Tark - transfer

[Devils_Advocate]

No need for "fag packet" calculations, it's all there on the MMT thread. Our Total Income in the last accounts was £137.8m comprising:-
Match-day receipts....£6.3m
Broadcasting....£115m
Catering....£2.6m
Retail....£1.8m
Commercial....£12.1m.

Is there any breakdown of what proportion of the £2.6m catering income came from Twix sales?

[Row Z]

However, he is in no position to state that the club is currently financially sound.

I would expect he would be. Notwithstanding his comments about not having a budget, I would expect that he is in regular discussions with the board regarding club finances.

[Royboyclaret]

Am I right in thinking broadcasting won’t be affected by the lack of fans unless the season ends up being delayed again? So we lose 6.3 and 2.6 and some of the 1.8. Not a big deal in comparison to even 1 player.

There's a debate currently taking place on the MMT thread regarding potential broadcast rebates for next season, which, if they materialise, will impact severely on our Income for next season. The rebate last season was £17m.

[FCBurnley]

Premier League clubs will lose £700m this year if fans do not return (today’s announcement).

The chairman of BFC doesn’t strike me as the type to splash out on a couple of players with this threat lurking. He may though look to sell, and buy a couple of cheaper ones.

And what would we lose if we were relegated through his actions ? Not saying we will be. Just looking at the odds of selling or keeping our best players

[Royboyclaret]

I would expect he would be. Notwithstanding his comments about not having a budget, I would expect that he is in regular discussions with the board regarding club finances.

In all his eight years here, he has never had a transfer budget. There's a good reason for that, he identifies the targets and the remaining negotiations are out of his control.

[Row Z]

In all his eight years here, he has never had a transfer budget. There's a good reason for that, he identifies the targets and the remaining negotiations are out of his control.

Doesn't mean he doesn't know the financial stability of the club to the point where he can claim we are financially sound...

He'll have access to more detail than any supporter and yet many on here would claim to know the ins and outs of the clubs finances.

[Royboyclaret]

Doesn't mean he doesn't know the financial stability of the club to the point where he can claim we are financially sound...

He'll have access to more detail than any supporter and yet many on here would claim to know the ins and outs of the clubs finances.

His obvious frustrations, on occasions, might suggest otherwise.

[Row Z]

His obvious frustrations, on occasions, might suggest otherwise.

Potentially, or that he knows the financial strength we have but is frustrated at the board's hesitancy to push the boat out too far for fear of over commitment.

Many clubs operate through debt which no doubt allows them to spend considerably more than we ever could.

He obviously has his hands tied with us. Recent links with Villa highlight that lower placed clubs can spend upwards of £50m over consecutive seasons and as a manager why would you not want more money to be able to do your job better.

[summitclaret]

Potentially, or that he knows the financial strength we have but is frustrated at the board's hesitancy to push the boat out too far for fear of over commitment.

Many clubs operate through debt which no doubt allows them to spend considerably more than we ever could.

He obviously has his hands tied with us. Recent links with Villa highlight that lower placed clubs can spend upwards of £50m over consecutive seasons and as a manager why would you not want more money to be able to do your job better.

There is only 1 boat that needs pushing out atm and that is to keep Tarks here for the next year as a minimum.

[Row Z]

There is only 1 boat that needs pushing out atm and that is to keep Tarks here for the next year as a minimum.

Agreed - I posted earlier in the thread that he is very much a key player for us and the fact he has two years left means he can potentially help provide the club three further years of Premier league football, worth hundreds of millions.

Its for that reason, combined with the facts Ben Mee isn't fit, Gibson has left and Kevin Long is only ever a squad player, that we need to keep him or our boat will be sinking.

[dermotdermot]

If he stays, which I obviously hope he will, he will earn just so much respect for not leaving us in the lurch. At this particular moment we would be relegated without him from day one.

[Rumpelstiltskin]

If he stays, which I obviously hope he will, he will earn just so much respect for not leaving us in the lurch. At this particular moment we would be relegated without him from day one.

Too true...Absolute colossus for us...Heading for the rocks without Tarks.

[claretandy]

We should offer Tarks a years extension and make him the highest paid player in our history.

[MACCA]

We should offer Tarks a years extension and make him the highest paid player in our history.

No we should not, because then Pope, McNeil and so on might do/want the same.

No player is bigger than the club, if he wants out let him go, just make sure we get the best fee possible for him.an give Mr Dyche the whole of the cash received to get his targets in.

[CrosspoolClarets]

The £700m is based on a statement by Richard Masters and is effectively the total loss of PL match-day receipts for next season if all games continue to be played behind closed doors. From a Burnley perspective our loss is minimal, being just over £6m for the full season, in fact the big six comprise some £525m of the total £700m.

Our potential financial difficulties lie elsewhere.

That is great news (in a sense).

I saw this morning the £700m is last seasons losses which he is projecting forward.

Other factors will be the deal they have just ripped up with China - whether the money from overseas is secure. That may have potential to spread around clubs more equitably. It’s certainly not a time for financial abandon, even if BFC are (for once) lucky to have relatively little matchday revenue.

