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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by Down_Rover » Thu Sep 10, 2020 4:23 pm

True Skybet has McNeil at 1/4 to go to Leicester

Also 5/4 Tarks to Wet Spam

But they have Pope at 5/2 to go to Chelsea

All just guesswork, I wont be investing in a treble

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by KRBFC » Thu Sep 10, 2020 4:24 pm

jedi_master wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 3:13 pm
If McNeil goes to Leicester it needs to be £40-50m - Wolves just bought a kid from Portugal who has played 12 games scoring 1 goal for £35m.

Imagine the absolute ridiculousness of us selling Tarkowski and McNeil, combined, for less than £70m. In fact, don't. Surely not?
Why do people try look at other deals and compare? A players worth isn’t based upon what a different team pays for a different player.

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by Bigvince » Thu Sep 10, 2020 4:24 pm

Danieljwaterhouse wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 3:32 pm
Man that hurts...

I have also been told, that United have now entered the room!

That’s a good old one to throw in....again players out and one on loan
I’ve heard Elvis has left the building :D

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by ewanrob » Thu Sep 10, 2020 4:28 pm

Danieljwaterhouse wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 4:11 pm
No I am bang on either the investors....

Rose was offered, doesn’t mean we would follow up

Still think Jones is otw

McNeil is going to go
Me...I'm loving all this, love a bit of gossip and 🎣

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by summitclaret » Thu Sep 10, 2020 4:28 pm

What a perfect way to justify us not signing anybody. Start all sorts of rumours about clubs after our crown jewels and then when we have fought off all of the vultures say we had no time to get anyone in.

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Thu Sep 10, 2020 4:32 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 4:24 pm
Why do people try look at other deals and compare? A players worth isn’t based upon what a different team pays for a different player.
So is a young lad with very very little experience is worth more or less than another young lad who has a good deal more?

Oh and its being reported that the deal is very iffy, as in Jorge Mendes has got millions from the selling club despite not being an agent of the player..

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by KRBFC » Thu Sep 10, 2020 4:44 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 4:32 pm
So is a young lad with very very little experience is worth more or less than another young lad who has a good deal more?

Oh and its being reported that the deal is very iffy, as in Jorge Mendes has got millions from the selling club despite not being an agent of the player..
The one with the higher potential will be worth more, I know nothing about this kid Wolves have bought but maybe he’s on track to become a genuine world class talent, as good as McNeil is, I don’t see him ever reaching that level.

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by KRBFC » Thu Sep 10, 2020 4:48 pm

Also the desperation to buy/sell of both teams drives the price up/down. Direct competition can drive the price up.

There’s so many factors, look at Watkins deal, Villa are so desperate they have overpaid.

Another factor is the value that player has to their current team, Sigurdsson is never a £50m+ player but Everton paid that because he was worth that to Swansea (turns out he was worth considerably more than that to Swansea)

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by Chester Perry » Thu Sep 10, 2020 4:49 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 4:44 pm
The one with the higher potential will be worth more, I know nothing about this kid Wolves have bought but maybe he’s on track to become a genuine world class talent, as good as McNeil is, I don’t see him ever reaching that level.
The Silva deal is a strange one - it has been announced on the Portuguese stock exchange that Jorge Mendes/Gestifute are being paid Euro 6.4m for the deal - Mendes is not Silva's agent

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by KRBFC » Thu Sep 10, 2020 4:59 pm

Chester Perry wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 4:49 pm
The Silva deal is a strange one - it has been announced on the Portuguese stock exchange that Jorge Mendes/Gestifute are being paid Euro 6.4m for the deal - Mendes is not Silva's agent
I’m not sure what you’re trying to insinuate?

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by Local cricketer » Thu Sep 10, 2020 5:06 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 4:59 pm
I’m not sure what you’re trying to insinuate?
People like to get offended by the way Wolves do business. Wolves are likely to be challenging the top 6 whilst we are delighted to finish 4th bottom.

I will let you decide who is right and wrong

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by Zlatan » Thu Sep 10, 2020 5:10 pm

Local cricketer wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 5:06 pm
People like to get offended by the way Wolves do business. Wolves are likely to be challenging the top 6 whilst we are delighted to finish 4th bottom.

