Wow BJ eviscerates the EU!!!

[martin_p]

Remoaners / The Left- 2020 -

"This will permanently damage out international reputation"

The Silent minority-

"We seemed to manage get over Labour's illegal war resulting in the death of millions of innocent Iraqi men, women and children, pretty quick"

It was billions surely?

[RingoMcCartney]

Remoaners/ The Left-

"Who's going to deal with us if we've broken international law!?"

Remoaners / The Left

"As if we're going to get a better deal with other countries as a single nation. Compared to the deal we get as part of a 28 country block in the EU "

The Real World

Japan signs free trade deal despite our "international reputation" which is a far more superior deal than the one we had in the EU!!!!!!!!

Read a weep Remoaners!

[Spijed]

Remoaners/ The Left-

"Who's going to deal with us if we've broken international law!?"

Remoaners / The Left

"As if we're going to get a better deal with other countries as a single nation. Compared to the deal we get as part of a 28 country block in the EU "

The Real World

Japan signs free trade deal despite our "international reputation" which is a far more superior deal than the one we had in the EU!!!!!!!!

Read a weep Remoaners!

Far superior? Can you provide a single piece of evidence to back up your claim?

No you cant as it isn't, so don't lie.

Funny how no economist has praised the deal in glowing terms.

[martin_p]

Remoaners/ The Left-

"Who's going to deal with us if we've broken international law!?"

Remoaners / The Left

"As if we're going to get a better deal with other countries as a single nation. Compared to the deal we get as part of a 28 country block in the EU "

The Real World

Japan signs free trade deal despite our "international reputation" which is a far more superior deal than the one we had in the EU!!!!!!!!

Read a weep Remoaners!

For ‘far more superior’ read a potential 0.07% added to GDP over an unspecified timeframe, it’s the EU deal with some very minor additions. So the good news is that the predicted 5% drop in GDP due to Brexit can be reduced to a mere 4.93%.

[Spiral]

The Silent minority-

"We seemed to manage get over Labour's illegal war resulting in the death of millions of innocent Iraqi men, women and children, pretty quick"

Majority. The word you're looking for is silent majority, and does ascribing a quote to a supposedly silent majority not undermine their whole being silent thing you're going for?

[aggi]

Is RIngo part of this silent minority? He's not very silent.

[Spiral]

Silent Minority was the name of a documentary about mistreatment of mentally handicapped folks in a mental health asylum in Oxfordshire.

Ringo is pure, uncut, unfiltered drama.

[HarryPottsDesk]

The competition to be this forum's most incontinent and ignorant right-wing pensioner has never been hotter.

[Damo]

Ringo has a point.
When remainers are championing a man who set fire to the middle east, for some cut price oil, as the voice of ethical standards, you just know that pretty much everything they post is nonsense.
Looking forward to more egg on faces by the time we get to the end of these negotiations

[martin_p]

Ringo has a point.
When remainers are championing a man who set fire to the middle east, for some cut price oil, as the voice of ethical standards, you just know that pretty much everything they post is nonsense.
Looking forward to more egg on faces by the time we get to the end of these negotiations

Well he might have a point had anyone done that.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Well he might have a point had anyone done that.

That's true, he did it whilst looking for some WMD's that have never been found but he was busy being the lapdog of George Bush in reality
Bizarre how he was then made Middle Eastern Peace Envoy afterwards

[martin_p]

That's true, he did it whilst looking for some WMD's that have never been found but he was busy being the lapdog of George Bush in reality
Bizarre how he was then made Middle Eastern Peace Envoy afterwards

You know the only person to mention Tony Blair is Wrongo right? And then precisely no one rushed to his defence. It’s a classic deflection tactic which Damo is now using as well to avoid talking about the failings of their beloved Tory government.

[Spijed]

Looking forward to more egg on faces by the time we get to the end of these negotiations

So you think people will have egg on their faces, even if it's a bad deal?

[GodIsADeeJay81]

You know the only person to mention Tony Blair is Wrongo right? And then precisely no one rushed to his defence. It’s a classic deflection tactic which Damo is now using as well to avoid talking about the failings of their beloved Tory government.

I haven't scrolled through the entire thread, I start at the end and work my way back through it.

Amusing that there are still people who think Blair did no wrong over a Iraq.

As for the failings of the Tory gov, we will have plenty of time to go over those.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

So you think people will have egg on their faces, even if it's a bad deal?

We really need to reach an agreement on a definition of a bad deal on here.

Remainers will state that any deal that's not 100% the same as we had when in the EU is a bad deal.

Leavers will say diff.

Can we find a middle ground?

