Craig Dawson
Craig Dawson
Surely if Tarkowski does leave then he would be the ideal short term replacement, and whilst it not being the perfect solution, it certainly brings in a good defender at Premier league level.
He's 30, very good in the air and would seem to fit into our system very easily.
He's 30, very good in the air and would seem to fit into our system very easily.
-
- Posts: 7177
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 8:33 pm
- Been Liked: 3604 times
- Has Liked: 1032 times
- Location: Chesterfield
Re: Craig Dawson
We should have signed him last summer arguably, and I think with Tarkowski almost certain to leave that this will be tied on. He is a player Dyche has tried to sign three times (I think?).
As you say, a solid performer, experienced at this level - the right sort to fill that slot in an unspectacular manner for a couple of years whilst the other centre back we sign (Worrall?) learns his trade ready to take his place. For me, get both of them in - one for the now, one for the next cycle.
As you say, a solid performer, experienced at this level - the right sort to fill that slot in an unspectacular manner for a couple of years whilst the other centre back we sign (Worrall?) learns his trade ready to take his place. For me, get both of them in - one for the now, one for the next cycle.
This user liked this post: summitclaret
-
- Posts: 67892
- Joined: Thu Dec 24, 2015 3:07 pm
- Been Liked: 32538 times
- Has Liked: 5279 times
- Location: Burnley
- Contact:
Re: Craig Dawson
2014 was when I had the first Dawson article written, then we looked likely to get him again in 2018. Not sure we'd go back.
Re: Craig Dawson
If JT does leave we may have no choice if the options are Kevin Long and some of the untried U23's. That's a big risk for this level.ClaretTony wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:15 am2014 was when I had the first Dawson article written, then we looked likely to get him again in 2018. Not sure we'd go back.
-
- Posts: 67892
- Joined: Thu Dec 24, 2015 3:07 pm
- Been Liked: 32538 times
- Has Liked: 5279 times
- Location: Burnley
- Contact:
-
- Posts: 5125
- Joined: Wed Jan 27, 2016 11:50 am
- Been Liked: 1127 times
- Has Liked: 1238 times
Re: Craig Dawson
Not seen much of Dawson but I doubt if he is much better than Kevin Long. I was impressed with Kevin when he debutised for Mee, he did well for us bar one game
Re: Craig Dawson
Apart from Worrall have we been linked to anyone else?
-
- Posts: 3233
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 9:36 am
- Been Liked: 1768 times
- Has Liked: 41 times
Re: Craig Dawson
Their respective careers to date would suggest he is much better than Kevin Long.Top Claret wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:25 amNot seen much of Dawson but I doubt if he is much better than Kevin Long. I was impressed with Kevin when he debutised for Mee, he did well for us bar one game
If we have a season with Kevin Long as one of our mainstays we are bang in trouble. He can fill here and there, he is a liability beyond that.
-
- Posts: 10168
- Joined: Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:59 pm
- Been Liked: 4188 times
- Has Liked: 57 times
Re: Craig Dawson
arise_sir_charge wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:32 amTheir respective careers to date would suggest he is much better than Kevin Long.
If we have a season with Kevin Long as one of our mainstays we are bang in trouble. He can fill here and there, he is a liability beyond that.
What has he ever done that warrants him being labelled a liability
This user liked this post: Gordaleman
-
- Posts: 3233
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 9:36 am
- Been Liked: 1768 times
- Has Liked: 41 times
Re: Craig Dawson
Check out the last game of the season. All over the place. He ball watches.claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:33 amWhat has he ever done that warrants him being labelled a liability
There is a reason why he's a bit part player and why the uber loyal Sean Dyche removes him from the team at the first opportunity.
-
- Posts: 3922
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 12:39 pm
- Been Liked: 834 times
- Has Liked: 1331 times
- Location: burnley
Re: Craig Dawson
Nothing, but more importantly what has he ever done to suggest that he is suitable as a regular starter?claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:33 amWhat has he ever done that warrants him being labelled a liability
Last edited by summitclaret on Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:38 am, edited 1 time in total.
