Dwight ... one trick Pony ?

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Dwight ... one trick Pony ?

Post by SaigonClaret » Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:47 am

Lets face it, all our opponents are aware of how totally one footed Dwight is and that if they block that channel between touchline and defender then he inevitable turns 180 ° and plays the ball backwrads.
Posession is maintainef but any 'go forward' is lost.
I see no signs of Dwight coming up with a Plan B.
I can only imagine we will only see Dwight cause defences problems again if he moves inside or plays on the right.
Prove me wrong Dwight.
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Re: Dwight ... one trick Pony ?

Post by The Enclosure » Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:48 am

Hmmmmm

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Re: Dwight ... one trick Pony ?

Post by dushanbe » Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:49 am

Doesn't take long does it
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Re: Dwight ... one trick Pony ?

Post by huw.Y.WattfromWare » Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:51 am

He’s not been the same with the cast on his wrist. He’s still been better than the OP is suggesting.

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Re: Dwight ... one trick Pony ?

Post by ClaretTony » Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:51 am

What was it James Tarkowski said about him? "We know he's all left foot but we still can't see him."

What I see is a young lad who, while having some quiet and disappointing games, as he did at Leicester, is an absolutely outstanding talent.

I bet Brian Miller, Alex Elder and Gordon Harris would have a laugh about suggesting he has limitations because of him being all left foot.

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Re: Dwight ... one trick Pony ?

Post by ClaretAndBlue94 » Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:53 am

The same Mcneil that had a brilliant breakthrough season last season ?

We have played 1 game. Away at Leicester. With a depleted team.

Honestly..
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Re: Dwight ... one trick Pony ?

Post by Darthlaw » Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:54 am

He's left footed and therefore a target for the numbnuts element of our fanbase.

I think its often referred to as suffering from StephanJordanism

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Re: Dwight ... one trick Pony ?

Post by KRBFC » Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:57 am

Is Mcneil the new Hendrick on here? How fans can criticise the main source of our attacking threat is mind blowing to me.
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Re: Dwight ... one trick Pony ?

Post by KRBFC » Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:58 am

As for being a one trick pony, that’s not a bad thing. Arjen Robben was one of the most one footed players I have ever seen and still nobody could stop him.

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Re: Dwight ... one trick Pony ?

Post by Papabendi » Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:58 am

ClaretAndBlue94 wrote:
Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:53 am
The same Mcneil that had a brilliant breakthrough season last season ?

We have played 1 game. Away at Leicester. With a depleted team.

Honestly..
Breakthrough was the season before. Can't say I have seen much from him since early in the year to suggest he is a top top talent - merely a good one operating at a reasonable level in the Premier League.
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Re: Dwight ... one trick Pony ?

Post by SaigonClaret » Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:58 am

Well I hope you are not including me in that phrase.
Ie numbnuts

As you really not concerned about Dwights diminishing effectiveness ?

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Re: Dwight ... one trick Pony ?

Post by SaigonClaret » Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:58 am

Well I hope you are not including me in that phrase.
Ie numbnuts

As you really not concerned about Dwights diminishing effectiveness ?

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Re: Dwight ... one trick Pony ?

Post by SaigonClaret » Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:59 am

I base my opinion on his performances sinve lockdown

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Re: Dwight ... one trick Pony ?

Post by Papabendi » Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:02 am

KRBFC wrote:
Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:58 am
As for being a one trick pony, that’s not a bad thing. Arjen Robben was one of the most one footed players I have ever seen and still nobody could stop him.
that's because he had blistering pace.

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Re: Dwight ... one trick Pony ?

Post by expoultryboy » Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:03 am

Papa : are you really a claret ? All you do is criticise the club and it's players .

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Re: Dwight ... one trick Pony ?

Post by SaigonClaret » Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:03 am

Maradona was totally one footed as well as Robben

They found ways to perform at the highest level


But we are talking about Dwight
I dont think its happening for him and hasn't been for some time

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Re: Dwight ... one trick Pony ?

Post by SaigonClaret » Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:03 am

Maradona was totally one footed as well as Robben

They found ways to perform at the highest level


But we are talking about Dwight
I dont think its happening for him and hasn't been for some time

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Re: Dwight ... one trick Pony ?

Post by FactualFrank » Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:04 am

Most professional footballers seem to be only one-footed, especially wingers.

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Re: Dwight ... one trick Pony ?

Post by Granny WeatherWax » Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:05 am

what an absolute $hithouse of a thread.

Pathetic.
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Re: Dwight ... one trick Pony ?

Post by Quickenthetempo » Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:07 am

It's sad to say but I think Dwight needs a move to progress his career.

With the right hand side of our team being so poor (when JBG is out) and the central midfield never dominating games. It's quite easy to mark him out of games and most teams double up on him.

Another thing to think about is the emergence of so many good right backs recently, compare that to England not selecting a left back?
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Re: Dwight ... one trick Pony ?

