Greenwood & Foden in trouble

[Spijed]

I think this shows that they are not fit to represent their country. If I was Southgate I wouldn't pick them again.

But they are arguably going to end up being world class players, and what's more important, standards? or trying to win a major tournament?

[boatshed bill]

But they are arguably going to end up being world class players, and what's more important, standards? or trying to win a major tournament?

Didn't Alf ramsey leave Jimmy Greaves out of the team during the 66 World Cup for having a beer? Discipline and respect are vital.

[basil6345789]

First and foremost so very disappointing.

[bfcjg]

Didn't know Iceland did a buy one get one free on frozen tarts.

[conyoviejo]

But they are arguably going to end up being world class players, and what's more important, standards? or trying to win a major tournament?

Standards ..Phook the major tournament.

[Spijed]

Standards ..Phook the major tournament.

Imagine if Burnley were on the verge of winning the Premier league and we dropped a couple of players for doing similar.

[BenWickes]

But they are arguably going to end up being world class players, and what's more important, standards? or trying to win a major tournament?

Standards, moral compass, respect, self-respect, morality are all far more important.

[boatshed bill]

Imagine if Burnley were on the verge of winning the Premier league and we dropped a couple of players for doing similar.

That's where strong managers earn their keep. making sure the players conform to acceptable conduct.
i'm not sure we (or England) would win anything with poorly disciplined players anyhow.

[box_of_frogs]

They are beyond that. They are irresponsible and have put lives at risk.

For who? Fit, young healthy colleagues? No! I doubt anyone in the England bubble is in anyway at risk from Covid.

However, are they a pair of idiots, yes. If they put their grandma at risk on their return then that’s their responsibility.

[Lowbankclaret]

So we are in the middle of a pandemic and the England team are given special dispensation due to testing the quarantine. Two players decide want their c0ck wants take president over all of that.
Typical footballers, should never play for a England again.

[conyoviejo]

Imagine if Burnley were on the verge of winning the Premier league and we dropped a couple of players for doing similar.

I'd imagine our players wouldn't act in that way .

[Darthlaw]

After Walkers antics earlier in the year, is it that much of a surprise that the younger players are involved in this kind of thing?

[BenWickes]

It's basically unforgivable in the current environment. They are lucky to represent their nation. They let the whole country down and frankly, regardless of talent; should NEVER play for England again. A clear message needs to be sent.

[claret2018]

Given how most of the population has long since given up on lockdown rules I’m neither surprised nor disappointed.

[boatshed bill]

After Walkers antics earlier in the year, is it that much of a surprise that the younger players are involved in this kind of thing?

If you are daft enough to use Kyle Walker as a role model you aren't going to be doing very well.

[jrgbfc]

It's basically unforgivable in the current environment. They are lucky to represent their nation. They let the whole country down and frankly, regardless of talent; should NEVER play for England again. A clear message needs to be sent.

In what way have they let the entire country down? I'm sure 90% of the country couldn't care less.

[BenWickes]

In what way have they let the entire country down? I'm sure 90% of the country couldn't care less.

If you haven't grasped the concept of what it means to a player to wear a nations shirt or you haven't grasped the concept of the fact they are representatives of their country then you have absolutely no clue!
You may not support England but even people who don't normally follow football come out and support England at major events because it does bring the country together. You clearly don't get that and therefore I have to question. Why the hell are you on this thread if you don't care less?!

[ClaretTony]

Given how most of the population has long since given up on lockdown rules I’m neither surprised nor disappointed.

Shame because it’s people who are ignoring the rules and people who are not disappointed that are keeping me locked inside my house.

[Claret Toni]

Standards, moral compass, respect, self-respect, morality are all far more important.

Could not agree more.

[JohnDearyMe]

Have these two cretins been in a coma for the last six months? Clearly not the brightest

[AlargeClaret]

Let’s face it what 18/20 yr old young lads would turn down a couple of Icelandic dolly birds back to the room. Bravo I say ! Though I appreciate many on here haven’t seen their c0cks since the Orient game

[jrgbfc]

If you haven't grasped the concept of what it means to a player to wear a nations shirt or you haven't grasped the concept of the fact they are representatives of their country then you have absolutely no clue!
You may not support England but even people who don't normally follow football come out and support England at major events because it does bring the country together. You clearly don't get that and therefore I have to question. Why the hell are you on this thread if you don't care less?!

I actually do follow England and I'm not too bothered about what they've done. A pair of young, immature lads thinking with their ***** is hardly the crime of the century is it?
Footballers on tour will have got up to far worse in the past before everyone had to film everything on a camera phone.

[Awayfromburnley]

This is a working example of the selfish attitude that is exacerbating many things, namely the pandemic currently.

So many examples in life where people just put their own needs before the greater good- not just the wider greater good, but their own long term good too!

To be honest I am sick of it. Entitlement and carefree, yes maybe the virtue of being young, but it's a genuine scourge on society.

[Spijed]

I actually do follow England and I'm not too bothered about what they've done. A pair of young, immature lads thinking with their ***** is hardly the crime of the century is it?
Footballers on tour will have got up to far worse in the past before everyone had to film everything on a camera phone.

