Gordaleman did not say Ben was fit. Gordaleman simply reported what Sean said two or three weeks ago, and that was that he was expected to be fit for the first PL game.arise_sir_charge wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 11:59 amBut, but Gordaleman was adamant yesterday that Mee was fit.
I guess I can't be too far wrong. Ismaila Diallo has been announced as joining our U23 squad - following in Josh Benson's footsteps.Paul Waine wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 12:32 pmIt could also mean that things are "ok." If your glass is always half empty, I can understand people looking for the negatives. However, if your glass is half full then "I am the only one who knows things going on...." can mean that our transfer activities are private and will remain private until we've got something to announce."
I like the statement about financial strength and not needing to sell. It's not that many seasons back that we needed to sell.
Let's see what happens.
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We won’t get relegated after the first couple of games of the season.FCBurnley wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 1:40 pmOur success last season was built around Tarks and Ben Mee. It is possible we will play our first game without either. At best it will be Tarks and I assume Kevin Long who has always done ok when needed. The clock is ticking. 3/1 odds for relegation is beginning to look a good price.
This is what I cannot understand with our recruitment, surely any players are better than no players.randomclaret2 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 10:46 am14 senior outfield players available ( including Tarkowski ) a matter of days before the Premier League season starts. Numbers cant have been so low since Steve Cotterill's first season.
Most other clubs don't have a depleted squad after having let several senior players leave. This isn't about 'oh Burnley don't sign anyone' its we have no choice but to sign and sign asap because this waiting to get lucky at the end of the window won't work for 5+ signings that we need.Gordaleman wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 1:48 pmI just don't understand all this panic about the lack of signings. Yes, it would be nice to have some new players in early to give them time to integrate with the existing ones, but we all know, that Burnley rarely do that. Neither do most other clubs and there is always a flurry of activity in the last two or three days.
For goodness sake, there are four weeks left yet before the window closes. Stop knocking the board when they are probably working as hard as they can to achieve what we all want.
The only senior player to have left that was worth keeping was Hendrick, the rest just reduced the wage bill, so that blows your argument out of the water. Rest assured, we will be signing players in the next four weeks and everyone will wonder what all the fuss was about.CFS wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 1:59 pmMost other clubs don't have a depleted squad after having let several senior players leave. This isn't about 'oh Burnley don't sign anyone' its we have no choice but to sign and sign asap because this waiting to get lucky at the end of the window won't work for 5+ signings that we need.
We have only lost one first team regular, that being Jeff Hendrick, but we've also lost another member of the squad in Aaron Lennon. On top of that we are going into a new season without Ben Mee, Jack Cork and Ashley Barnes.
I have read it back and I stand by my original comment, you were challenged as nobody else had heard it said but you stood by the fact Ben would be fit for the start of the season.Gordaleman wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 1:35 pmGordaleman did not say Ben was fit. Gordaleman simply reported what Sean said two or three weeks ago, and that was that he was expected to be fit for the first PL game.
Got to admit, it's now looking unlikely.
Please don't misquote me.
Given what's been said today, I don't think Ben Mee has any real chance of being fit to play at Leicester a week on Saturday. He's still got a problem, therefore not trained, and hasn't played since June. I know we have a good medical team but they are not miracle workers.arise_sir_charge wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:13 pmI have read it back and I stand by my original comment, you were challenged as nobody else had heard it said but you stood by the fact Ben would be fit for the start of the season.
Anyway, you have still not explained why you choose to type Sarfgate as opposed to Southgate?
I suggest that you read it again then. At no stage did I say Ben Mee was fit. What I said was that Sean said he WOULD be fit by the first PL game, which he did. So if anyone was wrong, it was Sean, not me.arise_sir_charge wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:13 pmI have read it back and I stand by my original comment, you were challenged as nobody else had heard it said but you stood by the fact Ben would be fit for the start of the season.
Anyway, you have still not explained why you choose to type Sarfgate as opposed to Southgate?
Looks alright to me, not too far removed from the squad that finished the season with two defeats in the last nine games.ClaretTony wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:09 pmWe have only lost one first team regular, that being Jeff Hendrick, but we've also lost another member of the squad in Aaron Lennon. On top of that we are going into a new season without Ben Mee, Jack Cork and Ashley Barnes.
I was going through this morning at what our team is likely to be for the Leicester game. We all make our own choices as to who plays and who doesn't but look at the options on the bench. I hope I haven't missed anyone.
Nick Pope, Phil Bardsley, Kevin Long, James Tarkowski, Charlie Taylor, Jόhann Berg Guðmundsson, Josh Brownhill, Ashley Westwood, Dwight McNeil, Jay Rodriguez, Chris Wood.
Subs: Bailey Peacock-Farrell, Matt Lowton, Erik Pieters, Robbie Brady, Matěj Vydra plus two more, presumably Jimmy Dunne and Josh Benson.
