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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by jedi_master » Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:36 pm

From ALK’s perspective, will they not want this done prior to the transfer window closing to attempt to help Dyche?

Their investment and time spent getting this deal to the point it is at would be wasted if we’re looking in trouble next season, were my thoughts?

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by DCWat » Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:37 pm

Chester Perry wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:18 pm
Their are already legal cases going on around GDPR and players not being paid for the data that has been collated and used on them (there is a belief it is in a similar context to image rights)
That’s an interesting aspect. I wonder how many players might be willing to sign up to their details being used, for the chance of an opportunity arising.

It could though make it easier for players to view information held about them and potentially remove elements that were less positive - perhaps?

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Culmclaret » Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:39 pm

I may then be faced with the dilemma of what to do with my 0.0275% share!
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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Chester Perry » Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:43 pm

DCWat wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:37 pm
That’s an interesting aspect. I wonder how many players might be willing to sign up to their details being used, for the chance of an opportunity arising.

It could though make it easier for players to view information held about them and potentially remove elements that were less positive - perhaps?
There are over 600 in this country signed up for a class action type case on it at the moment, they see it as a genuine source of income

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by ZizkovClaret » Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:45 pm

Chester Perry wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:34 pm
That initial 24 hours from when it occurred probably did more to improve the image/standing of the club around the world than much of our time in the Premier League, particularly our captain.
Oh definitely, but that initial half hour....... :shock:

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Vegas Claret » Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:46 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:10 pm
Mixed feelings I would say. I'm a fan of almost 60 years (article ready next month) but I can see the problems we have without investment. It's all about getting the right investment. I do think though that it is now obvious to everyone that all is not well at the club.
yep seems so, cheers

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by BurnleyPaul » Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:47 pm

I wonder if this is VERY close to happening and the reason for the interest in Harry Wilson is because money is being released for transfers to help “grease the wheels”...

I find it very interesting that this news goes public (and it’s now on Sky Sports News’ ticker tape) and on the same day so does interest in a signing that would be our “marquee” signing for the summer!

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by BenWickes » Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:48 pm

jedi_master wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:36 pm
From ALK’s perspective, will they not want this done prior to the transfer window closing to attempt to help Dyche?

Their investment and time spent getting this deal to the point it is at would be wasted if we’re looking in trouble next season, were my thoughts?
It would make sense. Possibly leaked early to push it through the final stages. I didn't expect this to come out for a couple more days yet.

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by aggi » Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:49 pm

Chester Perry wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:43 pm
There are over 600 in this country signed up for a class action type case on it at the moment, they see it as a genuine source of income
Have you got a link to it, not something I'd heard about.

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Wile E Coyote » Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:50 pm

how would a company such as ALK expect to see a return for their investors over a specific timeframe ?

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by claretblue » Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:51 pm

ZizkovClaret wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:21 pm
We need investment to maintain our current level, nevermind move onwards.

I can see how, with our newly minted Cat 1 Academy, we would be looked at as an ideal breeding ground for the development of talent they can identify. We have a track record in McNeil of taking undervalued players and turning them into one of the top young EPL talents.
agree! ;)

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Paul Waine » Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:51 pm

BenWickes wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:48 pm
It would make sense. Possibly leaked early to push it through the final stages. I didn't expect this to come out for a couple more days yet.
I've just looked at the time. In 10 mins or so we may know if Jarmes Tarkowski is back in the team tonight.

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by ewanrob » Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:52 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:10 pm
Mixed feelings I would say. I'm a fan of almost 60 years (article ready next month) but I can see the problems we have without investment. It's all about getting the right investment. I do think though that it is now obvious to everyone that all is not well at the club.
I've been amazed at some of your posts CT, youve always been very much a glass half full.... not that you aren't now, but you have been fairly consistent over a good period that things are not good.

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Paul Waine » Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:53 pm

Wile E Coyote wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:50 pm
how would a company such as ALK expect to see a return for their investors over a specific timeframe ?
There's no reason why ALK aren't "long term capital." I don't think it's Burnley FC where they will aim to make their money. Opportunities, including digital around the Northern Powerhouse.
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Re: ALK Capital...

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by BenWickes » Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:54 pm

Paul Waine wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:51 pm
I've just looked at the time. In 10 mins or so we may know if Jarmes Tarkowski is back in the team tonight.

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I was referring to ALK but he isn't going anywhere :lol:
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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Vegas Claret » Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:54 pm

taken from their website

Specializing in acquisition and operations of modern sports, media, and entertainment assets, and related technologies, ALK Capital combines its diverse expertise, experience, and creativity with its investor network to drive growth and maximize business potential while building sustainable companies and value.

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by BurnleyFC » Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:55 pm

Danieljwaterhouse wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:20 pm
I should rise above it, I should be the bigger person, and I shouldn’t bask in the disappointment of those who belittle, BUT now it’s in the media.....


