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Post by groove » Sun Sep 06, 2020 7:54 am

Awful new coming from Birmingham this morning. Major incident declared. Multiple stabbings, unofficial reports of fatalities. Sounds like a bar fight has escalated. Not sure if terror related.

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Re: Birmingham

Post by fatboy47 » Sun Sep 06, 2020 7:59 am

Alabama?
Or West Midlands?

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Re: Birmingham

Post by Longsider » Sun Sep 06, 2020 8:03 am

fatboy47 wrote:
Sun Sep 06, 2020 7:59 am
Alabama?
Or West Midlands?
West Midlands. It took place on Hurst Street, which is an area of bars, cafes and restaurants in the centre of Birmingham's gay quarter.

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Re: Birmingham

Post by BenWickes » Sun Sep 06, 2020 8:23 am

Girl who works in one of the clubs there said on the BBC that the atmosphere was different all night. Sounds like it was just one of those nights that developed into a perfect storm based on what she's saying. Alcohol, city centre, social distancing not being adhered to, mass gatherings.

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Re: Birmingham

Post by Bigbopper » Sun Sep 06, 2020 11:31 am

Reports suggest 1 dead and 7 more injured. Good night out in Brum.Also multiple stabbings in London .Whats is the problem with these people?

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Re: Birmingham

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sun Sep 06, 2020 11:33 am

Bigbopper wrote:
Sun Sep 06, 2020 11:31 am
Reports suggest 1 dead and 7 more injured. Good night out in Brum.Also multiple stabbings in London .Whats is the problem with these people?
We failed to introduce tough enough laws for carrying an offensive weapon in public.
We got soft on crime across the board, automatic releases etc.
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Re: Birmingham

Post by Boss Hogg » Sun Sep 06, 2020 11:42 am

I’ll wait and see if I’m surprised by the perpetrators of this crime. Doubt I will be.

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Re: Birmingham

Post by Colburn_Claret » Sun Sep 06, 2020 11:42 am

Bigbopper wrote:
Sun Sep 06, 2020 11:31 am
Reports suggest 1 dead and 7 more injured. Good night out in Brum.Also multiple stabbings in London .Whats is the problem with these people?
I honestly think we are the problem.
As a country we are as soft as muck in dealing with knife wielding, gang cultures. More prison cells, and no namby pamby excuses of a deprived child hood. They need taking off the streets. Carrying a knife should be a mandatory jail sentence. If you get caught a second time, double the sentence, and keep doubling it until they learn that carrying a knife isn't worth it.
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Re: Birmingham

Post by Jakubclaret » Sun Sep 06, 2020 11:47 am

Boss Hogg wrote:
Sun Sep 06, 2020 11:42 am
I’ll wait and see if I’m surprised by the perpetrators of this crime. Doubt I will be.
Looking for 1 single suspect, they'll no doubt be thrown into a cell at some point with a playstation & a mobile phone.

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Re: Birmingham

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sun Sep 06, 2020 11:48 am

Colburn_Claret wrote:
Sun Sep 06, 2020 11:42 am
I honestly think we are the problem.
As a country we are as soft as muck in dealing with knife wielding, gang cultures. More prison cells, and no namby pamby excuses of a deprived child hood. They need taking off the streets. Carrying a knife should be a mandatory jail sentence. If you get caught a second time, double the sentence, and keep doubling it until they learn that carrying a knife isn't worth it.
It's 5yrs automatic for carrying a gun.
That also needs doubling for the first offence.

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Re: Birmingham

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sun Sep 06, 2020 11:49 am

Jakubclaret wrote:
Sun Sep 06, 2020 11:47 am
Looking for 1 single suspect, they'll no doubt be thrown into a cell at some point with a playstation & a mobile phone.
Not sure they've got enough time to hide a PlayStation and a phone up their rear end.
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Re: Birmingham

Post by Bigbopper » Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:30 pm

Birmingham Police Chief blames Corona Virus?

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Re: Birmingham

Post by Jakubclaret » Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:32 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Sun Sep 06, 2020 11:49 am
Not sure they've got enough time to hide a PlayStation and a phone up their rear end.
I actually meant after the initial police search prior detention :(
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Re: Birmingham

Post by claretandy » Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:33 pm

Happened in the gay village apparently.

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Re: Birmingham

Post by HahaYeah » Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:44 pm

The stabbings do not appear terrorism-related, gang-related or connected to disorder, West Midlands Police said.

The force urged anyone with CCTV or mobile footage to contact them.

Police said they were hunting a single suspect.

source BBC

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Re: Birmingham

Post by RingoMcCartney » Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:53 pm

Bigbopper wrote:
Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:30 pm
Birmingham Police Chief blames Corona Virus?
The clown claiming an increase in violence was "almost inevitable" due to the effects of the lockdown and ,specifically, young men having an uncertain future due to the economic effects of the virus.