-
- Posts: 10168
- Joined: Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:59 pm
- Been Liked: 4188 times
- Has Liked: 57 times
Re: Craig Dawson
arise_sir_charge wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:36 amCheck out the last game of the season. All over the place. He ball watches.
There is a reason why he's a bit part player and why the uber loyal Sean Dyche removes him from the team at the first opportunity.
The reason he doesn't play week in week out is he isn't as good as the 1st choice pair... shock horror
-
- Posts: 584
- Joined: Mon May 04, 2020 10:17 am
- Been Liked: 147 times
- Has Liked: 24 times
Re: Craig Dawson
Liability is maybe a tad harsh, but agree in the main.arise_sir_charge wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:32 amTheir respective careers to date would suggest he is much better than Kevin Long.
If we have a season with Kevin Long as one of our mainstays we are bang in trouble. He can fill here and there, he is a liability beyond that.
I'd be concerned if Kevin Long played the majority of games next season. Decent cover, but a PL starter? No chance.
-
- Posts: 10168
- Joined: Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:59 pm
- Been Liked: 4188 times
- Has Liked: 57 times
Re: Craig Dawson
summitclaret wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:37 amNothing, but more importantly what has he ever done to suggest that he is suitable ri olay s film season and as a regular starter?
Did this make sense when it set off ?
-
- Posts: 3922
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 12:39 pm
- Been Liked: 834 times
- Has Liked: 1331 times
- Location: burnley
Re: Craig Dawson
Yes and so the end.
-
- Posts: 10168
- Joined: Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:59 pm
- Been Liked: 4188 times
- Has Liked: 57 times
Re: Craig Dawson
decent player - got a goal in him too.
Re: Craig Dawson
And Sean told us at the time Kevin had been troubled by a back problemTop Claret wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:25 amNot seen much of Dawson but I doubt if he is much better than Kevin Long. I was impressed with Kevin when he debutised for Mee, he did well for us bar one game
-
- Posts: 6693
- Joined: Sat Jan 23, 2016 7:13 pm
- Been Liked: 1702 times
- Has Liked: 790 times
Re: Craig Dawson
Our defense has been our anchor in the last 3-4 seasons-a strong back four and two great keepers. To think KL could be one of our main CH's is frankly frightening. As has been said tremendously loyal and someone you can live with if he is playing a few games because of other injuries, but he is not savvy enough to be playing in the PL on a long term basis. He has been with us for 10 years and if he was that good someone from the Championship would have come in for him. Plus does he have the desire-he seems happy to just be in the squad
My concern now is two fold-we may lose JT, but if he is not bought by another club how motivated will he be with us
My concern now is two fold-we may lose JT, but if he is not bought by another club how motivated will he be with us
-
- Posts: 3233
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 9:36 am
- Been Liked: 1768 times
- Has Liked: 41 times
Re: Craig Dawson
He has been with us 11 years and in that time we have signed multiple centre backs all of whom have immediately jumped ahead of him.claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:38 amThe reason he doesn't play week in week out is he isn't as good as the 1st choice pair... shock horror
That tells you all you meed to know.
