Tark - transfer

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Sat Sep 05, 2020 9:11 am

No you haven’t...

EarbyClaret · Post by **EarbyClaret** » Sat Sep 05, 2020 9:17 am

Can't see this being a move that would appeal to JT

If it's about the football, the management, the club (as they currently stand) then think we are better on all three counts at the present

If it's about the money and/or playing for England - then Leicester - to give just one example, there will be others - would be a far better option

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Sat Sep 05, 2020 9:22 am

If Tarkowski wants away he will be more ambitious than jumping ship for a struggling disfunctional club like West Ham, his sites will be on a top 6 club.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Sat Sep 05, 2020 9:26 am

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 05, 2020 4:29 am
some of us are still haunted by Joe Neenan and Mark Kendall, we need time

They were world class compared to Diego Penny & Chris Pearce

Bigvince · Post by **Bigvince** » Sat Sep 05, 2020 9:32 am

Steve1956 wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 05, 2020 9:26 am
They were world class compared to Diego Penny & Chris Pearce

Roger no hansbury, the list goes on

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Sat Sep 05, 2020 9:33 am

Bigvince wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 05, 2020 9:32 am
Roger no hansbury, the list goes on

I 'd erased him from my memory thanks for reminding me....stuff of nightmares that fella

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Sat Sep 05, 2020 9:35 am

What happened to the 50 million release clause ?

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Sat Sep 05, 2020 9:35 am

He could probably double his wages to be fair. Anyone would consider that.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Sat Sep 05, 2020 9:58 am

Everton or Leicester would be better options, but I suppose its dependant on which clubs make an offer for him.

We all know West Ham are a basket case club, but if they're going to offer him a shed load more in wages and they up their transfer offer, then off he goes if that's what he wants.

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Sat Sep 05, 2020 10:00 am

Chester Perry wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 05, 2020 1:15 am
It goes back to the repeated misunderstanding of what Garlick said in April, which is still widely shared by Burnley fans never mind anyone else. People think we are broke, we are most definitely not broke.

Garlick's nightmare scenario was based on no more football through to now and no sign of when football would start again from now, it was forged on the understanding of what our contractual/obligated outgoings were in that timeframe and where our financial situation would be if no monies were coming in because on no football being played and no sign of it being played in the near future - that has very clearly not happened. It also quite clearly indicated that we had £50m in cash at the point of lockdown.

If the reports are to be believed that the Premier League are to pay in full last season's distribution then we have just come off the back of a season were we likely recorded record revenues, due to increased TV monies - if that is the case then the season itself will likely have generated a profit and a cash uplift - the news of the PPTV deal may change that.

Many will read this and think we have money to spend, we will have some, but our board will be looking down the track at reduced TV monies over multiple seasons whether in the Premier League or on Parachute payments (a result of rebates etc), likely challenges on the commercial front with probable reductions in a number of areas, and minimal income from matchday - our traditional compact ground is not well equipped for social distancing.

The board will oversee the necessary adjustments to ensure our club withstands the financial hazards of the coming seasons and seek to keep us free from debt and in robust health. Unfortunately the reward for being the only club in the country not needing to ask the owners or lenders for money during this crisis is continued prudence and of course the existence of our treasured club

Great post. When you point this out it just makes Garlick’s statement, particularly the timing, all the more strange. Almost like he was desperate to plead poverty. Especially since no other Chairman made similar statements (to my knowledge) and our cash reserves.

Dyche now appears to be public ally bullish about our financial position. Can imagine that is unhelpful in negotiations. Not sure if this is to apply some pressure on the Board and limit excuses (which he’d be well within his rights to do), or

Your post last night re: the PL funding a rescue package for the EFL is interesting. Nobody wants to see the football pyramid destroyed, or more clubs go out of business, but the only way football will become more sustainable long term is for a readjustment and that (in my opinion) starts with players reducing wages to more reasonable levels.

Firthy · Post by **Firthy** » Sat Sep 05, 2020 10:24 am

Few reasons this won't happen.

Tarks joined us because he wanted to be near his family in the NW, hence the reason for the £50m clause if he joins a NW club so the fact West Ham are in London won't appeal.

They are a poorly run club who might be relegation candidates next season.

Karen Brady.

The only redeeming quality is that they play in Claret and Blue.