I’ll start taking apologies....😂
I apologise.

It isn’t quite the Egyptian multi billionaire that I was hoping for, though, so I’m not sure how I’d feel if this lot took over.
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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Paul Waine » Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:57 pm

BenWickes wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:54 pm
I was referring to ALK but he isn't going anywhere :lol:
Hi BW, yes, I know your reference was to ALK. There was also mention of "marquee signing." To me and I suspect many others, retaining JT will be one or our marquee signings. Proof, of course, is on the team sheet.

Well done on your scoop, btw. Let's hope this all works out for everyone. :)

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by ClaretTony » Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:58 pm

ewanrob wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:52 pm
I've been amazed at some of your posts CT, youve always been very much a glass half full.... not that you aren't now, but you have been fairly consistent over a good period that things are not good.
Stan's blind man on the galloping horse can see things aren't good though. People picked up on Sean's references to money, contracts and the like when we resumed without Hendrick, Lennon & Hart, but if you go back some twelve months and his comments it has been clear there were problems.

I will always be glass half full, more than half full, but you can't disguise the fact that all is not well right now.
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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by BenWickes » Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:59 pm

Paul Waine wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:53 pm
There's no reason why ALK aren't "long term capital." I don't think it's Burnley FC where they will aim to make their money. Opportunities, including digital around the Northern Powerhouse.
This is very much it. They will be putting a lot of finance into the club but It's a case of the bigger picture financially. They are prepared, short term to take a hit on the club short term because it's viable and sustainable and investing in the NW seems to be very popular. Lots of potential.
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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Andreshotboots » Wed Sep 23, 2020 6:01 pm

I wonder if they'll lend my £100 for a new tyre?

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Paul Waine » Wed Sep 23, 2020 6:02 pm

BenWickes wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:59 pm
This is very much it. They will be putting a lot of finance into the club but It's a case of the bigger picture financially. They are prepared, short term to take a hit on the club short term because it's viable and sustainable and investing in the NW seems to be very popular. Lots of potential.
I think we've all got to like "investing in the NW" - even those of us, like me, who have been away from the region for several decades.

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Boss Hogg » Wed Sep 23, 2020 6:02 pm

martin_p wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 4:04 pm
I am, I’d hate it. I’ve a real fear that the club will lose its identity.
Corner shop mentality in my opinion. To maintain what we have we need investment.

Not keen on Private Equity firms though who are often short term opportunists. This firm does seem to know the market though.

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by BenWickes » Wed Sep 23, 2020 6:03 pm

Paul Waine wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:57 pm
Hi BW, yes, I know your reference was to ALK. There was also mention of "marquee signing." To me and I suspect many others, retaining JT will be one or our marquee signings. Proof, of course, is on the team sheet.

Well done on your scoop, btw. Let's hope this all works out for everyone. :)

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Oh very much. Tarkowski staying is a fillip and a very nice one too. I don't regard it as a scoop. I can understand the cautious reading eyes. It's natural and normal. Just portraying as has DJW what is going on without jeopardising trust.
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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by jedi_master » Wed Sep 23, 2020 6:11 pm

Plead poverty since about April (losing £50m etc from Garlick) and with a manager saying he has to sell to buy, has no budget and no sign of any incomings bar a cheap (but decent) buy from Brighton.

We then get told we’re about to be taken over by an American consortium and almost at the same time that we’re in talks to sign Harry Wilson from Liverpool for a likely club record fee.

I think someone else has said this, but putting two and two together this is surely intrinsically linked? It would be an almost impossible transfer for us to contemplate before this takeover news if you take the Chairman and Manager at their word before today.

If that is the case it certainly does show they’re going to back Dyche...

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Spijed » Wed Sep 23, 2020 6:12 pm

As they are in it for the money, why us, as we won't generate the same revenues as the majority of other Prem clubs?

Aside from the Sky TV money what else is there in it for them?

The majority of that money goes on wages, signings and bonuses so there isn't too much left over.

Unless they are looking purely for exposure by being in the Prem.

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Leisure » Wed Sep 23, 2020 6:15 pm

[quote=Spijed post_id=1376183 time=1600881133 user_id=122

Unless they are looking purely for exposure by being in the Prem.
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This.