The infamous dentists chair with Gazza, Sheringham and the others.

They did far worse as they were heavily drinking the night before games!

[jrgbfc]

The infamous dentists chair with Gazza, Sheringham and the others.

They did far worse as they were heavily drinking the night before games!

They'll be plenty more things that never came out. I saw a quote from an unnamed England cricketer that said if camera phones were around back then they'd have been no one left by the end of some of their tours to Australia.

[basil6345789]

Could be a turning point in Foden's life - go back to his bird, change his glue-sniffer hair cut and get a transfer to Bolton.

[LeadBelly]

Not much of a crime in the scheme of things but very stupid in the context of being on International duty and in the "bubble".

It does add credence to the view that top footballers believe themselves to be above the rules that govern normal behaviour. Still- they're young and can hopefully knuckle down now and get back on the straight & narrow.

[Rowls]

Didn't Alf ramsey leave Jimmy Greaves out of the team during the 66 World Cup for having a beer? Discipline and respect are vital.

No, he was injured. Geoff Hurst replaced him and kept his spot.

[boatshed bill]

No, he was injured. Geoff Hurst replaced him and kept his spot.

Not what I have been told, but obviously only hearsay.

I'm amazed that some posters can't see how serious the actions of Foden and Greenwood are in these very difficult times.

Some decent people have been stuck in their homes, unable to work, and we hear of this flagrant flaunting of anti-covid measures.
These people are clearly too thick to understand that they are sporting ambassadors for our country.
Thick as sh!t.

[dsr]

The point isn't that they've been consorting with a pair of prostitutes or similar. The point is that they have been told repeatedly that the game of football depends on the players behaving themselves and not spreading the virus and so they need to follow the rules or it could be very bad news for themselves and their colleagues.

And knowing that, they still had the vast arrogance and tiny tiny brains that led them to do it anyway.

[Rowls]

Not what I have been told, but obviously only hearsay.

I'm amazed that some posters can't see how serious the actions of Foden and Greenwood are in these very difficult times.

It's well documented that Greaves was injured and Hurst kept his place.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Gre ... nal_career

Yes, what they did is "serious" considering the situation but please consider how young they are and what it is that has tempted them. They're people and we aren't built to be contained in "bubbles" or by hotel rooms.

It's a mistake all the same but one so predictable and understandable I can't find it in myself to be at all outraged. Issue their punishment and let's get on with our lives.

[basil6345789]

Just been on late BBC News - the 2 were "asked" to leave training, not "told", ffs!
Or is it the BBC trying not to upset anyone?

[mkmel]

I think that Jimmy Greaves had shin splints so his place was taken by Geoff Hurst.

Doubt it was anything to do with him having a beer as in those days many footballers would have a beer or six

[ksrclaret]

The point isn't that they've been consorting with a pair of prostitutes or similar. The point is that they have been told repeatedly that the game of football depends on the players behaving themselves and not spreading the virus and so they need to follow the rules or it could be very bad news for themselves and their colleagues.

And knowing that, they still had the vast arrogance and tiny tiny brains that led them to do it anyway.

I wonder what it says about someone when, upon hearing a young woman has returned to a young man’s hotel room, their assumption is that the young woman must be a “prostitute or similar”.

[Targetman]

Didn't Alf ramsey leave Jimmy Greaves out of the team during the 66 World Cup for having a beer? Discipline and respect are vital.

No he didnt leave him out of the team for having a beer, he was injured.

Why do some people like to write things on this forum which have no substance at all?

[dandeclaret]

So we are in the middle of a pandemic and the England team are given special dispensation due to testing the quarantine. Two players decide want their c0ck wants take president over all of that.
Typical footballers, should never play for a England again.

Writing careers off for a mistake made before you turn 21 seems a bit harsh. There wouldn’t be many in here in the jobs they are in now if the same rules were applied.

They’ve made a mistake, done wrong, and will be punished. No need for all the ensuing drama.

[Burnley1989]

Writing careers off for a mistake made before you turn 21 seems a bit harsh. There wouldn’t be many in here in the jobs they are in now if the same rules were applied.

They’ve made a mistake, done wrong, and will be punished. No need for all the ensuing drama.

It will be the same type that wanted Gibson to ‘Rot’ in the reserves for daring to fall out with Dyche. It happens, in 12 months time it will all be almost forgotten.

[boatshed bill]

Writing careers off for a mistake made before you turn 21 seems a bit harsh. There wouldn’t be many in here in the jobs they are in now if the same rules were applied.

They’ve made a mistake, done wrong, and will be punished. No need for all the ensuing drama.

Their careers won't be written off whether they play for England again or not. Millionaires already? Do they care about England?

[pureclaret]

''imagine Burnley on the verge of wining the premier league title'' I do I do every day I do .
But I am sure if we had 2 stars do this Sean would drop them, Unfortunately that would not be enough for the big 6 and we would be not allowed to fulfill our fixtures and be docked 12 pts and that's not my imagination that's ''no one like us, no one likes we are Burnley from the north!