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Sat Sep 05, 2020 11:10 am

NewClaret wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 05, 2020 10:00 am
Great post. When you point this out it just makes Garlick’s statement, particularly the timing, all the more strange. Almost like he was desperate to plead poverty. Especially since no other Chairman made similar statements (to my knowledge) and our cash reserves.

Dyche now appears to be public ally bullish about our financial position. Can imagine that is unhelpful in negotiations. Not sure if this is to apply some pressure on the Board and limit excuses (which he’d be well within his rights to do), or

Your post last night re: the PL funding a rescue package for the EFL is interesting. Nobody wants to see the football pyramid destroyed, or more clubs go out of business, but the only way football will become more sustainable long term is for a readjustment and that (in my opinion) starts with players reducing wages to more reasonable levels.

I still think the chairman was within his rights to say what he did - though much was not known publicly he will have been aware of:
- the non-payment by PPTV (£160m);
- the clamour for rebates from all broadcasters at home and abroad (potentially £760m)
- the growing calls within the game/parliament for the Premier League to to provide financial support packages to: the EPL.; Non-League; The Women's game; the grass roots game; and possibly even the FA.
- the demand that the Premier League should make significant donations to the NH?S and any other crises in the country
- The ignorance of the massive good work clubs were doing in their communities when government services were effectively withdrawn

Then there was the outrage of clubs using the furlough scheme, when much bigger and richer companies in other sectors made extensive use of it

All through this there have been very few voices saying that the Premier League did not have the money and had at many financial difficulties/obligations of it's own and even less accepting of that

Dyched · Post by **Dyched** » Sat Sep 05, 2020 11:22 am

Firthy wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 05, 2020 10:24 am
Few reasons this won't happen.

Tarks joined us because he wanted to be near his family in the NW, hence the reason for the £50m clause if he joins a NW club so the fact West Ham are in London won't appeal.

They are a poorly run club who might be relegation candidates next season.

Karen Brady.

The only redeeming quality is that they play in Claret and Blue.

Tarks moved to London from Oldham early in his career. Things changed and he moved back north. People hanging onto this as a way if desperately keeping him is rather strange. He was 23 when he arrived here, he’s now 27. Things can change massively for people in those years.

It’s not like London is far anyway. It’s a simple train journey away.

karatekid · Post by **karatekid** » Sat Sep 05, 2020 11:56 am

He’ll probably wait until H2O is ready

AlargeClaret · Post by **AlargeClaret** » Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:24 pm

Will need a lot more than the 20m they’re offering but I’d imagine if it got to 35m with add ons he’d defo be off , they’d likely double his wages

burnleymik · Post by **burnleymik** » Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:27 pm

karatekid wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 05, 2020 11:56 am
He’ll probably wait until H2O is ready

I know they think we are primitive in the North, but we do have water!

jojomk1 · Post by **jojomk1** » Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:30 pm

This transfer window will probably see Tarks at his maximum value to us
Not saying it will happen, but the club have to consider the situation we got into with Hendrick's failed contract talks that ended with him going for a free.
We certainly can't afford a similar scenario with JT
We should have been talking to him this summer about a new deal but if there is little encouragement from his advisors then we have to maximise his value now
Even if there is a £50m release clause it doesn't mean the club won't, in the end, accept less
Anything is better than nothing two years from now
Of course we could hold out, he has a great season, and a bidding war starts next summer but that may be a risk the club don't want to make
Hopefully he is happy and signs a new deal but the further this goes into next year will be a worry

AlargeClaret · Post by **AlargeClaret** » Sat Sep 05, 2020 1:44 pm

Tarks is indeed at “ maximum value” as an asset . If strictly profit was our goal he’d have to go . He’d be sorely missed but he could run the show at most clubs for double bubble . Getting a replacement high quality prem centre half at v short notice could be tricky

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Sat Sep 05, 2020 1:45 pm

AlargeClaret wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:24 pm
Will need a lot more than the 20m they’re offering but I’d imagine if it got to 35m with add ons he’d defo be off , they’d likely double his wages

The number has been corrected to £27m plus substantial add-ons as the first bid that we dismissed - quite right too

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Sat Sep 05, 2020 1:58 pm

Very much depends what the add-ons are for. If its for international caps then I wouldnt bother as not sure he can quite cut it at that level

