Is Dyche overstepping the mark now?

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Re: Is Dyche overstepping the mark now?

Post by Chester Perry » Fri Sep 25, 2020 6:19 pm

Wellsy1882 wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 5:41 pm
Dyche is god. Simple
What a stupid post
fixed that for you

- he has been brilliant for us, I want him to carry on but have a bit of perspective please
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Re: Is Dyche overstepping the mark now?

Post by Jenny55 » Fri Sep 25, 2020 6:20 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 2:47 pm
That’s just Dyche’s sense of humour.

Strange, I get pulled up for it but I’ve been saying for months and months that the Garlick/Dyche relationship is irreparable. That’s how I believe it is and it will end when one of them leaves.
Tony, is Dyche still on a rolling 12 months contract or did the club sign him up for longer? Reason I ask this is that if Dyche is on the rolling deal and the relationship is so strained, why hasn’t Garlick potted him? Or is his business head telling him to persevere with it until another Prem club come calling for Dyche along with a compensation package?

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Re: Is Dyche overstepping the mark now?

Post by BurnleyFC » Fri Sep 25, 2020 6:46 pm

The more and more this goes on the more he’s sounding like Owen Coyle with regards to our budget.

He’ll be telling Mick McCarthy all about it next.

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Re: Is Dyche overstepping the mark now?

Post by Billy Balfour » Fri Sep 25, 2020 7:27 pm

Christ.

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Re: Is Dyche overstepping the mark now?

Post by Nonayforever » Fri Sep 25, 2020 7:29 pm

I think the same as CT.
The relationship is past repair. His remarks are truly disrespectful to his employer, his employees and to the fans who haven't got claret tinted specs on.
He won't leave as he has no where better to go. The only plus this season will be the good cup runs - he will be playing his best team to win what he can this year, just to prove a point.

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Re: Is Dyche overstepping the mark now?

Post by Boss Hogg » Fri Sep 25, 2020 7:31 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 5:22 pm
Imagine the board getting stick off Dyche when they took a chance on an inexperienced young manager who had just been sacked.

Who have paid this manager more wages than every other Burnley manager in it's history put together.

Who backed him when the 15m record signing fell out with his assistant and cost the club millions.

Who backed him when he relegated us when most clubs would have potted him.

Who stood by him after shocking defeats to Accy Stanley, Lincoln and Burton.


It takes a partnership for any club to be successful. Taking sides is nonsense.
A good angle on this. We all think he needs backing but it becomes tiresome when it is brought up every interview. He could just say his views are known and he has commented on it before if asked. Garlick at the end of the day took a chance on him and has made him a very wealthy man.

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Re: Is Dyche overstepping the mark now?

Post by Jakubclaret » Fri Sep 25, 2020 7:32 pm

Having a balanced viewpoint it’s easy to see both sides, on 1 hand you can’t give or don’t want to give what’s not there or possibly there & on the other hand somebody who wants all the tools at his disposal to make the best possible fist of the job in hand in order to keep his reputation intact, without any flexibility or leeway you can only see the continuation reaching a impasse.

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Re: Is Dyche overstepping the mark now?

Post by Burnley1989 » Fri Sep 25, 2020 7:38 pm

Spijed wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 6:16 pm
Imagine if Mike Garlick sacked Dyche for comments out of turn.

Where would we be then?

Would supporters be happier being in the Championship as a result?
There’s can’t be many jobs where you wouldn’t be to be fair, he knows he holds the aces at the minutes

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Re: Is Dyche overstepping the mark now?

Post by Boss Hogg » Fri Sep 25, 2020 7:39 pm

Dyche could want to prove a point to any potential new owners and needs funds to do his job better. Dyche has had one of the most secure managerial jobs in football and certainly the Premier League ( not saying he hasn’t deserved it but it’s unusual). Any takeover suddenly makes his job less secure. The snipes could be a sign of this. For what it’s worth I think he deserved backing.

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Re: Is Dyche overstepping the mark now?

