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Policeman shot dead

Post by conyoviejo » Fri Sep 25, 2020 9:45 am

In Croydon. R.I.P.very sad indeed .

The suspect shot himself and was taken to hospital..


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54293111

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Re: Policeman shot dead

Post by bobinho » Fri Sep 25, 2020 9:48 am

This could be a long one

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Re: Policeman shot dead

Post by TsarBomba » Fri Sep 25, 2020 9:55 am

Just seen this. Terrible.

Seen lots of comments online saying why wasn’t he searched. He would’ve been prior to arrival at custody.

We don’t know the circumstances of his arrest, what he was arrested for, and whether a strip search was authorised by the custody sergeant. It may well be that a strip search was authorised and the suspect, once handcuffs were removed, has then drawn his weapon.

Best to wait until the facts emerge.

RIP.

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Re: Policeman shot dead

Post by TVC15 » Fri Sep 25, 2020 10:00 am

Horrible news.
Like Tsar has said better to wait for the news and show some respect before allowing this thread to go the way of so many others this year.

RIP and thoughts with his family, friends and colleagues.

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Re: Policeman shot dead

Post by Jakubclaret » Fri Sep 25, 2020 10:10 am

TVC15 wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 10:00 am
Horrible news.
Like Tsar has said better to wait for the news and show some respect before allowing this thread to go the way of so many others this year.

RIP and thoughts with his family, friends and colleagues.
With all due respect we know pretty much what there is to know already without going into the miniature details as it's all over the news, I'll definitely echo the sentiments, RIP & thoughts to everybody concerned with the fatality.

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Re: Policeman shot dead

Post by tiger76 » Fri Sep 25, 2020 10:23 am

Terrible news RIP to the victim.

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Re: Policeman shot dead

Post by Claretitus » Fri Sep 25, 2020 11:21 pm

Echo the sentiments above. RIP. A guy just doing his job. However, it’s just been on the news, the guy who was arrested was still in cuffs when he drew the weapon. WTF??

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Re: Policeman shot dead

Post by NewClaret » Fri Sep 25, 2020 11:28 pm

Terribly sad news. A Kiwi who has served the people of London in the Met for 29 years and coached a local rugby team. Appears to have been a pillar of the community, which somehow makes it worse. RIP.

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Re: Policeman shot dead

Post by ElectroClaret » Fri Sep 25, 2020 11:29 pm

Claretitus wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 11:21 pm
...the guy who was arrested was still in cuffs when he drew the weapon. WTF??
Who knows? Better let em investigate, they'll have the facts.

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Re: Policeman shot dead

Post by mybloodisclaret » Fri Sep 25, 2020 11:29 pm

RIP to the desk Sgt who has so sadly and needlessly lost his life. I won't speculate on the circumstances of his death, but will only offer my most heartfelt and deepest condolences to this man, his family, his friends and colleagues. May he rest in piece, the thin blue line just got a little thinner 💙
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Re: Policeman shot dead

Post by Damo » Fri Sep 25, 2020 11:39 pm

Horrible.

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Re: Policeman shot dead

Post by bobinho » Sat Sep 26, 2020 8:44 am

This man appears to have been an exceptional human being, which makes his slaying even worse.

Can’t imagine what his loved ones and colleagues are going thru.

What is good to see tho is how this thread hasn’t been hijacked. I didn’t hold out much hope when it was started but I’m glad it’s become nothing more than a thread showing compassion and respect. Maybe we ARE learning after all...

RIP fella...
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Re: Policeman shot dead

Post by Stayingup » Sat Sep 26, 2020 8:57 am

This is utterly shocking.

Can't see there being any complaints about stop and arrest here. In fact I would advocate the ulitmate punishment for murdering a police officer.

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Re: Policeman shot dead

Post by Burnley1989 » Sat Sep 26, 2020 9:28 am

If he doesn’t die from his injuries there’s no way he should ever be a free man again.

Such a sad incident, really feel for his family and colleagues
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Re: Policeman shot dead

Post by groove » Sat Sep 26, 2020 9:58 am

Suspect known to anti terrorism division.

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Re: Policeman shot dead

Post by Gordaleman » Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:25 am

groove wrote:
Sat Sep 26, 2020 9:58 am
Suspect known to anti terrorism division.
Thousands are, but they can't all be monitored 24 hours a day.