[CrosspoolClarets]

And what would we lose if we were relegated through his actions ? Not saying we will be. Just looking at the odds of selling or keeping our best players

I was only commenting on the perceived personality type of the chairman, I’m not saying a course of action is right or wrong. In unprecedented times, leaders make a call and we all only find out later if they were right.

[CrosspoolClarets]

Our lower capacity and cheaper tickets means match day revenue is much smaller than most clubs. Quick fag packet calculation I'd suggest we generate in the region of £8-10m in ticket sales over the league campaign. Other match day revenue could be another few million on top - another £5-6m with corporate, programmes and food/drinks is probably optimistic. The average of that £700m is £35m so based on my rough calculations I reckon a lot of other clubs will feel the impact a lot more than BFC. We're still right to be being cautious given the uncertain future we face, but it's not all doom and gloom for us.

Also, why is nobody saying we've done well to remain financially buoyant through our recent success - this situation we find ourselves in should reinforce how prudent that approach has been. Despite this being confirmed for us there's an orderly queue of supporters wanting to bash the board for not throwing money around now - seems bonkers to me.

OK - I’ll say what you say nobody is saying.

We have done well to remain financially buoyant through our recent success. I think plenty do say that, but I accept some don’t.

As a business owner, I feel that constant pain of deciding whether to invest and take a risk. I’d put business owners on a spectrum, arguably you could have Flood at one end and Garlick at the other. Neither end is necessarily better than the other, but there are a lot of moving parts. The pressure on Flood was to stay solvent. The pressure on Garlick is to buy enough quality to retain the manager, our better players, and to stay in this league for many years.

I see this pandemic as testing that pressure to the hilt given where he sits on that spectrum I refer to.

[Reecey1987]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/20 ... tarkowski/

[AndyClaret]

No we should not, because then Pope, McNeil and so on might do/want the same.

No player is bigger than the club, if he wants out let him go, just make sure we get the best fee possible for him.an give Mr Dyche the whole of the cash received to get his targets in.

Do you not think that it is strange that your best player isn't your highest paid employee ?

[MACCA]

Do you not think that it is strange that your best player isn't your highest paid employee ?

Nope, he signed a new deal a couple years back, I'm sure then it was one that made him one of the highest earners.

You can't keep giving "the best" couple of players a bigger and better deal tear on year, as when new ones join they might want similar, also other squad members will want to increase theirs accordingly.

IMO Mr Dyche is rightly the highest paid member of staff at the club.

[AndyClaret]

If players want an increase, then they sign an extended contract, he should be on the same as dyche.

[Bigvince]

If players want an increase, then they sign an extended contract, he should be on the same as dyche.

IMHO Sean Dyche should always be the highest earner. After all he’s the reason we overachieve every year!
If we were to loose one off them, I know which one I’d prefer it to be

[FactualFrank]

IMHO Sean Dyche should always be the highest earner. After all he’s the reason we overachieve every year!
If we were to loose one off them, I know which one I’d prefer it to be

I agree. The manager of a club should always be on more than the players. But it's not to do with overachieving, it's just the way it should be. He's top dog, should earn the most respect, and be the biggest earner.

[AndyClaret]

I agree. The manager of a club should always be on more than the players. But it's not to do with overachieving, it's just the way it should be. He's top dog, should earn the most respect, and be the biggest earner.

We should also be looking to renegotiate a new contract with SD as well.

[LoveCurryPies]

BREAKING NEWS:
West Ham United have officially submitted a new offer of £30m to Burnley for defender James Tarkowski.

SOME RUMOURS:
It has been accepted.

Personally, I doubt it has been accepted. Think £35 would be.

[FactualFrank]

If it's been accepted then it must be based on whether we find a replacement first.

Otherwise, we could very well have taken £30 million now, but forfeited many 100s of millions with increasing our risk of going down to the Championship.

[ewanrob]

It's not about just money though, he wants to play at a higher level within this league and be a regular for England national team, and he wont be the only one. I really worry where all this is going...do our hierarchy still have the appetite for the challenge ahead.

I'm not having a go at them at all , but they have arrived at a very significant stage in our status in this league and it must be a real headache for them.

[FactualFrank]

Chris Boden saying if this is true, he doesn't expect we will be tempted to sell.

We have to play hardball with this one, as we could get that figure for him next summer.

[Conroysleftfoot]

I can't believe that 30million would be accepted. If the sell on percentage of 27.5 is correct we would be left with less than 23million. Surely we can't be that desperate for the money.

[Mala591]

When Tarks (eventually) moves on it will be to a top 6 club (because he IS good enough).

[ClaretTony]

Reports that the latest offer has been rejected

[FactualFrank]

Reports that the latest offer has been rejected

And rightly so. If they want him, it's £50 million or go away.

[claretonthecoast1882]

You would think West Ham would give up now.

Bids rejected and the player isn't keen on West Ham either should be enough to tell you to move on.

[Zlatan]

yeah but West Ham won the World Cup you know...

