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Re: Who likes Boris?

Post by KateR » Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:16 pm

LaLigaClaret wrote:
Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:05 pm
Well he did get Brexit done, sort of. Apart from that he is inept, incompetent, arrogant, indecisive, flippant and a complete a==ewipe.
so I'll put you down as a maybe then ;)

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Re: Who likes Boris?

Post by RingoMcCartney » Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:18 pm

Zlatan wrote:
Tue Sep 22, 2020 9:59 pm
Oh that old chestnut the global financial crash that Brown caused...
The electorate didnt seem to blame the global financial crash. They probably remember of Brown boasting of his "soft touch" regulation of The City, off the back of their much vaunted prawn cocktail offensive. The disastrous PFI contracts that labour threw around like confetti. The failed NHS computer failure. Etc....etc...

Isn't it funny. When it's a Labours government's handling of the economy, and running out of money, it was nothing to do with them, and entirely the fault of a global economic issue.

Yet, when it's a Tory government's handling of the economy during an unprecedented global pandemic, and running out of money, its everything to do with them, and not the fault of a global health issue!

Funny that.
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Re: Who likes Boris?

Post by diamondpocket » Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:19 pm

Sozturf7 wrote:
Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:07 pm
Godisadj. I'm with you, but your wasting your breath on here with the majority, as they have as much understanding of politics as they do about football.
yeah, your 3 contributions on this thread have been mind-boggling, amazing, out of this world, even WORLD BEATING. Your understanding of politics has been offered to the world. Exactly what have you taught us about politics and shown us where people are getting it wrong? I'd love you to tell us all.

You don't even know the difference between YOUR & YOU'RE.

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Re: Who likes Boris?

Post by Zlatan » Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:20 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:12 pm
Nah he just arrogantly stated he'd ended the boom and bust nature of the economy, so failed to ensure there were enough protective measures in place here.
Let’s bring the thread back to the titular figure instead of humouring Ringo with his deflectionisms... how do you feel about the buffoon who has managed to deceives a whole nation with his arrogant, bullish politics - you my friend have been finagled.

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Re: Who likes Boris?

Post by Zlatan » Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:22 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:
Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:18 pm
The electorate didnt seem to blame the global financial crash. They probably remember of Brown boasting of his "soft touch" regulation of The City, off the back of their much vaunted prawn cocktail offensive. The disastrous PFI contracts that labour threw around like confetti. The failed NHS computer failure. Etc....etc...

Isn't it funny. When it's a Labours government's handling of the economy, and running out of money, it was nothing to do with them, and entirely the fault of a global economic issue.

Yet, when it's a Tory government's handling of the economy during an unprecedented global pandemic, and running out of money, its everything to do with them, and not the fault of a global health issue!

Funny that.
The figures I quoted where the debt is now 3 times that of 2009 is pre Covid pal...

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Re: Who likes Boris?

Post by RingoMcCartney » Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:22 pm

Anyway, I've got some good news for Captain Hindsight fans.

Following his recent self isolation, Keir Starmer visited a local testing station and took a charisma test.












Its come back negative.

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Re: Who likes Boris?

Post by Sozturf7 » Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:22 pm

Glad YOUR paying attention.

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Re: Who likes Boris?

Post by jrgbfc » Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:23 pm

Never mind, I'm sure his "world beating" track and trace system will spring into action any day now.

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Re: Who likes Boris?

Post by LaLigaClaret » Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:23 pm

KateR wrote:
Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:16 pm
so I'll put you down as a maybe then ;)
No he is definitely an a==ewipe and I predict he will bottle it and step down as PM well before the time of the next General Election.
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Re: Who likes Boris?

Post by Sozturf7 » Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:23 pm

Glad YOUR paying attention.
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Re: Who likes Boris?

Post by RingoMcCartney » Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:27 pm

Zlatan wrote:
Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:22 pm
The figures I quoted where the debt is now 3 times that of 2009 is pre Covid pal...
Tory government debt responding to an unprecedented global pandemic - " you're to blame."

Labour debt ? - "Naffink to do wiv as Gav'na"

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Re: Who likes Boris?

Post by Zlatan » Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:32 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:
Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:27 pm
Tory government debt responding to an unprecedented global pandemic - " you're to blame."

Labour debt ? - "Naffink to do wiv as Gav'na"
You really are dense aren’t you, I knew there was a reason you were on my foe list...

I should remember “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.”

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Re: Who likes Boris?

