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Re: Jim Davidson

Post by AlargeClaret » Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:28 pm

claptrappers_union wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2020 11:33 am
Quite possibly - he's the only comedian of that type I've seen live though.

My friend bought tickets to see Roy Chubby Brown in Oswaldtwistle with the rose-tinted specs of watching his old VHS tapes as a young teenager. We'd share the video around the class of Chubs performing stage saying words like 'minge' and 'fanny' - which as schoolboys we used to find hilarious.

When he went to the show though, he said it was like EDL Central with fifty-year-old men jumping up and down in their seats when he made some 'jokes' about the migrant crisis. He expected the jokes to have a sense of irony or subversive meaning - but no... Immigrants are thieves, Asians stink of curry and women are fat... as simple as that. Well funny...
Your mate expected “ irony or subversive meaning “ at a Chubby Brown gig ! :lol: Perhaps a bit like going to watch Nish Kumar ( I know ..but still ) and being disappointed he didn’t do any “ p*** jokes”

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Re: Jim Davidson

Post by TheFamilyCat » Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:29 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2020 7:54 am
His best work was BIg Break and that was below average
Yes, probably time to retire when you're in a double act with John Virgo and Virgo's the "funny" one.

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Re: Jim Davidson

Post by FactualFrank » Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:32 pm

SammyBoy wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:20 pm
10 years ago when I was at Uni, me and my mate used to find it funny to get stoned and watch Roy Chubby Brown DVDs. Sounds kind of douchey to watch something ironically and laugh at it rather than with it but it was hilarious to us none the less.

It was interesting when we watched the "extras" on one DVD that Brown seemed to genuinely loathe his audience, and at one point worked himself into a rage whilst backstage about the mindless interruptions he had to deal with throughout the set. It sort of made me question whether he actually believes the distasteful stuff he says, or if he just does it because he knows there's good money in pedalling it to the people who buy the tickets.
Quite a few times over the years I've heard/read him say that it's an act and that's all it is. He takes the p1ss out of disabled people, but thinks a lot about them and it's purely for entertainment and his audience.

So with regards to questioning whether he actually believes the distasteful things he says, I'd say he doesn't. It was all for his audience.

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Re: Jim Davidson

Post by ayrshireclaret83 » Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:41 pm

Tribesmen wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:22 am
I opened this to see if he was dead .

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Re: Jim Davidson

Post by ayrshireclaret83 » Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:42 pm

Tribesmen wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:22 am
I opened this to see if he was dead .
So did I

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Re: Jim Davidson

Post by claptrappers_union » Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:58 pm

SammyBoy wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:20 pm
10 years ago when I was at Uni, me and my mate used to find it funny to get stoned and watch Roy Chubby Brown DVDs. Sounds kind of douchey to watch something ironically and laugh at it rather than with it but it was hilarious to us none the less.

It was interesting when we watched the "extras" on one DVD that Brown seemed to genuinely loathe his audience, and at one point worked himself into a rage whilst backstage about the mindless interruptions he had to deal with throughout the set. It sort of made me question whether he actually believes the distasteful stuff he says, or if he just does it because he knows there's good money in pedalling it to the people who buy the tickets.
I remember watching a documentary about Roy Chubby Brown (real name: Royston Vasey - yep, that's where it comes from - hence why he plays the Mayor in League of Gentlemen) - and he came across exactly as you say. He is in a niche market these days though, times are changing.

What does worry me though is that 'free speech' is seen as becoming a 'right-wing' thing... the 'its what you're are really thinking though' approach isn't helpful, but especially in comedy where some comedians don't put any content into their jokes.

Then we see the likes of Katie Hopkins using her status to give a social commentary, it's all without empathy, ideas, research or alternate perspective... that annoys me more than anything - it's just about winning arguments and getting likes. So this goes back to that original post, Davidson says nothing of any value with basic simplistic mutterings and posters on here are saying - 'he's spot on', 'speaking the truth' and 'he has a point'... There's so much out there to use, but he chooses the narrowest path.

He could use it his platform to do something amazing - put it look like he just wants a right-wing radio talk show all about himself.

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Re: Jim Davidson

Post by Socrates » Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:04 pm

FactualFrank wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:32 pm
Quite a few times over the years I've heard/read him say that it's an act and that's all it is. He takes the p1ss out of disabled people, but thinks a lot about them and it's purely for entertainment and his audience.

