Harry Wilson

[Burnley Ace]

50/50 plus other board members involved

We put the club at risk every season we are in the Championship, look at Bournemouth they have raked in over 100 mill because they had the assets to sell

The Board and Chair has done very little, Dyche and his team has done it for them

What have the other board members done?

[tiger76]

Id be a very worried manager
If i paid 23.5m for a player who never played or scored in premier league.
Brewster could get Wilder the sack.

Brewster could be this season's Dominic Solanke, I'm staggered that Sheff Utd have paid over £20m for him, he might come good for them, but that's an expensive gamble.

[Wokingclaret]

What have the other board members done?

Probably more than you

[Zlatan]

Brewster’s millions... all a bit Sheff Utd

[Wokingclaret]

Brewster could be this season's Dominic Solanke, I'm staggered that Sheff Utd have paid over £20m for him, he might come good for them, but that's an expensive gamble.

I'm sure the rest of their squad can cover the cost just like McNeil Pope and Tarky will cover our costs should we get R

[summitclaret]

Brewster could be this season's Dominic Solanke, I'm staggered that Sheff Utd have paid over £20m for him, he might come good for them, but that's an expensive gamble.

The bottom line is everyone else is taking a risk of some sort to stay up. Some will do a Fulham and some may prosper. We on the other hand have so far invested £1m in a 4th choice cm. Doesn't bode well does it? We need Gibson's replacement or least the next Tarks and a threat from the rhs.

If not we are likely to have a long winter.

[Goobs]

Brewster could be this season's Dominic Solanke, I'm staggered that Sheff Utd have paid over £20m for him, he might come good for them, but that's an expensive gamble.

This move reminded me of Swansea taking Tammy Abraham on loan and thinking he would be able to lead the line for them and keep them up. That didn't work out well.

[Wokingclaret]

This move reminded me of Swansea taking Tammy Abraham on loan and thinking he would be able to lead the line for them and keep them up. That didn't work out well.

It would now but he's older

[TVC15]

50/50 plus other board members involved

We put the club at risk every season we are in the Championship, look at Bournemouth they have raked in over 100 mill because they had the assets to sell

The Board and Chair has done very little, Dyche and his team has done it for them

Seriously clueless.

[Wokingclaret]

Obviously

[Wokingclaret]

50/50 plus other board members involved.... true

We put the club at risk every season we are in the Championship...true

Dyche and his team.......answer yourself

[Goobs]

It would now but he's older

Obviously yeah, hence the line I drew to Brewer ( very young with a bit of championship pedigree). May turn out to he good but the responsibility at such a young age may be a step too far at the moment.

Regards Abraham I can honestly say I wouldn't swap him for any of our 4 main strikers.

[NewClaret]

Purring about paying £23m for a striker who has only played 20 first team games in the Championship!! He has scored 10 goals at club level.

Crazy situation. LFC seem to be excellent at selling their cast offs.

[Wokingclaret]

and Bournemouth has pulled in how much........

[Wokingclaret]

Obviously yeah, hence the line I drew to Brewer ( very young with a bit of championship pedigree). May turn out to he good but the responsibility at such a young age may be a step too far at the moment.

Regards Abraham I can honestly say I wouldn't swap him for any of our 4 main strikers.

Me neither

[TVC15]

Embarrassing yourself now.

Do you have any idea of the financial position of the club before MG took the helm ?

Have you ever looked at any of our financial accounts in the last few years ?

Oh and btw I’ve already said Dyche was the most important factor in our success but absolutely no way he would have done it without Garlick and the rest of the board.

[Wokingclaret]

Yes

Yes

and Yes

[Wokingclaret]

Tell me, when have we not put the club at risk in the Championship

[Wokingclaret]

Have you ever looked at any of our financial accounts in the last few years ?

I was a shareholder in 87, still I am today if you can call it that.

[Commy]

If we were after Wilson and have pulled out, I couldn't be happier. Do Liverpool think we are the new Bournemouth who they can rip off. They are now stuck with a player they won't play very often who is probably costing a fortune in wages.

They have got so used to getting stupid money for cast offs and are now learning they haven't got Howe around to con.

