Premier League midfielder available - Drinkwater
Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:46 am
Interview in the Telegraph - I think he's played down the night club incident to be honest
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Must admit, I was surprised I was able to read it but here's the interview.
Impressive knobheadNottsClaret wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:52 amIt's a curious interview that. He's got the chance to give things solely from his side without challenge and he still comes across as a total knobhead. Impressive.
Good job your not called Sean Dyche then.
Where do you get “didn’t concentrate on being a dad” out of that? Because he sometimes goes out at night for a drink? Ohhh naughty, all those on here who do that, your bad parents, the lot of you.claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 11:10 amSuch a shame that when struggling not being able to see his kid due to him being in London and the kid in Manchester, when getting a move up north he didn't concentrate on being a dad in his spare time.
That's based on what exactly?
His career suggests that his form at Leicester when they won the title was the exception not the norm.GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:45 pmThat's based on what exactly?
He's barely played any first team football, but when he was at Leicester he was definitely PL standard.
If he can sort his head out, get fit and get playing regularly then he's more likely to regain that Leciester form.
We spoke to some Leicester fans last season in a pub before our game there. They said he had one outstanding season there and that was it. I doubt very much he’d get another opportunity at Premier League level now. And to think a year ago I was really pleased with the signing.
It’s based on the fact that he’s the wrong side of 30 and has been garbage for the last 4 seasons. His debut for Aston Villa was so comical it was untrue.GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:45 pmThat's based on what exactly?
He's barely played any first team football, but when he was at Leicester he was definitely PL standard.
If he can sort his head out, get fit and get playing regularly then he's more likely to regain that Leciester form.
I don't think anybody was suggesting he'd still be capable of rediscovering any title winning form, if he sorted himself out & applied the effort there's no reason why he couldn't still do a job for a lower PL side, evidence is not needed you don't go from being a title winning player to something drastically lower in the time period, the question is does he want to do it there's no logical reason why he couldn't the tools are in the locker.TVC15 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 1:15 pmHis career suggests that his form at Leicester when they won the title was the exception not the norm.
There is no evidence at all that he can regain that form - he’s not had a good game in more than 4 years now - that’s a long time to get himself fit and playing.
Looking at his cameos for us and Villa he does not have the fitness levels for the lower divisions let alone premier league.
1) I responded to a post saying he could regain his Leicester form - do you not think he was referring to his title winning form ?Jakubclaret wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 3:33 pmI don't think anybody was suggesting he'd still be capable of rediscovering any title winning form, if he sorted himself out & applied the effort there's no reason why he couldn't still do a job for a lower PL side, evidence is not needed you don't go from being a title winning player to something drastically lower in the time period, the question is does he want to do it there's no logical reason why he couldn't the tools are in the locker.
You've obviously purposely overlooked where I said if he sorts himself out & applies himself you are judging him on the last 4 years & assuming things will stay the same, I'm stating as a big IF if certain conditions are met he could still do it, engaging himself in massive lifestyle changes & maximum mental focus, you only have to look at some players like damien delaney & realise rarely the odds can be overturned.TVC15 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 3:54 pm1) I responded to a post saying he could regain his Leicester form - do you not think he was referring to his title winning form ?
2) he just embarrassed himself for a “lower PL side”
3) he’s had 4 years to get fit, apply himself etc etc.
4) he’s just had 2 loan spells where he got in a fight at both clubs.
They are all “logical” reasons he will never get back to anywhere near his Leicester form.
I can’t see any logical reason for him coming back and to say he has the tools in his locker is just meaningless - he is a tool that’s for sure.
However all the evidence that does exist points to exactly that. Moreover 4 accomplished managers, Sarri, Smith, Dyche and Lampard have given him the bums rush.Jakubclaret wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 3:33 pmif he sorted himself out & applied the effort there's no reason why he couldn't still do a job for a lower PL side, evidence is not needed you don't go from being a title winning player to something drastically lower in the time period,
I'm 95% certain the lad won't overcome his demons, everything I've said is on the proviso he completely changes his lifestyle & adopts a super strict professional attitude, people are just assuming he'll stay the same & he probably will, the 5% chance I'm stating he could but very unlikely to.ClaretLoup wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 4:12 pmHowever all the evidence that does exist points to exactly that. Moreover 4 accomplished managers, Sarri, Smith, Dyche and Lampard have given him the bums rush.
Nutting your team mates is bit of an own goal as well why would you want to risk your existing players?
He's got a ways to go yet to catch Ravel Morrison in being binned off by managers.ClaretLoup wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 4:12 pmHowever all the evidence that does exist points to exactly that. Moreover 4 accomplished managers, Sarri, Smith, Dyche and Lampard have given him the bums rush.
Nutting your team mates is bit of an own goal as well why would you want to risk your existing players?
Nope - overlooking is what you did by not even knowing the post I responded to and thinking you were being clever by chipping in with another stupid response.Jakubclaret wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 4:11 pmYou've obviously purposely overlooked where I said if he sorts himself out & applies himself you are judging him on the last 4 years & assuming things will stay the same, I'm stating as a big IF if certain conditions are met he could still do it, engaging himself in massive lifestyle changes & maximum mental focus, you only have to look at some players like damien delaney & realise rarely the odds can be overturned.
Delaney had problems at ipswich & as a free agent signed for palace & went on to play in the PL so effectively at 1 point until palaces intervention he was close to packing it in, the example was a footballer at a low point like danny drinkwater is now & finding a club & working hard towards another chance, an extension to the career that's the similarity I meant although at this point we don't know where drinkwater will end up although we all have a pretty good idea the best days are well behind, the evidence so far we have is a mixed up individual who's pretty much stagnated since leaving leicester & moving to chelsea, & got himself in all kinds of trouble, it's upto drinkwater the next chance he gets he doesn't blow it as chances will be minimal & the offers less attractive, delaney grabbed his chance, we can't look into future regarding drinkwater time will be the bearer.TVC15 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 4:30 pmNope - overlooking is what you did by not even knowing the post I responded to and thinking you were being clever by chipping in with another stupid response.
Of course IF gets you out of everything - IF he sorted himself out and started playing like he was 4 or 5 years ago then yes I agree that he would be good enough.
But all the evidence suggests he can’t. In fact all the evidence suggests he has tried and he cannot get anywhere near it....and the reason I know that is because he’s been trying for 4 years so what do you think is going to change now.
As for using Delaney as an example of what Drinkwater could do - again you seem to surpass yourself. I could not think of a worse example to use. Drinkwater is the diametric opposite to Delaney who had to work hard all his career and savoured every minute of it like it was his last. Drinkwater is interested in only one thing - and it ain’t playing football....it’s getting paid to not play football
https://www.the42.ie/damien-delaney-int ... 2-Jul2019/