Dyche on Tarkowski

[Tim hale49]

Yep, not many will happily being 4th choice or playing 50 games in 10 years...

He really must off ****** you off somehow

[MACCA]

He really must off ****** you off somehow

Are you in a cave?

I'll just keep dealing in the facts, you carry on with your weird obsession with Kevin Long.

Ill narrow it down to make it easier, between Sean Dyche, Macca and Tim, there's 2 people right regards Kevin Longs ability or lack of it to be a regular premier league CB, and I'll give you a clue as to the 2 people who are right, one isnt called Tim.

[Tim hale49]

Hit a nerve did I

[FactualFrank]

Hit a nerve did I

Kev... fave position. Centre back or striker?

[Tim hale49]

Busted

Makes you wonder if any other players frequent this forum for a laugh...?

To be fair I'm more of a observer rather than participate but annoys me when you see the same people critical of the same players no matter what they do.keep safe

[Local cricketer]

Are you in a cave?

I'll just keep dealing in the facts, you carry on with your weird obsession with Kevin Long.

Ill narrow it down to make it easier, between Sean Dyche, Macca and Tim, there's 2 people right regards Kevin Longs ability or lack of it to be a regular premier league CB, and I'll give you a clue as to the 2 people who are right, one isnt called Tim.

Maybe Tim is Kevin

[Erasmus]

Speaking of King Power, one the things I don't like about Leicester City is that they have paid for the success with money generated by Thailand. One of that country's main sources of income is tourism, a part of which is duty free, so my view is that the money generated in that way should be used for the benefit of the many very poor people of Thailand, and not paying high wages and transfer fees for the benefit of an English football club.

[matttheclaret]

£31 million the latest offer to be turned down according to SSN

[Spijed]

Speaking of King Power, one the things I don't like about Leicester City is that they have paid for the success with money generated by Thailand. One of that country's main sources of income is tourism, a part of which is duty free, so my view is that the money generated in that way should be used for the benefit of the many very poor people of Thailand, and not paying high wages and transfer fees for the benefit of an English football club.

And let's not forget they got their ground for free after deliberately going into administration once it was built, with no intention to pay for it.

[Boss Hogg]

£31 million the latest offer to be turned down according to SSN

Is this a 3rd offer ? If we’ve turned down £30 million are we really going to go for a restructured deal with one more million when the release clause is £50 million. West Ham can’t afford him.

[MACCA]

Dont think playing around with the add ons and installments is helping them too much.

35m cash in the bank now, a few add ons upto 40, and he will probably be allowed to talk to them.

They're getting desperate, and will probably go down either way so add ons may not get hit.
We need cash in the bank to reinvest in the team now.

Think the number of CB we sign may tell us all we need to know.

We were apparently very close to agreeing a fee last week, but all disappeared.

[NewClaret]

We’ve rejected a £31m bid this morning. £25m up front, £6m in add-ons.

Apparently it is “significantly” under our valuation of the player.

Well done Board for sticking to our guns.

[bfcjg]

Weigh it up against the cost of relegation. West Ham dont sign him and they are relegation fodder so then its 2 from 3 to drop.
If we are to sell him it has to be for a lot more and a team that wont flirt with relegation.

[CFS]

He ain't worth £31m that is madness if I were them id go and sign a young upcoming CB.

[Lancasterclaret]

This is getting to the stage where it looks pretty obvious he's going btw.

If it gets any closer to £40 million then we have to look at it.

[Swizzlestick]

You're right, he's worth more.

Leeds were offering upwards of £25m for Ben White, who hadn't even played a PL game. Tarkowski is an experienced, top class PL defender now. Pay the clause or move on.

[CFS]

You're right, he's worth more.

Leeds were offering upwards of £25m for Ben White, who hadn't even played a PL game. Tarkowski is an experienced, top class PL defender now. Pay the clause or move on.

Top class is pushing it.

[Hibsclaret]

Nonsense bid....I thought 30 had been rejected and they offer 31.....the price is 50m....

Next time I’m in a shop I’ll offer 60% of the price and see what happens

[dsr]

Dont think playing around with the add ons and installments is helping them too much.

35m cash in the bank now, a few add ons upto 40, and he will probably be allowed to talk to them.

They're getting desperate, and will probably go down either way so add ons may not get hit.
We need cash in the bank to reinvest in the team now.

Think the number of CB we sign may tell us all we need to know.

We were apparently very close to agreeing a fee last week, but all disappeared.