[GodIsADeeJay81]

It was billions surely?

Nah that's the financial cost.

[claretonthecoast1882]

We really need to reach an agreement on a definition of a bad deal on here.

Remainers will state that any deal that's not 100% the same as we had when in the EU is a bad deal.

Leavers will say diff.

Can we find a middle ground?

Is there a middle ground between extreme left and right ?

[CaptJohn]

You tell him Bob

Is that Nick Pope in the blue hat giving the finger?

[Greenmile]

I haven't scrolled through the entire thread, I start at the end and work my way back through it.

Probably best to not just invent what folk have said, then.

Amusing that there are still people who think Blair did no wrong over a Iraq.

Also not true (of people on this thread, at least) but don’t let that bother you

As for the failings of the Tory gov, we will have plenty of time to go over those.

Will you let us know when we’re allowed to criticise the Tories? And will our go last 20 years like your criticism of the Blair govt has? I’m hoping that, when our time to criticise the Tories comes, you won’t be jumping on every single criticism with your usual “but Labour...” schtick, but I suspect that might be a little optimistic of me.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Probably best to not just invent what folk have said, then.



Also not true (of people on this thread, at least) but don’t let that bother you



Will you let us know when we’re allowed to criticise the Tories? And will our go last 20 years like your criticism of the Blair govt has? I’m hoping that, when our time to criticise the Tories comes, you won’t be jumping on every single criticism with your usual “but Labour...” schtick, but I suspect that might be a little optimistic of me.

No need to ask permission, some of you have never stopped from the moment they got into power.

I'll admit their failings, it's quite easy.
The real issue is those who're so far up the arse of one side that they're blinded.

[Bordeauxclaret]

The real issue is those who're so far up the arse of one side that they're blinded.

Do you put your in or out of that category?

[aggi]

No need to ask permission, some of you have never stopped from the moment they got into power.

I'll admit their failings, it's quite easy.
The real issue is those who're so far up the arse of one side that they're blinded.

I think the word that the young people use here is LOL.

[RingoMcCartney]

For ‘far more superior’ read a potential 0.07% added to GDP over an unspecified timeframe, it’s the EU deal with some very minor additions. So the good news is that the predicted 5% drop in GDP due to Brexit can be reduced to a mere 4.93%.

Taking back control one , superior, ( remoaners said it could never happen!) trade deal at a time. !

[AlargeClaret]

Yet another “ circle jerk thread” for swivel eyed remainers unable to accept either the result or the posturing of the EU.

[RingoMcCartney]

Silent Minority was the name of a documentary about mistreatment of mentally handicapped folks in a mental health asylum in Oxfordshire.

Ringo is pure, uncut, unfiltered drama.

Twenty to two in the middle of the night . No attempt whatsoever to defend the illegal war criminal Tony Bliar,
and what his actions did for our international reputation. Just the above. Desperate, just desperate.

[Greenmile]

No need to ask permission, some of you have never stopped from the moment they got into power.

What’s your problem with criticising those in power? Why - when folk do criticise the current govt - do you say stuff like “As for the failings of the Tory gov, we will have plenty of time to go over those.”? Why is that time not now?

I'll admit their failings, it's quite easy.

When did you last admit any failings of the current govt? (a link would be handy)

The real issue is those who're so far up the arse of one side that they're blinded.

Did you really just type that with a straight face?

[RingoMcCartney]

Where was the deputy leader of the Labour Party yesterday in parliament yesterday? Protocol would suggest that it shouldve been Angela Raynor who faced Boris. Given Captain Hindsight is isolating. Instead they bring in another white male North London metropolitan bubble dwelling europhile!!


Labour are keen to extoll their diversity credentials but it seems that when it comes to giving the opportunity to a northern woman to represent the party good old fashioned snobbery and sexism rears it old head!

I wonder what Angela Raynor is thinking today? It's almost as if theyve given up on the North. Well, the North, as I predicted , has given up on Labour!

[Spijed]

Where was the deputy leader of the Labour Party yesterday in parliament yesterday? Protocol would suggest that it shouldve been Angela Raynor who faced Boris. Given Captain Hindsight is isolating. Instead they bring in another white male North London metropolitan bubble dwelling europhile!!


Labour are keen to extoll their diversity credentials but it seems that when it comes to giving the opportunity to a northern woman to represent the party good old fashioned snobbery and sexism rears it old head!

I wonder what Angela Raynor is thinking today? It's almost as if theyve given up on the North. Well, the North, as I predicted , has given up on Labour!

Btw, you haven't provided any facts to show that our trade deal with Japan is far superior.