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:00 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 05, 2020 1:58 pm
Very much depends what the add-ons are for. If its for international caps then I wouldnt bother as not sure he can quite cut it at that level

needs to be much higher and up front payment too - no even staggered payments for us - cash will be king in the transfer window

CombatClaret · Post by **CombatClaret** » Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:03 pm

Yes 'the market has moved on' but I think we'd struggle to turn down an offer once it's reasonably over Keane's £30million record fee.
If someone meets us half way from there to our supposed £40million price tag I think there's a deal to be had.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:03 pm

Chester Perry wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:00 pm
needs to be much higher and up front payment too - no even staggered payments for us - cash will be king in the transfer window

Does any club deal in non staggered payments? We dont need all the money up front in out commitment to any wages and transfer fees is spread over several years

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:05 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:03 pm
Does any club deal in non staggered payments? We dont need all the money up front in out commitment to any wages and transfer fees is spread over several years

I think most deals are done that way now

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:07 pm

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:05 pm
I think most deals are done that way now

What with the full fee paid upfront? If thats the case then agree we need to be very careful about accepting staggered payments

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:16 pm

Imo JT was our outstanding player last season. If he want away then fair enough. If not then up his wages as a reward for a great season and move on. Only if somebody offers silly money like Man U did for McGuire should he be sold. Unless as I said earlier he is desperate to leave

Steddyman · Post by **Steddyman** » Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:19 pm

NewClaret wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 04, 2020 9:19 pm
This transfer window is becoming a joke.

Only serious speculation for weeks has been around Gibson. We’ve lost 3 players in an arguably understrength squad and clearly have no replacements lined up. Our only link is a Championship centre back & now our best centre back is subject to a bid from a direct rival/club below us.

Same as the last 3 windows then. Did you expect anything else?

Mattster · Post by **Mattster** » Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:20 pm

ExWestHamEmployee saying Tarks has told them he's not interested so West Ham are moving on.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:25 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:07 pm
What with the full fee paid upfront? If thats the case then agree we need to be very careful about accepting staggered payments

No, the other way round, I wasn't very clear with the post. I can't imagine there are too many deals that are done with an upfront payment unless it's the fire sale at Wigan.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:27 pm

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:25 pm
No, the other way round, I wasn't very clear with the post. I can't imagine there are too many deals that are done with an upfront payment unless it's the fire sale at Wigan.

Ok thanks for clarification and thats what I thought would be the case

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:32 pm

Mattster wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:20 pm
ExWestHamEmployee saying Tarks has told them he's not interested so West Ham are moving on.

That’s very interesting. He’s basically spot on with everything WHU, isn’t he?

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:36 pm

Yes he is ITK at West Ham I imagine he is pretty much spot on. I imagine Tarks wouldn’t have played today if he was even remotely considering it

jojomk1 · Post by **jojomk1** » Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:41 pm

If Leicester came calling I think he could be gone

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:47 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:03 pm
Does any club deal in non staggered payments? We dont need all the money up front in out commitment to any wages and transfer fees is spread over several years

not often but it can be used as a ploy to make a deal harder to push through and underline a hard nosed reputation for your club - Leicester forced it through on the Maguire deal and Palace got the Wan Bissaka deal done for 2 payments (he signed for 5 years)

I am wanting the cash so we can bid cash upfront for our targets

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Sat Sep 05, 2020 3:15 pm

Amusing how some Burnley fans on here are adamant Burnley only make bids for show, not to be serious, yet when West Ham make this sort of bid our idiots are nowhere to be seen...

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Sat Sep 05, 2020 3:17 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 05, 2020 3:15 pm
Amusing how some Burnley fans on here are adamant Burnley only make bids for show, not to be serious, yet when West Ham make this sort of bid our idiots are nowhere to be seen...

West Ham are say much the same on their board

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Sat Sep 05, 2020 3:17 pm

Steddyman wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:19 pm
Same as the last 3 windows then. Did you expect anything else?

I did hold out some hope, actually. Mainly because of the previous windows and the loss of players - thought they’d manage to have learned the lessons and been more prepared this time. Silly me.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sat Sep 05, 2020 4:09 pm

NewClaret wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 05, 2020 3:17 pm
I did hold out some hope, actually. Mainly because of the previous windows and the loss of players - thought they’d manage to have learned the lessons and been more prepared this time. Silly me.