So with regards to questioning whether he actually believes the distasteful things he says, I'd say he doesn't. It was all for his audience.
So that’s alright then?

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Re: Jim Davidson

Post by fidelcastro » Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:16 pm

Well... that's eight minutes of my life I won't get back.

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Re: Jim Davidson

Post by claptrappers_union » Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:23 pm

In one of the standups I've seen him do on YouTube, (which I can't find now) he does a bit about one of his disabled friends who he treats just like everyone else and doesn't tiptoe around the disability. Davidson says he gets him out of his wheelchair, playfully throws him around at parties and gets him involved with everything... there is a genuine friendship there - and it sounds quite sweet.

But then he performs the impressions of him, the 'belm face', the slurred speech and 'spazzy' hands and whatever - his disabled friend doesn't mind though - he finds it funny, so it's OK.

To me, it's just a really cheap laugh. There's no point in performing the impression. That's me though, others might find it amusing.

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Re: Jim Davidson

Post by fidelcastro » Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:30 pm

I've never bought this excuse that comedians like Davidson, Brown, and Manning used that "it's only an act".

For me, you can't do that kind of material, unless your mindset is programmed that way to start with.

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Re: Jim Davidson

Post by claptrappers_union » Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:40 pm

fidelcastro wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:30 pm
I've never bought this excuse that comedians like Davidson, Brown, and Manning used that "it's only an act".

For me, you can't do that kind of material, unless your mindset is programmed that way to start with.
After Trump's election, Brexit, Labour being whitewashed in that snap election, and reading the general knuckle-dragging dumbfuckery from people on Facebook, I joked amongst my friends that for my New Years resolution, I'm going to become a rightwing, tory voting, bigotted Brexitteer... I lasted about 6 weeks, it was too hard.
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Re: Jim Davidson

Post by Grumps » Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:49 pm

fidelcastro wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:30 pm
I've never bought this excuse that comedians like Davidson, Brown, and Manning used that "it's only an act".

For me, you can't do that kind of material, unless your mindset is programmed that way to start with.
Bernard Manning did lots of good work within the ethnic neighbourhoods in Manchester for many years, so yes it can be an act

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Re: Jim Davidson

Post by FactualFrank » Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:49 pm

Socrates wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:04 pm
So that’s alright then?
Go away.

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Re: Jim Davidson

Post by fidelcastro » Tue Sep 15, 2020 2:06 pm

Grumps wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:49 pm
Bernard Manning did lots of good work within the ethnic neighbourhoods in Manchester for many years, so yes it can be an act
Not in his case. I always felt he was purposely nasty.

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Re: Jim Davidson

Post by FactualFrank » Tue Sep 15, 2020 2:08 pm

Bernard Manning was clearly racist and wasn't ashamed to admit it. I remember him on a show with Richard Wilson and let's just say Richard Wilson didn't like him.

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Re: Jim Davidson

Post by fidelcastro » Tue Sep 15, 2020 2:09 pm

FactualFrank wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2020 2:08 pm
Bernard Manning was clearly racist and wasn't ashamed to admit it. I remember him on a show with Richard Wilson and let's just say Richard Wilson didn't like him.
No wonder.

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Re: Jim Davidson

Post by Grumps » Tue Sep 15, 2020 2:11 pm

FactualFrank wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2020 2:08 pm
Bernard Manning was clearly racist and wasn't ashamed to admit it. I remember him on a show with Richard Wilson and let's just say Richard Wilson didn't like him.
So clearly racist he set up support groups for the black community, did one black ladies shopping every week, and paid for it, not many racists do that, unless of course he wasn't.
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Re: Jim Davidson

Post by Swizzlestick » Tue Sep 15, 2020 2:13 pm

Manning was the worst of the lot. Proper nasty stuff.

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Re: Jim Davidson

Post by fidelcastro » Tue Sep 15, 2020 2:14 pm

Grumps wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2020 2:11 pm
So clearly racist he set up support groups for the black community, did one black ladies shopping every week, and paid for it, not many racists do that, unless of course he wasn't.
Aye, if he was around today, I can just see him taking the knee in support of the oppressed black community.