[martin_p]

Where was the deputy leader of the Labour Party yesterday in parliament yesterday? Protocol would suggest that it shouldve been Angela Raynor who faced Boris. Given Captain Hindsight is isolating. Instead they bring in another white male North London metropolitan bubble dwelling europhile!!

Because he’s the Shadow Business Secretary and the Internal Market bill comes from the Secretary for Business. It’s usual for the relevant minister to introduce a bill to parliament but the government chose to have it presented by the PM rather than Business Secretary Alok Sharma. So Milliband was the right deputy in this instance.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

What’s your problem with criticising those in power? Why - when folk do criticise the current govt - do you say stuff like “As for the failings of the Tory gov, we will have plenty of time to go over those.”? Why is that time not now?



When did you last admit any failings of the current govt? (a link would be handy)



Did you really just type that with a straight face?

This current gov?
I've stated several times that they got their policy badly wrong on letting people back into the UK and making arrangements to get people back, plus allowing people to leave for holidays during this ongoing pandemic.

Whilst they managed to look after a large amount of the country with the furlough scheme, again they let down a small number.

Their decision to extend Mot's was moronic beyond belief and that resulted in a number of garages closing or struggling if they remained open.

Want me to go on?

Yes there are people on here who're so stuck in their political views they won't look around.

[Greenmile]

This current gov?
I've stated several times that they got their policy badly wrong on letting people back into the UK and making arrangements to get people back, plus allowing people to leave for holidays during this ongoing pandemic.

Whilst they managed to look after a large amount of the country with the furlough scheme, again they let down a small number.

Their decision to extend Mot's was moronic beyond belief and that resulted in a number of garages closing or struggling if they remained open.

Want me to go on?

Yes there are people on here who're so stuck in their political views they won't look around.

Congratulations. I see you haven’t provided any links, but I’m willing to believe you have made these very minor criticisms of the current govt.

I went to London to protest against the Iraq war, so I’m not sure where you get the idea that I’m a massive Blairite from (although I was prior to the illegal war he took us into).

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Congratulations. I see you haven’t provided any links, but I’m willing to believe you have made these very minor criticisms of the current govt.

I went to London to protest against the Iraq war, so I’m not sure where you get the idea that I’m a massive Blairite from (although I was prior to the illegal war he took us into).

So you want links to where I've stated it on here previously?
No chance.

[AndrewJB]

Voted him in though didn’t you?

And the Iraq war was 2003, wasn’t that in his second term? So you weren’t turned against him until then? If so, even if you did vote for him first time round, you must’ve done it again. Hands up- I did. Ashamed of it now mind....

It’s not so much that I hate your opinions, it’s what you are desperately clinging on to that I hate. Keep talking by all means, but change the record ffs. Everything blue is bad. Everything red is good. It’s just tiresome. Maybe at the turn of the century there was a place for your politics, but not now. Despite the fact that you were rejected emphatically at the ballot box, you still cling to the hope that eventually your time will come. Sorry, but it’s gone. There is no need for “your labour”. Workers and the working classes (Yeah, PLURAL) no longer need the type of ‘protection’ your (and JC’s) politics tell us we need. The Labour Party needs to be left of centre, not left of Marxism. (Yeah yeah yeah, the daily mail told me to think that, blah blah blah...) When that returns, we can all look forward to a labour government getting everything right.

Anyway, try this... https://www.theweek.co.uk/108040/brexit ... nal-damage
There’s plenty more out there having a pop at BoJo over this... who can blame them?

Schoolyard bully? No better example of that than Corbyn (and his north London reds), continually talking people down, refusing to listen and repeatedly telling people what they want/need. Reminiscent of you and your posts.

Fortunately the nation saw thru him, and we’ve got what we’ve got. It’s not great, but it’s a damn site better than it could’ve been.

Here’s a list of who voted for, and who voted against the war in Iraq:

https://inews.co.uk/news/long-reads/cur ... -war-13298

On top of my earlier criticisms there was an aura of control freakery around the Blair government that I didn’t like. The way he imposed Kitty Usher on the people of Burnley is an example of “we know what’s best for you” attitude which I think repelled many northern people. I don’t think I’m alone in this criticism, because a lot of people who joined Labour after the 2015 election looked for a leader who was for making the party more democratic, less careerist (insofar as looking at politics to advance their personal careers), honest (as in not fiddling expenses, and not talking in sound bites), and someone who was against the war. So whereas the party could be rightly accused of taking northern voters for granted in the Blair era, I don’t think that is the case now. The last two manifestos had a lot of policies around investing in deprived areas.