The circumstances here appear rather unusual and it's not clear at the moment whether the suspect was arrested somewhere outside the station or made his own way there. Best to wait for the enquiry instead of speculating.

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Re: Policeman shot dead

Post by Jakubclaret » Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:34 am

Gordaleman wrote:
Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:25 am
Thousands are, but they can't all be monitored 24 hours a day.

The circumstances here appear rather unusual and it's not clear at the moment whether the suspect was arrested somewhere outside the station or made his own way there. Best to wait for the enquiry instead of speculating.
He was detained & transported in the police vehicle to the station. The facts are there people just need to read the information.

https://news.sky.com/story/croydon-poli ... a-12081576

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Re: Policeman shot dead

Post by Gordaleman » Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:43 am

Jakubclaret wrote:
Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:34 am
He was detained & transported in the police vehicle to the station. The facts are there people just need to read the information.

https://news.sky.com/story/croydon-poli ... a-12081576
Fine, I'm a little out of date then. That suggests that the people who 'Transported' him will be feeling a tad guilty today as they clearly didn't search him properly. I'm sure the enquiry will find out what happened.

Quite incredible that they appear to have found ammunition on him but didn't find the gun though.

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Re: Policeman shot dead

Post by evensteadiereddie » Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:46 am

Stayingup wrote:
Sat Sep 26, 2020 8:57 am
This is utterly shocking.

Can't see there being any complaints about stop and arrest here. In fact I would advocate the ulitmate punishment for murdering a police officer.

You should, out of respect, stopped at "shocking" .

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Re: Policeman shot dead

Post by Jakubclaret » Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:51 am

Gordaleman wrote:
Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:43 am
Fine, I'm a little out of date then. That suggests that the people who 'Transported' him will be feeling a tad guilty today as they clearly didn't search him properly. I'm sure the enquiry will find out what happened.

Quite incredible that they appear to have found ammunition on him but didn't find the gun though.
It’s possible that he was checked thoroughly & the gun was found in the van unlikely but it’s a possibility the van wasn’t searched after last being used prior to detaining the suspect. Like you say the enquiry will find this out.

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Re: Policeman shot dead

Post by ecc » Sat Sep 26, 2020 4:14 pm

Right now, let us think solely of his family and loved ones.

RIP
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Re: Policeman shot dead

Post by Tribesmen » Sat Sep 26, 2020 4:18 pm

Croydon , i know the area well .

Firearms kill

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Re: Policeman shot dead

Post by Vegas Claret » Sat Sep 26, 2020 4:19 pm

groove wrote:
Sat Sep 26, 2020 9:58 am
Suspect known to anti terrorism division.
he was arrested for drug supply not terrorism

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Re: Policeman shot dead

Post by bpgburn » Sat Sep 26, 2020 4:29 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Sat Sep 26, 2020 4:19 pm
he was arrested for drug supply not terrorism
He didn't say he was arrested for terrorism only that he was known to anti-terrorism, which he is.

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Re: Policeman shot dead

Post by Vegas Claret » Sat Sep 26, 2020 4:32 pm

bpgburn wrote:
Sat Sep 26, 2020 4:29 pm
He didn't say he was arrested for terrorism only that he was known to anti-terrorism, which he is.
and I didn't say he wasn't known to anti-terrorism, I said he was arrested for drugs supply

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Re: Policeman shot dead

Post by bpgburn » Sat Sep 26, 2020 4:42 pm

I didn't say you didn't say he was arrested for drug supply did I?

He was actually arrested for being in possession of a class A drug with the intent to supply if you want to be that picky..

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Re: Policeman shot dead

Post by Vegas Claret » Sat Sep 26, 2020 4:45 pm

bpgburn wrote:
Sat Sep 26, 2020 4:42 pm
I didn't say you didn't say he was arrested for drug supply did I?

He was actually arrested for being in possession of a class A drug with the intent to supply if you want to be that picky..
Class B not A

Go have a lie down, you've managed to turn a statement of fact into some sort of crusade for some unknown reason. I'm not interested in arguing over a fact.

RIP to the policeman, should never have happened regardless.