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by MRG » Wed Sep 23, 2020 6:20 pm

This is excellent news. I know for absolute certain that there was also a Chinese investor that got a long way down the line with an approach then seems to have gone cold over recent weeks

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Down_Rover » Wed Sep 23, 2020 6:20 pm

Right now this whelms me.
1. We need the money just to stand still
2. We probably can’t raise the money elsewhere
3. We may lose our identity
4. They could be con men who think buying a PL Club is a guaranteed cash generator, just like property usually is
5. How will they up the value of the club? It won’t be just in Burnley, it is too small. Ribble Valley Rangers and try to mop up disillusioned fans in Blackburn, Preston and beyond. They could move Turf Moor to a retail park near Altham or Chorley
6. Nobody knows anything here. Every report says exactly the same, an organised and fairly sterile statement

This could be very exciting or it may not happen

We are all guessing right now

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Wile E Coyote » Wed Sep 23, 2020 6:23 pm

Paul Waine wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:53 pm
There's no reason why ALK aren't "long term capital." I don't think it's Burnley FC where they will aim to make their money. Opportunities, including digital around the Northern Powerhouse.
what does that mean Paul

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Chester Perry » Wed Sep 23, 2020 6:23 pm

aggi wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:49 pm
Have you got a link to it, not something I'd heard about.
was on the MMT Thread
Chester Perry wrote:
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I posted yesterday an opinion article about personal player data and GDPR - it transpires that his is an area that a growing group of players are looking to fight for as Betting companies in particular are exploiting such data for their own significant gains - a "class-action" type legal case is building fronted by current and former English players - from SportsProMedia.com

Report: Premier League stars suing betting companies over use of personal data
‘More than 400’ UK-based soccer players signed up to Project Red Card.

Posted: July 29 2020 - By: Sam Carp

- EFL, National League and Scottish Premiership players also involved in lawsuit
- Successful claim could be worth ‘hundreds of millions of pounds’
- Project being spearheaded by Russell Slade’s Global Sports Data and Technology Group

Top-flight Premier League stars are among a group of UK-based soccer players seeking ‘hundreds of millions of pounds’ for the use of their personal statistics, according to the Athletic.

The subscription-based digital sports outlet says ‘more than 400’ current and former players plan to take legal action against companies such as computer game manufacturers and betting firms who have used their performance and tracking data without consent or compensation.

The players hope to recover six years’ worth of lost income, the Athletic said, adding that individual settlements could be worth as much as ‘tens of thousands of pounds’ if the claim is successful, although payments will vary depending on what level the player competed at and the amount of exposure they received.

Players from the English Football League (EFL), which oversees the three divisions below the Premier League, the semi-professional National League and the Scottish Premiership have also reportedly signed up to Project Red Card, which is being spearheaded by a company called Global Sports Data and Technology Group.

Co-founded by Russell Slade, who has managed several clubs in the EFL, and technology expert Jason Dunlop, Global Sports Data and Technology Group says it is ‘helping sport to understand and benefit from’ the incomes associated with data.

Speaking to the BBC, Slade said: "Players need to be signing [consent] if their data is going to travel.

“One or two clubs are seeing it now, we want to help them get this right. Obviously data in clubs is there for players to improve but they should be signing their consent for it to be used.

“We have found that the accuracy of data is staggering, most players on board have wrong data stored.”
Chester Perry wrote:
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The Football Today Podcast explains Project Red Card and what it means for the future of data in football.

https://www.footballtodaypodcast.com/po ... balls-data

EDIT - This is a fascinating listen - Football Today is probably the best Football Podcast out there - never heard a poor one yet, let alone a bad one
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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by aggi » Wed Sep 23, 2020 6:28 pm

Paul Waine wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:53 pm
There's no reason why ALK aren't "long term capital." I don't think it's Burnley FC where they will aim to make their money. Opportunities, including digital around the Northern Powerhouse.
I've seen a few people say this but I do struggle to see the link somewhat. I can't imagine the North-west, or the "Northern Powerhouse", will be turning down investment if you don't own a local football club.

It may give them a little more of a local reputation (although that can easily flip, football fans are very fickle) but it doesn't seem like it's worth the hundreds of millions it could potentially cost.

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by ZizkovClaret » Wed Sep 23, 2020 6:29 pm

Could certainly see "Come and see what our projects are, and by the way, we're playing Man City on Saturday if you want to stay for that?"

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by BenWickes » Wed Sep 23, 2020 6:30 pm

MRG wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 6:20 pm
...there was also a Chinese investor that got a long way down the line with an approach then seems to have gone cold over recent weeks
May he rest in peace.

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by BurnleyFC » Wed Sep 23, 2020 6:30 pm

What’s all this investment in the North West that everyone keeps going on about?

Apart from Manchester and Liverpool I don’t see much else at all.

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Gordaleman » Wed Sep 23, 2020 6:33 pm

BurnleyFC wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 6:30 pm
What’s all this investment in the North West that everyone keeps going on about?