When you say “far left” or “left of Marxism” what do you mean? To me that is getting rid of the free market, and private property, but those things weren’t in any Labour manifesto. You’re either not serious and using the terms pejoratively, or you don’t understand what they mean. There is nothing in any of the Labour manifestos that could be described as hard left. The press described them as hard left, but that was to discredit them. If you’re using the term hard left, but actually mean “left,” then just say “left.”

There was a point during the last election when Corbyn made speeches aimed over the top of the Brexit divide. That whichever side of Brexit you were on, there is more that unites us than divides us, and that was his approach. So I don’t see how you’ve concluded he was a tyrant pushing his views on everyone. He was painted that way in the papers, but then it’s important that I trust people don’t take everything they read in them as gospel.

Thanks for the link too.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

If they hadn't falsified information to make the war more appealing, do we think so many would've voted in favour?
If no one outside of Blairs inner circle new the full truth then can anyone be blamed for voting in favour?

[martin_p]

Every living Tory leader apart from IDS (the Brexit extremist) has now come out against the plans to break international law.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Every living Tory leader apart from IDS (the Brexit extremist) has now come out against the plans to break international law.

Pro-EU current and former politicians then, hardly a shock.

[martin_p]

Pro-EU current and former politicians then, hardly a shock.

It’s odd that you see breaking international law as a leave/remain argument. Surely things like the government upholding the law are universal. The condemnation of these actions has come from across the board.

[Tall Paul]

Pro-EU current and former politicians then, hardly a shock.

Michael Howard pro-EU?

[GodIsADeeJay81]

It’s odd that you see breaking international law as a leave/remain argument. Surely things like the government upholding the law are universal. The condemnation of these actions has come from across the board.

They haven't broken any laws yet.
They're putting provisions in place that will enable them to transport food to a part of the United Kingdom if the EU carry out their threat to leave us off their list of approved countries.

I assume you're happy that the EU are willing to allow potential food shortages to happen in N.Ireland to get what they want from us.

We've stated that we will be honoring current EU regulations on food and if we wish to make any changes they'll be notified through the proper channels with the appropriate amount of time.
The EU still aren't happy with that and have issued threats as a response.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Michael Howard pro-EU?

I've missed his comments ref the EU.

[Devils_Advocate]

You must be getting tired with this typing Sid so here's a link to help you out with Tall Paul's comment

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Howard

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Cheers but I don't get tired of it, I dip in and out of this one, because neither side will budge so being in this chat full time is pointless.

[Devils_Advocate]

Only pulling your leg

[martin_p]

They haven't broken any laws yet.
They're putting provisions in place that will enable them to transport food to a part of the United Kingdom if the EU carry out their threat to leave us off their list of approved countries.

I assume you're happy that the EU are willing to allow potential food shortages to happen in N.Ireland to get what they want from us.

We've stated that we will be honoring current EU regulations on food and if we wish to make any changes they'll be notified through the proper channels with the appropriate amount of time.
The EU still aren't happy with that and have issued threats as a response.

The internal market bill hasn’t a single provision to stop what you describe above.

[Tall Paul]

I've missed his comments ref the EU.

Why did you say they're all pro-EU then?

[RingoMcCartney]

Btw, you haven't provided any facts to show that our trade deal with Japan is far superior.

Ask the whiskey ,lamb and cheese sectors of the food industry if they are happy today. Thing is, it simply proves , as per usual, almost the scare tactics to be lies on your side.

Myth - "Our international reputation will be shattered." And " no country will give us a better trade deal"

While you were coming out with this garbage the UK / Japan trade deal is signed!

Myth busted!

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Why did you say they're all pro-EU then?

I made an error, build a bridge, get over it.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

The internal market bill hasn’t a single provision to stop what you describe above.

https://news.sky.com/story/controversia ... s-12065832

[RingoMcCartney]

Because he’s the Shadow Business Secretary and the Internal Market bill comes from the Secretary for Business. It’s usual for the relevant minister to introduce a bill to parliament but the government chose to have it presented by the PM rather than Business Secretary Alok Sharma. So Milliband was the right deputy in this instance.

PM versus Shadow/ deputy shadow that's the protocol.

I'd have more respect for the labour party if it could ,rather than constantly trying to be seen extolling its diversity credentials.

It was just more honest and admitted it simply doesn't like northern women , whether its Rebekah Long Bailey or Angela Raynor, speaking on its behalf . Instead its default position is white male metropolitan bubble dwellers!

The labour party - used to be the working class party.

Now it's an Islington dinner party

[RingoMcCartney]

Why did you say they're all pro-EU then?

Lol Tall Paul