Also, I haven't seen anything about him putting in a transfer request. Probably because he can earn more with them, doing nothing, than he can playing for another team for less, and won't lose his cut of the fee by not putting a request in.

Looks like money comes first with him as if he wanted to play he would want out.

[Burnleyareback2]

Keep on seeing the word embrassing on here and other outlets.

The exact opposite of everything this club has done.

The only embarrassment are the people using this term and their lack of any understanding of our club.

[Vegas Claret]

To be honest Tony, my exasperation peaked last weekend. I’ve now given up all hope. Even if we signed a few, I’d still think our management of this window has been exceptionally poor. Won’t be too disappointed, just want the window to be over so we don’t have to watch other clubs signing players while we model various doomsday scenarios.

we have 2 weeks until the window closes as we only really shop in the EFL

[Vegas Claret]

And others within the club from what I hear

not just the manager ?

[BenWickes]

not just the manager ?

Certainly Mee & Wood have been vocal about needing new players.

[Vegas Claret]

Certainly Mee & Wood have been vocal about needing new players.

interesting, not sure I've heard them say that (I don't watch all the player interviews)

[BenWickes]

interesting, not sure I've heard them say that (I don't watch all the player interviews)

They haven't been vocal against the board to my knowledge. I do remember a post match interview where Wood said we need more players and although the kids were making progress, we needed more first team players in.

[Vegas Claret]

They haven't been vocal against the board to my knowledge. I do remember a post match interview where Wood said we need more players and although the kids were making progress, we needed more first team players in.

I remember years ago hearing Alex Ferguson say that the current players deserved more bodies through the door to help them out, the better they do the more money they will earn - they can't do it all on their own

Our lads must look around and think wtf

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

we have 2 weeks until the window closes as we only really shop in the EFL

We do but if we were really serious about signing players from the divisions below surely we’d have done so by now given how desperate for the money we keep being told they are?

[Burnley1989]

If we were after Wilson and have pulled out, I couldn't be happier. Do Liverpool think we are the new Bournemouth who they can rip off. They are now stuck with a player they won't play very often who is probably costing a fortune in wages.

They have got so used to getting stupid money for cast offs and are now learning they haven't got Howe around to con.

Also, I haven't seen anything about him putting in a transfer request. Probably because he can earn more with them, doing nothing, than he can playing for another team for less, and won't lose his cut of the fee by not putting a request in.

Looks like money comes first with him as if he wanted to play he would want out.

He wouldn’t put a transfer request in if Liverpool want to sell him, that would be pointless as he’d lose his signing on fee.

I’m also in the same camp regarding spending 20m on him though, once that sort of figure was mentioned I said to my mates I’d rather we didn’t spend that sort of money, you can get two decent players for that

[Zlatan]

Liverpool have got their best poker face on for this with Wilson. They know our offer, and they risk having to keep him and loan him back out for another few months or the season. His value won’t go up because he’ll be playing at a team with lower standards than Liverpool, and they know that.

If we’ve offered what we think is a good price (and I think we have offered more than he’s worth IMO) we’ve done the right thing by not offering more. Liverpool can afford to lose him for a free for the sake of trying to get and extra couple of million for him now. They may well still be able to sell him after a half season loan and cut their losses. They certainly won’t want to help the only team who took points off them at Anfield last season.

Also there’s no real consideration for the player, he’s being used like a slave to be traded in all this.

[Grumps]

Michael Edwards, who negotiates Liverpool transfers is a hero on Merseyside. Its reckoned he gets top dollar on all outgoing transfers. Looks like we are not willing to be bullied by him. Good for us, I say.

[Zlatan]

Michael Edwards, who negotiates Liverpool transfers is a hero on Merseyside. Its reckoned he gets top dollar on all outgoing transfers. Looks like we are not willing to be bullied by him. Good for us, I say.

Always a scam involved with scallies (I know he’s from Southampton, but he works for them)

[arise_sir_charge]

They certainly won’t want to help the only team who took points off them at Anfield last season.

Do you honestly believe that will have even crossed their minds? This is Premier League football, a multi billion pound business, not a kick about on Lockyer field.

[Zlatan]

Do you honestly believe that will have even crossed their minds? This is Premier League football, a multi billion pound business, not a kick about on Lockyer field.