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Re: Jim Davidson

Post by SammyBoy » Tue Sep 15, 2020 2:15 pm

When I originally suggested Chubby Brown's schtick might just be an act, it was only based on about 30 minutes of behind the scenes footage that I saw in which he appeared to regard his fans as not much more than pond life. I recall a bit where some bloke came over to him for an autograph, but he wanted it addressed to his brother Leonard. He then started spelling it out and Brown went "I know how to spell Leonard you f*cking idiot" or words to that effect, but it sounded like he was genuinely annoyed rather than joking around :lol:

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Re: Jim Davidson

Post by claptrappers_union » Tue Sep 15, 2020 2:15 pm

I think it's about the change in attitudes, Manning took the micky out of everyone and everything... it was 'sticks and stones' in those days. You can see in his interviews with 'young comedians' on such as Mark Lamarr and Caroline Ahearne (as Mrs Merton) and you can see he knows he knows his time is up on the mainstream platform, but he looks comfortable with that, however that new generation does criticise him and try to hold him to account, but you can also tell there's a respect there too.

Mark Lamarr interview - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5FoMng00bA

Mrs Merton (with Richard Wilson) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zaGwbRx_0Q
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Re: Jim Davidson

Post by FactualFrank » Tue Sep 15, 2020 2:17 pm

Grumps wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2020 2:11 pm
So clearly racist
Yes.

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Re: Jim Davidson

Post by Grumps » Tue Sep 15, 2020 2:34 pm

FactualFrank wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2020 2:17 pm
Yes.
Nice edit of my post to make it out of context, just stick to your own please

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Re: Jim Davidson

Post by FactualFrank » Tue Sep 15, 2020 2:36 pm

Grumps wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2020 2:34 pm
Nice edit
Thanks.
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Re: Jim Davidson

Post by Grumps » Tue Sep 15, 2020 2:37 pm

fidelcastro wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2020 2:14 pm
Aye, if he was around today, I can just see him taking the knee in support of the oppressed black community.
You Carnt say what he would or wouldn't do, iam just saying what he did actually do, which are recorded in many interviews with members of the black community, and documentrys made about his life.

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Re: Jim Davidson

Post by Wellsy1882 » Tue Sep 15, 2020 2:39 pm

Grumps wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2020 2:37 pm
You Carnt say what he would or wouldn't do, iam just saying what he did actually do, which are recorded in many interviews with members of the black community, and documentrys made about his life.
Can't
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Re: Jim Davidson

Post by FactualFrank » Tue Sep 15, 2020 2:39 pm

Grumps wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2020 2:37 pm
You Carnt say what he would or wouldn't do, iam just saying what he did actually do, which are recorded in many interviews with members of the black community, and documentrys made about his life.
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk ... ion-997531

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Re: Jim Davidson

Post by fidelcastro » Tue Sep 15, 2020 2:46 pm

Grumps wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2020 2:37 pm
You Carnt say what he would or wouldn't do, iam just saying what he did actually do, which are recorded in many interviews with members of the black community, and documentrys made about his life.
A two faced hypocrite as well as a racist, then?

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Re: Jim Davidson

Post by Grumps » Tue Sep 15, 2020 2:47 pm


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Re: Jim Davidson

Post by Grumps » Tue Sep 15, 2020 2:48 pm

Wellsy1882 wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2020 2:39 pm
Can't
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Well done

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Re: Jim Davidson

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Tue Sep 15, 2020 3:02 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:29 pm
Yes, probably time to retire when you're in a double act with John Virgo and Virgo's the "funny" one.

You mean Virgo wasn't meant to be the funny one ?

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Re: Jim Davidson

Post by claptrappers_union » Tue Sep 15, 2020 4:40 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2020 7:54 am
His best work was BIg Break and that was below average

I'm watching some old episodes on Big Break at the moment, he carries the show really well

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Re: Jim Davidson

Post by FactualFrank » Tue Sep 15, 2020 4:47 pm

I liked Big Break as well and think they both worked well together.

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Re: Jim Davidson

Post by Wile E Coyote » Tue Sep 15, 2020 6:14 pm

manning was around in an era when adapting to change was very new, people hadn't dealt with ethnicity at all. he also did the usual scotsman irishman routines. it was altogether a different era. pointless putting his material under the spotlight in 2020.

