But we're all still going to the pubs and what not right?

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus- ... y-12066910

What with Gareth in charge of the national side and Boris in charge of the nation, it’s not a good time to be English, is it?

Before this thread inevitably turns political, I just want to ask how much longer the government or the world expect people to go on like this with no end seemingly in sight? I have been hugely supportive of the rules and been critical of those who arnt following rules and putting other lives at risk but there has to come a point surely where we think how much longer is this going to go on for? It's demoralising and while my sole priority is protecting our societies most vulnerable by complying with regulations I just feel that we aren't getting anywhere and won't be anytime soon which is depressing.

gandhisflipflop wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 08, 2020 10:33 pm

Before this thread inevitably turns political, I just want to ask how much longer the government or the world expect people to go on like this with no end seemingly in sight? I have been hugely supportive of the rules and been critical of those who arnt following rules and putting other lives at risk but there has to come a point surely where we think how much longer is this going to go on for? It's demoralising and while my sole priority is protecting our societies most vulnerable by complying with regulations I just feel that we aren't getting anywhere and won't be anytime soon which is depressing.

The Reality is nobody knows wtf is going on.

Presumably when they find an effective vaccine it will be OK but if they can't we'll have to go for herd immunity which I suspect we have been heading for anyway.

kritichris wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 08, 2020 10:37 pm

Presumably when they find an effective vaccine it will be OK but if they can't we'll have to go for herd immunity which I suspect we have been heading for anyway.

But then we have the anti vaccine idiots that think it will kill them. Therefore it won't go away. One thing is for sure, this virus has shown just what a selfish section of society we really have currently who are all to happy to share caring look at me memes on social media, but when to care about others had to be put into practice these last six months, have failed miserably.

Concern now about younger age groups. Students going back to uni from all over the place probably not the best idea.

It needed some action and a simple message. Many people are completely disregarding social distancing and particularly in shops. A mask doesn’t mean you should ignore distancing. People need to learn how long a metre and 2 metres are.

Plenty of time for a u-turn on this.

Boss Hogg wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 08, 2020 10:41 pm

It needed some action and a simple message. Many people are completely disregarding social distancing and particularly in shops. A mask doesn’t mean you should ignore distancing. People need to learn how long a metre and 2 metres are.

They know, but they just don't care which is the problem and it's infuriating.

It genuinely concerns me how many people will be unemployed in the coming months. how will our economy recover?

But at least we can go to the office.

gandhisflipflop wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 08, 2020 10:33 pm

Before this thread inevitably turns political, I just want to ask how much longer the government or the world expect people to go on like this with no end seemingly in sight? I have been hugely supportive of the rules and been critical of those who arnt following rules and putting other lives at risk but there has to come a point surely where we think how much longer is this going to go on for? It's demoralising and while my sole priority is protecting our societies most vulnerable by complying with regulations I just feel that we aren't getting anywhere and won't be anytime soon which is depressing.

Not one for using WW2 analogies, but it's the best I can do at this time of night. For 6 years the country and most of Europe was turned in its head. Nothing was normal. It was bad. Very bad.

For 6 months we have had some inconveniences, and if you are really unfortunate you or relatives have been affected. It's been unpleasant.

There are terrible impacts on physical and mental health and the economy. That's very bad.

But.... It will pass, things will settle and go back to normal, but not for quite a while, sorry to say.

It absolutely needs people to abide by some rules and for leadership to make those rules clear and simple. The latter sentence is not happening and until it does then all this won't end.

Stop people you know from being selfish, ask them to social distance, wear a mask etc. If they argue or fall out with you then sod them, their loss. Time for a true society to come together as one, as a neighbours, friends and families and work together to stop this horrible disease.

Sadly the old will die and the young won't so why should the young care? it's like a mass euthanasia program.

Awayfromburnley wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 08, 2020 11:23 pm

Not one for using WW2 analogies, but it's the best I can do at this time of night. For 6 years the country and most of Europe was turned in its head. Nothing was normal. It was bad. Very bad.

For 6 months we have had some inconveniences, and if you are really unfortunate you or relatives have been affected. It's been unpleasant.

There are terrible impacts on physical and mental health and the economy. That's very bad.

But.... It will pass, things will settle and go back to normal, but not for quite a while, sorry to say.

It absolutely needs people to abide by some rules and for leadership to make those rules clear and simple. The latter sentence is not happening and until it does then all this won't end.

