• Craig Dawson

Posted: **Mon Sep 07, 2020 11:43 am**

If Tarky goes then the search goes to a first choice centre back, not a Worrall.

Tomori at Chelsea might still be on the radar?

Whoever it is will have to become a lynch pin of the side more or less straight away.

Posted: **Mon Sep 07, 2020 11:49 am**

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 07, 2020 11:43 am
If Tarky goes then the search goes to a first choice centre back, not a Worrall.

Tomori at Chelsea might still be on the radar?

Whoever it is will have to become a lynch pin of the side more or less straight away.

Yes, someone who knows how Burnley play. Someone loyal who will fit in straight away. Someone like Kevin Long?

Meanwhile, we continue to teach our under 23 stars (Like Thomas) how to progress. After all, there's no point in Academy One status if we don't use it.

Posted: **Mon Sep 07, 2020 11:51 am**

Excellent aerial threat from set pieces.
20 goals over 7 seasons averaging at just under 3 a season. Scored 8 in two back to back seasons for WBA, get him on the end of some decent corners and I'm sure he could add a few more for us.

Posted: **Mon Sep 07, 2020 12:50 pm**

CombatClaret wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 07, 2020 11:51 am
Excellent aerial threat from set pieces.
20 goals over 7 seasons averaging at just under 3 a season. Scored 8 in two back to back seasons for WBA, get him on the end of some decent corners and I'm sure he could add a few more for us.

I agree that his goal threat is a bonus, but I’d rather he was good at keeping the ball out the net too. In his case, alongside Ben Mee, I’d have no doubt that Dawson would be excellent.

Posted: **Mon Sep 07, 2020 1:11 pm**

Gordaleman wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 07, 2020 11:49 am
Yes, someone who knows how Burnley play. Someone loyal who will fit in straight away. Someone like Kevin Long?

Meanwhile, we continue to teach our under 23 stars (Like Thomas) how to progress. After all, there's no point in Academy One status if we don't use it.

It’s really annoying that people are collating Cat one = 1st team ready players

Even more so that the players we’ve had at Cat two have also just transitioned to Cat one and the new requirements and levels

It’s a journey!

Posted: **Mon Sep 07, 2020 1:27 pm**

Danieljwaterhouse wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 07, 2020 1:11 pm
It’s really annoying that people are collating Cat one = 1st team ready players

Even more so that the players we’ve had at Cat two have also just transitioned to Cat one and the new requirements and levels

It’s a journey!

I really don't think I said anything like that. If you're referring to me, try reading my second paragraph again.

Posted: **Mon Sep 07, 2020 2:21 pm**

Gordaleman wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 07, 2020 1:27 pm
I really don't think I said anything like that. If you're referring to me, try reading my second paragraph again.

And if long is on the grass, who’s sat on the Bench and away from the u-23’s

Posted: **Mon Sep 07, 2020 2:36 pm**

Danieljwaterhouse wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 07, 2020 2:21 pm
And if long is on the grass, who’s sat on the Bench and away from the u-23’s

Why don't we wait to see if Tarky leaves first? Everyone is jumping to conclusions and nothing is anywhere near confirmed. If it is, then I'm sure that Sean will sort it out and nothing you or I say will change what he does. That said, Thomas looks like a very useful bench warmer.

Posted: **Mon Sep 07, 2020 2:40 pm**

With Tarky almost certain to go we need a quality “ off the peg “ prem centre half and Kevin Long really isn’t that .He’s reliable cover but with Mee possibly out for the start and no right back signed our defence is looking very shaky indeed".

Charlie's left too.

Posted: **Mon Sep 07, 2020 2:48 pm**

I don’t think Tarks will go

Posted: **Mon Sep 07, 2020 2:52 pm**

Danieljwaterhouse wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 07, 2020 1:11 pm
It’s really annoying that people are collating Cat one = 1st team ready players

Even more so that the players we’ve had at Cat two have also just transitioned to Cat one and the new requirements and levels

It’s a journey!

I'm wondering how many of our more established U23s are up to Cat 1 standard.

Posted: **Mon Sep 07, 2020 2:58 pm**

claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 07, 2020 11:25 am
You seem to be struggling so I will try again with you.

If he was a liability do you think Dyche would have him even near the squad ? I am not saying he should be starting or 1st pick just that labelling hima liability is/was stupid

I think it’s you that is struggling. People are allowed to have different opinions to you. My opinion is that Kevin Long is a filler and no more, beyond that he is/was a liability.

You don’t have to agree with me. You think my opinion is stupid, I think that yours is stupid. We move on.

Posted: **Mon Sep 07, 2020 2:59 pm**

There is thick then there is this

Posted: **Mon Sep 07, 2020 3:03 pm**

claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 07, 2020 2:59 pm
There is thick then there is this

Yep, you’re clearly a bit thick.

Posted: **Mon Sep 07, 2020 3:06 pm**

Are people seriously saying Kevin Long is the answer? I keep having flashbacks to that 2nd goal against Brighton

Posted: **Mon Sep 07, 2020 3:07 pm**

arise_sir_charge wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 07, 2020 3:03 pm
Yep, you’re clearly a bit thick.