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Re: Jim Davidson

Post by Walkerpool » Tue Sep 15, 2020 6:22 pm

I see black comics telling jokes about white people and other nationalities and it's funny but a white comic doing the same is a racist the world's gone mad why can't we all just enjoy a joke have a laugh and stop overreacting because you've been told it's offensive I'd probably laugh at both comedians so I'm not sure if that makes me a racist

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Re: Jim Davidson

Post by claptrappers_union » Tue Sep 15, 2020 7:55 pm

Walkerpool wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2020 6:22 pm
I see black comics telling jokes about white people and other nationalities and it's funny but a white comic doing the same is a racist the world's gone mad why can't we all just enjoy a joke have a laugh and stop overreacting because you've been told it's offensive I'd probably laugh at both comedians so I'm not sure if that makes me a racist
You know, you can make jokes about the topic of race, watch the likes of Richard Prior or Chris Rock - they do it really well... Louis CK does some brilliant jokes about racism too - he does a whole bit pretty much justifying the use of the 'N-word'. Stewart Lee tells jokes about Muslims in one of his acts.

It's not racist though because of the context of the jokes.

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Re: Jim Davidson

Post by FactualFrank » Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:03 pm

claptrappers_union wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2020 7:55 pm
You know, you can make jokes about the topic of race, watch the likes of Richard Prior or Chris Rock - they do it really well... Louis CK does some brilliant jokes about racism too - he does a whole bit pretty much justifying the use of the 'N-word'. Stewart Lee tells jokes about Muslims in one of his acts.

It's not racist though because of the context of the jokes.
Black comedians who aren't in the least bit funny feel they have to go with race. You watch the comedy clubs and they feel they have to try and be funny, by bringing race into it. I don't care if they are black, white or green... just be funny and stop dropping down to this level.

There's people who come onto shows like Mock the Week - you can tell she's going to play the race card. Jokes are fine, but these seem to only go for the race card. It's like they have no other material.

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Re: Jim Davidson

Post by PeterWilton » Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:10 pm

Ah yes. Straight away he's whining about black people using their voices about the oppression experienced by black people at the hands of the police in the US.

Why does that upset so many people? Especially white people.

Got no problem with black people playing sports and entertaining them, but as soon as one of them express an opinion? **** me do certain white people get triggered. I'm starting to think they might be racist.

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Re: Jim Davidson

Post by PeterWilton » Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:26 pm

Walkerpool wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2020 6:22 pm
I see black comics telling jokes about white people and other nationalities and it's funny but a white comic doing the same is a racist the world's gone mad why can't we all just enjoy a joke have a laugh and stop overreacting because you've been told it's offensive I'd probably laugh at both comedians so I'm not sure if that makes me a racist
It's fine to joke about stereotypes as long as its obvious you're not racist.

Davidson, for example, is a racist. So when he makes a joke about race you can't tell whether the joke is him pinching down at that race, or whether he's making fun of the stereotype. And that ruins the joke. But Stewart Lee could make the same joke and you can trust he's mocking the stereotype, because he obviously isn't racist, which allows the audience to safely laugh.

Jim Davidson isnt unfunny, he was successful because he understands comedy, but his comedy is too often punching down whereas I prefer comedy that punches up at the privileged. And because he has a solid understanding of comedy its hard for me to imagine that he doesn't know what he's doing when he caters to the audience he's choosing to cater to.

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Re: Jim Davidson

Post by Wuggawumphwumph » Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:06 pm

Priveledgeism at it’s worst

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Re: Jim Davidson

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:09 pm

Is that the same Stewart Lee who mocked someone's foreign sounding name?

A Jewish Tory MP...

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Re: Jim Davidson

Post by claptrappers_union » Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:10 pm

FactualFrank wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:03 pm
Black comedians who aren't in the least bit funny feel they have to go with race. You watch the comedy clubs and they feel they have to try and be funny, by bringing race into it. I don't care if they are black, white or green... just be funny and stop dropping down to this level.

There's people who come onto shows like Mock the Week - you can tell she's going to play the race card. Jokes are fine, but these seem to only go for the race card. It's like they have no other material.

You’re probably not wrong to be fair, there are some black comedians who are awful, it does seem like the same stuff. But there are more **** white comedians who have been on that Mock the Week.

Most comedians use where they are from in the act though. Its easy material.

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Re: Jim Davidson

Post by Wile E Coyote » Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:13 pm

lenny henry, he's still doing that delbert wilkins thing.

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Re: Jim Davidson

Post by FactualFrank » Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:19 pm

claptrappers_union wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:10 pm
You’re probably not wrong to be fair, there are some black comedians who are awful, it does seem like the same stuff. But there are more **** white comedians who have been on that Mock the Week.

Most comedians use where they are from in the act though. Its easy material.
That's what I mean though. They bring it into their act and it really isn't funny. It just shouts out as desperate.