Post by Papabendi » Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:08 am

expoultryboy wrote:
Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:03 am
Papa : are you really a claret ? All you do is criticise the club and it's players .
A fan and I like McNeil. Nothing wrong with pointing out that his form in 2020 hasn't been so good. For the all the fuss and fanfare Burnley fans (mainy) make about Dwight - top top talents dominate games. Not always - but sometimes. It is not clear for me that Dwight has the skill set for that but I do see him having a good career at the top level.
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Re: Dwight ... one trick Pony ?

Post by SaigonClaret » Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:10 am

I see a number of posters gave Dwight a 4 in the Players Ratngs
If a player is poor then he deserves some scrutiny
and even some criticism.

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Re: Dwight ... one trick Pony ?

Post by warksclaret » Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:16 am

I think he has been under instruction from SD to play deeper, track back, and not 'lose possession. It coincided with us not losing many games. His stamina has grown and he is better at shielding the ball-this at the expense of him tugging the touch line and generally getting the better of the fullback

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Re: Dwight ... one trick Pony ?

Post by SaigonClaret » Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:19 am

That well may be part of it warks and might explain his general air of slight disengagement at times.
Its not a role natural to him.

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Re: Dwight ... one trick Pony ?

Post by fatboy47 » Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:20 am

An outstanding talent, and the most exciting youngster at the Turf since the days of James and Thomas....both of whom had their off days as youngsters.

Some of the dim goons posting on here need to get a grip...really.

This young lad is something very special.
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Re: Dwight ... one trick Pony ?

Post by claretblue » Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:27 am

...one hellava trick though! 8-)
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Re: Dwight ... one trick Pony ?

Post by Conroysleftfoot » Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:32 am

Foden plays totally with his left foot. McNeil is only 20 and has had to carry the bulk of our attacking threat since he came into the side. Give the kid abreak.

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Re: Dwight ... one trick Pony ?

Post by SaigonClaret » Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:36 am

It's not about giving him a break.
I want him to be better, more effective.
And I dont see it as things are.

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Re: Dwight ... one trick Pony ?

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:37 am

11 posts in 4.5 years... 9 on this thread having a go at McNeil




Only on a Burnley forum

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Re: Dwight ... one trick Pony ?

Post by KRBFC » Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:39 am

SaigonClaret wrote:
Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:03 am
Maradona was totally one footed as well as Robben

They found ways to perform at the highest level


But we are talking about Dwight
I dont think its happening for him and hasn't been for some time
I don’t think Mcneil will get anywhere close to the level of those two but he’s a very good player for us.
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Re: Dwight ... one trick Pony ?

Post by SaigonClaret » Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:40 am

I am not having a go at McNeil

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Re: Dwight ... one trick Pony ?

Post by SGr » Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:41 am

Diminishing effectiveness as you put it because every opposition team knows he’s literally the only creative threat we have aside from the Westwood set-piece. When they plan to play Burnley, they plan for him.

This has been a problem for some time but we’ve failed to fix it.
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Re: Dwight ... one trick Pony ?

Post by SaigonClaret » Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:43 am

Have you not been a part of a team ?

Have you never tried to make your team more effective ?

Diifficult to do without plain speaking.

Seems like you are the one having a go.

At me !

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Re: Dwight ... one trick Pony ?

Post by MACCA » Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:45 am

SaigonClaret wrote:
Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:03 am
Maradona was totally one footed as well as Robben

They found ways to perform at the highest level

But I think with all of the cameras at grounds in today's games, theyd lick up on the handballs....
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Re: Dwight ... one trick Pony ?

Post by tim_noone » Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:59 am

While he isn't a one trick pony...neither his he worth upwards of 50million. People do get carried away on here sometimes..... :roll:

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Re: Dwight ... one trick Pony ?

Post by ClaretLoup » Tue Sep 22, 2020 12:00 pm

Didn’t look like a one trick pony when he ran the game at Crystal Palace

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Re: Dwight ... one trick Pony ?

Post by SaigonClaret » Tue Sep 22, 2020 12:05 pm

Was he playing more central then ?
I cant remember.

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Re: Dwight ... one trick Pony ?

Post by ClaretTony » Tue Sep 22, 2020 12:07 pm

ClaretLoup wrote:
Tue Sep 22, 2020 12:00 pm
Didn’t look like a one trick pony when he ran the game at Crystal Palace
Nor several other games and he was absolutely standout in the home win against Bournemouth back in Feb.

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Re: Dwight ... one trick Pony ?

Post by SaigonClaret » Tue Sep 22, 2020 12:11 pm

Since lockdown I fail to see the talent we saw when he first come on the scene.

And that concerns me

Thars all.

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Re: Dwight ... one trick Pony ?

Post by BurnleyFC » Tue Sep 22, 2020 12:14 pm

Give the lad a break. He’s young, inexperienced and learning his way in the game but is still a class act.

