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Southgate's replacement

Post by Woodleyclaret » Sun Sep 06, 2020 7:40 am

With Gareth Southgate clearly struggling with his own reputation for selecting and playing inform players like Nick Pope.Tarks.Danny Ings and Grealish, how long before his media picks bomb and he gets sacked?
If so is Frank Lampard now the main contender.?
Frank may welcome the chance to bail out of a club expecting the title now with£200m spent.He could leave with his head held high and his growing reputation as a coach intact.

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Re: Southgate's replacement

Post by DAVETHEVICAR » Sun Sep 06, 2020 7:53 am

Southgate will be England’s Manager for several years yet

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Re: Southgate's replacement

Post by Aclaret » Sun Sep 06, 2020 7:54 am

DAVETHEVICAR wrote:
Sun Sep 06, 2020 7:53 am
Southgate will be England’s Manager for several years yet
😥

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Re: Southgate's replacement

Post by taio » Sun Sep 06, 2020 7:56 am

Southgate will be around for a while yet and even if he wasn't I doubt Lampard would see it as the right time for him.

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Re: Southgate's replacement

Post by Pearcey » Sun Sep 06, 2020 7:58 am

Can’t see Lampard looking for an easy way out to be honest. He’s now got everything he wants. Top managers like the challenge. Southgate is going nowhere as he hasn’t really done anything wrong in terms of results.

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Re: Southgate's replacement

Post by fatboy47 » Sun Sep 06, 2020 7:58 am

Hell be around for as long as they want an office boy in charge.
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Re: Southgate's replacement

Post by box_of_frogs » Sun Sep 06, 2020 8:29 am

Only an abject failure at the next tournament will see him leave. Long way to go unfortunately.

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Re: Southgate's replacement

Post by Wellsy1882 » Sun Sep 06, 2020 8:29 am

As if lampards going to leave a title chasing chelsea for england spesh after all theyv signed

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Re: Southgate's replacement

Post by MACCA » Sun Sep 06, 2020 8:30 am

He says yes a hell of a lot, and looks like a school kid in the yard on his first day, he will get a little more time than he deserves.

He's done everything he said he wouldn't do regards squad and team selection.
Oh and the football is terrible.

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Re: Southgate's replacement

Post by gawthorpe_view » Sun Sep 06, 2020 8:54 am

box_of_frogs wrote:
Sun Sep 06, 2020 8:29 am
Only an abject failure at the next tournament will see him leave. Long way to go unfortunately.
So not too long to go.

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Re: Southgate's replacement

Post by jrgbfc » Sun Sep 06, 2020 9:47 am

The guy got us to a World cup semi final not that long ago and has introduced lots of exciting young players. What do people actually expect from a fairly average group of players?
I suppose if he was picking "our Nick and Tarky" he'd be doing a great job in the eyes of most people on here.

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Re: Southgate's replacement

Post by Dyched » Sun Sep 06, 2020 9:52 am

jrgbfc wrote:
Sun Sep 06, 2020 9:47 am
The guy got us to a World cup semi final not that long ago and has introduced lots of exciting young players. What do people actually expect from a fairly average group of players?
I suppose if he was picking "our Nick and Tarky" he'd be doing a great job in the eyes of most people on here.
Ohh you’re gonna rattle a few with that post :lol:.

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Re: Southgate's replacement

Post by MACCA » Sun Sep 06, 2020 10:03 am

jrgbfc wrote:
Sun Sep 06, 2020 9:47 am
The guy got us to a World cup semi final not that long ago and has introduced lots of exciting young players. What do people actually expect from a fairly average group of players?
I suppose if he was picking "our Nick and Tarky" he'd be doing a great job in the eyes of most people on here.
I'll bite

He got a bye to the semi, the football is terrible, trippier isnt a LB, Dier isnt the 2nd best English CB available.
He also said he would pick squads and teams based on form and anyone not playing regularly cant expect a call up, so has completely gone against his words when he got the job.

Other than that he's doing great.

Thankfully we were at crow wood for z few drinks, so watch folk enjoying the leisure facilities instead of that dross
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Re: Southgate's replacement

Post by Quickenthetempo » Sun Sep 06, 2020 10:03 am

I know the FA haven't got that much money at the minute but if that changes.

I would throw a load at Klopp to take over at the end of season, see if we could tempt him?

He plays fast attacking football that will suit English players and won lots recently.

Southgate is clueless.