[MACCA]

We need a replacement in before he leaves, or we have the potential to get caught short or held to ransom by the club we want his replacement from.
Their price goes up straight away once they know we are desperate and loaded

Personally I think we will all shake hands around the 40m mark, which I've no issues with, IF Mr Dyche gets all the money ( once brentford take their cut ) to land his preferred 2 or 3 targets.

That would even be without touching this years budget, and only using up the wages feeed up by the departed Tarky, Hart, Hendrick and Lennon, which will be a fair whack I'd imagine

[FactualFrank]

You would think West Ham would give up now.

Bids rejected and the player isn't keen on West Ham either should be enough to tell you to move on.

Yeah. They bid £27 million. We tell them we want £50 million. So they bid £30 million.

[FactualFrank]

We need a replacement in before he leaves, or we have the potential to get caught short or held to ransom by the club we want his replacement from.
Their price goes up straight away once they know we are desperate and loaded

Personally I think we will all shake hands around the 40m mark, which I've no issues with, IF Mr Dyche gets all the money ( once brentford take their cut ) to land his preferred 2 or 3 targets.

That would even be without touching this years budget, and only using up the wages feeed up by the departed Tarky, Hart, Hendrick and Lennon, which will be a fair whack I'd imagine

As you say, it has be a player in before player out. So we would need to land the targets prior to us accepting.

[claretlegend]

30m bid now rejected

[AndyClaret]

One thing I don't understand, tarky would be mad to go to West ham, but they have bid 3 times, I wonder if they have been given some encouragement.

[AndyClaret]

Yeah. They bid £27 million. We tell them we want £50 million. So they bid £30 million.

Sound like how we bid

[Burnley1989]

One thing I don't understand, tarky would be mad to go to West ham, but they have bid 3 times, I wonder if they have been given some encouragement.

I would have thought so, you wouldn’t go through all that for a player to say he’d rather not join. Double his wages

[Spijed]

Their price goes up straight away once they know we are desperate and loaded

No it doesn't. Clubs who think a player is worth a certain amount may need the money to buy other players.

If we come along and offer that amount they are not going to risk losing a sale because they know we have more money to spend, especially if that's the only offer.

[ClaretTony]

One thing I don't understand, tarky would be mad to go to West ham, but they have bid 3 times, I wonder if they have been given some encouragement.

I'm damn sure they've been given some encouragement - clubs don't keep coming back like this without it

[warksclaret]

I think the club hopefully feels he can continue to play well for us despite his disappointment at not getting the right move. Then we could still get a big fee in the Summer or even this January (assuming we have had a good first half of the season)

[FactualFrank]

I'm damn sure they've been given some encouragement - clubs don't keep coming back like this without it

We also know WH are clearly very interested, so we should stand strong.

Didn't they start at £23 million, and we've rejected £30 million. Give it time and they'll get to £40 million + £10 million in add-ons.

[MACCA]

I'm damn sure they've been given some encouragement - clubs don't keep coming back like this without it

I fully agree

[claret2018]

Assuming he goes, I would think that Long would replace Tarks and we'd be after a back-up centre half, as well as a replacement for Lennon.

[tiger76]

We need a replacement in before he leaves, or we have the potential to get caught short or held to ransom by the club we want his replacement from.
Their price goes up straight away once they know we are desperate and loaded

Personally I think we will all shake hands around the 40m mark, which I've no issues with, IF Mr Dyche gets all the money ( once brentford take their cut ) to land his preferred 2 or 3 targets.

That would even be without touching this years budget, and only using up the wages feeed up by the departed Tarky, Hart, Hendrick and Lennon, which will be a fair whack I'd imagine

If Tarks genuinely wants away, and there's some doubt he definitely does, then if we can get 40m, and it's reinvested into the squad, that's the best we can hope for in the circumstances.

I don't see the attraction West Ham would hold for Tarks though, even in a good season there unlikely to threaten the European places, and the best they can probably expect to achieve is mid-table, which is precisely where we finished last season, obviously his wages would increase massively, but I'd have thought he'd be looking for a bigger move than the Hammers, if his career is ever going to progress beyond a solid PL centre-half.

You'd imagine our wage bill has been dramatically trimmed with those 4 departures, however whether those savings will offset any covid related losses is the .

I know we're not flush with readies, but we must have some available cash for transfers surely, and if we get a decent wedge for JT, we should be able to improve the squad, to at least enable us to compete next season, Tarks will be a big hole to fill, but the one area Sean is competent in is finding decent defenders.

Ideally we want this resolved one way or the other ASAP, what we don't want is JT leaving the building at the 11th hour, and us being up the creek without a paddle, that's the nightmare scenario.

[ClaretTony]

Assuming he goes, I would think that Long would replace Tarks and we'd be after a back-up centre half, as well as a replacement for Lennon.

Are you serious? If he goes we will need two central defenders as well as replacements for Hendrick & Lennon. That’s the absolute minimum.

[claret2018]

Are you serious? If he goes we will need two central defenders as well as replacements for Hendrick & Lennon. That’s the absolute minimum.

I'm trying to keep my expectations in check!