-
- Posts: 67892
- Joined: Thu Dec 24, 2015 3:07 pm
- Been Liked: 32538 times
- Has Liked: 5279 times
- Location: Burnley
- Contact:
Re: Craig Dawson
Far better than Long. Over 190 league appearances for West Brom and 29 last season for Watford despite an injury. Total of well over 300 league appearances in total. That would suggest he's at a level or two above Long who can do OK for a while but then costs you as he did in the last game. Too many mistakes in him I'm afraid which is why he'll never be more than cover.Top Claret wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:25 amNot seen much of Dawson but I doubt if he is much better than Kevin Long. I was impressed with Kevin when he debutised for Mee, he did well for us bar one game
-
- Posts: 10168
- Joined: Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:59 pm
- Been Liked: 4188 times
- Has Liked: 57 times
Re: Craig Dawson
warksclaret wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:44 amOur defense has been our anchor in the last 3-4 seasons-a strong back four and two great keepers. To think KL could be one of our main CH's is frankly frightening. As has been said tremendously loyal and someone you can live with if he is playing a few games because of other injuries, but he is not savvy enough to be playing in the PL on a long term basis. He has been with us for 10 years and if he was that good someone from the Championship would have come in for him. Plus does he have the desire-he seems happy to just be in the squad
My concern now is two fold-we may lose JT, but if he is not bought by another club how motivated will he be with us
So you are worried if he goes but also worried if he stays, maybe you worry too much
-
- Posts: 10168
- Joined: Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:59 pm
- Been Liked: 4188 times
- Has Liked: 57 times
Re: Craig Dawson
arise_sir_charge wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:44 amHe has been with us 11 years and in that time we have signed multiple centre backs all of whom have immediately jumped ahead of him.
That tells you all you meed to know.
Yes he is seen by Dyche as back up, not a liability as stupidly put
-
- Posts: 6904
- Joined: Mon Mar 07, 2016 5:04 pm
- Been Liked: 2758 times
- Has Liked: 4325 times
Re: Craig Dawson
If Tarkowski is going, we're possibly looking at Long plus one of Taylor or Pieters starting as Centre Backs in the first game
-
- Posts: 3233
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 9:36 am
- Been Liked: 1768 times
- Has Liked: 41 times
Re: Craig Dawson
My opinion. I think your opinion is equally as stupid. So be it.claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:45 amYes he is seen by Dyche as back up, not a liability as stupidly put
-
- Posts: 3982
- Joined: Sun Feb 16, 2020 3:04 pm
- Been Liked: 855 times
- Has Liked: 605 times
Re: Craig Dawson
I don't understand this animosity towards Long. Every time he plays, he puts a good shift in and he also poses a threat going forward. Yes, he makes mistakes, but so do Mee and Tarky. As for reading the game, maybe he'd do better if he played regularly? I certainly don't think of him as instant relegation material, and those who do are being grossly unfair.
Anyway, I think Tarky's interview was aimed more at Sarfgate than anyone else. I don't think any of the top four will come in for him, and unless he goes abroad, that's the only way he'd get Champions League football.
Anyway, I think Tarky's interview was aimed more at Sarfgate than anyone else. I don't think any of the top four will come in for him, and unless he goes abroad, that's the only way he'd get Champions League football.
-
- Posts: 10168
- Joined: Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:59 pm
- Been Liked: 4188 times
- Has Liked: 57 times
Re: Craig Dawson
My opinion that he isn't a liability is stupid ?arise_sir_charge wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:54 amMy opinion. I think your opinion is equally as stupid. So be it.
I wonder who is in a better position to judge him you or Dyche, Dyche is quite happy to have him in the squad also happy to play him.
I will back his judgement over yours I think.
Re: Craig Dawson
You forgot to add arandomclaret2 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:47 amIf Tarkowski is going, we're possibly looking at Long plus one of Taylor or Pieters starting as Centre Backs in the first game
This user liked this post: randomclaret2
-
- Posts: 3233
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 9:36 am
- Been Liked: 1768 times
- Has Liked: 41 times
Re: Craig Dawson
In my opinion, yes it is.claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:56 amMy opinion that he isn't a liability is stupid ?
I wonder who is in a better position to judge him you or Dyche, Dyche is quite happy to have him in the squad also happy to play him.
I will back his judgement over yours I think.
I also trust Dyche over you, hence why I fully expect he will do all he can to avoid having KL as first choice, like he has done for the last 7 years.
Re: Craig Dawson
Given Ben Mee's injury he's got to be a good option to strengthen our defence immediately. As has been said, provides an option at RB and can't be any more limited going forward than Lowton and Bardsley.