Selling Tarkowski isn't going to help reinvest in the team. How does it work? We get net £23m or so for selling him and immediately look to buy another centre half as good or better for that money. If £23m was enough to sign a top class centre half and one or two more first team players as well, we would have already done it.

[dsr]

Top class is pushing it.

Pushing it how far? Unless the definition of "top class" is restricted to those good enough to be first choice for Liverpool and Man City, I think he's up there.

Remember one organisation put him in the "pick of Europe" side last season. Based on statistics it may be; I wouldn't put him that high myself. But he is in the conversation.

[Bigvince]

£270,000 of that extra £1m would go to Brentford, do they really think an extra £730,000 would make the difference?

[NewClaret]

£270,000 of that extra £1m would go to Brentford, do they really think an extra £730,000 would make the difference?

Think it’s the make up of what is guaranteed and what is in add-ons.

What is clear is that they are reaching the upper limits of their bidding and we are not accepting. Hope the publicly “move on” now.

[MACCA]

Selling Tarkowski isn't going to help reinvest in the team. How does it work? We get net £23m or so for selling him and immediately look to buy another centre half as good or better for that money. If £23m was enough to sign a top class centre half and one or two more first team players as well, we would have already done it.

That's if we even have 23m now to spend, however if like you suggest we do, selling Tarky could make a transfer fund of around 40m+ , that is easily 2 or 3 players in fees, wages of those are not a concern as Lennon, Hart, Hendrick, Gibson and Tarky wages must be pushing 200k per week if not more

Dawson and worrall could be signed for a combined 20m if we so wish. Forest want 12m, we offered 6m. I think somewhere in between would get him.

Then there's plenty of wages and cash for another player or 2.

Squad rebuilt.

Obviously it's not as easy as that, but fag packet maths and selling Tarky could quite easily help a mini squad build.

[NewClaret]

Selling Tarkowski isn't going to help reinvest in the team. How does it work? We get net £23m or so for selling him and immediately look to buy another centre half as good or better for that money. If £23m was enough to sign a top class centre half and one or two more first team players as well, we would have already done it.

Don’t think it’s even that good. As I understand the situation, we pay 27.5% to Brentford, so, of the £25m up front in the latest bid, we’d get £18m.

Forest allegedly want £12m for Worrell so, assuming for a moment they’d hold on for their valuation if they knew we’d sold Tarks, we’d have a player with no PL experience and £6m in the bank to strengthen elsewhere. Laughable.

For £18m, plus whatever we got in add-ons down the line (minus 27.5%), I’d rather we kept Tarks for two years and let him go on a free. The money we’d earn from staying in the PL over two seasons would far outweigh the fee we’d receive.

[MACCA]

For £18m, plus whatever we got in add-ons down the line (minus 27.5%), I’d rather we kept Tarks for two years and let him go on a free. The money we’d earn from staying in the PL over two seasons would far outweigh the fee we’d receive.

Which is ok should the player want to stay.

Rumours were Tarky has asked to be able to speak to a couple of clubs, and wants notifying of bids off interested parties.

West Ham wouldn't be bidding so often if they didnt already have incouragment off the player/agent of at very least him being open to discussing terms.

[Woodleyclaret]

Kevin "Marmite " Long " is one of my all time favourite players
Always gives his all for the team and I am reminded of Mike Duff in fans attitude towards one of our players .Often Mike was criticised but after his dance at Wembley became everyone's favourite player

[warksclaret]

Seems via Lancashire Live that there has been no increased , or third bid

[NewClaret]

Which is ok should the player want to stay.

Rumours were Tarky has asked to be able to speak to a couple of clubs, and wants notifying of bids off interested parties.

West Ham wouldn't be bidding so often if they didnt already have incouragment off the player/agent of at very least him being open to discussing terms.

I probably have a different take on it. I see it that players sign contracts and should be willing to honour them. We have no responsibility to sell, save if release clauses in the contract are met, or our valuation is reached. Likewise, the player has no obligation to stay beyond it. For that reason, no issues with what Jeff did - good luck to him.

This year Tarks has a potential push for the Euro's, so I can't see why he would sulk or be unprofessional if he stayed. Ditto the following year he would have the prospect of a multimillion £ signing on fee, so you'd imagine he'd still have a motivation to maintain his form.

Agree that Tarks/his agent must've offered some encouragement to WHU. They may have just done so to develop the media attention/bidding war though. And it's not as if external interest is harmful in negotiating new contracts at Burnley.