Post by ClaretTony » Fri Sep 25, 2020 7:42 pm

Jenny55 wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 6:20 pm
Tony, is Dyche still on a rolling 12 months contract or did the club sign him up for longer? Reason I ask this is that if Dyche is on the rolling deal and the relationship is so strained, why hasn’t Garlick potted him? Or is his business head telling him to persevere with it until another Prem club come calling for Dyche along with a compensation package?
Signed a long term deal in Jan 2018 which runs until end of 21/22 season

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Re: Is Dyche overstepping the mark now?

Post by summitclaret » Fri Sep 25, 2020 7:45 pm

He does deserve backing to the extent that we must get at least 1 cb and right side wide man in now.

Never agreed with the public fuss he made pre the restart re Hendrick etc, when we didn't even know the season would finish.

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Re: Is Dyche overstepping the mark now?

Post by Bin Ont Turf » Fri Sep 25, 2020 7:46 pm

How frustrating it must be to not even have a budget.

He likes taking the p1ss with the media anyway and he doesn't do straight answers.

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Re: Is Dyche overstepping the mark now?

Post by BurnleyFC » Fri Sep 25, 2020 7:49 pm

Sean Dyche has been absolutely brilliant for us but you’re only ever a season away from being the next Danny Wilson.

He’s a brilliant fit for our football club and I’d love for him to be England manager one day but there are certainly no guarantees that he could emulate his success at another club nor be given the time to try.

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Re: Is Dyche overstepping the mark now?

Post by claret54 » Fri Sep 25, 2020 7:56 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:05 pm
I thought it was a ridiculous and unnecessary comment. He does neither himself nor the club any favours with this sort of stuff.
It's a joke. Have a laugh. It's the Burnley way. Celebrate our fantastic
success on a low budget.

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Re: Is Dyche overstepping the mark now?

Post by Billy Balfour » Fri Sep 25, 2020 8:07 pm

Some crazy stuff on here. A thrown away comment during an interview and all of a sudden it's a case of not respecting 'authoritah' by 'overstepping the mark'. Makes me wonder if some folk are living in an alternative reality where the peasants are still being crush by serfdom.

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Re: Is Dyche overstepping the mark now?

Post by Spijed » Fri Sep 25, 2020 8:08 pm

The phrase 'Be careful what you wish for' springs to mind and things can easily end in disaster.

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Re: Is Dyche overstepping the mark now?

Post by basil6345789 » Fri Sep 25, 2020 8:09 pm

martin_p wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 2:46 pm
He’s made a joke about also getting in a bag of balls and some bibs when a journalist has suggested the ‘magic cheque book’ must be open because we’ve signed Dale Stephens. The OP needs to tune into the Dyche sense of humour a bit more.
Yes, he has a great sense of humour but some people won't get it. He's inherited his psychology brilliance from his father.

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Re: Is Dyche overstepping the mark now?

Post by boatshed bill » Fri Sep 25, 2020 8:19 pm

claret54 wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 7:56 pm
It's a joke. Have a laugh. It's the Burnley way. Celebrate our fantastic
success on a low budget.
That's OK as long as everyone gets it.
Your smarter option would be keep your jokes for comedy club...if you think you're funny enough.

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Re: Is Dyche overstepping the mark now?

Post by Jenny55 » Fri Sep 25, 2020 8:19 pm

ClaretTony wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 7:42 pm
Signed a long term deal in Jan 2018 which runs until end of 21/22 season
Thanks Tony.

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Re: Is Dyche overstepping the mark now?

Post by Longsidelenny1882 » Fri Sep 25, 2020 8:22 pm

Mr dyche is stepping over the mark in my opinion he is the best manager the club as ever had listened to many interviews recently with him he is coming across as all about him me me me springs to mind think he might be pushing the club to far might end in tears 😭 utc

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Re: Is Dyche overstepping the mark now?

Post by PutTheWheelieBinsOut » Fri Sep 25, 2020 8:23 pm

Dyche makes the value of Garlick's shares in the football club go up, thats why he keeps him. Dyche has made the football club £100's of Millions of pounds with his management. If you disagree thats fine but tell me a manager who could have done what Sean as done for our club.