-
- Posts: 11530
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 12:33 pm
- Been Liked: 3189 times
- Has Liked: 1870 times
- Contact:
Re: Craig Dawson
He has been with us 11 years and in that time played under multiple manages all of whom have offered him new contracts.arise_sir_charge wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:44 amHe has been with us 11 years and in that time we have signed multiple centre backs all of whom have immediately jumped ahead of him.
That tells you all you meed to know.
That tells you all you need to know.
-
- Posts: 584
- Joined: Mon May 04, 2020 10:17 am
- Been Liked: 147 times
- Has Liked: 24 times
Re: Craig Dawson
All this talk and discussion about Kevin Long and I'd say we all think exactly the same; more than fine as cover but not good enough to be a regular starter.
This user liked this post: wilks_bfc
-
- Posts: 3982
- Joined: Sun Feb 16, 2020 3:04 pm
- Been Liked: 855 times
- Has Liked: 605 times
Re: Craig Dawson
It's not a case of because he's not first choice, he's not good enough. He's just not quite as good as what we have and have had, with Keane, Tarky and Mee. Maybe we've been spoiled in that department? Kevin Long is a very good CH. What makes you think that a replacement that we can afford, would be any better?arise_sir_charge wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 10:04 amIn my opinion, yes it is.
I also trust Dyche over you, hence why I fully expect he will do all he can to avoid having KL as first choice, like he has done for the last 7 years.
This user liked this post: wilks_bfc
-
- Posts: 11530
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 12:33 pm
- Been Liked: 3189 times
- Has Liked: 1870 times
- Contact:
Re: Craig Dawson
We have been lucky with the form & lack of injuries of our CB over the years.
Kevin Long is a "victim" of the clubs success imo.
If we were still a mid-table Championship side, Long would most probably have been one of the first choice CB
Is he good enough as a first choice premier league defender? Probably not
Is he good enough as a backup premier league defender? Yes
He may not be a regular, but he obviously has enough about him, for the mangers and the club to back him to do a job when needed, which I think he has.
Ask anybody in any woke of life to do a role that they havent for a while, and it would take them a little bit of time to get into it
-
- Posts: 14571
- Joined: Thu Feb 01, 2018 9:55 am
- Been Liked: 3437 times
- Has Liked: 6339 times
Re: Craig Dawson
He's happy filling in occasionally and getting a wage?
He's made more appearances for other clubs than he has for us during his time here.
-
- Posts: 14571
- Joined: Thu Feb 01, 2018 9:55 am
- Been Liked: 3437 times
- Has Liked: 6339 times
Re: Craig Dawson
Every other CH we've signed has been better though, that's why we keep signing other CH's to be our main option.Gordaleman wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 10:49 amIt's not a case of because he's not first choice, he's not good enough. He's just not quite as good as what we have and have had, with Keane, Tarky and Mee. Maybe we've been spoiled in that department? Kevin Long is a very good CH. What makes you think that a replacement that we can afford, would be any better?
-
- Posts: 3982
- Joined: Sun Feb 16, 2020 3:04 pm
- Been Liked: 855 times
- Has Liked: 605 times
Re: Craig Dawson
So why all the complaints from people on here if we keep getting better and better? Maybe we'll sign Van Dijk?GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 10:59 amEvery other CH we've signed has been better though, that's why we keep signing other CH's to be our main option.
-
- Posts: 4476
- Joined: Sat Aug 05, 2017 8:55 pm
- Been Liked: 1160 times
- Has Liked: 182 times
Re: Craig Dawson
With Tarky almost certain to go we need a quality “ off the peg “ prem centre half and Kevin Long really isn’t that .He’s reliable cover but with Mee possibly out for the start and no right back signed our defence is looking very shaky indeed
Re: Craig Dawson
Third time lucky maybeClaretTony wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:15 am2014 was when I had the first Dawson article written, then we looked likely to get him again in 2018. Not sure we'd go back.