What makes you think they're not prepared? I thought it was commonly accepted that we make signings later in the transfer window as that is when our targets become available for a price we can afford. I can't believe people still get surprised every transfer window when we don't make signings early in the window.

LoveCurryPies · Post by **LoveCurryPies** » Sat Sep 05, 2020 4:12 pm

The fact an offer has been made puts Tarkowski in the news and may trigger another club bidding.

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Sat Sep 05, 2020 4:16 pm

Rileybobs wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 05, 2020 4:09 pm
What makes you think they're not prepared? I thought it was commonly accepted that we make signings later in the transfer window as that is when our targets become available for a price we can afford. I can't believe people still get surprised every transfer window when we don't make signings early in the window.

Well the season starts a week today (not for us, but we couldn’t have known that). We ended last season with barely enough players to pick a team. If ever there has been a time to adapt your approach, it’s this year. However we’ve done things in the past, would it not have been better to have any new players we were aiming to buy in for part of pre-season and working with the team?

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sat Sep 05, 2020 4:21 pm

NewClaret wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 05, 2020 4:16 pm
Well the season starts a week today (not for us, but we couldn’t have known that). We ended last season with barely enough players to pick a team. If ever there has been a time to adapt your approach, it’s this year. However we’ve done things in the past, would it not have been better to have any new players we were aiming to buy in for part of pre-season and working with the team?

It's always better to have new players in at the beginning of pre-season but we never do, that's not how we do things for reasons explained above. We don't prioritise getting players in for the first game of the season, as in reality, new recruits wouldn't be walking straight into our lineup. I can understand the frustration, but it's best to accept that that is how we do our business and it has served us well.

Stockbrokerbelt · Post by **Stockbrokerbelt** » Sat Sep 05, 2020 4:23 pm

No bid made, more bullshit from the gang of porn dealers who own WH, if it was Chelsea I would be worried. Have Leicester not just bought a CB from Italy? Don’t be surprised to see Turks sign a new contract shortly.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Sat Sep 05, 2020 4:35 pm

LoveCurryPies wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 05, 2020 4:12 pm
The fact an offer has been made puts Tarkowski in the news and may trigger another club bidding.

Ah a good old fashioned auction to push the price up.

Hedontplayforyou · Post by **Hedontplayforyou** » Sat Sep 05, 2020 4:44 pm

Stockbrokerbelt wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 05, 2020 4:23 pm
No bid made, more bullshit from the gang of porn dealers who own WH, if it was Chelsea I would be worried. Have Leicester not just bought a CB from Italy? Don’t be surprised to see Turks sign a new contract shortly.

Castagna is a left back

buzzclarets79 · Post by **buzzclarets79** » Sat Sep 05, 2020 4:57 pm

http://www.westhamonline.net/forum_flat ... 6116|n|1|4

A Hammers fan forum, interesting comments like "Dunk (brighton) is much better than Tarks.......Tarks has handed in a transfer request and wants out(they've clearly get that from this board!)............ and apparently due to Covid we will be the worst hit club and we will have to cash in on him (strange as we've no debts unlike them)

Give the England match a miss and read their forum its much more entertaining....

TsarBomba · Post by **TsarBomba** » Sat Sep 05, 2020 5:43 pm

West Ham conceded 5 today at home to Bournemouth.

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Sat Sep 05, 2020 5:45 pm

Just seen that he played today. That’s cheered me up!

jurek · Post by **jurek** » Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:36 am

According to the Daily Star Leicester are to rival West Ham
with a bid of 30m for Tarks.

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/footb ... m-22634008

Hope not and hope Tarks isn't interested.

Given Mee is still injured and Gibson gone we can't afford to lose him
even if 50m was bid.

IF he stayed and had another good season he's still be worth 30m next year.

Woodleyclaret · Post by **Woodleyclaret** » Sun Sep 06, 2020 6:44 am

Tarks is a £50m player far better in every dept than Maguire
But it's all paper talk and nothing will happen .
We wont sign anyone as funds are too low
That's more worrying, given Sean's pleas for clarity last season

TsarBomba · Post by **TsarBomba** » Sun Sep 06, 2020 2:08 pm

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