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:39 pm

Zlatan wrote:
Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:20 pm
Let’s bring the thread back to the titular figure instead of humouring Ringo with his deflectionisms... how do you feel about the buffoon who has managed to deceives a whole nation with his arrogant, bullish politics - you my friend have been finagled.
I've already given my opinion.
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Re: Who likes Boris?

Post by Inchy » Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:40 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:
Tue Sep 22, 2020 9:45 pm
1. No recent labour government has been faced with an unprecedented global pandemic to deal with.

2. As each financial measure, has been announced.

Grants for the self employed based on their average net monthly income for the previous 3years. Then extended a further 3 months.

To build a build a 10s of 1000s patient hospitals out of bloody thin air in a matter of days.

To guarantee no evictions of tenants.

To defer MOTs

To defer business rates

Mortgage repayment holidays, for those struggling to make ends meet.

To back the majority of ALL workers wages upto 80% /£2500 ( unprecedented and according to an expert would normally take years to organise)

Then a further extension upto 70%

Push back tax demands for business/ individuals

Ordering 10s of thousands of new ventilators

Labour gave their approval each and every time. Only when things have been seen to go wrong does Captain Hindsight, Starmer , "not let a good crisis go to waste " (as his front bencher , Kate Green, disgracefully said at the weekend) as he snipes without ever saying what he would have done.

Today was a typical example. In his conference speach he stuck.the boot into Boris. Yet when it came to his role as leader of the Opposition, he compliantly gave his approval to the new measures announced., without any attempt to provide an alternative. His approval will quickly turn to finger wagging "I told you so," as it has done throughout this crisis.

Surely Boris is captain hindsight?

I don’t even listen to what Boris is saying now. I just look at what Scotland are doing and think “that will be us in two weeks”

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Re: Who likes Boris?

Post by diamondpocket » Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:59 pm

Do I like him? No!

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Re: Who likes Boris?

Post by Damo » Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:59 pm

The tories have basically implemented everything Corbyn campaigned for. Of course there will be debt.
Surprised some of you lot dislike him so much

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Re: Who likes Boris?

Post by diamondpocket » Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:03 pm

Damo wrote:
Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:59 pm
The tories have basically implemented everything Corbyn campaigned for. Of course there will be debt.
Surprised some of you lot dislike him so much
makes you wonder why Corbyn was disliked by the Cons so much then.

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Re: Who likes Boris?

Post by RingoMcCartney » Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:14 pm

Inchy wrote:
Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:40 pm
Surely Boris is captain hindsight?

I don’t even listen to what Boris is saying now. I just look at what Scotland are doing and think “that will be us in two weeks”
Is that the same Scotland with pretty much the same outcomes as England? A Scotland that when its first minister makes an announcement that's virtually identical to the PMs. Always seems to be constantly be given the Get Out of Jail Free Card , easy ride, by the MSM. The same MSM that has usually just finished crucifying Boris?

As you confirm, virtually identical approach with very similar outcomes for England and Scotland. Entirely different treatment by the MSM of their leaders.

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Re: Who likes Boris?

Post by Zlatan » Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:16 pm

Is Ringo Boris’ wig or something, they’re very attached to him

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Re: Who likes Boris?

Post by RingoMcCartney » Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:18 pm

Zlatan wrote:
Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:32 pm
You really are dense aren’t you, I knew there was a reason you were on my foe list...

I should remember “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.”

Stealing my lines! Imitation is the greatest form of flattery.

On your "foe list " yet you're chatting away nicely with me? And I'm "dense"!?

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Re: Who likes Boris?

Post by KateR » Wed Sep 23, 2020 12:33 am

I do have to say that the friends we have in Scotland depict NS as following England and then complaining, plus a lot of threads on FB saying the same, as I do realize trying to use my friends here is a very small sampling pool.

But, then again, if you have this deep seated hatred against Tories and particularly BJ then everyone is better regardless of any facts.

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Re: Who likes Boris?

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Wed Sep 23, 2020 12:43 am

Damo wrote:
Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:59 pm
The tories have basically implemented everything Corbyn campaigned for. Of course there will be debt.
Surprised some of you lot dislike him so much
They haven't done the free Internet, that's why there's so much dislike.

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Re: Who likes Boris?

Post by Zlatan » Wed Sep 23, 2020 6:25 am

RingoMcCartney wrote:
Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:18 pm
Stealing my lines! Imitation is the greatest form of flattery.

On your "foe list " yet you're chatting away nicely with me? And I'm "dense"!?
Yes, dense. That’s you, not Mark Twain as you claim (not your line)

Foe list... right back on it, so long.

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Re: Who likes Boris?

