New Lockdown

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Re: New Lockdown

Post by NottsClaret » Wed Sep 23, 2020 3:45 pm

Remember the first time, and we were saying our lockdown wasn't a proper lockdown, not like the Spanish.

And now we're trying to not end up like the Spanish. But hopefully get our rate down closer to where the Swedes are, who were terrible.

6 months really is a long time.

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Re: New Lockdown

Post by CombatClaret » Wed Sep 23, 2020 4:04 pm

Johnson before:
"Test and trace can be a real game changer for us"
Matt Handcock before:
"Finding where people who test positive are is the single most important thing we can do to stop the spread of the virus"

Johnson yesterday
"Testing and tracing has very little, or nothing to do with the spread or transition of the virus.

Liars and charlatans who will say whatever they want because it suits them.
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Re: New Lockdown

Post by Bigbopper » Wed Sep 23, 2020 6:18 pm

If we want reasons the virus is on the increase look no further than

The thousands who flocked to the beach every time the sun came out.

The thousands on the streets at BLM demonstrations and counterdemonstrations.

Football fans celebrating promotions and title wins

People attending large scale unauthorised music events.

My main critiscm of the government is that they should have brought the troops in to support the police and made mass arrest s and put these people in ready prepared detention camps.Those detained should have been given basic shelter,limited food and water and left to get on with it.No need to track and trace you know where they are.Most survive some not so fortunate but they brought it on themselves.

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Re: New Lockdown

Post by Spijed » Wed Sep 23, 2020 6:22 pm

Bigbopper wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 6:18 pm
If we want reasons the virus is on the increase look no further than

The thousands who flocked to the beach every time the sun came out.

The thousands on the streets at BLM demonstrations and counterdemonstrations.

Football fans celebrating promotions and title wins

People attending large scale unauthorised music events.

My main critiscm of the government is that they should have brought the troops in to support the police and made mass arrest s and put these people in ready prepared detention camps.Those detained should have been given basic shelter,limited food and water and left to get on with it.No need to track and trace you know where they are.Most survive some not so fortunate but they brought it on themselves.
I suppose if everyone had stuck to the guidelines we'd now have got rid of the virus?

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Re: New Lockdown

Post by CombatClaret » Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:12 pm

Bigbopper wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 6:18 pm
If we want reasons the virus is on the increase look no further than

The thousands who flocked to the beach every time the sun came out.

The thousands on the streets at BLM demonstrations and counterdemonstrations.

Football fans celebrating promotions and title wins

People attending large scale unauthorised music events.
Your theory seems to be 'look to the front page of The Sun from a month ago'.

The spike has come now when we've actively started putting people back in rooms together be it work, school, weddings etc. At the same time and in part due to this people have subconsciously relaxed and started expanding their social bubbles.

EDIT: just read the second part about detention camps etc then looked at account info. Didn't realize you're either a troll or a parody account.

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Re: New Lockdown

Post by CombatClaret » Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:15 pm

A member of the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage), who did not wish to be named, told the Guardian that
“the scientific advice is that stronger restrictions should apply overall”

Apparent for a while but again clear we are no longer 'Following the science'.

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Re: New Lockdown

Post by DCWat » Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:17 pm

CombatClaret wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:15 pm
A member of the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage), who did not wish to be named, told the Guardian that
“the scientific advice is that stronger restrictions should apply overall”

Apparent for a while but again clear we are no longer 'Following the science'.
If only it was as simple as to just follow the science.

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Re: New Lockdown

Post by FulledgeClaret » Wed Sep 23, 2020 8:10 pm

Granny WeatherWax wrote:
Fri Sep 18, 2020 7:32 am
Looks like we are possibly heading towards some form of national measures again, so not only are the selfish people who won’t follow the rules risking spreading the virus they also now risking our liberties again.
Its the same selfish ones ******* and whinging about having their liberties infringed upon and that its some sort of worldwide hoax to control the masses.

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Re: New Lockdown

Post by dsr » Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:33 pm

CombatClaret wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:15 pm
A member of the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage), who did not wish to be named, told the Guardian that
“the scientific advice is that stronger restrictions should apply overall”

Apparent for a while but again clear we are no longer 'Following the science'.
Economics is a science as well, you know.

There is no triumph in saving the lives of 50,000 if you kill 51,000 to do it. If the economy suffers a permanent 20% hit, do you think the NHS will be as good at saving lives as it is now? (Or at least, as it was last year?)
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Re: New Lockdown

Post by martin_p » Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:37 pm

dsr wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:33 pm
Economics is a science as well, you know.

There is no triumph in saving the lives of 50,000 if you kill 51,000 to do it. If the economy suffers a permanent 20% hit, do you think the NHS will be as good at saving lives as it is now? (Or at least, as it was last year?)
A recent LSE report stated that the long term impact on the economy of no deal Brexit is likely to be at least twice as bad as that of Covid but you don’t seem to have a problem with that.