I will let you decide who is right and wrong
If by business you mean unscrupulous means of carrying out transfers to allegedly... well I wont say it here... then I'd rather do it our way thanks.

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by Chester Perry » Thu Sep 10, 2020 5:11 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 4:59 pm
I’m not sure what you’re trying to insinuate?
What is there to insinuate when it has been announced so publicly - meanwhile the guy behind Football Leaks, that drew so much attention to Mendes and Porto, is fighting for his freedom in a Lisbon court
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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by BenWickes » Thu Sep 10, 2020 5:12 pm

I think Chester Perry is far more au fait with football finances and it's workings than most, if not all on here. I don't think he need clarify any further. Seems for rather a long period of time, not just recently there is something possibly worth investigating regards them. I've been comparing some of their deals with the Tevez saga a number of years back regards third parties etc.

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by boatshed bill » Thu Sep 10, 2020 5:17 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 4:32 pm
So is a young lad with very very little experience is worth more or less than another young lad who has a good deal more?

Oh and its being reported that the deal is very iffy, as in Jorge Mendes has got millions from the selling club despite not being an agent of the player..
Any player, regardless of experience or potential, is worth no more than another club will pay for that player. I f Wolves want to splash their wealth around then their targets are likely to be more expensive. It really is that simple.

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by Granny WeatherWax » Thu Sep 10, 2020 5:28 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 4:16 pm
You really think 1 deal is a fair reflection on the overall market? It’s pretty easy to see how broke teams are
That’s great bants.

Have a looks at what’s being spent and try again.

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Thu Sep 10, 2020 5:45 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 4:44 pm
The one with the higher potential will be worth more, I know nothing about this kid Wolves have bought but maybe he’s on track to become a genuine world class talent, as good as McNeil is, I don’t see him ever reaching that level.
They're buying potential, same as anyone would with McNeil, the same McNeil who's twice made TAA look average.
Difference is McNeil has shown he can cut it in the PL and has shown clear signs of improving.

This lad at Wolves has played about 3hrs of first team football when it's all added up.

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Thu Sep 10, 2020 5:46 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 5:17 pm
Any player, regardless of experience or potential, is worth no more than another club will pay for that player. I f Wolves want to splash their wealth around then their targets are likely to be more expensive. It really is that simple.
The increase in cost of their targets inflates the cost of everyone else's targets, it really is that simple.

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by boatshed bill » Thu Sep 10, 2020 5:49 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 5:46 pm
The increase in cost of their targets inflates the cost of everyone else's targets, it really is that simple.
Absolutely.

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by cblantfanclub » Thu Sep 10, 2020 6:24 pm

Daniel j - It's almost as if you were clairvoyant. " I can hear United they're here in the room knock twice for Dwight, once for Tarks."

Bet the club love you. You're either this MB's answer to Mystic Meg or you've just got someone the sack.

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by Cubanclaret » Thu Sep 10, 2020 6:26 pm

A few outlets suggesting it’s just a matter of price between clubs with Tarks to West Ham.
Is the perceived wisdom that his move north to be closer to family is a no longer an issue.
West Ham appear quite directionless at the minute. Not sure playing well for them would improve his England chances. You’d think we might offer him one more year on improved terms with a clear agreement that we’d sanction a move at the end of the season.

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by clarethomer » Thu Sep 10, 2020 6:28 pm

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54 ... sw8UKcgiDw

Just posted this on the transfer thread. £27m increased to £30m.

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by FactualFrank » Thu Sep 10, 2020 6:30 pm

clarethomer wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 6:28 pm
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54 ... sw8UKcgiDw

Just posted this on the transfer thread. £27m increased to £30m.
Already rejected earlier this morning. With regards to this player, that's now pretty old news.

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by KRBFC » Thu Sep 10, 2020 6:34 pm

Granny WeatherWax wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 5:28 pm
That’s great bants.

Have a looks at what’s being spent and try again.
Go look at what’s being spent, only Chelsea have really spent heavily and they were sat on Hazard and Morata sales after a transfer ban.