There was only Gordaleman who thought he would be to be fair.ClaretTony wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:14 pmGiven what's been said today, I don't think Ben Mee has any real chance of being fit to play at Leicester a week on Saturday. He's still got a problem, therefore not trained, and hasn't played since June. I know we have a good medical team but they are not miracle workers.
Looks ok but shows a worrying lack of depth when we have to fill two spaces on the bench.
There’s not a lot of depth there is there. But we didn’t have a lot of depth to our squad following the restart and we finished the season strongly.ClaretTony wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:09 pmWe have only lost one first team regular, that being Jeff Hendrick, but we've also lost another member of the squad in Aaron Lennon. On top of that we are going into a new season without Ben Mee, Jack Cork and Ashley Barnes.
I was going through this morning at what our team is likely to be for the Leicester game. We all make our own choices as to who plays and who doesn't but look at the options on the bench. I hope I haven't missed anyone.
Nick Pope, Phil Bardsley, Kevin Long, James Tarkowski, Charlie Taylor, Jόhann Berg Guðmundsson, Josh Brownhill, Ashley Westwood, Dwight McNeil, Jay Rodriguez, Chris Wood.
Subs: Bailey Peacock-Farrell, Matt Lowton, Erik Pieters, Robbie Brady, Matěj Vydra plus two more, presumably Jimmy Dunne and Josh Benson.
Nobody else has heard him say it though.Gordaleman wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:18 pmI suggest that you read it again then. At no stage did I say Ben Mee was fit. What I said was that Sean said he WOULD be fit by the first PL game, which he did. So if anyone was wrong, it was Sean, not me.
As for your other point, it's poinless explaining as all you will do is argue about it.
If you think we need 5+ signings then you’re going to be mightily disappointing. Do you think we can afford to carry a squad with 5 more senior players?CFS wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 1:59 pmMost other clubs don't have a depleted squad after having let several senior players leave. This isn't about 'oh Burnley don't sign anyone' its we have no choice but to sign and sign asap because this waiting to get lucky at the end of the window won't work for 5+ signings that we need.
It isn't but at the end of last season we'd already, in effect, achieved our goal and weren't playing under any pressure. It's worrying I think to be starting a season so depleted.
No apology for misquoting me then, or accepting the fact that I read an article saying Ben would be fit?arise_sir_charge wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:21 pmNobody else has heard him say it though.
Please enlighten me on the Sarfgate thing, I am genuinely interested as to why you do it.
Dyche said ahead of last weekend's games that he was still having a problem, today the club have reported: "skipper Ben Mee is still to resume full training." That doesn't suggest to me he'll be ready to play a week on Saturday.Gordaleman wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:25 pmCaptain Ben Mee is also hoping to be ready for the big kick off with the 30-year-old on the road to recovery from a thigh problem which sidelined him late last season.
I know that Tony. I'm talking about what I read earlier last week and the reason I expected him to be fit.ClaretTony wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:40 pmDyche said ahead of last weekend's games that he was still having a problem, today the club have reported: "skipper Ben Mee is still to resume full training." That doesn't suggest to me he'll be ready to play a week on Saturday.
From what I'm told I don't think it's ever been likely. Injured in training ahead of the Sheffield United home game and hasn't been back on the grass since. It would be a miracle if we was fit for next week. Can't believe anyone ever suggested he was likely to be.Gordaleman wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:44 pmI know that Tony. I'm talking about what I read earlier last week and the reason I expected him to be fit.
Obviously it doesn't look very likely now.
Well I presume that you've seen the link I just posted.ClaretTony wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:47 pmFrom what I'm told I don't think it's ever been likely. Injured in training ahead of the Sheffield United home game and hasn't been back on the grass since. It would be a miracle if we was fit for next week. Can't believe anyone ever suggested he was likely to be.
Only back yesterday, first day's full training since January.Gordaleman wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 3:00 pmWell here's a massive boost to the squad. Barny back in full training.
https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/s ... ck-injury/
You have been probing since yesterday afternoon. I dont think he wants to divulgearise_sir_charge wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 3:00 pmNot sure I need to apologise but thank you for posting the link.
Now of much more importance is the Sarfgate thing.
He doesn't deserve to know, if he can't apologise when he's proved wrong.Local cricketer wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 3:08 pmYou have been probing since yesterday afternoon. I dont think he wants to divulge
Noel Gallagher wrote a line saying 'Please don't put your life in the hands of a rock 'n' roll band, they'll throw it all away.'Gordaleman wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:25 pmLancs Live thought Ben Mee would be fit. Maybe that's where I got the story from, though I'm sure it was something Sean said.
https://www.footballtransfertavern.com/ ... ry-update/
Tarkowski played 90 minutes against Tranmere last weekend and is expected to recover from his problem to feature in the Premier League opener at Leicester City on September 19.
Indeed the centre back is likely to be fit before then and play some part in the forthcoming friendly matches with Burnley set to play another behind closed doors game at Barnfield on Saturday, while the club are hoping to arrange a fixture for September 12.