Far far easier for Garlick to appoint good people to manage the accounts when there's millions coming in to the club. Being in Business and not a football man you would imagine Garlick's talents would lend themselves to promote and support the commercial side of the club, however despite the growth in staff the outcome in terms of revenue remains disappointing for a Premier league club.

We simply can't say that whilst Dyche has been performing miracles on the football field, Garlick has performed miracles off it, as the evidence just isn't there.

Garlick needs Dyche far more than Dyche needs Garlick. Garlick without Dyche we would probably be a Championship side and especially in current circumstances it might have forced Garlick to invest some of his own money in to the football club. Yes sure Garlick has bought shares from other share holders, but that's not new money in to the football club.

Garlick will be judged in the years ahead, if in 15 years time we are sat watching lower league football and we glance over to the cricket field stand closed for safety reasons and the 'roof wasn't fixed whilst the sun was shining' what will we say then to ourselves about Garlick's tenure as Chairman.
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Re: Is Dyche overstepping the mark now?

Post by Long Time Lurker » Fri Sep 25, 2020 8:52 pm

I think Dyche was over stepping the mark and creating what could be false hope. It isn't helpful to get people drooling over the idea of new bibs.

We can't be sure that we will get new bibs until they actually arrive in the club and pictures are posted of our players wearing them.

We might not get any new bibs or we might chose to rent bibs instead of buying them outright.
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Re: Is Dyche overstepping the mark now?

Post by Long Time Lurker » Fri Sep 25, 2020 9:01 pm

Ric_C wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:00 pm
So soon we could reach a fork on the road:

1. Garlick stays and Dyche leaves
2. Takeover happens and Dyche stays, along with a more flexible budget
3. Takeover happens and they want to bring a new man in

Wonder which one it will be?
Number 3, worst case scenario, they both leave in the space of a year

Garlick and the other directors sell up to a consortium that is looking for a quick return.
The new investors don't put any additional money into the club to buy any new players.
The new investors asset strip the club to recover their buy in money and post a profit.
The Technical Director assumes control of the club, working on behalf of the investors.
He uses some of the money from all the player sales to fund a massive squad overhaul.
Dyche remains out of the loop and he is given inferior players to replace all those sold.
Dyche leaves the club, along with his key staff, when another EPL club comes calling.
We sign a patsy Head Coach, lose our identity and then we fall through the leagues.

I would have dismissed the ALK takeover news as an empty vehicle for free publicity, were it not for their previous interest in Sheffield United and the fact that our club could be bought for nothing with some severe asset stripping.

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Re: Is Dyche overstepping the mark now?

Post by Chester Perry » Fri Sep 25, 2020 11:17 pm

As always with these things you have to watch the whole press conference not a clip that is severely edited - so make your mind up when you see the whole episode

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AU2ebAjaUwc

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Re: Is Dyche overstepping the mark now?

Post by Dyched » Fri Sep 25, 2020 11:37 pm

Whilst he’s gotten very tedious during his interviews I don’t see much in it. Imo he likes to have a laugh with the press to keep them sweet. They know when they travel here every week it’ll a bit of lighthearted fun in the press room. In return Dyche never has to answer any difficult questions and rarely if ever comes under fire from the press.

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Re: Is Dyche overstepping the mark now?

Post by NewClaret » Sat Sep 26, 2020 12:04 am

It was a question about transfer dealings. He clearly just wanted to avoid answering the question without prejudicing the ongoing negotiations. I’d imagine it’s quite helpful for clubs to be reminded we have a tight-arse chairman at the moment.

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Re: Is Dyche overstepping the mark now?

Post by Local cricketer » Sat Sep 26, 2020 12:10 am

Wait till next week when he gets sacked is replaced by Bruce arena

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Re: Is Dyche overstepping the mark now?

Post by Paul Waine » Sat Sep 26, 2020 12:28 am

Sean Dyche is brilliant at "dead pan" comedy. I don't see anything disrespectful in speaking about the "magic cheque book." I can imagine Sean Dyche and Mike Garlick having a little chuckle together how some have reacted to his little quips. It is a nice friendly way of saying to the media "please don't ask me about XXX. I don't want to tell you and it's in the best interest of the club that I don't tell you anything. Apart from that, let's continue with the contractually required press conference."