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by taio » Thu Sep 10, 2020 6:34 pm

Feels like more a question of when not if. Guess we'll get about £35m.
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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by Firthy » Thu Sep 10, 2020 6:35 pm

Cubanclaret wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 6:26 pm
A few outlets suggesting it’s just a matter of price between clubs with Tarks to West Ham.
Is the perceived wisdom that his move north to be closer to family is a no longer an issue.
West Ham appear quite directionless at the minute. Not sure playing well for them would improve his England chances. You’d think we might offer him one more year on improved terms with a clear agreement that we’d sanction a move at the end of the season.
You mean all the outlets that copy each other and just repeat the same old drivel.
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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by KRBFC » Thu Sep 10, 2020 6:36 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 5:45 pm
They're buying potential, same as anyone would with McNeil, the same McNeil who's twice made TAA look average.
Difference is McNeil has shown he can cut it in the PL and has shown clear signs of improving.

This lad at Wolves has played about 3hrs of first team football when it's all added up.
Doesn’t matter, McNeil is a great player for us but he’ll never become a superstar like Mbappe Ronaldo etc maybe this guy will, Joao Felix went for £100M very early into his career.

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Thu Sep 10, 2020 6:43 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 6:36 pm
Doesn’t matter, McNeil is a great player for us but he’ll never become a superstar like Mbappe Ronaldo etc maybe this guy will, Joao Felix went for £100M very early into his career.
How do you know he won't?
Is it because he's at Burnley?

The other lad has played 3 hours of first team football and you seem more convinced he will and I'm not even sure why.
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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by BenWickes » Thu Sep 10, 2020 6:51 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 6:43 pm
How do you know he won't?
Is it because he's at Burnley?

The other lad has played 3 hours of first team football and you seem more convinced he will and I'm not even sure why.
Indeed. He kind of contradicts himself. I've only vaguely heard of this Felix chap so he can't be up to that much. Whereas McNeil is tearing right back's a new one, regardless of their nationality or cost. I personally think McNeil has potential to go all the way so we should demand top dollar with a hefty sell on clause. This is without Claret tints on. He's the best young English winger I've seen in years for any club. By that I mean a traditional take a man on, hug the touchline and get chalk on boots.

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by KRBFC » Thu Sep 10, 2020 6:59 pm

BenWickes wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 6:51 pm
Indeed. He kind of contradicts himself. I've only vaguely heard of this Felix chap so he can't be up to that much. Whereas McNeil is tearing right back's a new one, regardless of their nationality or cost. I personally think McNeil has potential to go all the way so we should demand top dollar with a hefty sell on clause. This is without Claret tints on. He's the best young English winger I've seen in years for any club. By that I mean a traditional take a man on, hug the touchline and get chalk on boots.
Felix is playing Champions League football at Atletico Madrid.

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by Danieljwaterhouse » Thu Sep 10, 2020 6:59 pm

cblantfanclub wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 6:24 pm
Daniel j - It's almost as if you were clairvoyant. " I can hear United they're here in the room knock twice for Dwight, once for Tarks."

Bet the club love you. You're either this MB's answer to Mystic Meg or you've just got someone the sack.
That came from a united ex pro I’m friends with.

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by KRBFC » Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:00 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 6:43 pm
How do you know he won't?
Is it because he's at Burnley?

The other lad has played 3 hours of first team football and you seem more convinced he will and I'm not even sure why.
I know nothing of this lad they’ve signed, I’m just assuming given the fee he’s highly touted to become genuinely world class.

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by Father Jack » Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:05 pm

Anything moving on the investor Daniel.
Do you still think it’s going to happen / happening?

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:07 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:00 pm
I know nothing of this lad they’ve signed, I’m just assuming given the fee he’s highly touted to become genuinely world class.
So basically Wolves have taken a punt when no one else did, partly because that agent fancied earning €6 million from a deal in which he didn't even represent the player.