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Re: New Lockdown

Post by dsr » Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:55 pm

martin_p wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:37 pm
A recent LSE report stated that the long term impact on the economy of no deal Brexit is likely to be at least twice as bad as that of Covid but you don’t seem to have a problem with that.
Not sure of the relevance to a coronavirus thread.

Haven;t we a Brexit thread for you to do Brexit sniping on?

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Re: New Lockdown

Post by Quicknick » Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:35 am

Spijed wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 6:22 pm
I suppose if everyone had stuck to the guidelines we'd now have got rid of the virus?
Of course we wouldn't as it's not controllable. Countries who have had the best record ''locking people down'' are experiencing the biggest upsurge in ''cases'', although just how many of our new ''cases'' are false positives is the question that the government seem to be in denial over.

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Re: New Lockdown

Post by martin_p » Thu Sep 24, 2020 7:26 am

dsr wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:55 pm
Not sure of the relevance to a coronavirus thread.

Haven;t we a Brexit thread for you to do Brexit sniping on?
It’s entirely relevant when you’ve been saying for the last four years, in the face of forecasts of post Brexit economic downturn, that some things are worth a hit to the economy. Yet saving lives for half the hit on the economy doesn’t seem important to you. Inconsistency or the cult of Brexit trumping life itself?

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Re: New Lockdown

Post by martin_p » Thu Sep 24, 2020 7:27 am

Quicknick wrote:
Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:35 am
Of course we wouldn't as it's not controllable. Countries who have had the best record ''locking people down'' are experiencing the biggest upsurge in ''cases'', although just how many of our new ''cases'' are false positives is the question that the government seem to be in denial over.
How many of our new cases are ‘false positives’ then?

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Re: New Lockdown

Post by TheFamilyCat » Thu Sep 24, 2020 7:39 am

Matt Hancock doing another good impression of a man who doesn't know what he's doing on BBC Breakfast.

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Re: New Lockdown

Post by MDWat » Thu Sep 24, 2020 7:41 am

I very, very rarely comment on politics on here but Matt Hancock is a complete bellwipe.

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Re: New Lockdown

Post by martin_p » Thu Sep 24, 2020 7:42 am

By the way, the NHS Covid-19 tracing app is available to download today. The concerns people had about the data security of the first, abandoned, version of this app have been addressed. The best chance the app has of helping slow the spread of the virus is lots of people using it so if you have a smartphone I’d urge people to download it.
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Re: New Lockdown

Post by Zlatan » Thu Sep 24, 2020 7:50 am

martin_p wrote:
Thu Sep 24, 2020 7:42 am
By the way, the NHS Covid-19 tracing app is available to download today. The concerns people had about the data security of the first, abandoned, version of this app have been addressed. The best chance the app has of helping slow the spread of the virus is lots of people using it so if you have a smartphone I’d urge people to download it.
I'll echo what martin_p has said - please download it, it is secure, it doesn't not transmit any personal data to the government (like the first failed app did). This could be a game changer to coin a well used phrase.

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Re: New Lockdown

Post by bfcmik » Fri Sep 25, 2020 12:10 am

The Northern Powerhouse area, along with the North-East, is definitely the main hotspot in new cases between the 14th & 20th September. Over half of all English positive tests were in those areas. Reedley Ward, with 53 positive tests, is the 2nd worst in England after Levenshulme (54) in south Manchester!
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Re: New Lockdown

Post by bfcmik » Fri Sep 25, 2020 12:21 am

Where the UK stands in relation to EU&EEA member states over the 14 days between 10th and 24th September
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Re: New Lockdown

Post by dsr » Fri Sep 25, 2020 12:45 am

The number of cases per 100,000 is useless for comparison purposes unless they say how many tests have been done. The number of people admitted to hospital and the number of deaths are much more comparable.

Out of interest, and please no-one read anything into this question, but we have been told all along that BAME people are more vulnerable to this disease. So they know how many of the positive tests are of BAME people?

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Re: New Lockdown

Post by Loyalclaret » Fri Sep 25, 2020 8:51 am

Wonder if this is how they believe BAME community are more vulnerable, imagine this would be recorded?
" The number of people admitted to hospital and the number of deaths are much more comparable"

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Re: New Lockdown

Post by mkmel » Fri Sep 25, 2020 9:05 am

TheFamilyCat wrote:
Thu Sep 24, 2020 7:39 am
Matt Hancock doing another good impression of a man who doesn't know what he's doing on BBC Breakfast.
Replace the name Matt Hancock with Boris Johnson or Gavin Williamson and you get the same result

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