What planet ?........

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Re: Birmingham

Post by evensteadiereddie » Sun Sep 06, 2020 1:06 pm

Having a few more coppers on the streets might help.

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Re: Birmingham

Post by RingoMcCartney » Sun Sep 06, 2020 1:08 pm

"SEVEN men are stabbed in one night in violent scenes across Lawless London including a teenager knifed on the Underground - as police make five arrests"

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... ondon.html

Barely gets a mention as it's just another night in the cesspit capital.

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Re: Birmingham

Post by evensteadiereddie » Sun Sep 06, 2020 1:11 pm

You know it well, do you ?

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Re: Birmingham

Post by TheFamilyCat » Sun Sep 06, 2020 1:12 pm

Those metropolitan bubble dinner parties in the ivory towers must be getting rowdy.

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Re: Birmingham

Post by TVC15 » Sun Sep 06, 2020 1:28 pm

10 years of massive cuts to every single part of the criminal justice system might be a tiny contributing factor.
Police cuts, all support services and the actual justice system itself.
Good programme on ch4 last week highlighting the extent of the issue - serious trials such as rape taking 3 years to get to court.
Spend a day down burnley magistrates courts if you want an idea of how messed up the country is....most trials are impacted by a lack of resources in either councils, CPS, probation services etc and the number that have to be adjourned because of something going wrong or not happening in the lead up is incredible....and everyone you talk to says it’s because of the cuts.
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Re: Birmingham

Post by bobinho » Sun Sep 06, 2020 1:30 pm

Colburn_Claret wrote:
Sun Sep 06, 2020 11:42 am
I honestly think we are the problem.
As a country we are as soft as muck in dealing with knife wielding, gang cultures. More prison cells, and no namby pamby excuses of a deprived child hood. They need taking off the streets. Carrying a knife should be a mandatory jail sentence. If you get caught a second time, double the sentence, and keep doubling it until they learn that carrying a knife isn't worth it.
Someone will be along in a minute... cuddle for the first offence, two cuddles for the second etc...

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Re: Birmingham

Post by ClaretMoffitt » Sun Sep 06, 2020 1:36 pm

It was far right

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Re: Birmingham

Post by bobinho » Sun Sep 06, 2020 1:37 pm

TVC15 wrote:
Sun Sep 06, 2020 1:28 pm
10 years of massive cuts to every single part of the criminal justice system might be a tiny contributing factor.
Police cuts, all support services and the actual justice system itself.
Good programme on ch4 last week highlighting the extent of the issue - serious trials such as rape taking 3 years to get to court.
Spend a day down burnley magistrates courts if you want an idea of how messed up the country is....most trials are impacted by a lack of resources in either councils, CPS, probation services etc and the number that have to be adjourned because of something going wrong or not happening in the lead up is incredible....and everyone you talk to says it’s because of the cuts.
Cuts? How about making sure sentences reflect the crime. That’s bugger all to do with cuts.
Carry a knife = 5 years no parole.
2nd offence, 10 years. Take a couple of weeks to get it thru parliament/lords if they want it. Trouble is all the loony liberals keep shouting about the human rights of the criminal, and forget about the victims.
“I carry a knife you honour, but I’ve had a deprived upbringing, please send me on an all expenses paid team building holiday”
“No chance young man, you’re off to prison where you can sit idle in a cell and mess with the PlayStation game ‘GTA’ and learn about stealing cars and ho’s.... that’ll learn ya”.

We’ve only had this for the last ten years.... before that, we were ‘tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime’ :shock:

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Re: Birmingham

Post by Wile E Coyote » Sun Sep 06, 2020 1:45 pm

with or without resources, there's a vile undercurrent in society, knifings, shootings, organised crime hugely increased over recent years. couple that with a judicial system that is skewed beyond belief and the result is the mess we have now.
And, whilst all this occurs, the government stance has been to reduce police numbers drastically. That is insane !!

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Re: Birmingham

Post by Jakubclaret » Sun Sep 06, 2020 1:54 pm

Think there's a vile undercurrent in society who want keep nutters & maniacs loose on the streets instead of locking them up, cuts are nothing to do with it we are far too soft on criminals & don't lock them up & when we do it's not for long enough.

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Re: Birmingham

Post by tiger76 » Sun Sep 06, 2020 1:56 pm

bobinho wrote:
Sun Sep 06, 2020 1:37 pm
Cuts? How about making sure sentences reflect the crime. That’s bugger all to do with cuts.
Carry a knife = 5 years no parole.
2nd offence, 10 years. Take a couple of weeks to get it thru parliament/lords if they want it. Trouble is all the loony liberals keep shouting about the human rights of the criminal, and forget about the victims.
“I carry a knife you honour, but I’ve had a deprived upbringing, please send me on an all expenses paid team building holiday”
“No chance young man, you’re off to prison where you can sit idle in a cell and mess with the PlayStation game ‘GTA’ and learn about stealing cars and ho’s.... that’ll learn ya”.