He may well go on to become a world class player, but he's ended up at Wolves and not Atletico etc

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by NewClaret » Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:07 pm

If we didn’t sell, we’d have to try and renew his contract. Realistically, what would he want wages wise? £70k, £80k? Can’t see us opening up that kind of discrepancy- would be very unhelpful.

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by BenWickes » Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:15 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 6:59 pm
Felix is playing Champions League football at Atletico Madrid.
OK. So let's play along and say Felix is actually any good in comparison. I've seen countless examples of so called superstars with big money moves here who look like Jean Louis Valois on a bad afternoon. Playing for Atletico Madrid doesn't float my boat. I don't get off on exotic names. It's still down to what the buying/selling club feel they are worth. I get the feeling you'd cream your jeans if he was called McNelio.

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by Danieljwaterhouse » Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:15 pm

Father Jack wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:05 pm
Anything moving on the investor Daniel.
Do you still think it’s going to happen / happening?
Yes still moving forward, still no formal timeframe.

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by boatshed bill » Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:22 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 6:59 pm
Felix is playing Champions League football at Atletico Madrid.
He's lucky then ;)

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by KRBFC » Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:32 pm

BenWickes wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:15 pm
OK. So let's play along and say Felix is actually any good in comparison. I've seen countless examples of so called superstars with big money moves here who look like Jean Louis Valois on a bad afternoon. Playing for Atletico Madrid doesn't float my boat. I don't get off on exotic names. It's still down to what the buying/selling club feel they are worth. I get the feeling you'd cream your jeans if he was called McNelio.
I mean the fact you don’t know who Joao Felix is makes me completely disregard any football opinion you may have.

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by BenWickes » Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:34 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:32 pm
I mean the fact you don’t know who Joao Felix is makes me completely disregard any football opinion you may have.
That's fair enough. Based on the posts you have made over my time on here. I came to the same conclusion about you. Touche!
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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by BenWickes » Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:39 pm

KRBFC wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:32 pm
I mean the fact you don’t know who Joao Felix is makes me completely disregard any football opinion you may have.
For the record btw. I do know who he is but he's hardly this wunderkind superstar you're referring to. No I don't pay attention to other leagues or other nations like you SUPERFAN. What I do know is that he isn't all that clearly! So no I class him in my vaguely category of players who come into the 'Who, what, where, really HOW MUCH HAHAHAHAHA' Category!

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by Steve1956 » Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:41 pm

BenWickes wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:39 pm
For the record btw. I do know who he is but he's hardly this wunderkind superstar you're referring to. No I don't pay attention to other leagues or other nations like you SUPERFAN. What I do know is that he isn't all that clearly! So no I class him in my vaguely category of players who come into the 'Who, what, where, really HOW MUCH HAHAHAHAHA' Category!
Stop biting buddy...hes a knob
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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by Cubanclaret » Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:41 pm

Danieljwaterhouse wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:15 pm
Yes still moving forward, still no formal timeframe.
If this is true you’d have thought the Burnley FC board would move hell and high water to preserve the Star quality of the current squad. Keep stock / potential as high as possible and don’t sell any Crown Jewels.

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by Murger » Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:43 pm

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by BenWickes » Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:44 pm

Steve1956 wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:41 pm
Stop biting buddy...hes a knob
I knew as I typed...why am I bothering :lol:
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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by ClaretTony » Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:45 pm

Raggus wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 2:58 pm
Why is it that any rumours on here that may turn out to have substance get deleted?
They don’t. Just some of the unnecessary crap gets removed.
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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by BenWickes » Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:48 pm

Cubanclaret wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:41 pm
If this is true you’d have thought the Burnley FC board would move hell and high water to preserve the Star quality of the current squad. Keep stock / potential as high as possible and don’t sell any Crown Jewels.
It's a valid point.

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by boatshed bill » Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:48 pm

If I was Tarky I'd be insulted by the low bid and tell, Sullivan, Gold Etc to shove their club !

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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by Firthy » Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:54 pm

Murger wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:43 pm
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Haha I could have written that on just what I've read in the media.
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Re: Tark - transfer

Post by FactualFrank » Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:57 pm

Firthy wrote:
Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:54 pm
Haha I could have written that on just what I've read in the media.
I could have written that by just what I've read on here!

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