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Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 10:04 pm
by ClaretTony
No we didn't. We tried to get him to sign a new deal but he wouldn't. Nothing you can do when a player opts to run down his contract.
Long Time Lurker wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:45 pm
On top of that we give Stephens a 2 year ( probably with a plus one year ) contract which could mean that either Cork or Westwood will miss out on being offered a new contract, should our next move be to add a younger player to our central midfield - which it should be.
Why should it mean Cork or Westwood missing out on being offered a new contract?
Long Time Lurker wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:45 pm
So we will have spent the balance sheet equivalent of £12.5m to bring in a player who is worse than Hendrick ( with no resale value ) who will be soaking up wages for 2 years and possibly result in the loss of Cork or Westwood who are better players.
What are you basing that on?
Long Time Lurker wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:45 pm
Considering that he is approaching the end of his career and he only has one year left on his contract with Brighton he isn't worth 2.5m. No other team is remotely interested in buying him
Approaching the end of his career at 31? And how are you so well briefed that you know that no other team is remotely interested in buying him?
Long Time Lurker wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:45 pm
The only reason we are signing a player like Stephens is because we failed to bring in a younger central midfielder when we had the perfect opportunity to do so. Rigg is mates with Dan Ashworth and this allows Brighton to shift a player who is hardly going to feature for them this season off their wage bill and add to their bank account.
Really?
Long Time Lurker wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:45 pm
That might free up Rigg to spend the bulk of our transfer funds on an expensive addition that is more in line with his own vision for us, somebody like Harry Wilson.
Rigg doesn't spend money on players.
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 10:06 pm
by TVC15
Long Time Lurker wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 9:58 pm
Regular as clockwork, thanks for commenting.
I've already responded to you previously about player amortisation on another thread in which I demonstrated that I know perfectly well how it works. Had Hendrick signed a new contract, which wasn't entirely out of the question, his value on the balance sheet would have been refreshed ( so to speak ). However, I should also point out that the amortised value of a player doesn't fully reflect their real world value.
I genuinely don't know where you get the idea that I hate the club or Rigg from. As I pointed out previously a person can disagree with the effectiveness of a person in their professional capacity without bearing them any personal ill will.
If that wasn't the case then any criticism of any aspect of our club, management or players, would represent a direct personal attack instead of the expression of an opinion in relation to work done. The snowflakes of the world might disagree with that.
This board is a vehicle for the expression of opinions, which others can choose to agree with or disagree with. On the basis of all the posts that you have previously directed towards me, I now take it that you will jump to disagree with any and every opinion I express. That is perfectly fine, but I would like to believe that it doesn't also mean you have a personal vendetta against me or that you wish me any personal ill will.
Funny that you think I jump on every one of your posts - especially as up until this week I have spent little time on this board for a while....but hey ho don’t take it personally. I think you talk a lot of rubbish - that’s my opinion...I also think you do have an unhealthy obsession with Rigg.
And saying you “hate” Burnley is a bit tongue in cheek and more a reflection that you rarely have a good thing to say about the club and personally I find that an odd way of supporting your club which as pointed out by me and others is supposed to be something you enjoy and not something that brings you the level of frustration and angst it appears to bring you
In terms of player amortisation I’m not going to get in a debate with someone who is so very clearly out of his depth - go do a book keeping course or something and come back to me when you have a bit of basic knowledge
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 10:08 pm
by Sozturf7
I don't know how you kept your cool Tony.
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 10:12 pm
by ClaretTony
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 10:13 pm
by martin_p
Unusual for anyone at the club to say anything before the ink is on the contract!
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 10:14 pm
by ClaretTony
martin_p wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 10:13 pm
Unusual for anyone at the club to say anything before the ink is on the contract!
Which I think means the ink is probably on there and drying - believe medical was passed today
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 10:24 pm
by basil6345789
Stephens is a Northerner
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 10:25 pm
by Rowls
basil6345789 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 10:24 pm
Stephens is a Northerner
Good on him. Sound.
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 10:30 pm
by KateR
angst, such a great word and really conveys meaning to me, love it, lol
Can I be the first to welcome Stephen to BFC
I was just kidding about missing the s off, honestly
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 10:31 pm
by ClaretTony
basil6345789 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 10:24 pm
Stephens is a Northerner
From the land of the club ten years ahead of us too
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 8:35 am
by wilks_bfc
ClaretTony wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 10:31 pm
From the land of the club ten years ahead of us too
Does that mean he’s really 41 then?