Did you read the whole post? You shouldn’t take one sentence and quote me as it will be out of context

[FactualFrank]

he is an ex agent, seems to have some fairly decent success with his predictions

Can't see it. There were other people 'in the know' saying we were close to confirming the transfer all this week and it never appeared to be anything near close.

[arise_sir_charge]

Did you read the whole post? You shouldn’t take one sentence and quote me as it will be out of context

Yes I did and in no way does it alter the context of that sentence.

[TVC15]

Do you honestly believe that will have even crossed their minds? This is Premier League football, a multi billion pound business, not a kick about on Lockyer field.

Lockyer Ave pitches - one of my favourite places to play Primary school football nearly 45 years ago.
Much better than the scarily full of glass Cherryfold pitches !!

[Zlatan]

Yes I did and in no way does it alter the context of that sentence.

Of course it does, but whatever

[Rileybobs]

He was one of the joint chairmen - so yes he did appoint Dyche.

It’s his income (or the boards of which he is the biggest shareholder) and he has given a lot of it to the manager to spend. He could have done what the Oystons did at Blackpool and paid himself an £18m dividend but hasn’t taken a penny out.

I know Dyche asked the board to do the training ground but Garlick made it happen.

Communication has not been great but he’s explained why the finances were at risk and was one of the first Premier League managers to talk to the media about the impact of Covid.

I just don’t get why people are turning on the chairman who has overseen the most successful period in several decades for the club and done it without putting the clubs future at risk. Of course Dyche is the most important person in this success but that does not mean he has done it without the board contributing lots.

It’s because some folk are simple. And simple people need to simplify complex issues in order to ‘understand’ them.

There’s been hardly any criticism of Garlick until the past few months. And now the reality of the situation is that we’re struggling to keep up with the financial demands of the Premier League. That’s not Garlick’s fault. I believe he’s looking after the best interests of the club.

The childish ‘Garlick stinks’ remarks are from people who have no understanding of the club’s financial position and how it is likely to be affected due to COVID.

[kentonclaret]

"Certainly Mee and Wood have been vocal about needing new players"

This is an extract taken from an interview with Ben Mee published in The Guardian 9 September 2020

"We finished the season really short on numbers and had a lot of young boys on the bench. The club is looking at numbers and getting new players in. We do not go spending a lot of money, we are shrewd and operate on the quiet, which is the way our club has worked over many seasons. There is still plenty of time to go in the window as it does not close until October. We did well towards the end of last season despite lacking depth but if we suffer a few injuries this season then we'd be down to the bare bones with what is currently available."

If the situation does not change before the window shuts we will have a very frustrated Manager and Club Captain and rightly so.

[Jakubclaret]

Liverpool have got their best poker face on for this with Wilson. They know our offer, and they risk having to keep him and loan him back out for another few months or the season. His value won’t go up because he’ll be playing at a team with lower standards than Liverpool, and they know that.

If we’ve offered what we think is a good price (and I think we have offered more than he’s worth IMO) we’ve done the right thing by not offering more. Liverpool can afford to lose him for a free for the sake of trying to get and extra couple of million for him now. They may well still be able to sell him after a half season loan and cut their losses. They certainly won’t want to help the only team who took points off them at Anfield last season.

Also there’s no real consideration for the player, he’s being used like a slave to be traded in all this.

Agree with everything you say, I’m slightly amused though at you thinking it could be a factor in the negotiations because they dropped points at home against us last season, business is business it wouldn’t make a difference if we had done the double over them in back to back seasons

[arise_sir_charge]

Of course it does, but whatever

It doesn’t, the rest of the post makes sense, that bit is silly and detracts from the rest.

[NewClaret]

we have 2 weeks until the window closes as we only really shop in the EFL

I know. I only realised that the other day when someone posted. I think the window this year has been awful - find it completely unnecessary for it to disrupt the season like this, for both us and EPL clubs.

Take Norwich for instance, they’ve had to drop Cantwell and Buendia, must be highly infuriating for them. There’s a few I’d take from the Championship but they’ll now be in high demand from anyone that missed their targets or have money left to spend so can only see their prices increasing.

We won’t get involved in bidding wars so don’t expect any EPL signings either.