We’ve only had this for the last ten years.... before that, we were ‘tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime’ :shock:
That's very simplistic, I don't disagree with you in principle, however if you want to increase the prison population, then you have to build more capacity into the system, already our prisons are bursting at the seams, and this has led to serious disorder, and increased attacks on prison officers, who are also stretched to breaking point due to officers leaving the job, or many being off with stress and injuries.

So if the government are serious about tackling crime, then they need to put their money where their rhetoric is. Given this government's record thus far I wouldn't hold your breath on them doing that.

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Re: Birmingham

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sun Sep 06, 2020 1:58 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Sun Sep 06, 2020 1:56 pm
That's very simplistic, I don't disagree with you in principle, however if you want to increase the prison population, then you have to build more capacity into the system, already our prisons are bursting at the seams, and this has led to serious disorder, and increased attacks on prison officers, who are also stretched to breaking point due to officers leaving the job, or many being off with stress and injuries.

So if the government are serious about tackling crime, then they need to put their money where their rhetoric is. Given this government's record thus far I wouldn't hold your breath on them doing that.
This government have only had full control since last year, give them a chance :lol:

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Re: Birmingham

Post by CFS » Sun Sep 06, 2020 1:59 pm

Why be in a gay area if you have a problem with people being gay is stupid.

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Re: Birmingham

Post by tiger76 » Sun Sep 06, 2020 2:02 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Sun Sep 06, 2020 1:58 pm
This government have only had full control since last year, give them a chance :lol:
This isn't just down to the last 10 years, it goes much deeper than that, governments of various hues have kicked the can down the road on rebuilding the Victorian prison system, to make it fit for purpose in the 21st century, hence why it's now buckling under the strain, and in need of major investment.
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Re: Birmingham

Post by jrgbfc » Sun Sep 06, 2020 2:04 pm

CFS wrote:
Sun Sep 06, 2020 1:59 pm
Why be in a gay area if you have a problem with people being gay is stupid.
Think it was more rival groups of lads going at it. Just happened to be in the gay area.

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Re: Birmingham

Post by clitheroeclaret3 » Sun Sep 06, 2020 2:08 pm

tiger76 wrote:
Sun Sep 06, 2020 1:56 pm
That's very simplistic, I don't disagree with you in principle, however if you want to increase the prison population, then you have to build more capacity into the system, already our prisons are bursting at the seams, and this has led to serious disorder, and increased attacks on prison officers, who are also stretched to breaking point due to officers leaving the job, or many being off with stress and injuries.

So if the government are serious about tackling crime, then they need to put their money where their rhetoric is. Given this government's record thus far I wouldn't hold your breath on them doing that.
It might help if they were to make prisons less appealing, a hell of a lot less appealing!!
Then these sorts would be a lot more bothered about ending up there so you wouldnt need more prisons, you`d need a lot less

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Re: Birmingham

Post by CFS » Sun Sep 06, 2020 2:09 pm

Hmmmm rivals/groups/lads........ Not in the hood but in a gay bar why not.

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Re: Birmingham

Post by HahaYeah » Sun Sep 06, 2020 2:14 pm

Police said there was no evidence the stabbings were a hate crime.

He added they had received a number of descriptions of the suspect but would not releasing any details at this time.

"It does appear to be a random attack because we haven't found any links between the victims, either in their nature or in where they were socialising.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-b ... m-54045143

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Re: Birmingham

Post by TheFamilyCat » Sun Sep 06, 2020 2:19 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:
Sun Sep 06, 2020 1:54 pm
Think there's a vile undercurrent in society who want keep nutters & maniacs loose on the streets instead of locking them up, cuts are nothing to do with it we are far too soft on criminals & don't lock them up & when we do it's not for long enough.
Who and why?

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Re: Birmingham

Post by TheFamilyCat » Sun Sep 06, 2020 2:22 pm

clitheroeclaret3 wrote:
Sun Sep 06, 2020 2:08 pm
It might help if they were to make prisons less appealing, a hell of a lot less appealing!!
Then these sorts would be a lot more bothered about ending up there so you wouldnt need more prisons, you`d need a lot less
Yes, because prisons are really appealing. I'm just going through the brochures deciding which one to book into for my next staycation. So much choice. I might try Durham, it's a lovely city.
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Re: Birmingham

Post by Longsider » Sun Sep 06, 2020 2:22 pm

News coming out seems that it was one person who over a two hour period attacked 7 random people throughout the city at different places. Not terror, gang related. Just sounds like a lone nut job.