[dandeclaret]

Their careers won't be written off whether they play for England again or not. Millionaires already? Do they care about England?

Yes.

[Billy Balfour]

However, are they a pair of idiots, yes. If they put their grandma at risk on their return then that’s their responsibility.

One of the most ill-informed comments I've read on here in a long while. Do you know what a pandemic is? It doesn't just stop at 'their grandma'. If it did we wouldn't be in the grips of a pandemic. It's their team mates 'grandma' and the England staff 'grandma' and ultimately yours and mine too. Good grief, I can't believe I'm actually having to type this out for you.

[AlargeClaret]

Some of the holier than thou posts on here are pure nausea . There was no murder/rape / riot or violence ,no drugs no alcohol and no prostitutes ala YaYa . 2 young players tried to get a couple of hotties back , who in their right mind would have passed that up!
You can’t expect 2 x thick as mince young lads to think about Covid when such temptation is there

[boatshed bill]

Yes.

What make's you think they care about England?

[Top Claret]

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If certain players keep braking rules and the manager doesn't act on this then the moral of the group collapses. The reason Burnley have been so successful over the last 5 years is because we have an extremely disciplined group

Greenwood and Foden should be made an example of and have their international careers put on hold for the next couple of years.
I don't care how good the pair of them are, their attitude is going to rub off on the rest of the squad and cause divisions, that will have along term effect on the team spirit if not nipped in the bud and effect the teams results

[bobinho]

Some of the holier than thou posts on here are pure nausea . There was no murder/rape / riot or violence ,no drugs no alcohol and no prostitutes ala YaYa . 2 young players tried to get a couple of hotties back , who in their right mind would have passed that up!
You can’t expect 2 x thick as mince young lads to think about Covid when such temptation is there

I hear that, but these aren’t 2x run of the mill young lads out for a pint and up for a bit of rumpy pumpy.
They are supposed to be in a bubble. They have been given special dispensation for that so they can do what we’d all love to be doing. The small price they have to pay for doing what we’d all love to do is respect the rules, respect the rest of the team and respect the fact they have to be setting the example REGARDLESS of how young they are and how hard their dicks are.

They have behaved like the rest of the country and decided that stopping in and following a few rules doesn’t mean them. They are too important. It’s too hard, it’s too difficult they miss living their privileged life.

They are a pair of selfish pricks. I’m playing the game, I expect everyone else to play the game. Especially those who have had the rules modified so they can do the things they love.

There will be an apology coming. It will mean ****. Written by someone else and full of cliches and the media will lap it up. When they say they are sorry, they will mean they are sorry they got rumbled.

[AlargeClaret]

I hear that, but these aren’t 2x run of the mill young lads out for a pint and up for a bit of rumpy pumpy.
They are supposed to be in a bubble. They have been given special dispensation for that so they can do what we’d all love to be doing. The small price they have to pay for doing what we’d all love to do is respect the rules, respect the rest of the team and respect the fact they have to be setting the example REGARDLESS of how young they are and how hard their dicks are.

They have behaved like the rest of the country and decided that stopping in and following a few rules doesn’t mean them. They are too important. It’s too hard, it’s too difficult they miss living their privileged life.

They are a pair of selfish pricks. I’m playing the game, I expect everyone else to play the game. Especially those who have had the rules modified so they can do the things they love.

There will be an apology coming. It will mean ****. Written by someone else and full of cliches and the media will lap it up. When they say they are sorry, they will mean they are sorry they got rumbled.

Can’t really argue with you there mate . They just didn’t think twice ,though in their defence and the latest Covid cases it doesn’t look like their age demographic gives a sh1t. Of course they should have known better given their status , but neither is it stubbing our a cigar in a teamates eye .

[dsr]

I wonder what it says about someone when, upon hearing a young woman has returned to a young man’s hotel room, their assumption is that the young woman must be a “prostitute or similar”.

I don't think they were going for a cup of tea!

[boatshed bill]

I don't think they were going for a cup of tea!

Opportunists. They could get a decent bit of money out of this

[tiger76]

Southgate needs to get some discipline into this England squad, we're very fortunate that we don't have to rapidly call up a makeshift squad, as the Czech Republic were forced to for their match against Scotland last night, yes I get these are young lads, but they are also being handsomely rewarded for their talent, if they can't even stick to a bubble for 7-10 days, it doesn't say a lot about their temperament.

I had my 1st shift back at work yesterday, face coverings and social distancing, plus plenty of other hygiene measures were in place, to ensure our safety and the safety of the public, is it particularly pleasant, no not really, but it's for the sake of the vulnerable, and in the great scheme of things it's not a huge sacrifice, these players are being granted special status due to their apparent importance, and they're also representing the country, if they can't keep their urges at bay for even a few days, then clearly they don't value their England careers highly enough.

I wouldn't drop them from the England set-up completely, but some time in the u21's might not be a bad idea, just to get the message through to them that if they want to have a long and successful international career, they'll have to learn to knuckle down.

[ksrclaret]

I don't think they were going for a cup of tea!

No, but not everyone needs to pay for it.