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Re: Policeman shot dead

Post by Damo » Sun Sep 27, 2020 8:58 am

Vegas Claret wrote:
Sat Sep 26, 2020 4:19 pm
he was arrested for drug supply not terrorism
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-54306 ... ssion=true

Looks like the police have been having controlled explosions in his underground drug supply bunkers

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Re: Policeman shot dead

Post by Caballo » Sun Sep 27, 2020 9:14 am

Vegas Claret wrote:
Sat Sep 26, 2020 4:45 pm

Go have a lie down, you've managed to turn a statement of fact into some sort of crusade for some unknown reason. I'm not interested in arguing over a fact.
Physician heal thyself.
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Re: Policeman shot dead

Post by Vegas Claret » Sun Sep 27, 2020 5:08 pm

Damo wrote:
Sun Sep 27, 2020 8:58 am
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-54306 ... ssion=true

Looks like the police have been having controlled explosions in his underground drug supply bunkers
madness mate. Regardless, London has a huge problem with organized crime

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Re: Policeman shot dead

Post by Herts Clarets » Sun Sep 27, 2020 7:56 pm

White Police officer shot dead in Britain by black gun man. Brace yourself for the protests, demonstrations, marches, celebrities jumping on the bandwagon, professional footballers making a stand before each game. Police lives matter.

Surely that's what is going to happen isn't it?
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Re: Policeman shot dead

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Sun Sep 27, 2020 7:59 pm

If it was a common theme over a number of years I bet It would.

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Re: Policeman shot dead

Post by Devils_Advocate » Sun Sep 27, 2020 8:06 pm

Herts Clarets wrote:
Sun Sep 27, 2020 7:56 pm
White Police officer shot dead in Britain by black gun man. Brace yourself for the protests, demonstrations, marches, celebrities jumping on the bandwagon, professional footballers making a stand before each game. Police lives matter.

Surely that's what is going to happen isn't it?
It pretty universally accepted that criminals (especially murderers) are the bad guys and wrong uns but when the people who are paid and entrusted to protects us abuse that trust and act criminally towards us then this is a real cause for concern (especially if large parts of society ignore and even defend this behaviour)

I could understand a schoolkid not getting the difference but it isnt that subtle or nuanced that it should need explaining to an adult but there you go

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Re: Policeman shot dead

Post by Jenny55 » Sun Sep 27, 2020 8:49 pm

Whaaat ?
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Re: Policeman shot dead

Post by Bigbopper » Sun Sep 27, 2020 9:13 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Sun Sep 27, 2020 8:06 pm
It pretty universally accepted that criminals (especially murderers) are the bad guys and wrong uns but when the people who are paid and entrusted to protects us abuse that trust and act criminally towards us then this is a real cause for concern (especially if large parts of society ignore and even defend this behaviour)

I could understand a schoolkid not getting the difference but it isnt that subtle or nuanced that it should need explaining to an adult but there you go
I have never carried a gun/ knife, dealt drugs nor lived off immoral earnings and strangely enough the police have never acted criminally towards me.

Even a schoolchild can possibly understand why.

If some sections of the community choose to live their lives in a different way then take the consequences.

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Re: Policeman shot dead

Post by FactualFrank » Sun Sep 27, 2020 9:14 pm

Jenny55 wrote:
Sun Sep 27, 2020 8:49 pm
Whaaat ?
I must admit, I had to read it 3 times to make sure he wasn't messing about.

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Re: Policeman shot dead

Post by conyoviejo » Sun Sep 27, 2020 9:18 pm

FactualFrank wrote:
Sun Sep 27, 2020 9:14 pm
I must admit, I had to read it 3 times to make sure he wasn't messing about.
Don't waste your time reading his posts Frank. :D

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Re: Policeman shot dead

Post by Devils_Advocate » Sun Sep 27, 2020 9:31 pm

Bigbopper wrote:
Sun Sep 27, 2020 9:13 pm
I have never carried a gun/ knife, dealt drugs nor lived off immoral earnings and strangely enough the police have never acted criminally towards me.

Even a schoolchild can possibly understand why.

If some sections of the community choose to live their lives in a different way then take the consequences.
Im not defending the criminals, Im explaining why the way society reacts to criminals being criminals is different to police acting criminally or even against their code of ethics

Also just because something hasnt happened to you doesnt mean it hasnt happened to anyone else. I never had any trouble off the police in Athens so dows that mean the coachload who got taken to the cells were themselves to blame?

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Re: Policeman shot dead

Post by Jenny55 » Sun Sep 27, 2020 9:40 pm

No he isn’t messing about, there is a clear agenda here. I don’t know if the British Police have acted criminally against him, or anyone he knows? Doubt it. But yes probably best not to read his posts.