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Re: Birmingham

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sun Sep 06, 2020 2:32 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:
Sun Sep 06, 2020 2:22 pm
Yes, because prisons are really appealing. I'm just going through the brochures deciding which one to book into for my next staycation. So much choice. I might try Durham, it's a lovely city.
It ain't appealing to someone like you, but a career crinimal won't be bothered by.
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Re: Birmingham

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Re: Birmingham

Post by Steve-Harpers-perm » Sun Sep 06, 2020 2:37 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:
Sun Sep 06, 2020 2:22 pm
Yes, because prisons are really appealing. I'm just going through the brochures deciding which one to book into for my next staycation. So much choice. I might try Durham, it's a lovely city.
You are right in that it’s a lovely city although I’ve heard Strangeways now has hot tubs.

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Re: Birmingham

Post by claptrappers_union » Sun Sep 06, 2020 2:59 pm

Longsider wrote:
Sun Sep 06, 2020 2:22 pm
News coming out seems that it was one person who over a two hour period attacked 7 random people throughout the city at different places. Not terror, gang related. Just sounds like a lone nut job.
Sounds like he was white then

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Re: Birmingham

Post by bfcmik » Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:03 pm

bobinho wrote:
Sun Sep 06, 2020 1:37 pm
Cuts? How about making sure sentences reflect the crime. That’s bugger all to do with cuts.
Carry a knife = 5 years no parole.
2nd offence, 10 years. Take a couple of weeks to get it thru parliament/lords if they want it. Trouble is all the loony liberals keep shouting about the human rights of the criminal, and forget about the victims.
“I carry a knife you honour, but I’ve had a deprived upbringing, please send me on an all expenses paid team building holiday”
“No chance young man, you’re off to prison where you can sit idle in a cell and mess with the PlayStation game ‘GTA’ and learn about stealing cars and ho’s.... that’ll learn ya”.

We’ve only had this for the last ten years.... before that, we were ‘tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime’ :shock:
How much does it cost to put someone in prison? We have a country running at a serious budget deficit already, with the Brexit still to impact the public purse to any significant degree. Lots of money needs to be spent on the justice and prison systems before you even add a single extra offender to the pot. Then it is over £42,000 per annum per prisoner (Ministry of Justice, 2019 accounts) to keep them locked up. That 5 year sentence comes in somewhere above £200000 per offender - and that is after you build the cell and prison for them in the 1st place.

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Re: Birmingham

Post by Rileybobs » Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:15 pm

Boss Hogg wrote:
Sun Sep 06, 2020 11:42 am
I’ll wait and see if I’m surprised by the perpetrators of this crime. Doubt I will be.
Go on...

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Re: Birmingham

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:24 pm

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Re: Birmingham

Post by HahaYeah » Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:31 pm

The West Midlands Police and Crime Commissioner (PCC) David Jamieson said police would be working with the city council to see if there were "any further measures that need to be taken in the city centre", following the stabbings.

A rise in violence was "almost inevitable" due to the pandemic, when people were suffering "pent-up feelings" and some were unsure of their futures, the Labour PCC said.

People could be feeling a bit stabby because of the Covid according the Labour PCC idiot.

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Re: Birmingham

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:35 pm

HahaYeah wrote:
Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:31 pm
The West Midlands Police and Crime Commissioner (PCC) David Jamieson said police would be working with the city council to see if there were "any further measures that need to be taken in the city centre", following the stabbings.

A rise in violence was "almost inevitable" due to the pandemic, when people were suffering "pent-up feelings" and some were unsure of their futures, the Labour PCC said.

People could be feeling a bit stabby because of the Covid according the Labour PCC idiot.
Sounds like that idiot in London

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Re: Birmingham

Post by mdd2 » Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:36 pm

it will be blamed on cuts to something be it MH services the NHS, the probation service, childrens services ad infinitum

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Re: Birmingham

Post by Mayoclaret » Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:41 pm

The culture these days for some folk going on a night out seems to be before leaving home....check you have got door keys (tick),wallet (tick), phone (tick), money (tick), and knife (tick). What on earth is the place coming to?

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Re: Birmingham

Post by evensteadiereddie » Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:57 pm

Keep it all in perspective, kids...
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Re: Birmingham

Post by Pimlico_Claret » Sun Sep 06, 2020 6:01 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:
Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:53 pm
The clown claiming an increase in violence was "almost inevitable" due to the effects of the lockdown and ,specifically, young men having an uncertain future due to the economic effects of the virus.

What planet ?........
ONE of the biggest causes of the problems. I've numerous friends in/retired from the Police, and nearly all will say that the leadership is **** poor.

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