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Re: Southgate's replacement

Post by firstclaret » Sun Sep 06, 2020 10:13 am

English tick
Taken a team down tick
Step forward Eddie Howe

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Re: Southgate's replacement

Post by Rileybobs » Sun Sep 06, 2020 10:16 am

Southgate is there to stay, and rightly so at the minute. He’s been successful to date, that doesn’t change after one game. He needs to take a step back and reflect on why he’s been successful and why the players and supporters have got behind the team though. More selections and performances like yesterday will see the fans and media turn on him.

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Re: Southgate's replacement

Post by dandeclaret » Sun Sep 06, 2020 10:30 am

Why is a manager who got to the semi finals of the last World Cup, and the finals of the nations league, whilst blooding younger talent, getting pilloried on here so much? Because he didn’t pick Pope to start or Tarkowski in the squad? I would understand it if England were as bad as they have traditionally been for much of the last 30 years, but not when they’re usually playing decent football and getting good results.

The specs aren’t claret tinted, they’re positively opaque.

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Re: Southgate's replacement

Post by claptrappers_union » Sun Sep 06, 2020 10:31 am

Southgate is there to stay, I believe Dyche our Howe will be next in line though.

However, I’m beginning to wonder if Southgate is actually picking the squad, I suspect the sponsors have some control these days.

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Re: Southgate's replacement

Post by jrgbfc » Sun Sep 06, 2020 10:36 am

MACCA wrote:
Sun Sep 06, 2020 10:03 am
I'll bite

He got a bye to the semi, the football is terrible, trippier isnt a LB, Dier isnt the 2nd best English CB available.
He also said he would pick squads and teams based on form and anyone not playing regularly cant expect a call up, so has completely gone against his words when he got the job.

Other than that he's doing great.

Thankfully we were at crow wood for z few drinks, so watch folk enjoying the leisure facilities instead of that dross
Yesterday was a glorified friendly though. I'm sure it was just a case of trying a few things out. And you could make a case for our runs to the semis in Italia 90 and Euro 96 being a bit fortunate, but no one remembers it now.

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Re: Southgate's replacement

Post by Zlatan » Sun Sep 06, 2020 10:38 am

claptrappers_union wrote:
Sun Sep 06, 2020 10:31 am
Southgate is there to stay, I believe Dyche our Howe will be next in line though.

However, I’m beginning to wonder if Southgate is actually picking the squad, I suspect the sponsors have some control these days.
Nail on head

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Re: Southgate's replacement

Post by jrgbfc » Sun Sep 06, 2020 10:40 am

dandeclaret wrote:
Sun Sep 06, 2020 10:30 am
Why is a manager who got to the semi finals of the last World Cup, and the finals of the nations league, whilst blooding younger talent, getting pilloried on here so much? Because he didn’t pick Pope to start or Tarkowski in the squad? I would understand it if England were as bad as they have traditionally been for much of the last 30 years, but not when they’re usually playing decent football and getting good results.

The specs aren’t claret tinted, they’re positively opaque.
Completely agree, its bizarre. Personally I think Southgate has been a breath of fresh air after the circus around the over hyped "golden generation" and the Steve McLaren/Hodgson years.

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Re: Southgate's replacement

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sun Sep 06, 2020 10:43 am

Quickenthetempo wrote:
Sun Sep 06, 2020 10:03 am
I know the FA haven't got that much money at the minute but if that changes.

I would throw a load at Klopp to take over at the end of season, see if we could tempt him?

He plays fast attacking football that will suit English players and won lots recently.

Southgate is clueless.
Won't happen as he's already stated he's taking a break from football when he leaves Liverpool so he's not likely to want the England job.

Also club managers work with their players majority of the time, and transferring ideas is easier than managing a group of players you see for the odd week or two here and there.

If clubs all played a similar style it would be easier for a national manager to pick a team, but they don't.

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Re: Southgate's replacement

Post by warksclaret » Sun Sep 06, 2020 10:50 am

I can live with, and understand why he stuck with Pickford. He has the same loyalty to players as SD. However Trippier at left back; Dyer back in the team and in defence;Walker back in the team and at RB instead of Trippier; Foden starting (surely you have to earn the opportunity). Those decisions to me are hard to accept

Southgate strikes me as the type of English manager who would never have played Gazza at his peak.

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Re: Southgate's replacement

Post by jrgbfc » Sun Sep 06, 2020 11:07 am

warksclaret wrote:
Sun Sep 06, 2020 10:50 am
I can live with, and understand why he stuck with Pickford. He has the same loyalty to players as SD. However Trippier at left back; Dyer back in the team and in defence;Walker back in the team and at RB instead of Trippier; Foden starting (surely you have to earn the opportunity). Those decisions to me are hard to accept

Southgate strikes me as the type of English manager who would never have played Gazza at his peak.
I'm sure TAA and probably Trippier are ahead of Walker in the right back pecking order. And I disagree about Foden, a player that good just get them in there early. It's not like we have an abundance of top quality midfielders is it?