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Post by Blyclaret » Sat Sep 26, 2020 12:33 am

I met and spoke to Dyche few years ago at a training camp.
Came across as a smart ass ... knew all answers. Wasent impressed.
Woan on other hand was extremely friendly and polite.
Think he needs to have some respect for his employers.

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Re: Is Dyche overstepping the mark now?

Post by Vegas Claret » Sat Sep 26, 2020 12:39 am

Dyche has earned the right to say pretty much whatever he wants, he clearly can't come out and call the chairman a **** nor would I expect him too - but he has every right to let supporters know where the issue lies when it comes to signing players. Joke or not we all know where the issue lies.

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Re: Is Dyche overstepping the mark now?

Post by Long Time Lurker » Sat Sep 26, 2020 12:48 am

Image

Double, double, toil and trouble
Money burns and tempers bubble

Nina Simone - I put a spell on you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ua2k52n_Bvw

All Hallows Eve has come a little early :)

Or for the Disney crowd - Happy Halloween !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwpaA5HGo9k

Oops, now I'm imagining Dyche, Woan and Garlick dressed in pantomime drag as the Sanderson sisters - shudders.

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Re: Is Dyche overstepping the mark now?

Post by charlyt » Sat Sep 26, 2020 12:52 am

Mr Dyche has no doubt, become a millonaire on the back of his stewardship of BFC.
Maybe he would be best advised to alter his tack and just get on with the job, for which he is handsomely paid.~
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Re: Is Dyche overstepping the mark now?

Post by Quicknick » Sat Sep 26, 2020 1:53 am

charlyt wrote:
Sat Sep 26, 2020 12:52 am
Mr Dyche has no doubt, become a millonaire on the back of his stewardship of BFC.
Maybe he would be best advised to alter his tack and just get on with the job, for which he is handsomely paid.~
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I think getting on with the job is what he's been trying to do.

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Re: Is Dyche overstepping the mark now?

Post by jojomk1 » Sat Sep 26, 2020 7:32 am

Long Time Lurker wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 8:52 pm
I think Dyche was over stepping the mark and creating what could be false hope. It isn't helpful to get people drooling over the idea of new bibs.

We can't be sure that we will get new bibs until they actually arrive in the club and pictures are posted of our players wearing them.

We might not get any new bibs or we might chose to rent bibs instead of buying them outright.
"To buy or to rent" - that is the question

We could, of course, just loan them to save money

But Dyche never plays a loan so no point in that 8-)

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Re: Is Dyche overstepping the mark now?

Post by JohnMcGreal » Sat Sep 26, 2020 7:37 am

If Sean Dyche is still our manager at Christmas I'll be amazed.

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Re: Is Dyche overstepping the mark now?

Post by Nonayforever » Sat Sep 26, 2020 7:39 am

Chester Perry wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 11:17 pm
As always with these things you have to watch the whole press conference not a clip that is severely edited - so make your mind up when you see the whole episode

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AU2ebAjaUwc
Seeing the whole clip does indeed put a different spin on the whole " joke" side of the interview. It is more if a tongue in cheek type of joke rather than a dig at MG.

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Re: Is Dyche overstepping the mark now?

Post by bennitor » Sat Sep 26, 2020 7:41 am

Imagine working in a factory where year after year you are asking the boss for crucial resources that you need to do your job and every year it's a battle and a fight to get anything yet you still outperform every expectation and smash your targets. Then imagine you have to give an interview week in week out to the media about it. And that this has been going on for several years.

Sure Dyche isn't perfect, can be tactically rigid, made some poor signings etc. but when it's the same scenario most years it will get frustrating no matter what his wage is. I think he is relatively controlled in his press work - but that frustration will continue to come out over time.