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 9:38 am
by Bosscat
ClaretTony wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 10:31 pm
From the land of the club ten years ahead of us too
You beat me to that one Tony
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 9:39 am
by Bosscat
even after its been through the liquidiser
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 11:34 am
by Stu
As he actually signed yet ?
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 11:35 am
by ClaretTony
Stu wrote: ↑Thu Sep 24, 2020 11:34 am
As he actually signed yet ?
No - there'll be a new thread when he does attached to the article on the site.
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 11:36 am
by dpinsussex
ClaretTony wrote: ↑Thu Sep 24, 2020 11:35 am
No - there'll be a new thread when he does attached to the article on the site.
Any idea what the hold up is Tony?
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 11:38 am
by claretonthecoast1882
dpinsussex wrote: ↑Thu Sep 24, 2020 11:36 am
Any idea what the hold up is Tony?
LongTimeLurker is currently blocking Stephens entering the grounds to put pen to paper, he is staging a sit down protest at the entrance shouting sign someone off my list
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 11:40 am
by ClaretTony
dpinsussex wrote: ↑Thu Sep 24, 2020 11:36 am
Any idea what the hold up is Tony?
Doubt there is a hold up. As far as I know it's done - they are probably just waiting until all the media stuff is done before announcing it.
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 11:42 am
by dpinsussex
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 11:42 am
by KRBFC
I wonder if we get a fancy new signing announcement video like the robot toy when Crouch arrived
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 11:42 am
by ClaretTony
If they are, I can confirm that I've been caught out.
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 11:44 am
by Bigvince
They will be filming the obligatory signing on video
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 11:47 am
by Gordaleman
BFC site mentions Stephens and says he is travelling north today to fianlise things. No doubt he'll then do the media stuff before the final announce ment.
If you listen to the last sentence of Sean's post match interview carefully, he was far more upbeat than recently. He was asked about other signings and he didn't just shrug it off. He said "Yes, let's see what develops in the next few days." That to me suggested something else is close.
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 2:09 pm
by UpTheClaretsFCBK
ClaretTony wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 9:52 am
What did you want him to say? I wouldn't have expected him to say anything about it. Graham Potter, the Brighton manager, said yesterday there was nothing in it. It's all got out through Naylor.
Maybe something more like, 'We've got one deal progressing quite well', not 'nothing is close'?
The latter seems a strange response if a medical is scheduled for a signing.
To then come out a couple of days later and say the deal is pretty much done..?
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 2:13 pm
by Red Fox Rocks Socks
UpTheClaretsFCBK wrote: ↑Thu Sep 24, 2020 2:09 pm
Maybe something more like, 'We've got one deal progressing quite well', not 'nothing is close'?
The latter seems a strange response if a medical is scheduled for a signing.
To then come out a couple of days later and say the deal is pretty much done..?
It’s all pantomime and half truths etc. You don’t get a straight answer to these questions cos if it all goes tits up they don’t want to look stupid
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 2:36 pm
by clarethomer
claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 24, 2020 11:38 am
LongTimeLurker is currently blocking Stephens entering the grounds to put pen to paper, he is staging a sit down protest at the entrance shouting sign someone off my list
He is making them read his posts.
Expect the signing to be completed a minute before the transfer deadline.
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 2:38 pm
by Granny WeatherWax
clarethomer wrote: ↑Thu Sep 24, 2020 2:36 pm
He is making them read his posts.
Expect the signing to be completed a minute before the transfer deadline.
transfer deadline 2023 by which time his contract will have already expired.
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 2:40 pm
by claret2018
I heard from a trusted source at the club that they haven’t announced yet as they mistakenly printed his name as Stephens’s on the back of his shirt
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 2:45 pm
by Buxtonclaret
ClaretTony wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 10:31 pm
From the land of the club ten years ahead of us too
Sometimes seems we've spent 10 years trying to sign him!
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 2:47 pm
by claretblue
claret2018 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 24, 2020 2:40 pm
I heard from a trusted source at the club that they haven’t announced yet as they mistakenly printed his name as Stephens’s on the back of his shirt
don't think they would be so extravagant to use a surplus apostrophe!
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 2:57 pm
by dpinsussex
Its a long drive to Burnley from Brighton.