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Re: Policeman shot dead

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sun Sep 27, 2020 9:49 pm

Bigbopper wrote:
Sun Sep 27, 2020 9:13 pm
I have never carried a gun/ knife, dealt drugs nor lived off immoral earnings and strangely enough the police have never acted criminally towards me.

Even a schoolchild can possibly understand why.

If some sections of the community choose to live their lives in a different way then take the consequences.
Boring get.

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Re: Policeman shot dead

Post by Devils_Advocate » Sun Sep 27, 2020 9:49 pm

Jenny55 wrote:
Sun Sep 27, 2020 9:40 pm
No he isn’t messing about, there is a clear agenda here. I don’t know if the British Police have acted criminally against him, or anyone he knows? Doubt it. But yes probably best not to read his posts.
I'll explain it for you seen as you are struggling and jumping to wrong conclusions.

Poster implied some hypocrisy that when a white policeman killed a black person there was mass protests yet when a black criminal killed a white policeman there is silence

I was explaining (what I thought was a pretty simple point) that there is a difference between criminals unlawfully killing and police unlawfully killing

Who are we meant to protest against for criminals killing people? Are we to have a mass protest against criminals being criminals? Please tell me what who we should protest against cos I think (or i thought) society was all on the same page that we have police and a criminal justice system set up to prevent, catch up and lock away criminals?

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Re: Policeman shot dead

Post by Jenny55 » Sun Sep 27, 2020 9:50 pm

Whaaat?

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Re: Policeman shot dead

Post by Jenny55 » Sun Sep 27, 2020 9:52 pm

Tell me where have Police been unlawfully killing innocent people in the UK?

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Re: Policeman shot dead

Post by Jenny55 » Sun Sep 27, 2020 9:53 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Sun Sep 27, 2020 9:49 pm
Boring get.
That is a real constructive response.

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Re: Policeman shot dead

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sun Sep 27, 2020 9:58 pm

Jenny55 wrote:
Sun Sep 27, 2020 9:53 pm
That is a real constructive response.
It was a joke....

I actually agree with the content but I'm not really in the mood for a meaningful discussion on it.

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Re: Policeman shot dead

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sun Sep 27, 2020 9:59 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Sun Sep 27, 2020 9:49 pm
I'll explain it for you seen as you are struggling and jumping to wrong conclusions.

Poster implied some hypocrisy that when a white policeman killed a black person there was mass protests yet when a black criminal killed a white policeman there is silence

I was explaining (what I thought was a pretty simple point) that there is a difference between criminals unlawfully killing and police unlawfully killing

Who are we meant to protest against for criminals killing people? Are we to have a mass protest against criminals being criminals? Please tell me what who we should protest against cos I think (or i thought) society was all on the same page that we have police and a criminal justice system set up to prevent, catch up and lock away criminals?
I think we should have a BLM protest due to the number of black males being killed by other black males.

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Re: Policeman shot dead

Post by Devils_Advocate » Sun Sep 27, 2020 10:01 pm

Jenny55 wrote:
Sun Sep 27, 2020 9:52 pm
Tell me where have Police been unlawfully killing innocent people in the UK?
The protests in the UK were about the disproportionate treatment of black people in the UK by the police rather than the unlawful killing that is seen in the US.

Whether their is racism in the UK police is another argument altogether as all I was highlighting is why society is more like to protest against the perceived wrongful actions of the police than they are against the actions of criminals.

Again I cant believe an adult cannot understand the difference between protests against police actions and reactions to crimes by criminals

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Re: Policeman shot dead

Post by Devils_Advocate » Sun Sep 27, 2020 10:02 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Sun Sep 27, 2020 9:59 pm
I think we should have a BLM protest due to the number of black males being killed by other black males.
Nice one, who are we going to protest against and what are we going to demand?

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Re: Policeman shot dead

Post by Jenny55 » Sun Sep 27, 2020 10:02 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Sun Sep 27, 2020 9:59 pm
I think we should have a BLM protest due to the number of black males being killed by other black males.
Now that is actually a constructive point. One I agree with.

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Re: Policeman shot dead

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sun Sep 27, 2020 10:04 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:
Sun Sep 27, 2020 10:02 pm
Nice one, who are we going to protest against and what are we going to demand?
Dunno, I just fancy a day off work, I'll leave the details up to you.

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