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Post by PremierLeagueClass » Sat Sep 26, 2020 8:49 am

Some interesting replies arguing both sides. First of all, I do “get” Dyche humour... to be honest I think part of the problem is I’ve heard it so many times now. To fans outside the club I know a lot find it very funny. However, as a supporter of the club you’d have to extremely naive to not see what he’s doing.

Essentially, it’s slagging of the boss and disguising it as humour. Dyche knows that and I think we all know that. I get why everyone is defending Dyche here, the man will have a statue outside Turf Moor one day... But if you’re the boss and your employee is generating negativity in the media about how you run things, never mind just in the workplace, you have to take action. That’s why I’m worried Dyche is overstepping the mark. If he pushes Garlick too far, who’s to say he won’t pull the trigger.
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Post by Spijed » Sat Sep 26, 2020 8:58 am

PremierLeagueClass wrote:
Sat Sep 26, 2020 8:49 am
Some interesting replies arguing both sides. First of all, I do “get” Dyche humour... to be honest I think part of the problem is I’ve heard it so many times now. To fans outside the club I know a lot find it very funny. However, as a supporter of the club you’d have to extremely naive to not see what he’s doing.

Essentially, it’s slagging of the boss and disguising it as humour. Dyche knows that and I think we all know that. I get why everyone is defending Dyche here, the man will have a statue outside Turf Moor one day... But if you’re the boss and your employee is generating negativity in the media about how you run things, never mind just in the workplace, you have to take action. That’s why I’m worried Dyche is overstepping the mark. If he pushes Garlick too far, who’s to say he won’t pull the trigger.
It would be utterly stupid to sack SD if it led to relegation

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Re: Is Dyche overstepping the mark now?

Post by ClaretAL » Sat Sep 26, 2020 9:07 am

PremierLeagueClass wrote:
Sat Sep 26, 2020 8:49 am
Some interesting replies arguing both sides. First of all, I do “get” Dyche humour... to be honest I think part of the problem is I’ve heard it so many times now. To fans outside the club I know a lot find it very funny. However, as a supporter of the club you’d have to extremely naive to not see what he’s doing.

Essentially, it’s slagging of the boss and disguising it as humour. Dyche knows that and I think we all know that. I get why everyone is defending Dyche here, the man will have a statue outside Turf Moor one day... But if you’re the boss and your employee is generating negativity in the media about how you run things, never mind just in the workplace, you have to take action. That’s why I’m worried Dyche is overstepping the mark. If he pushes Garlick too far, who’s to say he won’t pull the trigger.
Or Dyche knows the take over is going through and had discussions with them on his future and knows he is bomb proof and that Garlick wont be here much longer. If we break our records for signing Harry Wilson, I think that could be an indicator of that. All if's buts and ands, and a hell of a conspiracy story but you never know.

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Re: Is Dyche overstepping the mark now?

Post by jrgbfc » Sat Sep 26, 2020 9:17 am

Problem is it's not funny in the slightest. Its every single interview now and it's just really tedious. Constantly putting the club down in the media doesn't exactly make us more attractive to potential new players does it?

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Re: Is Dyche overstepping the mark now?

Post by BurnleyFC » Sat Sep 26, 2020 9:19 am

Paul Waine wrote:
Sat Sep 26, 2020 12:28 am
Sean Dyche is brilliant at "dead pan" comedy. I don't see anything disrespectful in speaking about the "magic cheque book." I can imagine Sean Dyche and Mike Garlick having a little chuckle together how some have reacted to his little quips. It is a nice friendly way of saying to the media "please don't ask me about XXX. I don't want to tell you and it's in the best interest of the club that I don't tell you anything. Apart from that, let's continue with the contractually required press conference."

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There’s no way on earth that Dyche and Garlick have a little chuckle to themselves about these quips. I can’t imagine other members of the board being too impressed about them, either.

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Re: Is Dyche overstepping the mark now?

Post by Paul Waine » Sat Sep 26, 2020 9:41 am

JohnMcGreal wrote:
Sat Sep 26, 2020 7:37 am
If Sean Dyche is still our manager at Christmas I'll be amazed.
What's Christmas, John? No parties this year. :(

Only way Sean Dyche is not managing Burnley this season is if a bigger Premier League club is potted their manager and has got money to buy out Sean Dyche's contract with Burnley.