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 2:58 pm
by Gordaleman
dpinsussex wrote: ↑Thu Sep 24, 2020 2:57 pm
Its a long drive to Burnley from Brighton.
Maybe he forgot his boots and had to go back?
Or maybe he's been asked to divert to Liverpool and pick up Wilson?
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:01 pm
by Paul Waine
dpinsussex wrote: ↑Thu Sep 24, 2020 2:57 pm
Its a long drive to Burnley from Brighton.
ah, stuck on the M6 through B'ham...
or typed Burnsley into his sat nav?
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Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:04 pm
by The Enclosure
I remember the days when we tracked potential signings on Flight tracker.
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:07 pm
by gawthorpe_view
The Enclosure wrote: ↑Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:04 pm
I remember the days when we tracked potential signings on Flight tracker.
Or Ceefax, page 312?
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:10 pm
by Gordaleman
The best days were before they introduced transfer windows and you could buy and sell players at any time.
No biting fingernails then, and it was rare to hear about a tranfer until the buying club announced it's completion.
The good old days.
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:14 pm
by aggi
Long Time Lurker wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 9:58 pm
Had Hendrick signed a new contract, which wasn't entirely out of the question, his value on the balance sheet would have been refreshed ( so to speak ). However, I should also point out that the amortised value of a player doesn't fully reflect their real world value.
Just to be clear on this point, this isn't how it works.
The capitalised value on the balance sheet would have been any signing on fee/agent's fee related to the new contract and that's it.
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:16 pm
by ClaretTony
claret2018 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 24, 2020 2:40 pm
I heard from a trusted source at the club that they haven’t announced yet as they mistakenly printed his name as Stephens’s on the back of his shirt
They've done that before
CHRICHTON instead of CRICHTON
O'CONNER instead of O'CONNOR
NUGNET instead of NUGENT
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:19 pm
by FactualFrank
claret2018 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 24, 2020 2:40 pm
I heard from a trusted source at the club that they haven’t announced yet as they mistakenly printed his name as Stephens’s on the back of his shirt
That's even worse than Stephen's
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:22 pm
by joey13
claret2018 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 24, 2020 2:40 pm
I heard from a trusted source at the club that they haven’t announced yet as they mistakenly printed his name as Stephens’s on the back of his shirt
Same as Wood’s then
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:24 pm
by FactualFrank
joey13 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:22 pm
Same as Wood’s then
No that would be Woods's
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:25 pm
by Jakubs Tash
aggi wrote: ↑Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:14 pm
Just to be clear on this point, this isn't how it works.
The capitalised value on the balance sheet would have been any signing on fee/agent's fee related to the new contract and that's it.
Can't be right as he knows "perfectly well how it works"........
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:26 pm
by Funkydrummer
Hope he's not trying to get through Padiham !!!!!!!
It will be next week before he arrives.
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:27 pm
by FactualFrank
Funkydrummer wrote: ↑Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:26 pm
Hope he's not trying to get through Padiham !!!!!!!
It will be next week before he arrives.
After his time down south, he might be checking out Padiham beach.
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:29 pm
by The Enclosure
Where do they sign these days? In the boardroom or down at Barnfield?
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:31 pm
by summitclaret
The Enclosure wrote: ↑Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:29 pm
Where do they sign these days? In the boardroom or down at Barnfield?
Still on the dotted line I think.
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:35 pm
by gawthorpe_view
Funkydrummer wrote: ↑Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:26 pm
Hope he's not trying to get through Padiham !!!!!!!
It will be next week before he arrives.
Or down Westgate today.
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:46 pm
by Vegas Claret
this should have been announced so it's on hold, clearly Dyche has been told of the takeover and is currently putting in a bid for Gini Wijnaldum instead
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 4:08 pm
by Clarets4me
Paul Waine wrote: ↑Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:01 pm
ah, stuck on the M6 through B'ham...
or typed Burnsley into his sat nav?
UTC
Clive Holt's still on the Board ... I'm surprised he didn't suggest cadging a lift up on the Brighton Coach that took their team to Deepdale last night ... It'd save on the mileage allowance !!
Re: Stephens deal imminent
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 4:10 pm
by ClaretTony
Vegas Claret wrote: ↑Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:46 pm
this should have been announced so it's on hold, clearly Dyche has been told of the takeover and is currently putting in a bid for Gini Wijnaldum instead
I don't think anything is on hold being serious. I'd expect an announcement, maybe before it goes dark.