Post by BenWickes » Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:04 am

For me he's likeable. Is he a leader? Not really. However when you look at the alternatives across his own party, let alone the entire political spectrum; he was the best of a bad bunch. None remotely looked like leaders prepared to make tough decisions and stand by them regardless of popularity.
He, like all newly elected leaders; has been dealt a bum deal with Covid hitting before he even had chance to implement many, if any of his policies.
It isn't a time for points scoring though. No party or leader would have got it right in this crisis as the sands are shifting almost daily.
If we're going for likeable and a future leader. I think Jess Phillips has the will, passion, belief and sense of humour. I don't agree with her politics but think she's the strongest personality across all parties. Though I think she's a bit more left of centre than Labour would like.

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Re: Who likes Boris?

Post by mkmel » Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:06 am

RingoMcCartney wrote:
Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:22 pm
Anyway, I've got some good news for Captain Hindsight fans.

Following his recent self isolation, Keir Starmer visited a local testing station and took a charisma test.














Its come back negative.
And Johnson took a Completely out of his depth test


It's come back positive

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Re: Who likes Boris?

Post by Tall Paul » Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:21 am

lol Ringo

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Re: Who likes Boris?

Post by JohnMcGreal » Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:28 am

Really struggling to get my head around people who think he's likeable. What's there to actually like?

Putting aside his obvious inadequacy for the position he holds, on a purely human level, when you look at the things he's done in his personal life, he's a garbage human being. A really nasty and horrible person. If you knew someone like him in real life, you'd want nothing to do with him. Well I wouldn't anyway.
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Re: Who likes Boris?

Post by Rodleydave » Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:41 am

Why is he likeable... because he is Del Boy in a blonde floppy wig. Loveable Del Boy but wouldn't trust him with yer money...or anything... everything he touches goes wrong

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Re: Who likes Boris?

Post by Zlatan » Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:50 am

He's like the rich kid at school who bribes other kids with stuff so they will befriend him so he can be Head Boy; when in fact all they are doing is exploiting him for their own furtherment - in fact that's exactly how his government is working.

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Re: Who likes Boris?

Post by martin_p » Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:53 am

Rodleydave wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:41 am
Why is he likeable... because he is Del Boy in a blonde floppy wig. Loveable Del Boy but wouldn't trust him with yer money...or anything... everything he touches goes wrong
Yes, and I’d probably like him if he were a fictional comedy character whose excesses and mistakes were created for laughs. Unfortunately he’s the British Prime Minister whose actions can cause misery so liking him is a lot harder.

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Re: Who likes Boris?

Post by AndrewJB » Wed Sep 23, 2020 8:29 am

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Tue Sep 22, 2020 9:39 pm
Which debt are you referring too for this Gov?

Labour coughed up hundreds of millions to bail out banks that had made mistakes that led to the crash.
They were bailed out/rewarded for failure basically and they've made a mockery of that ever since.

The Covid Pandemic isn't the fault of the UK businesses, so are you saying they and their employees shouldn't be supported where possible?

I think the debt created to try and keep the country afloat during the pandemic is acceptable, whereas bailing out the banks wasn't.

The banks didn't change how they operated, they carried on taking peoples money via dubious means and its now becoming common knowledge that they've been laundering dirty money for decades.
Between 2010 and 2015 more debt was piled up than by every Labour government in history. Since 2015 we’ve continued adding to the debt mountain. It’s very much more a Tory problem than a Labour one. As with the banks, which as you point out have been left insufficiently regulated, and tax havens (which Cameron promised to sort out), shielded from transparency. It all adds up to shred whatever was left of the idea of Tory economic competence.

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Re: Who likes Boris?

Post by Zlatan » Wed Sep 23, 2020 8:32 am

martin_p wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:53 am
Yes, and I’d probably like him if he were a fictional comedy character whose excesses and mistakes were created for laughs. Unfortunately he’s the British Prime Minister whose actions can cause misery so liking him is a lot harder.
you mean like this... yes I like this too...

https://youtu.be/LjIcAqMOmWA

Accurate too, unfortunately ;)

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Re: Who likes Boris?

Post by Steve1956 » Wed Sep 23, 2020 8:36 am

Bet he,s good fun when hes had a beer or two.

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Re: Who likes Boris?

Post by Billy Balfour » Wed Sep 23, 2020 9:04 am

JohnMcGreal wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:28 am
Really struggling to get my head around people who think he's likeable. What's there to actually like?
He's got funny hair. I'm being serious. When he first became a 'personality' I overheard someone say "I like Boris, he's got funny hair".