Stop people you know from being selfish, ask them to social distance, wear a mask etc. If they argue or fall out with you then sod them, their loss. Time for a true society to come together as one, as a neighbours, friends and families and work together to stop this horrible disease.

That's fair enough, but in WW2 from what I gather we had a society pulling in the same direction to fight for a common goal. Today we have a society who evidently couldn't give two shits until it affects them and that's what is depressing. I think there's a big difference. I agree with your sentiments though.

Anyone not too keen on being locked down again there's a big weekender party kicking off next Friday and apparently the govt have given it the green light

Info at this link https://www.english-heritage.org.uk/vis ... rd-castle/

See how this goes for me. The recent one was nonsense, can’t meet anyone outside my household? Nonsense. But I was fine to work in hospitality with 1000’s of customers and staff around the place.

the science was right, we could have contained this virus effectively, but the vapid public continually ignore the advice and do whatever they please. its genuinely put me right off British people. by and large they are thick and uncaring.

Awayfromburnley wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 08, 2020 11:23 pm

Not one for using WW2 analogies, but it's the best I can do at this time of night. For 6 years the country and most of Europe was turned in its head. Nothing was normal. It was bad. Very bad.

For 6 months we have had some inconveniences, and if you are really unfortunate you or relatives have been affected. It's been unpleasant.

There are terrible impacts on physical and mental health and the economy. That's very bad.

But.... It will pass, things will settle and go back to normal, but not for quite a while, sorry to say.

It absolutely needs people to abide by some rules and for leadership to make those rules clear and simple. The latter sentence is not happening and until it does then all this won't end.

Stop people you know from being selfish, ask them to social distance, wear a mask etc. If they argue or fall out with you then sod them, their loss. Time for a true society to come together as one, as a neighbours, friends and families and work together to stop this horrible disease.

But this is really nothing like WW2. Obviously war is horrible and the tragedy of death and suffering is inevitable along with rationing etc., but pretty much everything went on as usual, in fact between 1939 and 45 people were busier and more active than ever.
People went to work as normal, (often did overtime), they socialised together, children went to school as normal, they played team sports, they watched football etc., they went to scouts, cubs, swimming clubs, etc., they went to choirs and music clubs, they went to the library. They could unwind in the pubs with no social distancing. Young people partied, young people danced, young people sh**ed, etc. All these things were good for morale, in fact morale was generally good.
This is much different in the inevitable impact it's having on people's well-being and mental health.

gandhisflipflop wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 08, 2020 10:40 pm

But then we have the anti vaccine idiots that think it will kill them. Therefore it won't go away.

Not really sure why that would be the case. If -say- 90% get vaccinated they should be safe, and the other 10% (who don't) will either die or catch it, survive and get herd immunity.
(This wouldn't necessarily mean that it had gone away though, it's just that in most cases we'd be immune for a period.)

This is from May 11th

https://news.sky.com/video/coronavirus- ... h-11986523

Nothing's changed.

Just added a wig.

kritichris wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 08, 2020 11:31 pm

Sadly the old will die and the young won't so why should the young care? it's like a mass euthanasia program.

And the old and vulnerable who get ill will stretch the NHS and ICUs to breaking point if not managed. My son's double transplant is still on hold because of the first wave. So if it's not managed and people dont listen it's not just the old who die, lots of indirect deaths will result.

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 08, 2020 10:52 pm

Plenty of time for a u-turn on this.

Tell this to the dead

nil_desperandum wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 09, 2020 12:11 am

Not really sure why that would be the case. If -say- 90% get vaccinated they should be safe, and the other 10% (who don't) will either die or catch it, survive and get herd immunity.
(This wouldn't necessarily mean that it had gone away though, it's just that in most cases we'd be immune for a period.)

That's a good point that never thought of it like that.

Young people have already given up their education, their jobs, their training, and their social life for 6 months, for a disease that doesn't affect them. Very many of them have been left without jobs and without on-the-job training and experience and have the promise that they will eventually have to pay the bills for this lot. And what thanks do they get?

It's little wonder if some of them are thinking the game's not worth the candle.

This reflects the 1918/19 pandemic when, initially in March, older people were affected. It was in the second wave, about now, that it affected healthy young people predominantly. They died in droves. Hopefully this won’t happen but perhaps they could have been a little more careful and not so frivolous about it.