Or, Burnley has new owners and very different plans for the club.

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Re: Is Dyche overstepping the mark now?

Post by TVC15 » Sat Sep 26, 2020 9:46 am

Watched the interview in full and don’t really see any difference in his sarcastic comments than previous times. In my view I think it’s pretty obvious what he is doing.
Did notice earlier in the interview he also mentioned working within the guidelines the chairman gives him - even though he has said recently he’s not been given any (something personally I just don’t believe)

Later in the interview they return to his comments earlier in the week about the Premier League helping smaller clubs down the Pyramid to survive during Covid. Really do not get his argument that he thinks that all other sectors and industries need to do this if the Premier League clubs have to. Why should football care if for example the pharmaceutical industry is or isn’t doing this ? The gulf between the Premier League club and say the 2nd division is obscene. A month of Gareth Bale’s wages would be enough to get most of those division clubs through Covid. And it’s also in the clubs interest to protect the pyramid and strong structure we have in this country - especially for a club like Burnley who have not only been in this position many times but have also used this pool of lower league clubs and players many times to buy players.

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Re: Is Dyche overstepping the mark now?

Post by Quickenthetempo » Sat Sep 26, 2020 9:46 am

Paul Waine wrote:
Sat Sep 26, 2020 9:41 am
What's Christmas, John? No parties this year. :(

Only way Sean Dyche is not managing Burnley this season is if a bigger Premier League club is potted their manager and has got money to buy out Sean Dyche's contract with Burnley.

Or, Burnley has new owners and very different plans for the club.

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With all due respect the chances of Dyche getting a big premier league job are the same as me.

I don't speak multi languages or have a decent European scouting network either.

I can't think of a single English player getting signed by one of the big clubs this summer can you?
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Re: Is Dyche overstepping the mark now?

Post by Jakubclaret » Sat Sep 26, 2020 9:47 am

Paul Waine wrote:
Sat Sep 26, 2020 9:41 am
What's Christmas, John? No parties this year. :(

Only way Sean Dyche is not managing Burnley this season is if a bigger Premier League club is potted their manager and has got money to buy out Sean Dyche's contract with Burnley.

Or, Burnley has new owners and very different plans for the club.

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Or alternatively he decides to leave he would be breaching his contract & joining another club if the said club refused to enter into any compensation agreement admittedly which would be unlikely but possible, if he was guaranteed something far more favourable & overall more lucrative it’s a risk you would consider taking.

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Re: Is Dyche overstepping the mark now?

Post by firstclaret » Sat Sep 26, 2020 9:50 am

Some signings work some don’t, every club signs a dud now and again, but you need some depth to the squad to be competitive and outside our starting 11, we are desperately short and in danger of losing our premier league place by not being able to compete.

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Re: Is Dyche overstepping the mark now?

Post by BurnleyFC » Sat Sep 26, 2020 9:58 am

Quickenthetempo wrote:
Sat Sep 26, 2020 9:46 am
With all due respect the chances of Dyche getting a big premier league job are the same as me.

I don't speak multi languages or have a decent European scouting network either.

I can't think of a single English player getting signed by one of the big clubs this summer can you?
Ben Chilwell, but I take your point.
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Re: Is Dyche overstepping the mark now?

Post by Paul Waine » Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:01 am

Quickenthetempo wrote:
Sat Sep 26, 2020 9:46 am
With all due respect the chances of Dyche getting a big premier league job are the same as me.

I don't speak multi languages or have a decent European scouting network either.

I can't think of a single English player getting signed by one of the big clubs this summer can you?
I know, Qtt. My chances are equally slim.

I'm guessing you meant "manager" rather than "player" in your last sentence?

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Re: Is Dyche overstepping the mark now?

Post by Quickenthetempo » Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:09 am

BurnleyFC wrote:
Sat Sep 26, 2020 9:58 am
Ben Chilwell, but I take your point.
Forgot about him

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