But I guess we all love different humour. Before lockdown I went to watch Josh Widdicombe and Jasper Carrott. Both hilarious and Jasper, you could tell was a professional. He knew what he was doing. No racism whatsoever, he was just funny.

When someone comes on and the first thing they say is about how they were brought up in Africa, it's not funny. At all.

Agreed that there's a lot of unfunny white people who come on. Russell Howard - sorry... not funny in the least.

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Re: Jim Davidson

Post by HunterST_BFC » Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:27 pm

Jim Davidson is possibly the most racist person I've ever had to meet.
I had to work with him and his "team" in '92.

It's a long story.
Cut short it involved Jim Davidson being hired to host a John Taylor function (Black Tory Candidate) and Cheltenham (Tory safe seat) election campaign and John Major and money.

If I get time (and can be arsed) I'll flesh this out more............

Fair to say Davidson is THE most objectionable "person?" I have ever had the the misfortune to have to deal with. Absolutely no redeemable features to this "person?"...

It was a more polished persona most would see on TV - even probably live and that was bad... but the reality away from his "Job?" he was and probably still is as rotten to the core as they come, ingrained in him.

I'll expand if I can be bothered - all true.

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Re: Jim Davidson

Post by FactualFrank » Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:36 pm

HunterST_BFC wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:27 pm
Jim Davidson is possibly the most racist person I've ever had to meet.
I had to work with him and his "team" in '92.

It's a long story.
Cut short it involved Jim Davidson being hired to host a John Taylor function (Black Tory Candidate) and Cheltenham (Tory safe seat) election campaign and John Major and money.

If I get time (and can be arsed) I'll flesh this out more............

Fair to say Davidson is THE most objectionable "person?" I have ever had the the misfortune to have to deal with. Absolutely no redeemable features to this "person?"...

It was a more polished persona most would see on TV - even probably live and that was bad... but the reality away from his "Job?" he was and probably still is as rotten to the core as they come, ingrained in him.

I'll expand if I can be bothered - all true.
Fair enough. You're one of the decent posters so no reason to doubt what you've said. Maybe that's why he's no longer on TV. I heard the same about Jimmy Tarbuck.

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Re: Jim Davidson

Post by claptrappers_union » Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:38 pm

FactualFrank wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:19 pm
Before lockdown I went to watch Josh Widdicombe and Jasper Carrott. Both hilarious and Jasper, you could tell was a professional. He knew what he was doing. No racism whatsoever, he was just funny.

When someone comes on and the first thing they say is about how they were brought up in Africa, it's not funny. At all.

Agreed that there's a lot of unfunny white people who come on. Russell Howard - sorry... not funny in the least.
I would imagine though that Josh Widdecombe did a bit about growing up in Devon and Jasper Carrott did something about Birmingham though.

But I get your point though.

Not seen Jasper Carrott in ages, I used to really like him... he could his job with his eyes closed now I bet. I might dig up some of his stuff on YouTube, probably not my cup of tea anymore, but a safe pair of hands.

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Re: Jim Davidson

Post by claptrappers_union » Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:50 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:09 pm
Is that the same Stewart Lee who mocked someone's foreign sounding name?

A Jewish Tory MP...
Yes, that was in a newspaper column, but the MP wasn’t the but of the joke, the target was little Englanders who want MP with English names.

Racists jokes can be divisive... but your playing a very risky game if tell a joke with anything Jewish in it. Steer well clear. Unless you are Jewish of course and your just a self-hating Jew like Gary Shandling, Sarah Silverman, Jon Stewart and Woody Allen - only the ultra Zionist don’t like them... but they don’t like anyone.... I don’t think?

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Re: Jim Davidson

Post by FactualFrank » Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:55 pm

claptrappers_union wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:38 pm
I would imagine though that Josh Widdecombe did a bit about growing up in Devon and Jasper Carrott did something about Birmingham though.

But I get your point though.

Not seen Jasper Carrott in ages, I used to really like him... he could his job with his eyes closed now I bet. I might dig up some of his stuff on YouTube, probably not my cup of tea anymore, but a safe pair of hands.
He was really good mate. You could tell he'd been doing this for years with how he worked the crowd.

He had a band on during the breaks which wasn't really my cup of tea, but was spot on when he came on.
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Re: Jim Davidson

Post by Wellsy1882 » Tue Sep 15, 2020 10:48 pm

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