Bigbopper wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 23, 2020 6:18 pm

If we want reasons the virus is on the increase look no further than

The thousands who flocked to the beach every time the sun came out.

The thousands on the streets at BLM demonstrations and counterdemonstrations.

Football fans celebrating promotions and title wins

People attending large scale unauthorised music events.

My main critiscm of the government is that they should have brought the troops in to support the police and made mass arrest s and put these people in ready prepared detention camps.Those detained should have been given basic shelter,limited food and water and left to get on with it.No need to track and trace you know where they are.Most survive some not so fortunate but they brought it on themselves.

Bigbopper wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 23, 2020 6:18 pm

If we want reasons the virus is on the increase look no further than

The thousands who flocked to the beach every time the sun came out.

The thousands on the streets at BLM demonstrations and counterdemonstrations.

Football fans celebrating promotions and title wins

People attending large scale unauthorised music events.

CombatClaret wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:15 pm

A member of the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage), who did not wish to be named, told the Guardian that
“the scientific advice is that stronger restrictions should apply overall”

Apparent for a while but again clear we are no longer 'Following the science'.

Granny WeatherWax wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 18, 2020 7:32 am

Looks like we are possibly heading towards some form of national measures again, so not only are the selfish people who won’t follow the rules risking spreading the virus they also now risking our liberties again.

CombatClaret wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:15 pm

A member of the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage), who did not wish to be named, told the Guardian that
“the scientific advice is that stronger restrictions should apply overall”

Apparent for a while but again clear we are no longer 'Following the science'.

dsr wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:33 pm

Economics is a science as well, you know.

There is no triumph in saving the lives of 50,000 if you kill 51,000 to do it. If the economy suffers a permanent 20% hit, do you think the NHS will be as good at saving lives as it is now? (Or at least, as it was last year?)

martin_p wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:37 pm

A recent LSE report stated that the long term impact on the economy of no deal Brexit is likely to be at least twice as bad as that of Covid but you don’t seem to have a problem with that.

Spijed wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 23, 2020 6:22 pm

I suppose if everyone had stuck to the guidelines we'd now have got rid of the virus?

dsr wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:55 pm

Not sure of the relevance to a coronavirus thread.

Haven;t we a Brexit thread for you to do Brexit sniping on?

Quicknick wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:35 am

Of course we wouldn't as it's not controllable. Countries who have had the best record ''locking people down'' are experiencing the biggest upsurge in ''cases'', although just how many of our new ''cases'' are false positives is the question that the government seem to be in denial over.

martin_p wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 24, 2020 7:42 am

By the way, the NHS Covid-19 tracing app is available to download today. The concerns people had about the data security of the first, abandoned, version of this app have been addressed. The best chance the app has of helping slow the spread of the virus is lots of people using it so if you have a smartphone I’d urge people to download it.

TheFamilyCat wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 24, 2020 7:39 am

Matt Hancock doing another good impression of a man who doesn't know what he's doing on BBC Breakfast.

mealdeal wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 17, 2020 7:40 pm

I'll have 50p with you that there won't

Grumps wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 17, 2020 7:44 pm

I'll up it to 50quid....no way they will impose national lockdown

ClaretAndJew wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:45 am

Get your money out Grumps

Grumps wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:53 am

You said "before long".... That was on the 17th Sept... I think you're out of time to claim anything now.

CrosspoolClarets wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:06 am

I’m getting really sick of seeing Covid death figures everywhere, on the media, in conversation.

It totally blindsides other deaths (and ill health or misery). If suicides go up by 5,000 (not implausible) that is about 200,000 years of life lost. The average age of a Covid death is 82, in all probability another 50,000 Covid deaths will also be around 200,000 years of life lost (many would only have had weeks to live anyway, others a decade or two). Then we factor in delayed treatment for cancers, worsening long lasting morbidity (as opposed to mortality), alzeimers.......

Every loss of life is tragic, but those of us making health policy decisions have to factor in the whole picture - I don’t see evidence that SAGE are doing that, nor Cabinet. A set of failures (starting with the PM, but permeating all the way down into the civil service and to many of us as citizens who have failed to adhere) has led to very bad options - but it’s disingenuous to suggest lockdown is the only one, and SAGE should have been challenged more strongly to model equivalent graphs and tables for other elements, such as what I suggest above. Their role should be to maximise health and wellbeing, with Covid obviously the main variable but not the only one.

Sadly I come to the conclusion that few of them are up to it - the PM (hasn’t put big hitters around him), Cabinet (too many sycophants), the opposition (lack of creative alternatives presented, too keen to sling mud), many on SAGE (lack of focus on wider health), civil service (famous Excel file with a 65000 row limit etc)......doesn’t fill me with hope for 2021.

Grumps wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:53 am

You said "before long".... That was on the 17th Sept... I think you're out of time to claim anything now.

ClaretAndJew wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:24 am

But.. you said there is no way they will impose national lockdown, you didn't provide a time scale

CrosspoolClarets wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:06 am

I’m getting really sick of seeing Covid death figures everywhere, on the media, in conversation.

It totally blindsides other deaths (and ill health or misery). If suicides go up by 5,000 (not implausible) that is about 200,000 years of life lost. The average age of a Covid death is 82, in all probability another 50,000 Covid deaths will also be around 200,000 years of life lost (many would only have had weeks to live anyway, others a decade or two). Then we factor in delayed treatment for cancers, worsening long lasting morbidity (as opposed to mortality), alzeimers.......

Every loss of life is tragic, but those of us making health policy decisions have to factor in the whole picture - I don’t see evidence that SAGE are doing that, nor Cabinet. A set of failures (starting with the PM, but permeating all the way down into the civil service and to many of us as citizens who have failed to adhere) has led to very bad options - but it’s disingenuous to suggest lockdown is the only one, and SAGE should have been challenged more strongly to model equivalent graphs and tables for other elements, such as what I suggest above. Their role should be to maximise health and wellbeing, with Covid obviously the main variable but not the only one.

Sadly I come to the conclusion that few of them are up to it - the PM (hasn’t put big hitters around him), Cabinet (too many sycophants), the opposition (lack of creative alternatives presented, too keen to sling mud), many on SAGE (lack of focus on wider health), civil service (famous Excel file with a 65000 row limit etc)......doesn’t fill me with hope for 2021.