The second wave of 1918 killed a lot of healthy young people in 1918/9. Early in 1919 there was a third low key wave and, by August, it was all over. It disappeared. Let’s just hope that history repeats itself with, hopefully, the second wave not being as bad as its predecessor.

dermotdermot wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 09, 2020 3:35 am

This reflects the 1918/19 pandemic when, initially in March, older people were affected. It was in the second wave, about now, that it affected healthy young people predominantly. They died in droves. Hopefully this won’t happen but perhaps they could have been a little more careful and not so frivolous about it.

The second wave of 1918 killed a lot of healthy young people in 1918/9. Early in 1919 there was a third low key wave and, by August, it was all over. It disappeared. Let’s just hope that history repeats itself with, hopefully, the second wave not being as bad as its predecessor.

One of the main differences being the Spanish flu had a death rate of almost 3% whereas COVID-19 looks to be around 0.2%.

The experts always said they’d be a second wave in the colder months.

But I’m beginning to see a narrative that young people (people who are going out - and eating out to help out) are the ones being blamed for the rise in cases, young people (whatever that means) are the ones working, while old people are told to shield.

So the stats will be correct, the government know exactly what they are doing - and it’s to send out mixed messages so society blames each other.

People are returning to work in London .The M4 towards Town was chocka yesterday
I think people are very nervous about using public transport but our students come to Kew by bus and by train .
We have increased infections around Hounslow so its increasingly likely we will have significant rises in London, then it will hit the national papers spreading panic, again

Have faith in our scientists. We have some of the best research facilities in the world. This is a strange sars mutation that will need time to sort out and clinical trials take time. As possibly the only message board member who has been into the Cat 4 labs at Porton Down, admittedly before they were commissioned, I have an insight into the complex and time consuming work that is needed.

claptrappers_union wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 09, 2020 5:00 am

The experts always said they’d be a second wave in the colder months.

But I’m beginning to see a narrative that young people (people who are going out - and eating out to help out) are the ones being blamed for the rise in cases, young people (whatever that means) are the ones working, while old people are told to shield.

So the stats will be correct, the government know exactly what they are doing - and it’s to send out mixed messages so society blames each other.

It’s not the ones eating out to help out, it’s the ones singing and dancing in large groups or going to house parties with 40 people from different households who don’t wear masks, wash their hands, use sanitizer or heed any advice that you need to worry about

The law may well be changing on Monday but it will be ok to break it in a very specific and limited way.

wont happen

If young people are to blame for the upward curve now then surely it follows that old people are to blame for the initial wave that caused so many deaths and shut the country down.

It’s nonsense of course but worth bearing in mind the next time you hear the government trying to blame a section of society for the problems its confused set of rules and rubbish test and trace system are causing.

Anyone who doesn't want a vaccine isn't an idiot it's their choice if they want anything stuffed up them.

Talk about left hand right hand.... The health secretary has said that if you don't have symptoms, you're not eligible for a test, yet every council in Lancashire are setting up numerous sites urging people with no symptoms to get tested.

CFS wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 09, 2020 7:51 am

Anyone who doesn't want a vaccine isn't an idiot it's their choice if they want anything stuffed up them.

Nah, anyone who doesn’t want a vaccine IS an idiot, and a selfish one at that.

So the government which has just been throwing money at people to eat out in crowded restaurants now thinks people need to stop socialising outside.

And don’t work from home even if you can, because if you do then the landlords who own the office might lose some money, and one of the 450 Prets in London might have to close.

It’s been mixed messages since day 1, but aside from total strict lockdown (impossible now) I don’t think it’s going to make any difference. Add into the fact a lot of people have long since given up caring, and I think we’ll see the numbers continue to rise.

claret2018 wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 09, 2020 8:03 am

So the government which has just been throwing money at people to eat out in crowded restaurants now thinks people need to stop socialising outside.

And don’t work from home even if you can, because if you do then the landlords who own the office might lose some money, and one of the 450 Prets in London might have to close.

It’s been mixed messages since day 1, but aside from total strict lockdown (impossible now) I don’t think it’s going to make any difference. Add into the fact a lot of people have long since given up caring, and I think we’ll see the numbers continue to rise.

To be fair the only change here is that the guidance (which people were ignoring) is now becoming law. If you were following the guidance anyway this will have no impact on your life.