He’s pivotal to this team.
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Re: Dwight ... one trick Pony ?

Post by Conroysleftfoot » Tue Sep 22, 2020 12:15 pm

He is only 20 years old. If you remember Sean warned everybody that his form could be up and down. I'm not saying he is a world beater i just think he's the best YOUNG player we have had in a while.

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Re: Dwight ... one trick Pony ?

Post by Burnley1989 » Tue Sep 22, 2020 12:17 pm

I also agree he's not a 50m player, but respect the opinions of those that do. He's certainly a good premier league midfielder and the best we have, we will struggle to replace him when he does eventually move on

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Re: Dwight ... one trick Pony ?

Post by ClaretLoup » Tue Sep 22, 2020 12:17 pm

SaigonClaret wrote:
Tue Sep 22, 2020 12:05 pm
Was he playing more central then ?
I cant remember.
Perhaps you also nodded off when he centred the ball from the touch line right on to Dunne’s head for the second goal?

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Re: Dwight ... one trick Pony ?

Post by dandeclaret » Tue Sep 22, 2020 12:18 pm

SaigonClaret wrote:
Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:10 am
I see a number of posters gave Dwight a 4 in the Players Ratngs
If a player is poor then he deserves some scrutiny
and even some criticism.
There is a difference between rating him in a single game, and writing him off as a "One Trick Pony". It's surely not that hard to understand why you've received some of the comments you have?

I wonder if Man United forums had threads when a young David Beckham went through quiet spells, bemoaning his one footedness?

I suspect in time Dwight will play in central midfield, and at 20 years old, and with 61 games under his belt, is still learning the game. Patience is a virtue, and let's see where he ends up.

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Re: Dwight ... one trick Pony ?

Post by daveisaclaret » Tue Sep 22, 2020 12:18 pm

The OP thinks McNeil is a one trick pony based on performances since the lockdown but doesn't remember him being the best player on the field playing central midfield at Palace. Makes you think I guess

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Re: Dwight ... one trick Pony ?

Post by Tribesmen » Tue Sep 22, 2020 12:18 pm

One poor game and this thread .

If he has an outstanding game on Saturday i am sure someone will say he is worth 80 milion

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Re: Dwight ... one trick Pony ?

Post by ashtonlongsider » Tue Sep 22, 2020 12:18 pm

Can't believe some of the comments I've read on here regarding the best prospect we've produced since goodness knows when. Dwight might not have blistering pace and he is more heavily marked now his reputation is rising. Something he is going to have to address. I know i'll get shot down, but for me I'd play DMc either in a roaming midfield role along the lines that Grealish does or in the No10 position. I think thats the least his talent deserves.

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Re: Dwight ... one trick Pony ?

Post by dibraidio » Tue Sep 22, 2020 12:23 pm

When Dwight runs into the corner and plays the ball back to Taylor that creates the opportunity for him to ping in some great crosses. Rather than take on two defenders passing it back to an unmarked Taylor is surely a better option? That's exactly what happened for the first goal against Leicester.
He also put in a great ball for Dunne's goal so he had a "hand" in both goals.

I was more concerned about Dwight's lack of urgency in tracking back. It certainly wasn't to banks of 4 defending because Dwight was awol time and again.

He was just jogging back with Castagne totally unmarked 5-10 yards ahead of him, if he'd sprinted he could have stopped the pass to Barnes but he made no effort to get back even though it was clear that he was in acres of space and Taylor was tracking Vardy. He was the man supposed to pick up Praet for the 4th too but I think he was too late getting back, he looked like he didn't know if he should pick up Praet or Castagne but I think he late arrival gave Praet time to set himself for the shot.

As with Dunne, we need to give these young players time to develop. There were positives for both players but ultimately we conceded 4 and lost.
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Re: Dwight ... one trick Pony ?

Post by ClaretAndBlue94 » Tue Sep 22, 2020 12:32 pm

ashtonlongsider wrote:
Tue Sep 22, 2020 12:18 pm
Can't believe some of the comments I've read on here regarding the best prospect we've produced since goodness knows when. Dwight might not have blistering pace and he is more heavily marked now his reputation is rising. Something he is going to have to address. I know i'll get shot down, but for me I'd play DMc either in a roaming midfield role along the lines that Grealish does or in the No10 position. I think thats the least his talent deserves.
I have often thought this. Unfortunately, I think our sucess is completely built on the organised style we employ and we will not get the opportunity to see this.

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Re: Dwight ... one trick Pony ?

Post by Tall Paul » Tue Sep 22, 2020 12:34 pm

SGr wrote:
Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:41 am
Diminishing effectiveness as you put it because every opposition team knows he’s literally the only creative threat we have aside from the Westwood set-piece. When they plan to play Burnley, they plan for him.

This has been a problem for some time but we’ve failed to fix it.
We've lost two of our last 9 games and got 54 points last season. Doesn't seem like that big a problem.

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