[MACCA]

It’s because some folk are simple. And simple people need to simplify complex issues in order to ‘understand’ them.

There’s been hardly any criticism of Garlick until the past few months. And now the reality of the situation is that we’re struggling to keep up with the financial demands of the Premier League. That’s not Garlick’s fault. I believe he’s looking after the best interests of the club.

The childish ‘Garlick stinks’ remarks are from people who have no understanding of the club’s financial position and how it is likely to be affected due to COVID.

Dont let them get to you, its full of people being childish on here calling people simple, dribblers, bed wetters, and using phrases like Garlick stinks etc

When someone resorts to name calling in a discussion or debate just walk away, you've already won.

[Firthy]

This is one transfer where I won't be disappointed if we pull out of. £12m+4m addons is a very good offer and IMO isn't worth any more.

I'd much rather us go for a cheaper option like Elliason or Osayi-Samuel than let Liverpool rip us off.

[kentonclaret]

Niclas Eliasson has moved from Bristol City to Nimes for an undisclosed fee on 2 October so yet another option disappears.

[FactualFrank]

This is one transfer where I won't be disappointed if we pull out of. £12m+4m addons is a very good offer and IMO isn't worth any more.

Well it seems that buying him has been ruled out now anyway, and that it's a loan we're going for. I think he'll still be at Liverpool come Tuesday.

[Zlatan]

Agree with everything you say, I’m slightly amused though at you thinking it could be a factor in the negotiations because they dropped points at home against us last season, business is business it wouldn’t make a difference if we had done the double over them in back to back seasons

Business is business, and I’ve been around long enough to to know it’s the little things that are used as “reasons” for things sometimes. Straw that broke the camels back etc. I’m not for one minute saying they won’t do business with us because of it, but taking points off them puts us on a list of 1 of teams that irked them last season for that reason. Of course it’s ridiculous to suggest that they won’t do business because of that one thing, but I didn’t say that.

[Jakubclaret]

Business is business, and I’ve been around long enough to to know it’s the little things that are used as “reasons” for things sometimes. Straw that broke the camels back etc. I’m not for one minute saying they won’t do business with us because of it, but taking points off them puts us on a list of 1 of teams that irked them last season for that reason. Of course it’s ridiculous to suggest that they won’t do business because of that one thing, but I didn’t say that.

Ok fair enough I'm not arguing about it, I think the real reason he hasn't signed yet if he does end up signing at all is because other clubs are rumoured to be interested & Liverpool seem unwilling to shift from their valuation, that's the trouble when you've got certain clubs paying over the odds for players they expect other clubs to replicate. All contracts should enter into an hibernation mode as soon as the window commences & become active once shut leaving more freedom to agree terms.

[TVC15]

It’s because some folk are simple. And simple people need to simplify complex issues in order to ‘understand’ them.

There’s been hardly any criticism of Garlick until the past few months. And now the reality of the situation is that we’re struggling to keep up with the financial demands of the Premier League. That’s not Garlick’s fault. I believe he’s looking after the best interests of the club.

The childish ‘Garlick stinks’ remarks are from people who have no understanding of the club’s financial position and how it is likely to be affected due to COVID.

100%

To suggest that MG and the board have done little or nothing and it’s all down to SD is ludicrous. SD would never say that was the case.
The particular poster seems to be saying he understands our financial accounts because he has been a shareholder for 30 years - like that is some kind of qualification !

I’ve said lots of times this is not about “cash in the bank” or £140m of revenue - it’s pretty not much anything to do with our historical performance (other than its a good job MG has not burdened the club with debt).
It’s all about MG‘s forward looking view - and the very real uncertainty and risk that exists in terms of the impact of Covid and future TV deals.

There’s a very good chance that we are left with these options to avoid potentially large losses in the next 3 years or so :

1) new investment / take over.
2) relegation (and associated reduction in wages / sale of player assets etc)
3) reduce our wage bill / overall costs to a level that MG and the board think is necessary to avoid large losses.

I’m pretty sure MG doesn’t want no2 but is aware that may well be a consequence of option 3. Whilst it seems like we are actively trying to make option 1 happen MG cannot just rely on that happening and not do anything in relation to option 3....he has to do both.

Would be my summary of what I think is happening !!