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Re: Southgate's replacement

Post by kaptin1 » Sun Sep 06, 2020 11:18 am

Being England manager used to be the pinnacle of any English manager’s career. Now it’s a job for people who can’t get a similar role at a Premier League or Championship side.

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Re: Southgate's replacement

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sun Sep 06, 2020 11:21 am

Southgate had a very lucky World Cup where we beat the dross and lost to any half decent nation.

He is now starting to prove that he can’t manage top players.

The current crop of players is arguably the best in the world and we are knowhere near good enough. We will get stuffed at the Euros

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Re: Southgate's replacement

Post by jrgbfc » Sun Sep 06, 2020 11:23 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Sun Sep 06, 2020 11:21 am
Southgate had a very lucky World Cup where we beat the dross and lost to any half decent nation.

He is now starting to prove that he can’t manage top players.

The current crop of players is arguably the best in the world and we are knowhere near good enough. We will get stuffed at the Euros
Best in the world? Really? We've got some good attacking players but the rest of the side is average at best.

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Re: Southgate's replacement

Post by Woodleyclaret » Sun Sep 06, 2020 11:28 am

Nice mix of opinions as it should be but personally I think the FA have got the yes man they deserve
He will win nothing and still keep his job

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Re: Southgate's replacement

Post by dandeclaret » Sun Sep 06, 2020 11:32 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Sun Sep 06, 2020 11:21 am
Southgate had a very lucky World Cup where we beat the dross and lost to any half decent nation.

He is now starting to prove that he can’t manage top players.

The current crop of players is arguably the best in the world and we are knowhere near good enough. We will get stuffed at the Euros

Classic England fan thinking. The golden generation we’re supposed to be the best in the world, but we’re just overhyped. Similar is happening with this group. There is potential, but it has to be realised.

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Re: Southgate's replacement

Post by Colburn_Claret » Sun Sep 06, 2020 11:34 am

Should be Dyche.
When you are choosing from the best players in any country, then there isn't a lot you can teach them as individuals. It's all about organising them into a team unit. Organising a team unit is SDs speciality.
The problem with yesterdays performance is how disjointed we are as a team unit. XI great players doing their own thing, will always struggle against lesser players who are a team.

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Re: Southgate's replacement

Post by claptrappers_union » Sun Sep 06, 2020 11:44 am

kaptin1 wrote:
Sun Sep 06, 2020 11:18 am
Being England manager used to be the pinnacle of any English manager’s career. Now it’s a job for people who can’t get a similar role at a Premier League or Championship side.
That was exposed when Sven almost left to become Chelsea manager (I know he’s not English). I think the FA want someone who is in their ranks with no real desire to leave for a domestic club. It wouldn’t surprise me that if Southgate did leave, it’ll be someone like Aidy Boothroyd.

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Re: Southgate's replacement

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sun Sep 06, 2020 11:44 am

dandeclaret wrote:
Sun Sep 06, 2020 11:32 am
Classic England fan thinking. The golden generation we’re supposed to be the best in the world, but we’re just overhyped. Similar is happening with this group. There is potential, but it has to be realised.
Or is just that I think a manager that got sacked by Boro isn’t up to the scratch of managing top players?

Our biggest threat is from set pieces, that is **** poor given the players we have

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Re: Southgate's replacement

Post by dandeclaret » Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:00 pm

Clearly, given the results of the team in his time with them, he is good enough.

Which players do England have? Kane, Sterling..... that’s about it in terms of true top level players. Plenty of potential in Foden, Sancho, Greenwood..... but as I said, it has to be realised.

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Re: Southgate's replacement

Post by MDWat » Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:06 pm

I have to say that I don’t understand Tarkowski’s omission from the squad and it does contradict everything Southgate said in terms of picking players on form rather than reputation, but I do see the benefits to keeping, in the main, the same core group of players together. It must be hard enough as it is to get a togetherness in a squad to get the most out of players, but when you’ve wholesale changes to a squad every single time, it must be even more difficult so I understand, to some degree, why he keeps it largely the same.

There’s a couple of players I really don’t understand being in the squad (Dier and Rice, who I was staggered to see both start yesterday’s game) but there always will be players you don’t agree with. I’m a bit on the fence with Southgate but there’s a lot of tripe on this thread.