Apart from Manchester and Liverpool I don’t see much else at all.
You mean the Tories haven't kept their promises? Shock, horror. :o

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Chester Perry » Wed Sep 23, 2020 6:33 pm

MRG wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 6:20 pm
This is excellent news. I know for absolute certain that there was also a Chinese investor that got a long way down the line with an approach then seems to have gone cold over recent weeks
that will have an awful lot to do with the changes in Chinese State policy, like the TV deal

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Rowls » Wed Sep 23, 2020 6:42 pm

DCWat wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:10 pm
Could scouting software not also include profiles of the individuals themselves?
Yes but they’d be subjective whereas stats is objective.

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Vegas Claret » Wed Sep 23, 2020 6:43 pm

BurnleyFC wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 6:30 pm
What’s all this investment in the North West that everyone keeps going on about?

Apart from Manchester and Liverpool I don’t see much else at all.
which is why it's a prime area for investment

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Colburn_Claret » Wed Sep 23, 2020 6:43 pm

I would rather we stayed independent.
I know we need investment, and someone needs to think outside the box how we raise it, but the perils of the wrong people taking over are frightening.
An individual with mega bucks to spare is OK, but an investment company, that you presume wants to make money........
It didn't make sense for Newcastle, it makes no more sense for us.

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Corky » Wed Sep 23, 2020 6:48 pm

Wile E Coyote wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:50 pm
how would a company such as ALK expect to see a return for their investors over a specific timeframe ?
By us winning the Champions League, silly.

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Chester Perry » Wed Sep 23, 2020 6:54 pm

Colburn_Claret wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 6:43 pm
I would rather we stayed independent.
I know we need investment, and someone needs to think outside the box how we raise it, but the perils of the wrong people taking over are frightening.
An individual with mega bucks to spare is OK, but an investment company, that you presume wants to make money........
It didn't make sense for Newcastle, it makes no more sense for us.
Colburn - my immediate reaction to what you have said - not judging just a different perspective

- most clubs who have got into some kind of financial mess are owned by An individual with mega bucks to spare
- an investment company, that you presume wants to make money, is likely to be much more disciplined (especially when it has associated technology interests that could suffer negatively from a club being run poorly
- Newcastle bid was about the wider investment, if failed because there was no separation between state and club in the proposed ownership structure, that required the state to make guarantees to make obligations it was not prepared too.
- there is an awful lot of logic to the bid as we currently understand it, both from vertical integration and what is happening in the area re the power change in local and central government

And yes I would rather we stay independent but that is becoming virtually impossible - if things get as bad as they could within the game we could be down to a closed shop of just 2 leagues
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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by BenWickes » Wed Sep 23, 2020 6:55 pm

Some of you are not taking into account this has gone above and beyond due diligence. There will be a point when there'll be expected a return on investment but they are prepared to look long term.

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by BenWickes » Wed Sep 23, 2020 6:59 pm

Chester Perry wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 6:54 pm
Colburn - my immediate reaction to what you have said - not judging just a different perspective

- most clubs who have got into some kind of financial mess are owned by An individual with mega bucks to spare
- an investment company, that you presume wants to make money, is likely to be much more disciplined (especially when it has associated technology interests that could suffer negatively from a club being run poorly
- Newcastle bid was about the wider investment, if failed because there was no separation between state and club in the proposed ownership structure, that required the state to make guarantees to make obligations it was not prepared too.
- there is an awful lot of logic to the bid as we currently understand it, both from vertical integration and what is happening in the area re the power change in local and central government

And yes I would rather we stay independent but that is becoming virtually impossible - if things get as bad as they could within the game we could be down to a closed shop of just 2 leagues
Agree with all that. Most notably, this is nothing like the Newcastle takeover attempt.

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Vegas Claret » Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:01 pm

Spijed wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 6:12 pm
As they are in it for the money, why us, as we won't generate the same revenues as the majority of other Prem clubs?

Aside from the Sky TV money what else is there in it for them?

The majority of that money goes on wages, signings and bonuses so there isn't too much left over.

Unless they are looking purely for exposure by being in the Prem.
well what if they go the talked about Brentford/moneyball route - buy a player for 4 million and sell him for 30 ?

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Vegas Claret » Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:02 pm

"an investment company, that you presume wants to make money, is likely to be much more disciplined (especially when it has associated technology interests that could suffer negatively from a club being run poorly"

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by DCWat » Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:02 pm

So, considering this is now public, and a couple of days sooner than expected, how quickly might we expect this to progress further?

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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by BenWickes » Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:05 pm

DCWat wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:02 pm
So, considering this is now public, and a couple of days sooner than expected, how quickly might we expect this to progress further?
I'd guess there'd be an announcement by Friday. Which is when I initially expected it.
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Re: ALK Capital...

Post by Vegas Claret » Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:11 pm

BenWickes wrote:
Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:05 pm
I'd guess there'd be an announcement by Friday. Which is when I initially expected it.
I really hope this happens !!!

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