remain financially buoyant through our recent success - this situation we find ourselves in should reinforce how prudent that approach has been. Despite this being confirmed for us there's an orderly queue of supporters wanting to bash the board for not throwing money around now - seems bonkers to me.

[KefkaClaret]

I think we will sell Tarks if 40m is reached. Can’t see us saying no to that.

[Zlatan]

in fact the big six comprise some £525m of the total £700m.

F#ck ‘em, tough sh!t

[Royboyclaret]

Our lower capacity and cheaper tickets means match day revenue is much smaller than most clubs. Quick fag packet calculation I'd suggest we generate in the region of £8-10m in ticket sales over the league campaign. Other match day revenue could be another few million on top - another £5-6m with corporate, programmes and food/drinks is probably optimistic. The average of that £700m is £35m so based on my rough calculations I reckon a lot of other clubs will feel the impact a lot more than BFC. We're still right to be being cautious given the uncertain future we face, but it's not all doom and gloom for us.

Also, why is nobody saying we've done well to remain financially buoyant through our recent success - this situation we find ourselves in should reinforce how prudent that approach has been. Despite this being confirmed for us there's an orderly queue of supporters wanting to bash the board for not throwing money around now - seems bonkers to me.

No need for "fag packet" calculations, it's all there on the MMT thread. Our Total Income in the last accounts was £137.8m comprising:-
Match-day receipts....£6.3m
Broadcasting....£115m
Catering....£2.6m
Retail....£1.8m
Commercial....£12.1m.

[Iloveyoubrady]

No need for "fag packet" calculations, it's all there on the MMT thread. Our Total Income in the last accounts was £137.8m comprising:-
Match-day receipts....£6.3m
Broadcasting....£115m
Catering....£2.6m
Retail....£1.8m
Commercial....£12.1m.

Am I right in thinking broadcasting won’t be affected by the lack of fans unless the season ends up being delayed again? So we lose 6.3 and 2.6 and some of the 1.8. Not a big deal in comparison to even 1 player.