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Re: Southgate's replacement

Post by Devils_Advocate » Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:09 pm

The qualifying campaign for 1990 was like watching a bad Steve Cotterill team and the performances up to the Germany at the tournament were average at best

The build up games to Euro 96 again were awful and apart from the Holland game we scrambled our way to a semi final defeat

When Southgate came in the biggest moan was that managers stick with the old guard and dont give youth a chance. Southgate has changed that and now looks for a balance between the experienced players he can trust and blooding youth and the mix has worked pretty well

There are better teams and better managers out there than England and Southgate but if we judge him on what hes done so far then he has been a success.

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Re: Southgate's replacement

Post by SalisburyClaret » Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:37 pm

Southgate is not even close to being competent for this role. Leaving aside his truly appalling selection of out of form players and those who can’t get a regular game for their clubs. His inability to change tactics yesterday was staggering. He can’t even play players in their normal positions.

Exceptionally lucky to scrape a win against a team who are about the same level as Coventry’s reserves. The cheating for their penalty was shameful.
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Re: Southgate's replacement

Post by Clarets4me » Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:52 pm

" The red card and the penalty we conceded took a bit of the gloss off our victory " , Gareth Southgate ....

Mate, did you watch the game ? What " gloss " ?? Iceland had 6 first choice players unavailable, from a country with the same population as Coventry, and we went nearly an hour without a shot on target ..... :roll:
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Re: Southgate's replacement

Post by dandeclaret » Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:54 pm

SalisburyClaret wrote:
Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:37 pm
Southgate is not even close to being competent for this role. Leaving aside his truly appalling selection of out of form players and those who can’t get a regular game for their clubs. His inability to change tactics yesterday was staggering. He can’t even play players in their normal positions.

Exceptionally lucky to scrape a win against a team who are about the same level as Coventry’s reserves. The cheating for their penalty was shameful.
There’s often a lot of nonsense written in this board but deeming a manager who took a team to a World Cup and Nations league semi final as “Not even close” to being good enough whilst staying an international team with some players who play in the Strongest leagues in Europe as like a league one reserve side, means that the above post is in contention for most nonsensical post of the year.

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Re: Southgate's replacement

Post by FactualFrank » Sun Sep 06, 2020 1:10 pm

I suspect a lot of people above didn't watch any/much of the game and just saw we won 1-0 with a late penalty. After all, a lot of people said they weren't watching when Pope was named on the bench.

You can see that our passing was very good, and this was against a team who pressed extremely well, and also covered the players who were going to get the 2nd and 3rd ball.

He's bringing through a lot of young and exciting players and you could see how we passed the ball around that we have the technical players available to play as well as most other teams, if not all. Defence will be key as for how we can go.

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Re: Southgate's replacement

Post by Steve1956 » Sun Sep 06, 2020 1:21 pm

Clarets4me wrote:
Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:52 pm
" The red card and the penalty we conceded took a bit of the gloss off our victory " , Gareth Southgate ....

Mate, did you watch the game ? What " gloss " ?? Iceland had 6 first choice players unavailable, from a country with the same population as Coventry, and we went nearly an hour without a shot on target ..... :roll:
Great post mate,with that Bellend in charge England are heading in one direction.....nowhere!
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Re: Southgate's replacement

Post by SalisburyClaret » Sun Sep 06, 2020 1:29 pm

dandeclaret wrote:
Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:54 pm
There’s often a lot of nonsense written in this board but deeming a manager who took a team to a World Cup and Nations league semi final as “Not even close” to being good enough whilst staying an international team with some players who play in the Strongest leagues in Europe as like a league one reserve side, means that the above post is in contention for most nonsensical post of the year.
Since Iceland’s World Cup success, they are very frequently compared to Coventry because if the similarity of their population and age profile for selecting players. That was pretty much their second stream team yesterday. So the comparison to a League One reserve team is perfectly valid.

If you think Gareth’s team selection and tactics displayed his competency yesterday, well that’s your choice to make.

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Re: Southgate's replacement

Post by dandeclaret » Sun Sep 06, 2020 1:45 pm

SalisburyClaret wrote:
Sun Sep 06, 2020 1:29 pm
Since Iceland’s World Cup success, they are very frequently compared to Coventry because if the similarity of their population and age profile for selecting players. That was pretty much their second stream team yesterday. So the comparison to a League One reserve team is perfectly valid.

If you think Gareth’s team selection and tactics displayed his competency yesterday, well that’s your choice to make.
Except good players from Coventry can be poached to go to bigger clubs whilst they can't attract them, whereas Iceland will always have their best players available to them.

As for judging managers on the merits of 1 game, my opinion on that, is that it can make you look silly. Has the England team moved forward under Southgate? In my opinion yes, a good way, and judging one performance, in pre season, is a very weak argument.

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