You are dribbling too much and not reading. We both agree that he is back up nobody is stating they want him to start week in week out, Dyche agrees he is back up. You just got a bit upset because you were being stupid for calling him a liability.

Are Tarks & Mee a liability for the Man City result ? Take your time and think a little.

Posted: **Mon Sep 07, 2020 3:08 pm**

There's a common theme that occurs on this board

Posted: **Mon Sep 07, 2020 3:09 pm**

MACCA wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 07, 2020 3:08 pm
There's a common theme that occurs on this board

Yeah I thought the kids were back in school, obviously not

Posted: **Mon Sep 07, 2020 3:14 pm**

claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 07, 2020 3:07 pm

You are dribbling too much and not reading. We both agree that he is back up nobody is stating they want him to start week in week out, Dyche agrees he is back up. You just got a bit upset because you were being stupid for calling him a liability.

Are Tarks & Mee a liability for the Man City result ? Take your time and think a little.

This is where you just don’t get it. It’s you that got upset that I used the term liability.

Stop trying to be a condescending know it all arse and accept that people can hold opinions different to yours.

By the way folk are saying he can more than fill. Try reading yourself.

Posted: **Mon Sep 07, 2020 3:14 pm**

Liability - "a person or thing whose presence or behaviour is likely to put one at a disadvantage"

Posted: **Mon Sep 07, 2020 3:15 pm**

MACCA wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 07, 2020 3:08 pm
There's a common theme that occurs on this board

I'm still convinced there's an undercurrent of flirting hidden in it all

Posted: **Mon Sep 07, 2020 3:16 pm**

MACCA wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 07, 2020 3:14 pm
Liability - "a person or thing whose presence or behaviour is likely to put one at a disadvantage"

Appears I’m right based on that description. Thanks Macca.

Posted: **Mon Sep 07, 2020 3:19 pm**

Is there any suggestion whatsoever that we are interested in Craig Dawson?

Posted: **Mon Sep 07, 2020 3:20 pm**

arise_sir_charge wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 07, 2020 3:16 pm
Appears I’m right based on that description. Thanks Macca.

But 99% of people already knew that , thankfully we can also include our manager in that 99%

Posted: **Mon Sep 07, 2020 3:27 pm**

Spijed wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:26 am
Apart from Worrall have we been linked to anyone else?

Tenuous link with Omar Colley a few weeks back.

Posted: **Mon Sep 07, 2020 3:35 pm**

MACCA wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 07, 2020 3:20 pm
But 99% of people already knew that , thankfully we can also include our manager in that 99%

Exactly! So, back to where we were at about 9am this morning

Posted: **Mon Sep 07, 2020 8:01 pm**

boatshed bill wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 07, 2020 3:19 pm
Is there any suggestion whatsoever that we are interested in Craig Dawson?

There will be after the Lancashire Evening Telegraph see this thread.

Posted: **Mon Sep 07, 2020 8:28 pm**

Gordaleman wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:56 am
I don't understand this animosity towards Long. Every time he plays, he puts a good shift in and he also poses a threat going forward. Yes, he makes mistakes, but so do Mee and Tarky. As for reading the game, maybe he'd do better if he played regularly? I certainly don't think of him as instant relegation material, and those who do are being grossly unfair.

Anyway, I think Tarky's interview was aimed more at Sarfgate than anyone else. I don't think any of the top four will come in for him, and unless he goes abroad, that's the only way he'd get Champions League football.

I don't think there is any animosity towards Kevin Long. Somr are just pointing out that hes not quite good enough to be a regular in the team.

Posted: **Mon Sep 07, 2020 8:31 pm**

Long is 30, has been with us over 10 yars, and has started how many League games ? 60 odd maybe ? Thats because he isnt good enough to start regularly.

Posted: **Mon Sep 07, 2020 8:34 pm**

What a shame claretonthecoast has decided to ruin this thread. He needs some anger management that lad.

As for Dawson, I think he still has a lot to offer and would do very well in our side. Would be nice if we could get someone younger, but the ones capable of playing week in, week out at PL level are probably out of budget. Dawson would probably be a safer option.

Posted: **Mon Sep 07, 2020 8:51 pm**

randomclaret2 wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 07, 2020 8:31 pm
Long is 30, has been with us over 10 yars, and has started how many League games ? 60 odd maybe ? Thats because he isnt good enough to start regularly.

No, it's because he's been injured a lot of that time and because we have had better CHs. Not being the best, does not mean he's no good.

Posted: **Mon Sep 07, 2020 8:54 pm**

Stayingup wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 07, 2020 8:28 pm
I don't think there is any animosity towards Kevin Long. Somr are just pointing out that hes not quite good enough to be a regular in the team.

The trouble is, people are comparing him with two of the best CHs in the PL. Not everyone can be the best, but he's still a very useful CH.