-
- Posts: 14571
- Joined: Thu Feb 01, 2018 9:55 am
- Been Liked: 3437 times
- Has Liked: 6339 times
Re: Craig Dawson
You're the one who said he's very good and there's no guarantee whoever we sign will be better than him.Gordaleman wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 11:08 amSo why all the complaints from people on here if we keep getting better and better? Maybe we'll sign Van Dijk?
I'm just pointing out that the ones we've signed to date have all been better than him
-
- Posts: 14571
- Joined: Thu Feb 01, 2018 9:55 am
- Been Liked: 3437 times
- Has Liked: 6339 times
Re: Craig Dawson
We've got 2 right backs already in the squad, do we need a 3rd?AlargeClaret wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 11:08 amWith Tarky almost certain to go we need a quality “ off the peg “ prem centre half and Kevin Long really isn’t that .He’s reliable cover but with Mee possibly out for the start and no right back signed our defence is looking very shaky indeed
-
- Posts: 3982
- Joined: Sun Feb 16, 2020 3:04 pm
- Been Liked: 855 times
- Has Liked: 605 times
Re: Craig Dawson
You may well be right, but I don't think Craig Dawson would be an improvement, especially with no 'Sell on' value.GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 11:19 amYou're the one who said he's very good and there's no guarantee whoever we sign will be better than him.
I'm just pointing out that the ones we've signed to date have all been better than him
-
- Posts: 10168
- Joined: Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:59 pm
- Been Liked: 4188 times
- Has Liked: 57 times
Re: Craig Dawson
arise_sir_charge wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 10:04 amIn my opinion, yes it is.
I also trust Dyche over you, hence why I fully expect he will do all he can to avoid having KL as first choice, like he has done for the last 7 years.
You seem to be struggling so I will try again with you.
If he was a liability do you think Dyche would have him even near the squad ? I am not saying he should be starting or 1st pick just that labelling hima liability is/was stupid
-
- Posts: 14571
- Joined: Thu Feb 01, 2018 9:55 am
- Been Liked: 3437 times
- Has Liked: 6339 times
Re: Craig Dawson
Same age as Long but has been playing first team football for the majority of his career.Gordaleman wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 11:22 amYou may well be right, but I don't think Craig Dawson would be an improvement, especially with no 'Sell on' value.
I'd say he's vastly more experienced and would potentially be a suitable replacement for Tarks for a few years whilst we find the next Tarks/Keane style signing.
-
- Posts: 3982
- Joined: Sun Feb 16, 2020 3:04 pm
- Been Liked: 855 times
- Has Liked: 605 times
Re: Craig Dawson
But we don't have to pay for Long. What we should be doing is what we usually do. That's find a good young un, like we did with Mee, Keane, then Tarky and bring them on.GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 11:27 amSame age as Long but has been playing first team football for the majority of his career.
I'd say he's vastly more experienced and would potentially be a suitable replacement for Tarks for a few years whilst we find the next Tarks/Keane style signing.
Anyway, Tarky hasn't gone anywhere yet. Best not to bury people before they die eh?
Re: Craig Dawson
Dawson has been in 2 different teams relegated in the last 3 seasons, not a good recommendation!
Re: Craig Dawson
Dawson has been in 2 different teams relegated in the last 3 seasons, not a good recommendation!
Re: Craig Dawson
Almost certain to go? Really?AlargeClaret wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 11:08 amWith Tarky almost certain to go we need a quality “ off the peg “ prem centre half and Kevin Long really isn’t that .He’s reliable cover but with Mee possibly out for the start and no right back signed our defence is looking very shaky indeed
-
- Posts: 67892
- Joined: Thu Dec 24, 2015 3:07 pm
- Been Liked: 32538 times
- Has Liked: 5279 times
- Location: Burnley
- Contact:
Re: Craig Dawson
So you’ve sold Tarky and managed to lose both Bardsley & Lowton.AlargeClaret wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 11:08 amWith Tarky almost certain to go we need a quality “ off the peg “ prem centre half and Kevin Long really isn’t that .He’s reliable cover but with Mee possibly out for the start and no right back signed our defence is looking very shaky indeed
This user liked this post: Corky