The mixed messages from the government mean many people have given up trying to follow the confusing rules.


You cannot meet with more than 6 people but you can go to work with dozens. Up until recently I was unable to visit my dad in his garden in Burnley but I was able to meet him
In the pub.

The rules don’t make sense so people won’t follow them.


The government are rightly trying to keep the economy going but by doing so are confused as to how to keep people apart whilst spending.

As someone who works in ICU I will start getting worried when we start seeing admissions to ICU with covid. At the moment that hasn’t happened for months.

Surely young people getting this disease but not getting ill is a good thing

Young people spreading a virus is the most selfish thing I’ve heard of since retired, old people decided to end young people’s right to live and work anywhere in Europe.

martin_p wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 09, 2020 7:57 am

Nah, anyone who doesn’t want a vaccine IS an idiot, and a selfish one at that.

Ok Martin

Grumps wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 09, 2020 7:52 am

Talk about left hand right hand.... The health secretary has said that if you don't have symptoms, you're not eligible for a test, yet every council in Lancashire are setting up numerous sites urging people with no symptoms to get tested.

He said that if you don't have symptoms then you are not eligible for a test, unless you have been specifically asked by your local authority to get a test. This is what happened in majority of Lancs as a result of the increased infection rate. Once these rates come down then these testing sites will move on and Lancs will be like the other areas where people with no symptoms aren't eligible for a test.

The commuication around this has been terrible though and it is no wonder people who don't have symptoms are wanting to get tested.

Inchy wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 09, 2020 8:06 am

The mixed messages from the government mean many people have given up trying to follow the confusing rules.


You cannot meet with more than 6 people but you can go to work with dozens. Up until recently I was unable to visit my dad in his garden in Burnley but I was able to meet him
In the pub.

The rules don’t make sense so people won’t follow them.


The government are rightly trying to keep the economy going but by doing so are confused as to how to keep people apart whilst spending.

As someone who works in ICU I will start getting worried when we start seeing admissions to ICU with covid. At the moment that hasn’t happened for months.

Surely young people getting this disease but not getting ill is a good thing

That depends on keeping it that way. In France infections have now started creeping back into the rest of the community and hospital admissions are rising again. I’m not sure how you’d stop increased infection rates in the young starting the affect everyone else. A lot of young people still live with their parents and I’m sure they work with older people too.

Boroclaret wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 09, 2020 8:09 am

He said that if you don't have symptoms then you are not eligible for a test, unless you have been specifically asked by your local authority to get a test. This is what happened in majority of Lancs as a result of the increased infection rate. Once these rates come down then these testing sites will move on and Lancs will be like the other areas where people with no symptoms aren't eligible for a test.

The commuication around this has been terrible though and it is no wonder people who don't have symptoms are wanting to get tested.

The problem is that if young people are now the spreaders and are more likely (it seems) to be asymptomatic then we need to be testing people without symptoms anyway.

I agree.

Hospitals are in a great position right now in terms of Covid admissions, bed occupancy, ventilation capacity and deaths. But that could quickly change if a perfect storm emerges (i.e. normal winter pressures + seasonal flu + Covid second wave) as we head into winter. Other factors could also add to this such as reduced bad capacity caused by distancing and cohorting patients, and restoration of elective care e.g. cancer treatment which is crucial. That said I think we've already seen the worst of it and there are of course now more effective treatments.

martin_p wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 09, 2020 8:06 am

To be fair the only change here is that the guidance (which people were ignoring) is now becoming law. If you were following the guidance anyway this will have no impact on your life.

We’re gatherings of more than 6 outside not allowed before? I don’t know.

Will the local lockdown rules still apply over these rules?

Boroclaret wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 09, 2020 8:09 am

He said that if you don't have symptoms then you are not eligible for a test, unless you have been specifically asked by your local authority to get a test. This is what happened in majority of Lancs as a result of the increased infection rate. Once these rates come down then these testing sites will move on and Lancs will be like the other areas where people with no symptoms aren't eligible for a test.

The commuication around this has been terrible though and it is no wonder people who don't have symptoms are wanting to get tested.

The sky news website missed that bit off.....

claret2018 wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 09, 2020 8:29 am

We’re gatherings of more than 6 outside not allowed before? I don’t know.

Will the local lockdown rules still apply over these rules?

That’s the guidance yes.

Pretty sure any local lockdown rules will still override national rules.