Posted: **Mon Sep 07, 2020 8:58 pm**

randomclaret2 wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 07, 2020 8:31 pm
Long is 30, has been with us over 10 yars, and has started how many League games ? 60 odd maybe ? Thats because he isnt good enough to start regularly.

I agree with your conclusion but not your methodology / logic
Gibson is an excellent centre back but couldn't get a game for us because of the consistency and reliability of Tarkowski and Mee. Long was in the same position, but as a player he's on a level below Gibson and our usual CB pairing.

Posted: **Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:05 pm**

Gordaleman wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 07, 2020 8:54 pm
The trouble is, people are comparing him with two of the best CHs in the PL. Not everyone can be the best, but he's still a very useful CH.

I can't recall if anyone has ever tried to buy him from us, although I'm sure someone could correct me if I'm wrong.
He's been out on loan a few times and has played more out on loan than for us.

Yes he's useful but lets not get excited and build him up into something he isn't.

He's never been good enough to be first choice here and he's never done enough to impress whilst playing for another club to make a serious effort to prise him away.

Posted: **Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:10 pm**

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:05 pm
I can't recall if anyone has ever tried to buy him from us, although I'm sure someone could correct me if I'm wrong.
He's been out on loan a few times and has played more out on loan than for us.

Yes he's useful but lets not get excited and build him up into something he isn't.

He's never been good enough to be first choice here and he's never done enough to impress whilst playing for another club to make a serious effort to prise him away.

I believe he was linked with a move to Notts Forest during the last window, but with Gibson throwing his toys about, there was no chance of that. Probably even less now.

Anyway, as I keep saying, Tarky hasn't gone anywhere yet and may well still be with us when the window closes.

Posted: **Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:15 pm**

Gordaleman wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 07, 2020 8:51 pm
No, it's because he's been injured a lot of that time and because we have had better CHs. Not being the best, does not mean he's no good.

I didnt say he was no good, I said he wasnt good enough to start regularly.As for him being injured a lot, is that really why he averages 6 games a season , over a decade ?

Posted: **Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:22 pm**

randomclaret2 wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:15 pm
I didnt say he was no good, I said he wasnt good enough to start regularly.As for him being injured a lot, is that really why he averages 6 games a season , over a decade ?

It certainly accounts for a lot of that time. He's been very unlucky with niggly injuries. Anyway, I repeat, he won't get picked even if he's third best in the PL, if our first two are fit.

Anyway, it's all irrelevant as Tarky hasn't gone anywhere yet and if all he's bothered about is Champions League football, he won't get that at West Ham or Leicester.

Posted: **Mon Sep 07, 2020 10:27 pm**

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 07, 2020 11:42 am
So you’ve sold Tarky and managed to lose both Bardsley & Lowton.

Not quite ! But we desperately need a quality RB , just think if we could create on the right like we can on the left . Bards is reliable but I feel Lowton falls short imo

Posted: **Wed Sep 09, 2020 1:18 pm**

Watford just signed a CH from Udinese...

Posted: **Wed Sep 09, 2020 3:16 pm**

Row Z wrote: ↑
Wed Sep 09, 2020 1:18 pm
Watford just signed a CH from Udinese...

And???

Posted: **Wed Sep 09, 2020 9:45 pm**

Firthy wrote: ↑
Wed Sep 09, 2020 3:16 pm
And???

Same reason another poster highlighted notts forest have signed a CB from PSG... teams potenially signing players in anticipation of losing other players in the same position...

Posted: **Wed Sep 09, 2020 10:04 pm**

Hasn't Dawson played RB for Watford last season?

Posted: **Wed Sep 09, 2020 10:16 pm**

If Craig Dawson is the answer, then the question is How are we so shite at transfers?

Our player acquisition machine is out of date and broken.

Posted: **Thu Sep 10, 2020 8:17 am**

I bet Watford signing a player from Udinese took some getting over the line

Posted: **Thu Sep 10, 2020 8:33 am**

Played numerous times at RB for WBA

Posted: **Thu Sep 10, 2020 8:40 am**

AlargeClaret wrote: ↑
Mon Sep 07, 2020 10:27 pm
Not quite ! But we desperately need a quality RB , just think if we could create on the right like we can on the left . Bards is reliable but I feel Lowton falls short imo

We need a quality right winger more than a right back.

Posted: **Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:27 am**

warksclaret wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 10, 2020 8:33 am
Played numerous times at RB for WBA

That was the point when Pulis was playing 4 centre halves though. I don't think he'd be anything other than the equivalent of Mee playing left back normally.

Posted: **Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:31 am**

Dawson is an ideal signing imo. Experienced cover at cb, can cover rb, happy not to play every week. Also, it would mean we could sell Lowton and get an attacking rb. What's not to like?

Posted: **Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:31 am**

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 10, 2020 8:40 am
We need a quality right winger more than a right back.

Yes you’re probs right ,though a quality bona fida wing back would likely be as effective .

Posted: **Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:47 pm**

AlargeClaret wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:31 am
Yes you’re probs right ,though a quality bona fida wing back would likely be as effective .

We can put that on next year's shopping list when Bardsley leaves.

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