On another note - I've no time whatsoever for the SNP or its leader, however, I heard Sturgeon's and Johnson's speeches last night played back to back on the radio. Johnson's speech was like a comedy Churchill crossed with Captain Mainwaring. Sturgeon's was informative without the amateur dramatics thrown in. Johnson is a buffoon.

I can't think of one Tory in my extended family or social circle who no longer disagrees with me when I say he's a blundering idiot. He might have winged it for a couple of years in normal times, but event have shown him up for what he is. The Tory Party will bin him after Brexit.

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Re: Who likes Boris?

Post by NottsClaret » Wed Sep 23, 2020 9:17 am

It's never a good idea to make sweeping generalisations, but here goes: the only people still fooled or enamoured by Johnson are craven, simple-minded bootlickers.
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Re: Who likes Boris?

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Wed Sep 23, 2020 9:21 am

AndrewJB wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 8:29 am
Between 2010 and 2015 more debt was piled up than by every Labour government in history. Since 2015 we’ve continued adding to the debt mountain. It’s very much more a Tory problem than a Labour one. As with the banks, which as you point out have been left insufficiently regulated, and tax havens (which Cameron promised to sort out), shielded from transparency. It all adds up to shred whatever was left of the idea of Tory economic competence.
The Gov used austerity to reduce the deficit though, because that was a massive problem.

The EU also pushed for Austerity measures to be enforced across the EU.

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Re: Who likes Boris?

Post by AndrewJB » Wed Sep 23, 2020 10:06 am

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 9:21 am
The Gov used austerity to reduce the deficit though, because that was a massive problem.

The EU also pushed for Austerity measures to be enforced across the EU.
The government reduced taxes on the rich, and on large corporations, while piling misery on people at the bottom. Austerity was never about fixing our economy - they didn’t address the banks or tax avoidance or tax havens, nor put together a green jobs package, or industrial strategy - it was just, like the tax breaks, about reducing the state, and creating opportunities for their rich backers. I understand that sounds like a revolutionary Marxist statement, but what other reason would you ascribe their actions? They failed to get rid of the deficit, and ballooned the debt. So if they were concerned about that, then they didn’t do a good job. Whereas it’s a fact that the rich did very well out of austerity (richest thousand in the U.K. saw their wealth go from £250 Billion to £1 Trillion). The tax breaks were so big that Labour were able to make their “extravagant” promises based on revoking them.

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Re: Who likes Boris?

Post by joey13 » Wed Sep 23, 2020 10:30 am

RingoMcCartney wrote:
Tue Sep 22, 2020 9:58 pm
Unlike the current government. In 2010, labour hadn't had to deal with an unprecedented global pandemic.

Only their own economic Incompetence .....
So you completely ignored the last 10 years , well done 👍

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Re: Who likes Boris?

Post by RingoMcCartney » Wed Sep 23, 2020 10:47 am

joey13 wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 10:30 am
So you completely ignored the last 10 years , well done 👍
Talking about years.

Quick reality check for you and the rest of the Left.

The Tories have won more general elections in the last 4 years than Labour have won in the last 20.

The last time Liebour won a general election, Dwight McNeil was 5 years old.

Well done.

👍

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Re: Who likes Boris?

Post by RingoMcCartney » Wed Sep 23, 2020 10:49 am

NottsClaret wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 9:17 am
It's never a good idea to make sweeping generalisations, but here goes: the only people still fooled or enamoured by Johnson are craven, simple-minded bootlickers.
Or, on the other hand, they're just people with a different opinion to you.

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Re: Who likes Boris?

Post by ŽižkovClaret » Wed Sep 23, 2020 10:58 am

Boris Johnson - Never knowingly competent.

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Re: Who likes Boris?

Post by TomtheClaret » Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:26 am

Granny WeatherWax wrote:
Tue Sep 22, 2020 5:46 pm
Worst PM of my lifetime.
Really? I give You Cameron who screwed the sick, disabled, poor, and Pigs mouths (allegedly) backed by George Osborne and the Lib Dems.
Tony Blair Liar and War criminal.

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Re: Who likes Boris?

Post by aggi » Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:31 am

Jakubclaret wrote:
Tue Sep 22, 2020 8:09 pm
You could start off by explaining why you dislike boris johnson I'm assuming that's the case? it's the easiest thing in world to do to criticise & judge other people when you are not standing in their shoes, if you are polite enough to respond the explanation could include what you feels gone wrong & what should have been done to right them wrongs if multiple mistakes are applicable during his leadership.
It's more I was amused by your description. What exactly is a man's man politician? As for the taking responsibility, he's pretty famous for shirking responsibility in both his private and professional life.