I would sit down with him and say the valuation is £50m, we won't stand in your way if a top club comes in but a "direct rival" like WHU with a low offer is not going to tempt us. I'm sure he'd understand that. Then I'd offer him a big new contract with a similar release clause, so he is earning more and has some security. If he doesn't want to sign that, fair enough, let it run out. Two more years in the Prem during these times is worth a lot more than we would receive.

[buzzclarets79]

I probably have a different take on it. I see it that players sign contracts and should be willing to honour them. We have no responsibility to sell, save if release clauses in the contract are met, or our valuation is reached. Likewise, the player has no obligation to stay beyond it. For that reason, no issues with what Jeff did - good luck to him.

This year Tarks has a potential push for the Euro's, so I can't see why he would sulk or be unprofessional if he stayed. Ditto the following year he would have the prospect of a multimillion £ signing on fee, so you'd imagine he'd still have a motivation to maintain his form.

Agree that Tarks/his agent must've offered some encouragement to WHU. They may have just done so to develop the media attention/bidding war though. And it's not as if external interest is harmful in negotiating new contracts at Burnley.

I would sit down with him and say the valuation is £50m, we won't stand in your way if a top club comes in but a "direct rival" like WHU with a low offer is not going to tempt us. I'm sure he'd understand that. Then I'd offer him a big new contract with a similar release clause, so he is earning more and has some security. If he doesn't want to sign that, fair enough, let it run out. Two more years in the Prem during these times is worth a lot more than we would receive.

Hard to disagree with any of the above, certainly like to think we'd offered him a good contract renewal, even with a clause in it, if we aren't going to do much business in the market for whatever reason its important to protect what we have, given the outgoings in terms of wages, you'd like to think we could offer an attractive extenstion even if its 12 months, so a new 3yr deal

[Local cricketer]

Seems via Lancashire Live that there has been no increased , or third bid

Cant say that on here

[warksclaret]

Hi New Claret-agree with what you say.We often forget the importance of being contracted to the club. If I knew discussions between the player/manager/club & chairman had gone on in the way you have outlined I would be extremely happy. Be interesting-just like last Friday, to see if the player starts tonight. If not that throws out a dangerous signal

[claretblue]

Sky just reported that West Ham have had a further bid of £31M rejected.
This offer comprised £25M up front with add-ons

said previous was £30M (£20M up front with add ons)

[joey13]

So what’s the Liverpool link to Tarkowski , anyone ? Mentioned on Sky

[Zlatan]

So what’s the Liverpool link to anyone ? Mentioned on Sky

Purely Chinese whispers I believe.

Posted on this forum a day or so back was a thread about Burnley Express headline being misleading by mentioning Tarkowski and Liverpool signing a midfielder (not Tarkowski); then follows up on Facebook that the rumour is Tarkowski is having a medical at Liverpool based on rumour read on here; then I saw the same on twitter - obviously someone at Sky Sports thinks there’s enough in it to make the rumour worth mentioning - if that’s what you meant...

[joey13]

Purely Chinese whispers I believe.

Posted on this forum a day or so back was a thread about Burnley Express headline being misleading by mentioning Tarkowski and Liverpool signing a midfielder (not Tarkowski); then follows up on Facebook that the rumour is Tarkowski is having a medical at Liverpool based on rumour read on here; then I saw the same on twitter - obviously someone at Sky Sports thinks there’s enough in it to make the rumour worth mentioning - if that’s what you meant...

Who knows, Stelling said he’d seen a report linking him to Liverpool ,could well be that nonsense

[Zlatan]

Who knows, Stelling said he’d seen a report linking him to Liverpool ,could well be that nonsense

If Liverpool are truly interested they can have him for £100M...

[taio]

If Liverpool are truly interested they can have him for £100M...

They can have him for £50m if the release clause is true.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

So what’s the Liverpool link to Tarkowski , anyone ? Mentioned on Sky

We do have a number of fans who like to spread rumours around on social media to see how far they can get it to go, usually on deadline day.
Wouldn't be surprised if this is one of theirs though.

[Grumps]

We do have a number of fans who like to spread rumours around on social media to see how far they can get it to go, usually on deadline day.
Wouldn't be surprised if this is one of theirs though.

Burnley express started it with the click bait headline. Several west ham fans tweeted tarks was off to Liverpool by just reading that headline, and before you know it it's national news.