Captain Ben Mee is also hoping to be ready for the big kick off with the 30-year-old on the road to recovery from a thigh problem which sidelined him late last season.
Whatever. Let's just hope it means that Ben isn't too far away, even if he doesn't make the first couple of games.Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 3:26 pmNoel Gallagher wrote a line saying 'Please don't put your life in the hands of a rock 'n' roll band, they'll throw it all away.'
The same advice could be used for listening to Dyche on injuries.
Struggled at Fulham and has now dropped down a division on loan at Bristol City. Couldn't get into the Fulham side much last season.
You might as well put a decent wedge down then. Like £500 if you can.Local cricketer wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 11:10 amI've just taken the 3-1 about us been relegated. Printing money
I noticed on the prediction thread several tipped us to drop, for what it's worth I don't think we will, but we are making things unnecessarily difficult for ourselves if we don't bring in at least 3 new additions, and that would be the bare minimum we require, and this doesn't factor in any possible injuries/suspensions throughout the season.
There's no point in bringing 'Numbers' into the club if they are no better than those that have left. What we need is quality. Sean alluded to this in a recent interview, so perhaps we might surprise a couple of people on these boards?tiger76 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 3:37 pmI noticed on the prediction thread several tipped us to drop, for what it's worth I don't think we will, but we are making things unnecessarily difficult for ourselves if we don't bring in at least 3 new additions, and that would be the bare minimum we require, and this doesn't factor in any possible injuries/suspensions throughout the season.
First XI actually looks pretty decent if Tarks sticks around, but we have limited options from the bench to change a game, as it stands there's really only Brady and Vydra as attacking options if we're chasing a game, mind you we don't generally make wholesale changes anyway, so you could argue any new signings might struggle to force their way into contention, I guess it depends who the new signings are, I've no doubt there will be some incomings, but we might have to wait right until deadline day to get our business done.
I'll just be glad when we're playing matches again, as soon as we're putting points on the board the nerves will start easing from me.
I used my 5 pound free bet on sky bet #gambleresponsibly FrankFactualFrank wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 3:37 pmYou might as well put a decent wedge down then. Like £500 if you can.
ClaretTony wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:09 pmWe have only lost one first team regular, that being Jeff Hendrick, but we've also lost another member of the squad in Aaron Lennon. On top of that we are going into a new season without Ben Mee, Jack Cork and Ashley Barnes.
I was going through this morning at what our team is likely to be for the Leicester game. We all make our own choices as to who plays and who doesn't but look at the options on the bench. I hope I haven't missed anyone.
Nick Pope, Phil Bardsley, Kevin Long, James Tarkowski, Charlie Taylor, Jόhann Berg Guðmundsson, Josh Brownhill, Ashley Westwood, Dwight McNeil, Jay Rodriguez, Chris Wood.
Subs: Bailey Peacock-Farrell, Matt Lowton, Erik Pieters, Robbie Brady, Matěj Vydra plus two more, presumably Jimmy Dunne and Josh Benson.
I wouldn't have botheredLocal cricketer wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 3:48 pmI used my 5 pound free bet on sky bet #gambleresponsibly Frank
It's great news that Ash is now fit, but I wouldn't expect him to feature in the first team for a few weeks, I guess he'll be given some u23 action first to get him fully up to speed, he might have to fight to regain his place now anyway, as Jay has overtaken him in the pecking order.Gordaleman wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 3:44 pmThere's no point in bringing 'Numbers' into the club if they are no better than those that have left. What we need is quality. Sean alluded to this in a recent interview, so perhaps we might surprise a couple of people on these boards?
Oh, and you missed Barny off the striker list who's now fully fit. https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/s ... ck-injury/
"So if it isn't broke don't fix it seems to be the motto." I keep trying to say exactly that but the 'Instant success' crowd on here just won't have it.tiger76 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 4:01 pmIt's great news that Ash is now fit, but I wouldn't expect him to feature in the first team for a few weeks, I guess he'll be given some u23 action first to get him fully up to speed, he might have to fight to regain his place now anyway, as Jay has overtaken him in the pecking order.
If we only sign 2 newbies this window, as long as they're quality additions I can live with that, Sean generally works better with a smaller more tight-knit squad anyway, and the last thing we need is a repeat of the Drinkwater/Gibson situation, where neither made a fist of nailing down a regular slot in the starting XI, and eventually just became more trouble than they were worth.
It's always going to be tough to find better options than we currently have, we finished 10th for a reason last season, and that's because we have decent players at this level, and this is one of the reasons players struggle to dislodge our regulars, Brownhill only got his shot due to injuries, ditto Jay Rod & McNeil, rightly or wrongly SD keeps faith with the core of his squad, and it's hard too argue with this strategy given our success in recent years. This continuity has generally served us well, more often than not. so if it isn't broke don't fix it seems to be the motto.