As for why I don't like him, I don't feel that someone who has been sacked from multiple jobs for lying is a good choice of PM. I also don't like his dog whistle rhetoric, his lack of work ethic or attention to detail (all of which have been evident for many years). I also don't agree with his (or more likely Cummings') attempt to dismantle the civil service whilst we're going through so much turmoil or the amount of contracts that are going out to underperforming mates of his. The stripping of the cabinet, and the party, to replace them with semi-competent (at best) yes men has also been a bad move.

That's just a few things off the top of my head without getting into details.
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Re: Who likes Boris?

Post by AndrewJB » Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:46 am

BenWickes wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:04 am
For me he's likeable. Is he a leader? Not really. However when you look at the alternatives across his own party, let alone the entire political spectrum; he was the best of a bad bunch. None remotely looked like leaders prepared to make tough decisions and stand by them regardless of popularity.
He, like all newly elected leaders; has been dealt a bum deal with Covid hitting before he even had chance to implement many, if any of his policies.
It isn't a time for points scoring though. No party or leader would have got it right in this crisis as the sands are shifting almost daily.
If we're going for likeable and a future leader. I think Jess Phillips has the will, passion, belief and sense of humour. I don't agree with her politics but think she's the strongest personality across all parties. Though I think she's a bit more left of centre than Labour would like.
Johnson certainly doesn’t see anything through regardless of popularity. Look at all the U turns. Even rightwing commentators like Spiked have described the government as chaotic, even as far back as April. On top of that is the blatant corruption his government has enabled through procurement. I don’t think any other party in government would have allowed that to happen (and the press would have been all over it).

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Re: Who likes Boris?

Post by martin_p » Wed Sep 23, 2020 12:34 pm

It looks like the country is increasingly turning against him.
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Re: Who likes Boris?

Post by Inchy » Wed Sep 23, 2020 12:52 pm

martin_p wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 12:34 pm
It looks like the country is increasingly turning against him.

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As a labour voter I hate to say this, but I wager 95% of the voters who voted for brexit and Johnson, who usually don’t vote or vote labour, will have absolutely no idea about Starmer. All that they might know is some bullsh*t about him not locking up saville.

The right wing working class (a lot of people) won’t vote labour anytime soon

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Re: Who likes Boris?

Post by dansch » Wed Sep 23, 2020 12:55 pm

The guy hides in fridges

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Re: Who likes Boris?

Post by joey13 » Wed Sep 23, 2020 3:35 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 10:47 am
Talking about years.

Quick reality check for you and the rest of the Left.

The Tories have won more general elections in the last 4 years than Labour have won in the last 20.

The last time Liebour won a general election, Dwight McNeil was 5 years old.

Well done.

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1 don’t assume I’m left wing ,I’m not ,I don’t support any political party
2 Liebour :lol: :lol: , errrmmm I’ll give Boris Johnson
3 The Tories have been in power 27 years out of the last 40 , you seen the state of the country :roll:

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Re: Who likes Boris?

Post by Jakubclaret » Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:02 pm

aggi wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:31 am
It's more I was amused by your description. What exactly is a man's man politician? As for the taking responsibility, he's pretty famous for shirking responsibility in both his private and professional life.

As for why I don't like him, I don't feel that someone who has been sacked from multiple jobs for lying is a good choice of PM. I also don't like his dog whistle rhetoric, his lack of work ethic or attention to detail (all of which have been evident for many years). I also don't agree with his (or more likely Cummings') attempt to dismantle the civil service whilst we're going through so much turmoil or the amount of contracts that are going out to underperforming mates of his. The stripping of the cabinet, and the party, to replace them with semi-competent (at best) yes men has also been a bad move.

That's just a few things off the top of my head without getting into details.
It's the kind of politician you could have a pint with, go on a stag do with, confide in & trust, plenty of desirable qualities exist but because you are so focused on petty fault finding you choose to overlook that, put it this way he'll achieve more than you or I throughout our lifetimes not a bad result for a bloke with so many character negatives.

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Re: Who likes Boris?

Post by TVC15 » Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:24 pm

Aye he’s a proper stand up guy you can go on a pint with or a stag do....or a head wetting - guessing he’s had plenty of those to celebrate based on the number of partners and kids he’s got knocking about.

Boris and his freaky family just seem like the kind of down to earth chaps you’d love to share a pint with.

Absolutely priceless

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